WTB: 50 watt tube combo
Jack A. Zucker
relatively light weight (50lbs or less)
Not looking for hellhound, new Traynor, blues deville/deluxe...
fishhead
Look for that Rivera 5512.. its an OK amp.
Richard
> "Jack A. Zucker" wrote:
> >
> > Looking for a fenderish, 50 watt 1x12 tube combo with reverb. Must be
> > relatively light weight (50lbs or less)
> >
> > Not looking for hellhound, new Traynor, blues deville/deluxe...
>
There's the Rivera Chubster 55. EL-34s. It weighs in at 56 lbs.
There's the Chubster 40, again with EL-34s, at 45 lbs. The Jake
Studio Combo has always sounded interesting to me, too, at 55 lbs
(they're discontinued, though).
You can get some good deals on the Chubsters on eBay, as I recall.
The Rivera clean channels I've heard are to die for.
The Tone King Comet 40A is a discontinued 1x12 model that's very
light and has a lot more headroom than you might think. IMHO, that
and the 6L6-based version of his Meteor the best of the Fenderish
amps out there. The Meteor is the new model and priced at around
$2K, unfortunately, but they're the best Fenderish amps I know of.
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Greg D
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> Looking for a fenderish, 50 watt 1x12 tube combo with reverb. Must be
> relatively light weight (50lbs or less)
>
> Not looking for hellhound, new Traynor, blues deville/deluxe...
I understand what you're not looking for - essentially the junkier amps -
apologies to owners. But what are you looking for? Mesa? Rivera? niyehr fo
which really do fender cleans well at all.
You know that a Fender TRRI is only like 55lbs (at least, I think that's
right). And let's face it, it defines "Fender clean".
Hmmm, interesting... Fenderish, 50lbs or less, tube, 50W... have you looked
into the old Ampegs from the 60's? I understand they get very close to
Fender clean. I don't know, but I'll be watchinh this thread to see what
pops.
Greg
matt u
repeat what I wrote up on that earlier, but I'll add that I've been
playing around with the "jangly" setting, that gives it the airy high
end that I like in a Fender. I really like this amp.
A 6L6-equipped Allen Accomplice would give you 30 watts - maybe not what
you're looking for, but what's that extra 20 watts do for you anyway...?
I haven't heard them myself, but I was (was? still am) also very
interested in the Holland Little Jimi or Kenny Burrell. As far as
Fender-ish, at least they're 6L6...
m
Jack A. Zucker
Through experience, I've found that most of these amps distort too easily
since that's their most common usage...
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Jack A. Zucker
between playing with a loud drummer and making the guy use brushes...
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H2R
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built for you?
Warren
Skip Moy
Skip
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Skip Moy
> interested in the Holland Little Jimi or Kenny Burrell. As far as
> Fender-ish, at least they're 6L6...
different heritage archtops .I liked the amp a lot, very smooth, and quiet,
I liked the way the high E and B strings sounded nice and fat through
it.There was clarity and good note defination. The amp wasn't on too loud so
I can't say how it performs when turned up.
Skip
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litepipe
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> relatively light weight (50lbs or less)
I know weight is a concern of yours now. Why don't you get two lower
wattage amps that would be light? It would be two trips to the car, but it
wouldn'r be so heavy.
--litepipe
matt u
myself these days - particularly 1x12 vs. 2x10.
m
Joey Goldstein
I wonder if the bias and/or whatever can be changed on the Fender Hot
Rod Deluxe so that it could put out 50 or 60 watts. It already uses 2
6L6's. You might also need to replace the speaker to handle the extra power.
The Hot Rod Deville would be ideal if it was available with a single 12"
speaker but it isn't. I always thought that was a dumb move on Fender's part.
If I were looking for a 50 watt tube amp I'd look for a used Boogie MKI,
II or III.
With a Celestion G-90 (custom made for Mesa) the amp is a lot lighter
than with an EV. But I don't think a 100 watter would be all that much
heavier and since I know you're a headroom freak like me.....
