Ab7#9
Sean
please repeat their points but in a different key?
charles robinson
steps)... if even that seems too daunting for you then you can do it
visually ("If this is F7#9 and the scale is right here then when I move up
here the scale will be right there") or aurally (play the pattern first with
the F7#9 and then play Ab7#9 and try to hear the equivalent pattern). Good
Luck....Charlie
"Sean" <se...@fake.con> wrote in message
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pmfan57
wrote:
> Yes, just move everything that you liked on F7#9 up a minor third (or 3 half
> steps)... if even that seems too daunting for you then you can do it
> visually ("If this is F7#9 and the scale is right here then when I move up
> here the scale will be right there") or aurally (play the pattern first with
> the F7#9 and then play Ab7#9 and try to hear the equivalent pattern). Good
> Luck....Charlie
>
>
> news:5dLui.69680$Io4.26709@edtnps89...
>
>
>
> > Do all the points made about F7#9 apply to Ab7#9? Would those posters
>
> - Show quoted text -
Someone should write a "thread transposer" for situations like this.
Kevin Collins
>
> Someone should write a "thread transposer" for situations like this.
Ah, that's why there's Google Capo.
Sean
Your earnest response makes me feel guilty for being a smartass.
charles robinson
Charlie
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Sean
If you've read some of my other dimwitted comments and questions, it
isn't really surprising that you thought I actually needed to be told to
move all the ideas up a minor third. I blame myself. Luckily, I can
accept guilt with a light heart. But then, that makes me a psychopath...
charles robinson
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crip...@aol.com
wrote:
> "To know one's self completely is to gain inner tranquility."
Know thyself? If I knew myself I would run away.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
My take is "If you think it's hard being around me, you should try
being inside me."
Pt
> Do all the points made about F7#9 apply to Ab7#9? Would those posters
> please repeat their points but in a different key?
I love these theory threads.
Where's Joey?
Pt
tomb...@jhu.edu
> please repeat their points but in a different key?
That chord can only be played with two-handed tapping. You might want
to ask on the Van Halen newsgroup.
decapr...@hotmail.com
> Do all the points made about F7#9 apply to Ab7#9? Would those posters
> please repeat their points but in a different key?
Not if you wish to make a perfect cadence into Bbmaj7. Ab7#9 can make
a "back-door" cadence into Bbmaj7, but considerably weaker. The motif
of the points made in the initial thread spiraled itself into
*function*. Function is also spoken here. You might play and *listen*
to F7#9 as a b5 sub (via the cycle of 2) cadencing into E-7 and play
and listen to Ab7#9 also cadencing into E-7. The latter can work
nearly as close as the former and certainly in conjunction (two beats
each into the E-7 or dig: Eb-7 to Ab7#9 to F7#9 into E-7 and this can
be another good modulation device into the key of C from various keys
that can house Ab7#9 comfortably. E-7 begs to find it's way home.). E
is a "harmonic root" of Ab (G#) and so, Ab may be tempted to resolve
that way. Play the note Ab and sing E below it. Ernie Eisley may
suddenly jump out of your closet and walk backwards (Thinking of Twist
and Shout here, of course and stretching humor).
-TD
tomb...@jhu.edu
Ernie was only ten years old when Twist and Shout came out. That was
pre-Hendrix even.
decapr...@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
You get the idea. His family, correct? Eisley Brothers?
-TD
tomb...@jhu.edu
Isley Brothers. Ernie is the younger brother that plays guitar in the
Hendrix style, but he didn't join the band until the late 60s or so.
They recorded a lot of good pop singles.
decapr...@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
*I know*. And thanks for the spelling correction. Ernie and I once did
a clinic together for the National Recording Arts and Science in
Atlanta (2002) for Steve Vai concerning various guitar styles. I chose
Ernie's name for my "humoresque" remark is all, knowing that Isley
Bros had the original hit, Twist and Shout, and making the analogy
with the root, third, fifth and seventh routine is all. Not knowing
the older brother's name, I chose Ernie. Ain't that wild? I like
Ernie, by the way, good guy and good player in his bag.
-TD
charles robinson
Then again unlike Sean you might not have completely discovered the true
core of your existence.He seems to be quite contented with the truth he has
found.
(I'm getting good at this.)
Charlie
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Pt
wrote:
> I take it that unlike Goethe that you know yourself.
> Then again unlike Sean you might not have completely discovered the true
> core of your existence.He seems to be quite contented with the truth he has
> found.
> (I'm getting good at this.)
> Charlie
Do you have an old VW bus with paisley flowers painted on it?
Pt
Max Leggett
Of course. Need you ask?
Joey Goldstein
> Do all the points made about F7#9 apply to Ab7#9? Would those posters
> please repeat their points but in a different key?
Nope.
They're totally different.
One's an F7#9 chord and the other's an Ab7#9 chord.
Totally different points, and tips as well. Wings too.
If you can ever understand this, you'll be well on your way towards
being the next leader of the jazz community.
Louis, Bird, Miles & Trane, Wynton (ouch)... Sean.
As a teacher - with no accreditation - I can guarantee it.
