I spent this past Saturday afternoon at Jay Wolfe's home shop in Florida
checking out different Heritage models and, as a result, putting
together an order for a Sweet 16. I am not a rich jet-set guy but I
found a super cheapo fare from Philly to West Palm Beach and went down
there overnight. I was quite certain I wanted a Heritage after playing
a few at guitar shows and reading the rmmgj chat so, for me, this was
money well spent vs. spending 2-3 G's on a guitar over the phone. I
really enjoyed meeting Jay, trying a number of guitars and hearing all
the options available.
I wanted a carved spruce top 16" and Jay had several waiting for me to
try. The 575's were in the $2000-2200 range as I recall (cheaper with
maple tops). I tried both maple and mahogany bodies and found both to
be really fat and warm, even with the small body size. The new mahogany
guitars sounded a tad better acoustically than the new maple 575's
(emphasize NEW -- not played-in yet) but, for my taste, I preferred the
plugged-in tone (through a Holland tube amp) of the maple bodies. I
found maple to give a little more definition for chord-melody, my
preferred style. YMMV. I played a couple 16's that Jay had for sale,
as well as his own 13-yr-old Sweet 16, and loved 'em all. Jay's 16 has
aged gracefully and really sounded nice acoustically, even with
flatwounds, as well as through the amp. He's got a near-mint used 16
for sale that has a top-mounted 'bucker and vol/tone controls on the
pickguard if you're interested.
I opted for a Sweet 16 with a top-mounted HRW 'bucker with vol/tone
controls on the body. The 575's were nearly identical in feel and sound
to the Sweet 16 but I wanted a little more glitz than the 575's have. I
started adding in some cosmetic upgrades to a 575 and pretty soon I was
in the price range of buying a Sweet 16 where many of the features I
wanted were standard (ebony board, split block inlays, bound f-holes).
I also added an ebony pickguard and ebony tuner buttons. I chose a
natural finish top which adds about $300 to the price. The total was
about $3000, but as you can see I could have spent significantly less
for essentially the same guitar. A very good deal for all solid woods,
IMHO. It'll be 3 months or so before I get it and Jay will do a set-up
check before it ships to me. I'll post a report with an A/B compared to
my ES165.
While there I got to play the "Rhythm Eagle" that Jay had the naming
contest for. It is very retro and sounds huge -- very woody/chunky for
Freddy Green-type playing. The 18" lower bout reminds me of photos I've
seen of old Strombergs. A very cool axe. Jay also kindly brought out
his 1940 D'Angelico Excel that he purchased from the widow of the
original owner. The guitar is pretty play-worn and was de-tuned at the
moment, but it was a thrill for me to hold this old soldier that
obviously was well loved. For me, it was like being a kid in a candy
store! Finally, if you're in Jupiter and like Thai food, try the Sala
Thai restaurant on Indiantown Rd. Really good. I tend to look for
ethnic restaurants when I travel because in Delaware where I live, the
restaurants span the whole ethnic range from southern Italian to central
Italian.
Norm
>Thai restaurant on Indiantown Rd. Really good. I tend to look for
>ethnic restaurants when I travel because in Delaware where I live, the
>restaurants span the whole ethnic range from southern Italian to central
>Italian.
You're suggesting that they span the entire culinary gamut from A to
B?
Yup. Three pizza joints per block in northern DE where I live. Mostly
very good though. Still hard to find cannoli for dessert. Luckily DE
is only 15 miles wide so it isn't too hard to get to other places to eat.
--
Norman J. Karin, Ph.D.
Associate Professor and Graduate Program Director
Biological Sciences
328 Wolf Hall
University of Delaware
Newark, DE 19716
T: 302-831-2290
F: 302-831-2281
URL: http://www.udel.edu/bio/people/faculty/nkarin.html
I'm stocking up the Trappiste waiting for delivery...
Norm
Regards,
Margaret
"Norman Karin" <nka...@udel.edu> wrote in message
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> This is a little on the long side...
<snip>
> Please tell me that Heritage
> guitars are not like this stinker.
I think I already did: the seven (3 Sweet 16s, 3 575s and the Rhythm
Eagle) that I played this weekend were delightful. I would be happy
with any of 'em. I think even a great guitar can be made lousy with a
bad set up. Jay Wolfe says he will re-check the factory setup before he
sends it to me.
NJK
"Margaret Wilson" <twok...@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
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I have not played the Epi JPE III. To be fair, I compared the Heritage
Millenium SAE to the Epiphone AlleyKat, which is another small-bodied
guitar. The ~$400 AlleyKat blew away the Heritage. I was really bummed,
because I was thinking I might custom-order one with an ebony fretboard and
fancy sunburst. Not now....
Regards,
Margaret
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Clif Kuplen
All I know is, I've owned three Heritages and personally been acquanted with
about five more and all have been excellent. All but two came from Jay
Wolfe. Like all brands (Epi, Gibson, Ibanez, Benedetto) I've seen poor
examples at shows and at inferior dealers. You never know what's gone on in
a guitar's life and, after all, they're only made of wood, so things can and
do go wrong over time.