I'll bet you're not fond of EL 34 sounding amps either. Most companies
making 50 watt amps use EL 34s.
What do the new Traynor tube amps sound like? Any good?
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Joey Goldstein
Joey Goldstein wrote:
>
>
> If I were looking for a 50 watt tube amp I'd look for a used Boogie MKI,
> II or III.
> With a Celestion G-90 (custom made for Mesa) the amp is a lot lighter
> than with an EV. But I don't think a 100 watter would be all that much
> heavier and since I know you're a headroom freak like me.....
Speaking of Mesa's ... and I know you don't like the Nomads ... but what
do the F series amps sound like?
The MKI reissues are only available as 100 watts and their shipping
weight w/Celestion G90 is 65lbs. That means it'll be closer to 55 or
60lbs without the box.
The discontinued SOB (Son Of Boogie) might be an option too. I think
these were very much like the MKI.
If you really want a light tube amp you might need to think about a head
+ cab rig.
H2R
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>
>
> litepipe wrote:
> >
> > "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
> > news:tjnRa.382$xe.4...@news2.news.adelphia.net...
> > > Looking for a fenderish, 50 watt 1x12 tube combo with reverb. Must be
> > > relatively light weight (50lbs or less)
> >
> > I know weight is a concern of yours now. Why don't you get two lower
> > wattage amps that would be light? It would be two trips to the car, but
it
> > wouldn'r be so heavy.
> >
> > --litepipe
>
> I wonder if the bias and/or whatever can be changed on the Fender Hot
> Rod Deluxe so that it could put out 50 or 60 watts. It already uses 2
> 6L6's. You might also need to replace the speaker to handle the extra
power.
>
As you can see by the formula below,
more than the bias would have
to be changed.
Warren
P.S. this is for an 8 ohm load.
+ thanks to whomever i received this formula from
P = [ ¶ . Vdc]² / [8 . Zp] Where
P = Power in watts
¶ = 3.14
Vdc = Plate DC voltage
Zp = Primary impedance in ohm
Pat Smith
I just got a Carr Rambler. Not 50 watts, but loud and quite cleanish.
Very well made point to point. Great little amp!
Greg D
> I'd like to hold out for something hand-wired so I can mod it easily.
> Through experience, I've found that most of these amps distort too
> easily since that's their most common usage...
Yeah, when I said, "Mesa? Rivera? niyehr fo which really do fender cleans
well at all." that should have read "Mesa? Rivera? Neither of which which
really do fender cleans well at all."
Greg
Jack A. Zucker
> Jack,
>
> > I'd like to hold out for something hand-wired so I can mod it easily.
> > Through experience, I've found that most of these amps distort too
> > easily since that's their most common usage...
>
> Yeah, when I said, "Mesa? Rivera? niyehr fo which really do fender cleans
> well at all." that should have read "Mesa? Rivera? Neither of which which
> really do fender cleans well at all."
>
> Greg
Actually, the Rivera's that I've tried do great fender clean tones.
(M60, R55)
My buddy tells me Hellhound is very mid-rangey and nasally and it's
PCB construction, anyway...
Jack A. Zucker
> I'm curious - why a 1x12? I ask because it's a question I'm pondering
> myself these days - particularly 1x12 vs. 2x10.
I think if I were gigging it exclusively in loud bands, the 2x10 would
be better. That's what Bollenback and Johnston are using (Vibrolux
reverbs) for most of their gigs. The reason I wanted 1x12 is for
weight (I've got a bad neck injury) and also for running in stereo
with another 1x12 Peavey combo amp...
Jack A. Zucker
> Hey Jack
> I just got a Carr Rambler. Not 50 watts, but loud and quite cleanish.
> Very well made point to point. Great little amp!
Can you get those under $1000? I thought they were pretty pricey?