--
Joey Goldstein
http://www.joeygoldstein.com
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/joeygoldstein
joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
Sean
> Sean wrote:
>> Do all the points made about F7#9 apply to Ab7#9? Would those posters
>> please repeat their points but in a different key?
>
> Nope.
> They're totally different.
> One's an F7#9 chord and the other's an Ab7#9 chord.
> Totally different points, and tips as well. Wings too.
> If you can ever understand this, you'll be well on your way towards
> being the next leader of the jazz community.
> Louis, Bird, Miles & Trane, Wynton (ouch)... Sean.
> As a teacher - with no accreditation - I can guarantee it.
>
I await that eventuality with a trout in my mouth. (Bated breath
attracts 'em.)
charles robinson
Charlie
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Charlie
"Sean" <se...@fake.con> wrote in message
Max Leggett
<robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
>If you fish around enough you can usually find something that fits.
Just ask Joe Finn.
Sean
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:51:30 -0400, "charles robinson"
> <robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> If you fish around enough you can usually find something that fits.
>
> Just ask Joe Finn.
It's all about scales, eh?
Max Leggett
>Max Leggett wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:51:30 -0400, "charles robinson"
>> <robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> If you fish around enough you can usually find something that fits.
>>
>> Just ask Joe Finn.
>
>It's all about scales, eh?
>
Jimmy Bruno prefers them descaled, but I think I'm fishing for lame
puns.
Michael L Kankiewicz
> Max Leggett wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:51:30 -0400, "charles robinson"
> > <robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> If you fish around enough you can usually find something that fits.
> >
> > Just ask Joe Finn.
>
> It's all about scales, eh?
As long as the line has a good hook.
charles robinson
Charlie
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Max Leggett
<robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
>You seem to be floundering here.
>Charlie
I contribute to this thread just for the halibut.
tomb...@jhu.edu
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:18:24 -0400, "charles robinson"
>
> >You seem to be floundering here.
> >Charlie
>
> I contribute to this thread just for the halibut.
>
>
>
> >news:rjasb3hoe50v605mm...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:10:57 GMT, Sean <s...@fake.con> wrote:
>
> >>>Max Leggett wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:51:30 -0400, "charles robinson"
> >>>> <robinsonch...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> If you fish around enough you can usually find something that fits.
>
> >>>> Just ask Joe Finn.
>
> >>>It's all about scales, eh?
>
> >> Jimmy Bruno prefers them descaled, but I think I'm fishing for lame
> >> puns.
>
> >>>>> Charlie
> >>>>>news:3xbvi.87778$tB5.63543@edtnps90...
> >>>>>> Joey Goldstein wrote:
> >>>>>>> Sean wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Do all the points made about F7#9 apply to Ab7#9? Would those
> >>>>>>>> posters
> >>>>>>>> please repeat their points but in a different key?
> >>>>>>> Nope.
> >>>>>>> They're totally different.
> >>>>>>> One's an F7#9 chord and the other's an Ab7#9 chord.
> >>>>>>> Totally different points, and tips as well. Wings too.
> >>>>>>> If you can ever understand this, you'll be well on your way towards
> >>>>>>> being
> >>>>>>> the next leader of the jazz community.
> >>>>>>> Louis, Bird, Miles & Trane, Wynton (ouch)... Sean.
> >>>>>>> As a teacher - with no accreditation - I can guarantee it.
>
> >>>>>> I await that eventuality with a trout in my mouth. (Bated breath
> >>>>>> attracts
> >>>>>> 'em.)
I hate puns. I'm tuna-ing out of this grouper.
Sean
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:18:24 -0400, "charles robinson"
> <robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> You seem to be floundering here.
>> Charlie
>
>
> I contribute to this thread just for the halibut.
>
Count Bassie would understand.
Des Higgins
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:18:24 -0400, "charles robinson"
> <robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>You seem to be floundering here.
>>Charlie
>
>
> I contribute to this thread just for the halibut.
>
Pollocks!
Des
Max Leggett
<dazzh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Max Leggett" <kidk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:5r6ub3h3k0768ndfk...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:18:24 -0400, "charles robinson"
>> <robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>You seem to be floundering here.
>>>Charlie
>>
>>
>> I contribute to this thread just for the halibut.
>>
>
>Pollocks!
>
That's not very tunny at all.
Des Higgins
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:37:16 +0100, "Des Higgins"
> <dazzh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Max Leggett" <kidk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:5r6ub3h3k0768ndfk...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:18:24 -0400, "charles robinson"
>>> <robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You seem to be floundering here.
>>>>Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>> I contribute to this thread just for the halibut.
>>>
>>
>>Pollocks!
>>
>
> That's not very tunny at all.
The gripes of Wrasse
tomb...@jhu.edu
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:37:16 +0100, "Des Higgins"
>
>
>
>
> >"Max Leggett" <kidkoo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:5r6ub3h3k0768ndfk...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:18:24 -0400, "charles robinson"
> >> <robinsonch...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>>You seem to be floundering here.
> >>>Charlie
>
> >> I contribute to this thread just for the halibut.
>
> >Pollocks!
>
> That's not very tunny at all.
