Self Study
rkruz
Ideally has the following:
- self taught (no instructor)
- structured course progression
- adequate theory and its application to guitar.
- contemporary songs used to teach and practice skills.
- CD audio examples at different tempos.
- Ideally some video instruction
- emaphasis is on blues as its a basis for lots of music
- be able to start at intermediate level
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Some potentials are:
- Guitar College....www.Guitarcollege.com
- Jim Sutton Institute......www.guitar-jimsuttoninst.com
Could be software package if extensive enough.
- Interactive Guitar....www.playprosoft.com
- Guitar Magic II......www.sdgsoft.com
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Any experience with the above or any other program available for purchase?
Your comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
RK
Pat
I know several self taught guitarists and they all have serious
problems playing the guitar. The main reason for this is that they
did not start at the beginning with a reputable instructor. They
started somewhere in the middle. They never learned open chords or
Major scales and they can not read standard notation. They started
out playing bar chords and tab. Once you learn the wrong way to play
it is very difficult to forget what you learned and start from
scratch. I suggest that you get a good teacher and learn the basics
before you attempt any online or mail order instructions.
Pat
Gerry Scott-Moore
<pea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know several self taught guitarists and they all have serious
> problems playing the guitar. The main reason for this is that they
> did not start at the beginning with a reputable instructor. They
> started somewhere in the middle. They never learned open chords or
> Major scales and they can not read standard notation. They started
> out playing bar chords and tab.
I disagree with most of that. Nevertheless...
> Once you learn the wrong way to play
> it is very difficult to forget what you learned and start from
> scratch. I suggest that you get a good teacher and learn the basics
> before you attempt any online or mail order instructions.
I agree with all of your conclusions.
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///--- Nazodesu no more.
Jurupari
Monk
Rick Ross
can do the work at home..
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IvanDRodriguez
Ivan
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fool for a student. Teachers are very recommended.
On 01 Oct 2002 23:10:23 GMT, ivandro...@aol.com (IvanDRodriguez)
wrote:
richieb
> This is only my opinion.
> I know several self taught guitarists and they all have serious
> problems playing the guitar. The main reason for this is that they
> did not start at the beginning with a reputable instructor.
[...]
On the other hand Wes Montgomery was largely self taught. No? Nobody
told him that you don't play solos with octaves or use your thumb
instead of a pick. :-)
Of course, there are not that many Wes Montgomery's out there... :-)
...richie
Jurupari
>told him that you don't play solos with octaves or use your thumb
>instead of a pick. :-)
>
Considering who his brothers were, it seems hard to believe he was operating in
much of a musical vacuum, but he probably had to invent his own guitar playing,
though.
Clif
Rick Ross
he had some "instruction"...his technique was self developed..but his
musical approach was, to some extent, "guided" by his environment...
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If you have Wes's talent it's doubtful you'd be posting to usenet
asking about home study programmes.
dbwalker
has so many avenues to pursue that I think a teacher is needed to rein
the student in and show him the direction to go in. I am a student of
clif's and he will tell you that he shows me something and I find it
so intersting i want to jump ahead. This week for example I finally
understood how to do chord inversions
so that is a chord is shaped ie gmajor 7 g(1)-f#(7)-b(3)-d(5) the next
inversion
is 3-1-5-7 then 5-3-7-1 and finally 7-5-1-3. as simple as this is, it
simply eluded me. now i'm doing this to all my chords, so I know them
in various positions. Clif may again have to rein me in. But in
essence you can only suceed if you have a firm foundation. a good
teacher gives you that foundation. building the house after that is up
to you
david
Thom_j.
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LoL.. Max So True!! :)
Rick Ross
what about the wes montgomery home study course!
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>On the other hand Wes Montgomery was largely self taught. No? Nobody
>told him that you don't play solos with octaves or use your thumb
>instead of a pick. :-)
>
>Of course, there are not that many Wes Montgomery's out there... :-)
There was only one Wes, but many, many fine guitarists have been
mainly self taught. Chuck Wayne, Howard Roberts, George Benson, Pat
Metheny, etc.
Clay Moore
http://www.claymoore.com/
Zee@nospam.net Mr. Zee
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richieb
> what about the wes montgomery home study course!