Greger Hoel
<j...@jackzucker.com> wrote:
>Looking for a fenderish, 50 watt 1x12 tube combo with reverb. Must be
>relatively light weight (50lbs or less)
>
>Not looking for hellhound, new Traynor, blues deville/deluxe...
Dunno if the offer 1x12 versions, but the 2x12 Laney VC50 sounds very
Twin-like to my ears, with tons of headroom, and was by far the
lightest 2x12 toob amp I've ever picked up.
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specifically for archtops. I have a combo version with reverb and it's
wonderful.
Michael Minnis
televox
well. It is 40 watts, but is a 2X10" combo. It weighs 43 lbs. and is loud
enough to play with a very loud drummer and have power to spare. Blues Pearl
is out of business now because the owner allegedly was ripping people off by
stealing their deposits and not delivering their amps. I guess I was lucky
enough not to fall victim to this. I know they make a model called the Texas
Tornado with one 12" speaker but it is only like 22 watts. These can be
picked up on the used market quite reasonably. Just something to think
about.
Todd
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Jack A. Zucker
that a Pro Reverb is 70 watts:
[3.14 * 480v]2 / 8ohm*4000ohm
P.S.
Regarding the bias thing, you'd really have to bump up the plate
voltages by installing a bigger power transformer, adding bigger
filter supply caps and increasing voltages of all components
downstream since fender uses the absolute smallest-rated components
that'll work in a given configuration...Then, you'd also likely have
to replace the output transformer with a bigger one to take advantage
of the added power...
LarryV
Elliot Bonneville 50 watt tube amp with a Pentode/Triode switch. In
Triode mode, it's only 25 watts, and it's been loud enough to keep up
with any band I've played with. Even in Pentode mode, the volume never
goes beyond 4. I would think an efficient 30 watt amp would be plenty
loud, and you could probably have it built to have lots of clean
headroom if you're looking for a hand made amp. They don't have to
design it to distort easily.
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Pat Smith
wired, they cost.
you get what you pay for...
Richard
> I would think an efficient 30 watt amp would be plenty
> loud, and you could probably have it built to have lots of clean
> headroom if you're looking for a hand made amp. They don't have to
> design it to distort easily.
While I agree with you, and you're right in theory, it all depends on
the designer/builder. Remind me to tell you the horror story of my
recent attempt to have a well-known and highly-regarded amp builder
put together a 30w amp with enough headroom to gig with (ie, breakup
at around 6-7 on the volume).
Summary: With the volume on 3, and the tone controls around 4, the
amp had no headroom whatsoever. Discussions with the amp builder at
that point began with "your hot humbuckers are overloading the
input" even thought he had in writing that I was using a Strat.
It went downhill fast from there.
Jack could probably do this himself. Start with a tube circuit known
for not distorting very easily, such as (IIRC) the Fender Bassman
AA165 (or AB165; it's one of those), and sweeten to taste.
Navin Johnson
> Looking for a fenderish, 50 watt 1x12 tube combo with reverb. Must be
> relatively light weight (50lbs or less)
>
> Not looking for hellhound, new Traynor, blues deville/deluxe...
>
> http://www.jackzucker.com
>
>
http://www.brunoamps.com/ has 1x12 45 watt Cowtipper with 2 6L6 and reverb.
i don't know the weight. i think they are ptp. very expensive.
Jack A. Zucker
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Jack A. Zucker
send me pix of the chasis/transformers. He said it was too much trouble...
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Jack A. Zucker
> II or III.
> With a Celestion G-90 (custom made for Mesa) the amp is a lot lighter
> than with an EV. But I don't think a 100 watter would be all that much
> heavier and since I know you're a headroom freak like me.....
They're too heavy. A buddy has a MKII B with a celestion in it and it's
70LBS! With my injury, I'm not supposed to lift more than 20lbs. Obviously,
I'm not going to find an amp that's 20lbs but 45-50 is manageable at least.
