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Norman Karin

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Aug 19, 2003, 9:25:29 AM8/19/03
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This is a little on the long side...

I spent this past Saturday afternoon at Jay Wolfe's home shop in Florida
checking out different Heritage models and, as a result, putting
together an order for a Sweet 16. I am not a rich jet-set guy but I
found a super cheapo fare from Philly to West Palm Beach and went down
there overnight. I was quite certain I wanted a Heritage after playing
a few at guitar shows and reading the rmmgj chat so, for me, this was
money well spent vs. spending 2-3 G's on a guitar over the phone. I
really enjoyed meeting Jay, trying a number of guitars and hearing all
the options available.

I wanted a carved spruce top 16" and Jay had several waiting for me to
try. The 575's were in the $2000-2200 range as I recall (cheaper with
maple tops). I tried both maple and mahogany bodies and found both to
be really fat and warm, even with the small body size. The new mahogany
guitars sounded a tad better acoustically than the new maple 575's
(emphasize NEW -- not played-in yet) but, for my taste, I preferred the
plugged-in tone (through a Holland tube amp) of the maple bodies. I
found maple to give a little more definition for chord-melody, my
preferred style. YMMV. I played a couple 16's that Jay had for sale,
as well as his own 13-yr-old Sweet 16, and loved 'em all. Jay's 16 has
aged gracefully and really sounded nice acoustically, even with
flatwounds, as well as through the amp. He's got a near-mint used 16
for sale that has a top-mounted 'bucker and vol/tone controls on the
pickguard if you're interested.

I opted for a Sweet 16 with a top-mounted HRW 'bucker with vol/tone
controls on the body. The 575's were nearly identical in feel and sound
to the Sweet 16 but I wanted a little more glitz than the 575's have. I
started adding in some cosmetic upgrades to a 575 and pretty soon I was
in the price range of buying a Sweet 16 where many of the features I
wanted were standard (ebony board, split block inlays, bound f-holes).
I also added an ebony pickguard and ebony tuner buttons. I chose a
natural finish top which adds about $300 to the price. The total was
about $3000, but as you can see I could have spent significantly less
for essentially the same guitar. A very good deal for all solid woods,
IMHO. It'll be 3 months or so before I get it and Jay will do a set-up
check before it ships to me. I'll post a report with an A/B compared to
my ES165.

While there I got to play the "Rhythm Eagle" that Jay had the naming
contest for. It is very retro and sounds huge -- very woody/chunky for
Freddy Green-type playing. The 18" lower bout reminds me of photos I've
seen of old Strombergs. A very cool axe. Jay also kindly brought out
his 1940 D'Angelico Excel that he purchased from the widow of the
original owner. The guitar is pretty play-worn and was de-tuned at the
moment, but it was a thrill for me to hold this old soldier that
obviously was well loved. For me, it was like being a kid in a candy
store! Finally, if you're in Jupiter and like Thai food, try the Sala
Thai restaurant on Indiantown Rd. Really good. I tend to look for
ethnic restaurants when I travel because in Delaware where I live, the
restaurants span the whole ethnic range from southern Italian to central
Italian.

Norm

Max Leggett

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Aug 19, 2003, 11:23:07 AM8/19/03
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:25:29 -0400, Norman Karin <nka...@udel.edu>
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>Thai restaurant on Indiantown Rd. Really good. I tend to look for
>ethnic restaurants when I travel because in Delaware where I live, the
>restaurants span the whole ethnic range from southern Italian to central
>Italian.

You're suggesting that they span the entire culinary gamut from A to
B?

Norman Karin

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Aug 19, 2003, 11:44:34 AM8/19/03
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Yup. Three pizza joints per block in northern DE where I live. Mostly
very good though. Still hard to find cannoli for dessert. Luckily DE
is only 15 miles wide so it isn't too hard to get to other places to eat.