A very nice used Heritage 575 came into Mars Music a couple of years ago. I
looked at it and played it and found it to be excellent in all respects
EXCEPT they were asking $2000. I pointed out that I could buy a new one for
considerably less than their asking price, but they refused to budge. Over
the following months I played it two or three times more. Each time it
deteriorated badly. Finally, at the Mars bankruptcy sale, it was down to
$1200 BUT the end-pin had been pulled loose, the metal adjusters on the
bridge had been bent and bridge had been set way too low. It was probably
worth $600 by then. Elderly is probably not this bad, BUT I still worry
about someone selling a brand that they're not really familiar with or
interested in. Jay Wolfe sells more than 500 Heritage guitars annually. I
think he's the best bet for anyone seeking a fine Heritage.
Best regards,
Dave
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NJK
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Dave, if I ever felt worthy of owning a higher-end archtop I would
certainly go with Jay.. For me, my days of playing out are no more
so these fine so called 'boutique guitars' are just too high for me so
I muddle around with the semi'cheapies (if you will).. I have found
around $600' to be limit to spend anymore, & being a lefty makes
this even harder to stay within this $price$ range at times.. ..
cheers thom_j.
Many have also commented on the fact that Gibsons also can be uneven;
the same caveats apply: purchase from a good dealer.
I know that many say you need to try the guitar before you buy, but
for many that isn't possible; there are no dealers. Guys like Jay,
Jeff or Bill Fender will offer a 48 hr return privilege.
Nick
Jay Wolfe, www.wolfeguitars.com
Most definitely not.
Fine instruments, no question. May not be your "flavor", but fine
instruments nonetheless.
--
Geordie F.O. Kelly
Guitarist/Jazz Improvisation Instructor
Armed Forces School of Music
http://heritageguitar.com/artists/
"Margaret Wilson" <twok...@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
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Anyway, being a small person with small hands, I prefer a small-bodied
guitar. But there are not very many small-bodied jazz guitars out there ...
and even fewer with an ebony fretboard and short scale. Perhaps the
Millenium line is worth another look. The Standard Ultra is the one that
really had my interest before I played that sad SAE. :-)
Regards,
Margaret
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Regards,
Margaret
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BTW, that's a very sad story about the 575 at Mars Music. :-(
Regards,
Margaret
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Regards,
Margaret
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jd
"Margaret Wilson" <twok...@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
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I have bought 70%+ of my gear, sight unseen or having tried it in a store
and bought it from somewhere else.
I am doing the same with my 175. Though I've played one in a store, that
was over 2 years ago. I'm getting a full 5 day trial and it is guaranteed
to be factory fresh - Gibbie just doesn't keep the Steve Howe model in
stock and, as a result, I've got a 8-12 week wait.
Around here, I'm like you - almost need a plane ride to test drive one as
175's are just too specialized and expensive to be stocked locally.
Greg
This is very true. I have found that my guitar sounded amazing after I got it
profesionally setup. The only problem is that the really good luthiers are
hard to come by and you have to search and search to find them.
Jon Butler
I'm with Margaret on the lefty-ambi but play righty guitar.
You gotta start thattaway playin tho', it's tough to change
over. A friend of mine tried changing to righty after playing
lefty for 20 years or so, and was doing well, but she developed
a stutter at the same time so changed back to lefty and it went
away. go figger. I know I was pushed to do lots of things righty
as a kid, and stuttered until I was in my twenties when I started
singing and playing out.
dj -
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> Aside: I was at a convention and a trio was playing and I heard this
> FAT guitar - sounded great. Afterward, I went and spoke to the
> guitarist, nice guy, and he was playing a Samick.
Actually the newer Samick big boxes sound freakin' excellent thru a
FEnder Twin REverb RI - very fat round sound and that outta the box.
Greg
This actually surprises me, even though I've never dealt with Elderly.
Generally, the dealers that advertise in the same places as Elderly spend
the small effort required to present their wares in the best light. When I
go in a store and find good guitars in this condition, I tend to leave. I'd
certainly think twice before putting anything on consignment at Elderly.
(Legato and Hale are at the top of that list for me).
Dave
NJK
Regards,
Margaret
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Please tell me that Heritage
> guitars are not like this stinker.
>
Both Mimi Fox and Calvin Keys were using Heritage guitars (unless my
eyes are mistaken) at the San Jose Jazz Festival. See the pictures on
my web pages. Nothing wrong with their sound and you can bet they
wouldn't play some dog of a guitar ;-) Of course I'm still not sold on
the Heritage "look".
Mike
--
Mike Ellenberger
Listen to some soundclips at
http://home.att.net/~grumpmeister/MikesJazzPage.html
http://www.soundclick.com/traveler
I took possession of my Standard Ultra in January of this year and
wrote a brief review of it a few weeks later. I bought it from Jay (it
had been on display at the NAMM show).