> I'll bet you're not fond of EL 34 sounding amps either. Most companies
> making 50 watt amps use EL 34s.
> What do the new Traynor tube amps sound like? Any good?
Reports are that they are nasally/midrangey without a good clean.
I'm not actually looking for mondo-headroom. I'm just looking for a good 50
watt fenderish clean amp.
Norman Karin
> http://www.brunoamps.com/ has 1x12 45 watt Cowtipper with 2 6L6 and reverb.
> i don't know the weight.
>i think they are ptp. very expensive.
BOY, YOU GOT THAT RIGHT -- $2899. COOL WEB SITE THOUGH.
NJK
GGam...@columbus.rr.com
combo cabs newly built to retrofit the chasis ,put the speaker of your
choice in and buddabing-buddaboom.You even can have your color choice of
tolex,grillcloth,and even tweed if you like.I saw a real nice one in ivory
tolex w/ oxblood grill cloth and bone handle w/ ivory chicken knobs,and that
was about as boutique looking as you can get,without the boutique price.Not
to mention the major snob-appeal factor that went with it.
Lord Valve
LV
303-778-1156
BTW, wait a couple of hours - I'll be late getting to the
shop today.
Jack A. Zucker
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LarryV
but I drool every time I listen to the sound samples. The Tweedy Pie
35 might be something to consider, and I'll bet he can make it so you
have lots of clean headroom. Check em out at http://www.brunoamps.com/
If I had the extra bucks, I'd definitely have a Bruno amp sitting here
:) Send him an email explaining what you want and see if he can
accomodate. I've heard support is top notch.
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There aren't enough tubes. You'd have to add an additional tube socket.
(Unless you're talking about using a Holy Grail pedal...) :-)
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Looking for a fenderish, 50 watt 1x12 tube combo with reverb. Must be
relatively light weight (50lbs or less)
Not looking for hellhound, new Traynor, blues deville/deluxe...
My backup (73 SFDR w/ bf mod) is an Ampeg Reverberocket reissue, 50W Class
AB (2 x 6L6), 1x12, reverb. Weighs 45lbs. Bought mine new for 600 - MF has
them for 699 but I think they can be had cheaper. Good clean - little darker
than a Fender.
Dana
GGam...@columbus.rr.com
are several nice verb pedals on the market.If I were going after the type of
combo you are looking for,I would do this.A competent tech can add a tube
driven verb circuit no prob.go to www.torresengineering.com and you may
find one in kit form
kp
On 17-Jul-2003, "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote:
> Except that I want reverb built in, too! :-)
Can't say I blame you,either! ;-)
~kp
kp
On 17-Jul-2003, "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote:
> (Unless you're talking about using a Holy Grail pedal...) :-)
Doesn't sound as good as built-in reverb. No reverb in front of the preamp
ever does, except for the cleanest of amp settings (think surf music).
Distorted reverb signal sounds like audio hash. (and I *don't* mean
hashish.) The more amp overdrive after the reverb, the nastier it sounds.
Gotta be *after* the preamp, or in the loop position. General rule of thumb,
distortion devices go first in the chain, time based effects go last
possible positions.
(you knew that, I'm saying it for those who may have not.)
~kp
Joey Goldstein
"Jack A. Zucker" wrote:
>
> "Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:3F1624D1...@nowhere.net...
> > If I were looking for a 50 watt tube amp I'd look for a used Boogie MKI,
> > II or III.
> > With a Celestion G-90 (custom made for Mesa) the amp is a lot lighter
> > than with an EV. But I don't think a 100 watter would be all that much
> > heavier and since I know you're a headroom freak like me.....
>
> They're too heavy. A buddy has a MKII B with a celestion in it and it's
> 70LBS!
Well I think you're exaggerating the actual lbs a little but if they're
too heavy for ya then that's that.
> With my injury, I'm not supposed to lift more than 20lbs. Obviously,
> I'm not going to find an amp that's 20lbs but 45-50 is manageable at least.