--
Norman J. Karin, Ph.D.
Associate Professor and Graduate Program Director
Biological Sciences
328 Wolf Hall
University of Delaware
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Norman Karin

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Aug 19, 2003, 11:48:53 AM8/19/03
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BTW Max, I got the Kenny Burrell pickguard too. It is shaped like
Mickey Mouse's head -- you'll love it. Just kidding. It doesn't have
the "Heritage Point" and is more classical looking. Jay says he like's
'em because he once tore his shirt on the point of his Sweet 16 pickguard.

I'm stocking up the Trappiste waiting for delivery...

Norm

Margaret Wilson

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Aug 19, 2003, 12:09:38 PM8/19/03
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You know, I've heard that while Heritage guitars tend to be very good
instruments (and a very good value), their quality control is spotty. I've
only played one Heritage, a Millenium SAE that has sat in the racks at
Elderly for a very long time. I did not find it terribly attractive, as it
is this pinkish faded red color. But I picked it up and played it, because
I wanted to see how a Heritage plays. Perhaps this is one of those
"not-so-good" Heritages, but I didn't like it's feel as well as the cheapo
Epiphone sitting next to it. I was very disappointed -- so disappointed in
fact, that I didn't bother to plug it in. Please tell me that Heritage
guitars are not like this stinker.

Regards,

Margaret

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> This is a little on the long side...

<snip>


Norman Karin

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Aug 19, 2003, 1:12:40 PM8/19/03
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Margaret Wilson wrote:

> Please tell me that Heritage
> guitars are not like this stinker.

I think I already did: the seven (3 Sweet 16s, 3 575s and the Rhythm
Eagle) that I played this weekend were delightful. I would be happy
with any of 'em. I think even a great guitar can be made lousy with a
bad set up. Jay Wolfe says he will re-check the factory setup before he
sends it to me.

NJK

thom_j.

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Aug 19, 2003, 1:23:01 PM8/19/03
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Margaret, I know you have a Samick archtop, & I would like to
know if you ever played an Epi Joe Pass Emperor II? If so how
do you size up the Epi against your Samick? tia.. thom_j.

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Margaret Wilson

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Aug 19, 2003, 1:56:25 PM8/19/03
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Hi Thom,

I have not played the Epi JPE III. To be fair, I compared the Heritage
Millenium SAE to the Epiphone AlleyKat, which is another small-bodied
guitar. The ~$400 AlleyKat blew away the Heritage. I was really bummed,
because I was thinking I might custom-order one with an ebony fretboard and
fancy sunburst. Not now....

Regards,

Margaret

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Jurupari

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Aug 19, 2003, 4:07:14 PM8/19/03
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I played a bunch of heritages and didn't like a one of them. I played a cheapo
Aslin-Dane knockoff of a 175 in the same store and liked it much better. I
don't even know why I didn't like them but didn't feel comfortable with any of
them.

Clif Kuplen


David C. Stephens

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Aug 19, 2003, 4:14:51 PM8/19/03
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The Heritage you tried seems to have problems. Once any guitar has been
hanging a long while, it's hard to know if the problems are from the
manufacturer or the retailer. You'd think that Elderly would know enough to
show each instrument in its best light, but that's apparently may not the
case here.

All I know is, I've owned three Heritages and personally been acquanted with
about five more and all have been excellent. All but two came from Jay
Wolfe. Like all brands (Epi, Gibson, Ibanez, Benedetto) I've seen poor
examples at shows and at inferior dealers. You never know what's gone on in
a guitar's life and, after all, they're only made of wood, so things can and
do go wrong over time.

A very nice used Heritage 575 came into Mars Music a couple of years ago. I
looked at it and played it and found it to be excellent in all respects
EXCEPT they were asking $2000. I pointed out that I could buy a new one for
considerably less than their asking price, but they refused to budge. Over
the following months I played it two or three times more. Each time it
deteriorated badly. Finally, at the Mars bankruptcy sale, it was down to
$1200 BUT the end-pin had been pulled loose, the metal adjusters on the
bridge had been bent and bridge had been set way too low. It was probably
worth $600 by then. Elderly is probably not this bad, BUT I still worry
about someone selling a brand that they're not really familiar with or
interested in. Jay Wolfe sells more than 500 Heritage guitars annually. I
think he's the best bet for anyone seeking a fine Heritage.