It is an absolutely wonderful guitar. Everyone who has played it loves
it. Smaller body (kind of Heritage's version of the Gibson Pat
Martino). All solid woods, ebony, etc. The only thing I wish it had
was a pickguard, but I'm trying to break the habi tof planting my
littel finger on it, so that is good.
I had 3 different archtops in the prior 3 years (Cort, Gibson and
Hofner) and this is the only guitar that every time I pick it up and
think "I love this thing."
When I first contacted Jay I told him what I was looking for and the
first thing he said was "I have a Standard Ultra and I think that is
exactly what you're looking for." I spent the next three weeks or so
exchanging emails with him, exploring all the other guitars (thin
575s, Roy Clarks, etc) and finally came back to the Standard Ultra,
that he had recommended in the beginning!
I'm playing it through a Black Face Bandmaster Head into a RE T-8
cabinet and the tone is phenomenal (I have a 12AT7 in the pre section
of the head and it gives me more headroom).
Excellent guitar and great guy to deal with. While talking with Jay
and pushed Jeff Hale to start carrying Heritages.
Jeff met up with Jay at NAMM and became a Heritage dealer as well.
Jeff said the Jay was extremely helpful; that is the great thing about
the jazz community; here are two "competitors" helping eachother out.
I know that you can put Bill Fender in the same category.
Life is good.
Nick
I've played that exact Heritage (I get to Lansing a couple of times a
year, visiting family). I didn't like it either.
On the other hand, I have a Sweet 16 that I like very much, that I've
had for 8 years or so. And before I bought that, I had played a
couple of Johnny Smiths that I liked very well.
For me, I think it was the design of the Millenium guitar, rather than
the construction of that particular guitar, that I didn't like. I
didn't care for the balance or the size. As an Enhanced Volume
Individual (EVI) I seem to prefer larger-bodied guitars.
Moreover, that guitar has been at Elderly for ages - it's all covered
with guitar player grease by now ... yuck.
Hi,
I bought a Heritage H-575 Custom sight unseen from a music dealer
online after playing a Heritage 535 (read ES-335) & liking it. The 575
was a used 2002 that I bought in 2002, carved maple top back & sides,
natural finish. Wonderful guitar. Beautiful guitar. The owner had
traded it in for a Strat (each to their own).
Great neck, fine fret job. Dealer set up. I replaced the tune-a-matic
bridge w/ an ebony Heritage bridge & that helped. I have a bennedetto
pickup I am going to put on. Sounds a little chunky for me right now.
Acoustically the 575 isn't much at all - the best you can say is that
it is quiet, nice for practice when people are sleeping
But then I saw a 1993 Heritage Golden Eagle spruce top w/ mahogany
back & sides on Ebay. I couldn't help myself!!!! A sunburst model not
as beautiful as the 575.
This one had been unloved for awhile. Crappy strings and someone had
fixed the bridge w/ double sided tape at too short a length so sharp
at 12th fret.
That was an hour fix but after that, adjusting the truss rod, & new TI
strings on it, man it is sweet and the intonation is true all the way
up. Played acoustic or electric (thru an Evans AE 100) it is very
nice. First string is a little weak amplified, but if I dial the
treble up to about 4 on the amp which I like anyway, it is almost as
strong as the other strings. This one will be with me forever.
If I sell one it will be the 575, but of course I haven't tried the
benne pickup yet.
Kevin Coffey
You'll probably need to have a pro setup done on the Gibbie when you
get it. I know EM Shorts says they'll do a setup for you, but on all
the guitars I've gotten from them, I always ended up bringing them to
my luthier anyways who is willing to spend much more time and
attention to detail, and it makes a lot of difference. It's also a
good idea to have your luthier check for any structural issues while
you can still send the guitar back, regardless of brand. I had a
friend who bought a nylon string Yamaha from GC and our luthier found
a major problem with the neck joint that my buddy would not have
picked up on. But anyways, none of the guitars I received from EM
Shorts were actually setup to the action I like, but I always buy
under the assumption that a good setup will be required.
Greg D <oas...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<Xns93DCEC83FCA...@68.1.17.6>...
> Hey Greg,
>
> You'll probably need to have a pro setup done on the Gibbie when you
> get it. I know EM Shorts says they'll do a setup for you, but on all
> the guitars I've gotten from them, I always ended up bringing them to
> my luthier
Crap... I was hoping that they were men of their word. If it comes in
sloppy and I don't fall immediately in love with it, it'll go back. I
don't need one that bad.
>anyways who is willing to spend much more time and
> attention to detail, and it makes a lot of difference. It's also a
> good idea to have your luthier check for any structural issues while
> you can still send the guitar back, regardless of brand.
Excellent idea.
> I had a
> friend who bought a nylon string Yamaha from GC and our luthier found
> a major problem with the neck joint that my buddy would not have
> picked up on. But anyways, none of the guitars I received from EM
> Shorts were actually setup to the action I like, but I always buy
> under the assumption that a good setup will be required.
Me, too, but they guranteed me... thanks for the heads up, Larry. I will
be all the more vigilant now.
Greg
Regards,
Margaret
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Margaret
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