>
> > I'll bet you're not fond of EL 34 sounding amps either. Most companies
> > making 50 watt amps use EL 34s.
> > What do the new Traynor tube amps sound like? Any good?
>
> Reports are that they are nasally/midrangey without a good clean.
>
> I'm not actually looking for mondo-headroom. I'm just looking for a good 50
> watt fenderish clean amp.
And a head/cab rig is a no-go because of convenience right?
Good luck.
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Greg D
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> Greg D <oas...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> Jack,
>>
>> > I'd like to hold out for something hand-wired so I can mod it
>> > easily. Through experience, I've found that most of these amps
>> > distort too easily since that's their most common usage...
>>
>> Yeah, when I said, "Mesa? Rivera? niyehr fo which really do fender
>> cleans well at all." that should have read "Mesa? Rivera? Neither of
>> which which really do fender cleans well at all."
>>
>> Greg
>
> Actually, the Rivera's that I've tried do great fender clean tones.
> (M60, R55)
>
> My buddy tells me Hellhound is very mid-rangey and nasally and it's
> PCB construction, anyway...
>
So are the Mesas and Riveras, I believe. I had a Rivera Sedona, which was
mostly equiv to a R55 with a switchable tweeter and I just didn't think ti
did anywhere near Fender cleans, which is why I ended up selling it. The
closest I've gotten to Fender cleans has been with my current DRRI, a '79
Pro Reverb, a 73 Pro Reverb. All said, the DRRI is the quintessential clean
tone for me, though I do like the TRRIs best of all. But when it comes to
portability and classic Fender tone, the DRRI does the trick for me.
Greg
Greg D
> j...@jackzucker.com (Jack A. Zucker) wrote in
> news:2f33c43f.03071...@posting.google.com:
>
>> Greg D <oas...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:<Xns93BB471BC80...@68.1.17.6>...
>>> Jack,
>>>
>>> > I'd like to hold out for something hand-wired so I can mod it
>>> > easily. Through experience, I've found that most of these amps
>>> > distort too easily since that's their most common usage...
>>>
>>> Yeah, when I said, "Mesa? Rivera? niyehr fo which really do fender
>>> cleans well at all." that should have read "Mesa? Rivera? Neither of
>>> which which really do fender cleans well at all."
>>>
>>> Greg
>>
>> Actually, the Rivera's that I've tried do great fender clean tones.
>> (M60, R55)
>>
>> My buddy tells me Hellhound is very mid-rangey and nasally and it's
>> PCB construction, anyway...
>>
>
> So are the Mesas and Riveras, I believe.
I mean PCB, not nasal.
kp
On 17-Jul-2003, Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> Well I think you're exaggerating the actual lbs a little but if they're
> too heavy for ya then that's that.
Don't let the size fool you. I don't think he's exagerating at all. I
lifted a friend's and couldn't believe how heavy the thing was.
I think my JCM800 weighs in at about 70lbs - somewhere in the same league as
a Twin Reverb for weight, I think. This Mk2 was as heavy or *heavier*!
Lead transformers maybe? How to ruin your back in a hurry!
~kp
Deaj
in the early 80s). To my ears the Rivera amps are a bit flat sounding -
none of the sparkle of the BF Fender amps. Unfortunate - I'd pay good money
for a 1x12 (BF Deluxe sized) version of my Super Champ w/ a bigger reverb
tank and independent volume controls for each 'channel' (Deluxe II?).
Jack - I'd suggest trying to get ahold of Anderson Amplification in Port
Orchard, WA. If I can find his telephone number I'll post it. He hand
builds killer sounding 20w and 40w amps loosely based on the AB763 Fender
black face era circuit. Great fender clean with lots of sparkle and great
harmonics - and very reasonably priced for a hand built amp (I was quoted
$1,000 for a 1x12 40w combo). No web site though (my brother and I are
thinking about building and hosting a site for him - great guy!).