Best regards,

Dave

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Norman Karin

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Aug 19, 2003, 4:22:09 PM8/19/03
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That's why there's more than one guitar company!

NJK

thom_j.

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Aug 19, 2003, 5:14:43 PM8/19/03
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Thanx Margaret.. I am always at a disadvantage to you "righties"
as I just cant walk into any guitar store and play anything I want!
We have tons of stores in my area but 'lefty-guitars' are few and
far between unless I go about 90+miles North to Mandolin Bros.
Again thank you for the info.. cheers thom_j.

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thom_j.

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Aug 19, 2003, 5:21:41 PM8/19/03
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Clif, I just played a 'righty' Carlo Robelli Jazz PM30SC Archtop at my
local SamAsh about 3weeks ago that amazed me! It was OnSale for a
wopping $329.99.. Sadly they dont make lefties! The 500 series were
real nice too for a $599+ figure.. It is a pain being a lefty
fretter..phew..
cheers thom_j.

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thom_j.

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Aug 19, 2003, 5:31:09 PM8/19/03
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"David C. Stephens" wrote:
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> interested in. Jay Wolfe sells more than 500 Heritage guitars annually. I
> think he's the best bet for anyone seeking a fine Heritage.
> Best regards,
> Dave

Dave, if I ever felt worthy of owning a higher-end archtop I would
certainly go with Jay.. For me, my days of playing out are no more
so these fine so called 'boutique guitars' are just too high for me so
I muddle around with the semi'cheapies (if you will).. I have found
around $600' to be limit to spend anymore, & being a lefty makes
this even harder to stay within this $price$ range at times.. ..
cheers thom_j.


Nick Carver

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Aug 19, 2003, 5:46:18 PM8/19/03
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I'm guessing that a fair amount of the negative comments on Heritage
come from people who bought guitars that originated from Ed Roman. I
know (having bought a guitar from Jay Wolfe) that reputable dealers
(Jay Wolfe and Jeff Hale) make sure the guitars are set up. Jeff Hale
typically has his guitars set up by luthier Denny Rauen (even his
Samicks!).

Many have also commented on the fact that Gibsons also can be uneven;
the same caveats apply: purchase from a good dealer.

I know that many say you need to try the guitar before you buy, but
for many that isn't possible; there are no dealers. Guys like Jay,
Jeff or Bill Fender will offer a 48 hr return privilege.

Nick

Jay Wolfe

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Aug 19, 2003, 6:25:27 PM8/19/03
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To be fair Margaret, you did say that the Heritage you played has been
somewhat neglected. I recently played a $20,000 hand made archtop
from one of the world's most celebrated Luthiers, and it played "so
poorly" that I couldn't believe that it's "keeper" was content to let
it remain in such poor playing condition. By the same token- I'm
pretty sure that "sad" SAE you tried didn't leave the Heritage shop in
such poor condition. Or maybe it did! They do sell seconds.
Couple thing you may or may not know- Just for the sake of
clarification. The Heritage model S.A.E. has a hybrid "acoustic"
guitar bridge, that- in my opinion- rather noticeably diminishes it's
electric tone. I don't stock nor recommend that model for that reason.
They make the same lovely guitar without that device- model 158. I've
sold those to some notable players, and have received excellent
reviews. Familiar with Wolfgang Muthspiel? I'm visiting Charlotte, NC
this weekend for a Guitar Show, and will make a point to hear a great
player named Michael Queen- who absolutely "loves" his H158 Heritage.
He has many guitars, but tells me that the 158 is his "perfect"
guitar.
Also the S.A.E & it's better sounding sibling- the 158, are the
only Heritage Millennium versions that have a laminated top & back.
The others are all carved & solid. I'll be glad to give you Mike
Queen's e-mail if you would like to discuss it with a Jazz player,
with years of experience & lot's-O-guitars.
Also I setup, sell & deliver over 600 Heritage guitars a year. My
e-mail file is "choked" with very, very positive feedback from
players. The remarks I sometimes read on this NG about Heritage's
supposedly "spotty" quality control is almost entirely echo's from a
few disgruntled people that were most likely mistreated by an
incompetent dealer, or had an encounter with a guitar in need of some
attention, or just a guitar that has some inherent problems. Every
brand has these. I absolutely know, without any doubt whatsoever, that
this persistant rumor is not based in fact, and is mostly internet
myth. Fortunately- for every neg. remark, which always seem to
eminate from the same 2 or 3 sources, there are several hundred very
satisfied Heritage owners. Many of whom come back for more & more of
that "spotty" QC. Glutton's for punishment? I don't think so. I have a
very large collection of many of the world's most revered archtops. My
Heritage guitars are as as good, and in "most" cases far superior to
these icons.
I very rarely read......"man, Heritage gets so much positive
feedback about their superb hand made guitars............... must be
somthing to it.
Not trying to pick a fight here. Just trying to clear up a few things.
=:>)Flame suit on....