>
Here is the description of the "Wes Montgomery Home Study Course" (tm):
1. Buy all Charlie Christian records
2. Learn all the solos
3. Get a job playing Charlie Christian tunes at a local club.
:-)
...richie
cl...@claymoore.com
wrote:
>Doesn't that prove the cliche: 'The exception proves the rule'
Hi Mr. Zee,
I don't know that I understand what you mean. All I'm saying is, it's
entirely possible to learn to play at a really high level without
formal lessons or a traditional music education. No one learns in a
vacuum. Wes didn't spring out of a closet fully formed, a genius
player. He came from a family of pro musicians. By his own admission
when he started gigging all he knew how to do was play Charlie
Christian solos note-for-note. He had to learn how to play, just like
anyone else. He watched other guitarists, and asked questions. And,
probably most important, he gigged a LOT.
A lot of people on this NG say that you need a teacher to get started.
A teacher can be a huge help, but it's certainly not mandatory to have
one. One of the best guitarists I ever had as a student was 16 or 17
when he came to me for lessons. He played gigs in a band with his
parents and brother on weekends, and for fun sat in his garage with
records and figured out tunes and solos. I can't say that the lessons
he had with me were of much use to him; he didn't really *need* the
formal stuff, and wasn't interested in it. He ended up placing 2nd in
an international talent search sponsored by Fender when he was maybe
18. I had another kid for a couple of lessons who was even younger,
who had a similar story. He was maybe 14 or 15, and playing gigs all
over town. He wanted to learn some swing jazz stuff, and I suggested
Charlie Christian. In the 1st lesson, despite not know the chord
shapes, he learned the changes to the tune well enough to comp for me
while I played the solo. Next week he had C.C.'s solo down, and I
didn't show it to him. He loved to play and figured the stuff out by
himself. He really didn't need me to show it to him.
Clay Moore
http://www.claymoore.com/
thomas
> mainly self taught. Chuck Wayne, Howard Roberts, George Benson, Pat
> Metheny, etc.
Everybody is self-taught to a significant extent, but also nobody is.
We all have mentors and role models. You can't learn jazz in a vacuum.
An ex of mine took lessons from this old guy in Naptown who claimed to
have been Wes's guitar teacher. I can't recall his name; it's been a
quarter century now. But he was the real deal, could play well and was
known around town. Wouldn't surprise me if Wes copped a thing or two
from this cat, and probably vice versa.
Charlie Robinson
have been Wes's guitar teacher. I can't recall his name; it's been a
quarter century now. But he was the real deal, could play well and was
known around town. Wouldn't surprise me if Wes copped a thing or two
from this cat, and probably vice versa.
>>
There was an older cat from Indianapolis who used to play around Miami named
Alex Stevenson who was reputed to be one of Montgomery's teachers.
Charlie Robinson Jazz Guitarist, Composer
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Poets axe
(Pat) writes:
Hello Pat,
I think you're generalizing here. I took the lonely and frustrating path by
myself because there were not many options available to me at the onset of my
studies. And once I got the ball rolling, I kept to the same path.
I recently got together with an upright bass player that has been studying
seriously at a Jazz College. Although good for about the three to four years
he's been playing, he was surprised at how much I had to impart to him, to the
point he half jokingly commented that he was going to quit his private studies.
I mention this not to brag, but to back up the self-taught ones.
I am well aware that it's all relative; there are going to be individuals that
are less or more advanced than we are, and it should be looked at in this
manner, lest we we become locked in pre-judged assumptions. Judge AFTERwards,
not before. Sure, it's great to have a teacher from the get go, or down the
road if possible, but we should not equate an individuals lack of self-effort
with the lack of a good teacher. I think the inverse can also be said; there
are students that might have been blessed with good teachers, but ... well, you
know the rest.
Besides, it's interesting: I have come across SOME guitarists that have been
groomed for success from the beginning and have noticed an arrogance about them
that reaked strongly. I can say the same about SOME players I have come across
that lacked musical knowledge and whos egos were taller than their ability. As
difficult as it is in becoming a good musician, being a balanced human being is
even more difficult.
Bottom line: study hard (with or w/o a teacher), practice a lot, become the
best you can be in this lifetime. Most important I think, REMAIN HUMBLE,
grasshopper :)
Regards,
Ian