If purchasing an amp from a small mom-n-pop type builder doesn't leave you
feeling warm and fuzzy you might want to look at Allen Amplification
(ww.allenamps.com). I've only had the opportunity to play one of his amps
(Old Flame - also loosely based on the AB763 I believe) and this particular
example was also a great sounding amp with a Fender Black Face vibe. These
go for ~$1,500.
Best of luck!
Deaj
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Deaj
http://www.fargenamps.com/Blackbird.htm
This chassis is based loosely on the BF Deluxe Reverb - in a 1x12 or 2x10
combo (est. 35-40 lbs). He also offers this amp with 2 - 6L6s or 4 - 6V6s -
this may offer enough clean headroom. I've never played one but he does
have some sound files on his site. Reasonably priced for PTP construction -
tidy inside too.
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Sonny
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I was going to chime in and say that you can put a set of castors (wheels)
on any amp, but now that I think of it, even though my Twin has them I still
carry the beast everywhere I go (when I use it) unless it's on a nice smooth
surface inside a gig hall. I hate the thought of what that THUMP on every
stinking sidewalk crack is going to do to the insides of my amp. I remember
some brands, Ampeg comes to mind, that used to have removable dollies for
their big cabs. Be nice if someone could come up with a universal clamp on
type with a spring-shockabsorbing type system for us all to use.They make
covers for amps, what the hell. Any entrepreneurs out there that want to
make money in this lousy economy? I'd do it but I'm broke. Takes money to
make money. All the young kids are using these pod things that fit in a
briefcase. It's us old geezers trying to lug around these dinosaurs.** JUST
KIDDING** Then again why not just get a roadie to work for free beer? Hell,
sometimes WE do {:^0 Ahhhhh..... Life is Good :-)
Sonny ( I'll rather throw my back out before I throw my Twin out :-)
Jack A. Zucker
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Joey Goldstein
kp wrote:
>
> On 17-Jul-2003, Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
> > Well I think you're exaggerating the actual lbs a little but if they're
> > too heavy for ya then that's that.
>
> Don't let the size fool you. I don't think he's exagerating at all. I
> lifted a friend's and couldn't believe how heavy the thing was.
Again...They are much lighter with the Celestion compared to the EV.
The shipping weight of a MKI reissue with Celestion is listed at 65lbs.
The box has got to weigh at least 5lbs. Do the math. It's got to be less
than 70lbs.
My Simul Sattelite with EV weighs 65 lbs by my scale. It has the same
chassis as a SimulClass MKIII.
> I think my JCM800 weighs in at about 70lbs - somewhere in the same league as
> a Twin Reverb for weight, I think. This Mk2 was as heavy or *heavier*!
> Lead transformers maybe? How to ruin your back in a hurry!
>
> ~kp
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"Jack A. Zucker" wrote:
>
> Regarding casters, I'd rather use a cart:
>
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030717174232068070206046246299/g=home/search/detail/base_id/58306
Yeah, but there's always an upstairs gig with no elevator.
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Greg H
sections. if you dont play bass you really dont need it, and then you
can use those tube sockets to drive the reverb.
"Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote in message news:<HuCRa.66$gi.1...@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
Greg D
> I had hoped for better from Rivera (he did some really cool work at
> Fender in the early 80s). To my ears the Rivera amps are a bit flat
> sounding - none of the sparkle of the BF Fender amps.
Absolutely the way I felt. Also, I didn't hear the clarity of a BF amp.
> Unfortunate -
> I'd pay good money for a 1x12 (BF Deluxe sized) version of my Super
> Champ w/ a bigger reverb tank and independent volume controls for each
> 'channel' (Deluxe II?).
Princeton reverb II or the DEluxe Reverb II. THere is not much diff
between the PRII and DRII in wattage or features. Both have 12" speakers
as well.