Jay Wolfe, www.wolfeguitars.com

Geordie F.O. Kelly

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Aug 19, 2003, 6:45:55 PM8/19/03
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Please tell me that Heritage
guitars are not like this stinker.

Most definitely not.
Fine instruments, no question. May not be your "flavor", but fine
instruments nonetheless.
--
Geordie F.O. Kelly
Guitarist/Jazz Improvisation Instructor
Armed Forces School of Music
http://heritageguitar.com/artists/

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Margaret Wilson

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Aug 19, 2003, 9:20:57 PM8/19/03
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Thanks for your educational response, Jay. I have no desire to engage in a
flame war, so you can take off that flame suit. :-) It certainly was not
my intention to spread a rumor about Heritage's supposed spotty quality
control. Rather it was my hope to get some feedback from Heritage lovers as
well as those who don't appreciate them. After all, I've only been able to
play this one guitar, so I had no way of knowing how it compares to the rest
of the Heritage line, or even to other guitars of this same model. As I
said in my original post, I was quite shocked at how awful this lone guitar
was, especially after having heard so many good things about Heritage
guitars.

Anyway, being a small person with small hands, I prefer a small-bodied
guitar. But there are not very many small-bodied jazz guitars out there ...
and even fewer with an ebony fretboard and short scale. Perhaps the
Millenium line is worth another look. The Standard Ultra is the one that
really had my interest before I played that sad SAE. :-)

Regards,

Margaret

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Margaret Wilson

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Aug 19, 2003, 9:22:00 PM8/19/03
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Well actually Thom, I'm ambidextrous but play right-handed guitar. (Says
Margaret while "mousing" with her left hand.) ;-)

Regards,

Margaret


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Margaret Wilson

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Aug 19, 2003, 9:25:53 PM8/19/03
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Yes, I have to say I was shocked that Elderly had not done a better job of
keeping this guitar "up to snuff." I played a Hamer Studio Custom a couple
weeks ago (at Elderly), and it was terribly dusty and out of tune. They
were "blowing it out" at a reduced price. Fortunately the guitar played
well. At Elderly most of their guitars are well kept. But I occasionally
happen upon a few that have been shockingly neglected. Sad but true.

BTW, that's a very sad story about the 575 at Mars Music. :-(

Regards,

Margaret


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Margaret Wilson

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Aug 19, 2003, 9:31:36 PM8/19/03
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I bought my Samick RL4 sight unseen, but it was only ~$600, and I did have
the option of returning it. Fortunately it turned out to be a surprisingly
nice guitar at a bargain price. It still needed a good setup, for which I
paid $40, money well spent IMNSHO. To buy a high-quality jazz guitar,
something I will ultimately do, I'd have to either get on a plane or have a
guitar shipped to me on trial.

Regards,

Margaret

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thom_j.

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Aug 19, 2003, 11:12:10 PM8/19/03
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Not to get lenghtly but I do many things left-handed, and many right
but I am mostly a lefty.. Especially the geetar... I have no idea whats
the deciding factor of this anomaly but I guess I'm just bass awkards?
cheers .j_moht.