I had a PRII - it was every bit as loud - maybe louder than my current
DRRI and had wonderful OD As well. Like your Super Champ, it shared 1/2
of the reverb tube for overdrive, so reverb dropped off.
Greg
SteveL
But, in any case, have you considered a head/cab pair? I have a tweed deluxe
cab repro (extension cab - not combo) loaded with 50 watt 12" Weber ceramic
Blue Dog that just sings, and is REALLY light. Then you could pair it up
with most any head you want. A couple of options would include a Mesa F30 or
F50 (the 30 issurprisingly loud), an old Fender Showman head would be sweet,
or an old Fender SV head (a Bassman might do nicely). I select these Fenders
becasue someone here said you like clean headroom. For more bluesy dirt, you
could build a 59 Bassman clone into a head - that would be awesome.
"Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
Jack A. Zucker
artifact in the tone which really bothered me. I never could get any
classic, natural overdrive out of it either. I'm not sure why they can't
offer an amp that has a Fender clean channel...
"SteveL" <nospam...@sliberty.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Jack A. Zucker
Winfield Thomas amp (the Elizabeth). It's my ultimate 50 watt fender
style tube combo amp. To see my full review, search dejanews and look
for
Review: Winfield Thomas Tube Combo amp
His site is: http://rfd.cc/winamp/
Jack A. Zucker
"Greg H" <eggh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Its actually doable if you are willing to sacrifice one of the imput
> sections. if you dont play bass you really dont need it, and then you
> can use those tube sockets to drive the reverb.
>
Not without adding another tube greg. The bassman only has 3 tube sockets.
To implement the fender reverb circuit, you need 2 12ax7 and 2 12AT7 tubes.
A BF Fender preamp is 2 stages (1 12ax7) but then you have the reverb which
is 2 stages of the single AT7 and then you need 1/2 of an 12AX7 as a reverb
recovery stage and then you hit the phase inverter which is a 12AT7. That's
4 tubes.
If it weren't for the extra tube socket, I would have added reverb to a
Bassman years ago! :-)
Deaj
miker
as
> a Twin Reverb for weight, I think. This Mk2 was as heavy or *heavier*!
> Lead transformers maybe? How to ruin your back in a hurry!
Obsessively, I have actually weighed all my gear in a
postal-scale-influenced bout of curiosity as to how much I was really
dealing with. Here's the amp results:
Bandmaster 78 = (30 (head) + 48 (cab))
Marshall MK2 50 combo 66
Pro Reverb 53
Pro (1x15) 47
Sovtek MIG-50 head 28
Mesa 1x12 w/Celestion 34
kp
On 17-Jul-2003, "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote:
> Regarding casters, I'd rather use a cart:
That's about the same as the one I use. Got mine from Home Depot, Milwalkee
brand, goes from two wheeler to four. Very handy to have, hauls all my PA
gear, everything.
The thing about an amp that's too heavy is that you've still got to carry it
more times than you'd like. (You can't roll it up stairs, over dirt, over a
busted up sidewalk or (usually) into the van or onto the tailgate of the
truck.) Then you've got the added weight of the wheels! My back hurts
thinking about it.
~kp
Gantt Mann Kushner
Since you're capable of doing mods why not get a silver-face
Deluxe Reverb, drop a couple of new transformers into it, and
make into whatever you want?
gantt
Georgio
doesn't make it perfect...very heavy too but i have wheels and it stays in the basement..
georgio
>
> "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
> news:tjnRa.382$xe.4...@news2.news.adelphia.net...
> > Looking for a fenderish, 50 watt 1x12 tube combo with reverb. Must be
> > relatively light weight (50lbs or less)
> >
> > Not looking for hellhound, new Traynor, blues deville/deluxe...
> >
> > --
> > http://www.jackzucker.com
> >
> >
>
>
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I've done that for years. I always end up with something that has some
hard-to-find bugaboo that appears inconsistently - Usually when you're in
the middle of a gig somewhere. Ultimately, the old fender amps have
conductive boards from years of absorbing moisture, conductive tube sockets
from arcing tubes, yada-yada...
Typically, when I get an old amp that I'm restoring for my own use, I'll
replace all the components except the transformers and pots. I just want to
start with something that has all the bugs worked out for me beforehand....
"Gantt Mann Kushner" <gi...@his.com> wrote in message
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miker
> hard-to-find bugaboo that appears inconsistently - Usually when you're in
> the middle of a gig somewhere. Ultimately, the old fender amps have
> conductive boards from years of absorbing moisture, conductive tube
sockets
> from arcing tubes, yada-yada...
Makes a great platform tho... maybe you can find a smoked on with a missing
speaker and rebuild from scratch. Can't beat Fender chassis and cabinets.
Greg H
Actually, with a bassman, removing one of the input channels actually
frees up 1 and a half tube slots. The bassman (at leat the silverface
i am working with) has an extra 7025/12ax7 to sum the bass and normal
channels before going into the phase inverter. If you reduce to one
channel, you have the option of removing that entire sum stage and
gaining 2 tube slots, or using it as a master volume and gaining half
of a tube slot. Its a little more work, and you end up with something
a little more like a pro reverb, but its still doable without adding
another tube socket.
The total number of preamp tube sockets on this thing is 4 (in case
my above description is just poorly worded and confusing).
I am actually currently in the process of making similar modifications
to a silverface bassman myself. Im also changing the input channel to
be more like a pro-reverb (the only real difference is a mid control).
Coincidentally, it is the 50 watt model. I'll let you all know how it
turns out.
John King
Greg D wrote:
>
> Deaj,
>
> > I had hoped for better from Rivera (he did some really cool work at
> > Fender in the early 80s). To my ears the Rivera amps are a bit flat
> > sounding - none of the sparkle of the BF Fender amps.
>
> Absolutely the way I felt. Also, I didn't hear the clarity of a BF amp.
>
> > Unfortunate -
> > I'd pay good money for a 1x12 (BF Deluxe sized) version of my Super
> > Champ w/ a bigger reverb tank and independent volume controls for each
> > 'channel' (Deluxe II?).
>
> Princeton reverb II or the DEluxe Reverb II. THere is not much diff
> between the PRII and DRII in wattage or features. Both have 12" speakers
> as well.
>
> I had a PRII - it was every bit as loud - maybe louder than my current
> DRRI and had wonderful OD As well. Like your Super Champ, it shared 1/2
> of the reverb tube for overdrive, so reverb dropped off.
>
> Greg
>
I had an 80's, Rivera designed, Princeton II for a number of years.
It was bought as a replacement for a much missed SFDR that I was
foolish enough to trade off. The PR II was a good amp in it's own
right, and certainly had more of a high gain (Boogie) lead sound, but
it just didn't have the clean/sparkle and dynamics of the SFDR.
I finally sold the PR II because they were going on eBay for three times
the money that mine cost me at the pawnshop 10 years earlier. I haven't
missed it a great deal.
The SFDR, however, I *still* miss...
John King
http://www.geocities.com/j_h_...@swbell.net/rockinjohn/rockinjohn_1.html
Greg D
Truth be told - I don't miss my PRII much either and when they
skyrocketed on EBAY to $600-650 2-3 years ago, I sold mine.
Greg
ken papa
He did make good and correct the problems....but you know .???????????
Ken
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David Morley
"Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote:
> Looking for a fenderish, 50 watt 1x12 tube combo with reverb. Must be
> relatively light weight (50lbs or less)
>
> Not looking for hellhound, new Traynor, blues deville/deluxe...
http://www.kingsleyamplifiers.com/
More like $1400 but handwired and as good as anything else out there.
Jack A. Zucker
Unfortunately, the $1400 is for the 30 watt 6V6 model. The 2x6L6 50
watt model is $1900.