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JD

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As with all guitars, the magic is in the setup. A great luthier can
transform a guitar. My Heritage was slightly questionable in the beginning,
but a session with a great luthier (Fazio's Music Shop, Scott) transformed
it to a complete dream.

jd


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Greg D

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Aug 19, 2003, 11:15:04 PM8/19/03
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Margaret,

I have bought 70%+ of my gear, sight unseen or having tried it in a store
and bought it from somewhere else.

I am doing the same with my 175. Though I've played one in a store, that
was over 2 years ago. I'm getting a full 5 day trial and it is guaranteed
to be factory fresh - Gibbie just doesn't keep the Steve Howe model in
stock and, as a result, I've got a 8-12 week wait.

Around here, I'm like you - almost need a plane ride to test drive one as
175's are just too specialized and expensive to be stocked locally.

Greg

DButler508

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Aug 19, 2003, 11:36:54 PM8/19/03
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>As with all guitars, the magic is in the setup. A great luthier can
>transform a guitar. My Heritage was slightly questionable in the beginning,
>but a session with a great luthier (Fazio's Music Shop, Scott) transformed
>it to a complete dream.
>
>jd
>

This is very true. I have found that my guitar sounded amazing after I got it
profesionally setup. The only problem is that the really good luthiers are
hard to come by and you have to search and search to find them.

Jon Butler

don judy

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Aug 20, 2003, 12:10:58 AM8/20/03
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Hey Teejay,

I'm with Margaret on the lefty-ambi but play righty guitar.
You gotta start thattaway playin tho', it's tough to change
over. A friend of mine tried changing to righty after playing
lefty for 20 years or so, and was doing well, but she developed
a stutter at the same time so changed back to lefty and it went
away. go figger. I know I was pushed to do lots of things righty
as a kid, and stuttered until I was in my twenties when I started
singing and playing out.

dj -

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Vince McKnight

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Aug 20, 2003, 4:16:29 AM8/20/03
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Aside: I was at a convention and a trio was playing and I heard this FAT
guitar - sounded great. Afterward, I went and spoke to the guitarist, nice
guy, and he was playing a Samick.


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Greg D

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Vince,

> Aside: I was at a convention and a trio was playing and I heard this
> FAT guitar - sounded great. Afterward, I went and spoke to the
> guitarist, nice guy, and he was playing a Samick.

Actually the newer Samick big boxes sound freakin' excellent thru a
FEnder Twin REverb RI - very fat round sound and that outta the box.

Greg

David C. Stephens

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> Yes, I have to say I was shocked that Elderly had not done a better job of
> keeping this guitar "up to snuff." I played a Hamer Studio Custom a
couple
> weeks ago (at Elderly), and it was terribly dusty and out of tune. They
> were "blowing it out" at a reduced price. Fortunately the guitar played
> well. At Elderly most of their guitars are well kept. But I occasionally
> happen upon a few that have been shockingly neglected. Sad but true.

This actually surprises me, even though I've never dealt with Elderly.
Generally, the dealers that advertise in the same places as Elderly spend
the small effort required to present their wares in the best light. When I
go in a store and find good guitars in this condition, I tend to leave. I'd
certainly think twice before putting anything on consignment at Elderly.
(Legato and Hale are at the top of that list for me).

Dave


Norman Karin

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I ordered a used Heritage Golden Eagle from Elderly several years ago
that was listed in the catalog as "mint condition" and had a $3000 price
tag. When it arrived I found a small crack in the top near the
pickguard. It was pretty easy to miss because it just looked like wood
grain at first inspection. The crack had some grime in it, indicating
that it didn't occur during shipping. I sent it back for a full refund
with no problem. However, the guitar re-appeared in the Elderly catalog
at the same price, still listed as "mint."

NJK

Margaret Wilson

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Aug 20, 2003, 11:25:56 AM8/20/03
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Elderly tends to be a really good place. Their guitar techs are excellent,
as I've had them work on several guitars over the years, so I can comment
from experience here. The people on staff are pretty helpful and pleasant,
too. But I don't know of anyone on staff who's a jazz guitarist. :-( A
couple years ago I did put an instrument on consignment with them -- a
beautiful $2700 Breedlove nylon string that I'd hardly played in the year
I'd owned it. They took several very good photos of it and put it up on
their web site. Fortunately the guitar sold in four days, and I received my
"cut" by check a couple weeks later. But seeing these few neglected
instruments lately, I'd be hesitant to put a nice instrument on consignment
now, too.

Regards,

Margaret

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Michael Ellenberger

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Aug 20, 2003, 12:50:54 PM8/20/03
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Margaret Wilson wrote:
SNIP

Please tell me that Heritage
> guitars are not like this stinker.
>

Both Mimi Fox and Calvin Keys were using Heritage guitars (unless my
eyes are mistaken) at the San Jose Jazz Festival. See the pictures on
my web pages. Nothing wrong with their sound and you can bet they
wouldn't play some dog of a guitar ;-) Of course I'm still not sold on
the Heritage "look".

Mike

--


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Nick Carver

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Margaret,

I took possession of my Standard Ultra in January of this year and
wrote a brief review of it a few weeks later. I bought it from Jay (it
had been on display at the NAMM show).

It is an absolutely wonderful guitar. Everyone who has played it loves
it. Smaller body (kind of Heritage's version of the Gibson Pat
Martino). All solid woods, ebony, etc. The only thing I wish it had
was a pickguard, but I'm trying to break the habi tof planting my
littel finger on it, so that is good.

I had 3 different archtops in the prior 3 years (Cort, Gibson and
Hofner) and this is the only guitar that every time I pick it up and
think "I love this thing."

When I first contacted Jay I told him what I was looking for and the
first thing he said was "I have a Standard Ultra and I think that is
exactly what you're looking for." I spent the next three weeks or so
exchanging emails with him, exploring all the other guitars (thin
575s, Roy Clarks, etc) and finally came back to the Standard Ultra,
that he had recommended in the beginning!

I'm playing it through a Black Face Bandmaster Head into a RE T-8
cabinet and the tone is phenomenal (I have a 12AT7 in the pre section
of the head and it gives me more headroom).

Excellent guitar and great guy to deal with. While talking with Jay
and pushed Jeff Hale to start carrying Heritages.

Jeff met up with Jay at NAMM and became a Heritage dealer as well.
Jeff said the Jay was extremely helpful; that is the great thing about
the jazz community; here are two "competitors" helping eachother out.
I know that you can put Bill Fender in the same category.

Life is good.

Nick

Dennis O'Neill

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"Margaret Wilson" <twok...@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message news:<bhti4...@enews2.newsguy.com>...

> You know, I've heard that while Heritage guitars tend to be very good
> instruments (and a very good value), their quality control is spotty. I've
> only played one Heritage, a Millenium SAE that has sat in the racks at
> Elderly for a very long time. ...

I've played that exact Heritage (I get to Lansing a couple of times a
year, visiting family). I didn't like it either.

On the other hand, I have a Sweet 16 that I like very much, that I've
had for 8 years or so. And before I bought that, I had played a
couple of Johnny Smiths that I liked very well.

For me, I think it was the design of the Millenium guitar, rather than
the construction of that particular guitar, that I didn't like. I
didn't care for the balance or the size. As an Enhanced Volume
Individual (EVI) I seem to prefer larger-bodied guitars.

Moreover, that guitar has been at Elderly for ages - it's all covered
with guitar player grease by now ... yuck.

kevin coffey

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"JD" <donov...@charter.net> wrote in message news:<vk5ppno...@corp.supernews.com>...

Hi,

I bought a Heritage H-575 Custom sight unseen from a music dealer
online after playing a Heritage 535 (read ES-335) & liking it. The 575
was a used 2002 that I bought in 2002, carved maple top back & sides,
natural finish. Wonderful guitar. Beautiful guitar. The owner had
traded it in for a Strat (each to their own).
Great neck, fine fret job. Dealer set up. I replaced the tune-a-matic
bridge w/ an ebony Heritage bridge & that helped. I have a bennedetto
pickup I am going to put on. Sounds a little chunky for me right now.

Acoustically the 575 isn't much at all - the best you can say is that
it is quiet, nice for practice when people are sleeping

But then I saw a 1993 Heritage Golden Eagle spruce top w/ mahogany
back & sides on Ebay. I couldn't help myself!!!! A sunburst model not
as beautiful as the 575.
This one had been unloved for awhile. Crappy strings and someone had
fixed the bridge w/ double sided tape at too short a length so sharp
at 12th fret.
That was an hour fix but after that, adjusting the truss rod, & new TI
strings on it, man it is sweet and the intonation is true all the way
up. Played acoustic or electric (thru an Evans AE 100) it is very
nice. First string is a little weak amplified, but if I dial the
treble up to about 4 on the amp which I like anyway, it is almost as
strong as the other strings. This one will be with me forever.

If I sell one it will be the 575, but of course I haven't tried the
benne pickup yet.

Kevin Coffey

don judy

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Aug 22, 2003, 1:07:19 AM8/22/03
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I can attest to getting a nice guitar from Jeff Hale, set up
beautifully. The guitar played well, looked perfect, sounded
great throu

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LarryV

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Aug 22, 2003, 8:52:26 AM8/22/03
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Hey Greg,

You'll probably need to have a pro setup done on the Gibbie when you
get it. I know EM Shorts says they'll do a setup for you, but on all
the guitars I've gotten from them, I always ended up bringing them to
my luthier anyways who is willing to spend much more time and
attention to detail, and it makes a lot of difference. It's also a
good idea to have your luthier check for any structural issues while
you can still send the guitar back, regardless of brand. I had a
friend who bought a nylon string Yamaha from GC and our luthier found
a major problem with the neck joint that my buddy would not have
picked up on. But anyways, none of the guitars I received from EM
Shorts were actually setup to the action I like, but I always buy
under the assumption that a good setup will be required.

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Greg D

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Aug 22, 2003, 6:02:22 PM8/22/03
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larry,

> Hey Greg,
>
> You'll probably need to have a pro setup done on the Gibbie when you
> get it. I know EM Shorts says they'll do a setup for you, but on all
> the guitars I've gotten from them, I always ended up bringing them to
> my luthier

Crap... I was hoping that they were men of their word. If it comes in
sloppy and I don't fall immediately in love with it, it'll go back. I
don't need one that bad.

>anyways who is willing to spend much more time and
> attention to detail, and it makes a lot of difference. It's also a
> good idea to have your luthier check for any structural issues while
> you can still send the guitar back, regardless of brand.

Excellent idea.

> I had a
> friend who bought a nylon string Yamaha from GC and our luthier found
> a major problem with the neck joint that my buddy would not have
> picked up on. But anyways, none of the guitars I received from EM
> Shorts were actually setup to the action I like, but I always buy
> under the assumption that a good setup will be required.

Me, too, but they guranteed me... thanks for the heads up, Larry. I will
be all the more vigilant now.

Greg

Margaret Wilson

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Aug 23, 2003, 4:34:25 PM8/23/03
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You know, I just checked Elderly's web site, and this guitar is no longer
listed. I can't imagine it sold in that condition.... They do have some
other Heritages listed, both new and used. Next time I'm down there I'll
have to check 'em out.

Regards,

Margaret

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Margaret Wilson

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Aug 23, 2003, 4:30:27 PM8/23/03
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Every time I play a high dollar US-made guitar and then put it back on the
shelf in favor of my ~$600 Samick, I half wonder if I don't know a good
guitar from a bad one. But everyone who's played my Samick (and doesn't
know the brand) thinks it's some expensive guitar. It sounds great, plays
like a dream, and is purty, too. The Greg Bennett series of Samick guitars,
in particular, are very nice instruments and a great value.

Regards,

Margaret


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