>
> >Des
>
> >>>news:rjasb3hoe50v605mm...@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:10:57 GMT, Sean <s...@fake.con> wrote:
>
> >>>>>Max Leggett wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:51:30 -0400, "charles robinson"
> >>>>>> <robinsonch...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> If you fish around enough you can usually find something that fits.
>
> >>>>>> Just ask Joe Finn.
>
> >>>>>It's all about scales, eh?
>
> >>>> Jimmy Bruno prefers them descaled, but I think I'm fishing for lame
> >>>> puns.
>
> >>>>>>> Charlie
> >>>>>>>news:3xbvi.87778$tB5.63543@edtnps90...
> >>>>>>>> Joey Goldstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Sean wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Do all the points made about F7#9 apply to Ab7#9? Would those
> >>>>>>>>>> posters
> >>>>>>>>>> please repeat their points but in a different key?
> >>>>>>>>> Nope.
> >>>>>>>>> They're totally different.
> >>>>>>>>> One's an F7#9 chord and the other's an Ab7#9 chord.
> >>>>>>>>> Totally different points, and tips as well. Wings too.
> >>>>>>>>> If you can ever understand this, you'll be well on your way towards
> >>>>>>>>> being
> >>>>>>>>> the next leader of the jazz community.
> >>>>>>>>> Louis, Bird, Miles & Trane, Wynton (ouch)... Sean.
> >>>>>>>>> As a teacher - with no accreditation - I can guarantee it.
>
> >>>>>>>> I await that eventuality with a trout in my mouth. (Bated breath
> >>>>>>>> attracts
> >>>>>>>> 'em.)
Yeah, you should just clam up.
Des Higgins
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> On Aug 12, 3:48 pm, Max Leggett <kidkoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:37:16 +0100, "Des Higgins"
>>
>>
>>
>> <dazzhigg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Max Leggett" <kidkoo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:5r6ub3h3k0768ndfk...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:18:24 -0400, "charles robinson"
>> >> <robinsonch...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>You seem to be floundering here.
>> >>>Charlie
>>
>> >> I contribute to this thread just for the halibut.
>>
>> >Pollocks!
>>
>> That's not very tunny at all.
>>
>
> Yeah, you should just clam up.
>
stop trying to mussel in on my puns.
Joey Goldstein
Max Leggett
<nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> From my perch this is going nowhere.
Seems to me you have it bass ackwards.
Joey Goldstein
Till-I-pee...ah, I can't post anymore.
I'll have to take off my codpiece I suppose.
decapr...@hotmail.com
celebrities at the home of Lawrence Fishburn. Sting, Ray, Marlin, with
Starr there, humming the words to "Kelp! I need somebody", (later of
course he sang Octupus' Garden a cappella), and in the background you
can here Bernie's Tuna followed by Blue Monkfish. Oh yes, Cod Stewart
was also there having his stomach re-pumped. Prawn Connery was there
talking the words to What's It All About Algae, and yet of course many
of the guests merely ended up on squid row. OK, I'd better not push
mollusk.
-TD
Joey Goldstein
OK. I'm out.
That was virtuosic.
I can't compete with that.
--
Joey Goldfish
http://www.joeygoldfish.com
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/joeygoldfish
joegoldfish AT sympatico DOT ca
charles robinson
Charlie
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Michael L Kankiewicz
>
> Count Bassie would understand.
This is a guitar group. Better to ask Julian Bream.
decapr...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> Holy Mackerel! Things have gotten completely off the hook in my absence.
> Charlie
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Sean wrote:
>
> >> Max Leggett wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:51:30 -0400, "charles robinson"
> >> > <robinsonch...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> If you fish around enough you can usually find something that fits.
>
> >> > Just ask Joe Finn.
>
> >> It's all about scales, eh?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, I have been waiting with baited breath, as you can probably tell
I had smoked a lot of seaweed in my day. Sould we get Dean Martin to
call amore' ? Or do you prefer Paul Anka straining to sing "And They
Called It Guppy Love?" This whole scene here is quite a fluke.
Carp diem!
-TD
Max Leggett
Yes, but Fluke Ellington would have a better overall picture.
Des Higgins
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:05:05 -0400, Michael L Kankiewicz
>
> >On Sun, 12 Aug 2007, Sean wrote:
>
> >> Count Bassie would understand.
>
> >This is a guitar group. Better to ask Julian Bream.
>
> Yes, but Fluke Ellington would have a better overall picture.
Oi; we was discussin fish; flukes are parts of Whales which are
mammals or did you do that on porpoise.
charles robinson
Charlie
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Fluke is a fish too. We catch on Long Island Sound. Tastes like
flounder. So, don't be a Mobey Dick.
-TD
Des Higgins
That is what I love about this newsgroup; the really useful things you
learn; I stand corrected and concede the point (and this will have a
load of people scanning for the fishy pun so I better save you the
time and state that there are none that I am aware of so far but I am
tired so you never know).
unknownguitarplayer
wrote:
> Sure, Aqua turbida piscosior est
> Charlie
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
C'mon Charlie, let's keep it clean! Save the bluefish material for
the late show, where the language gets a little roughy.
decapr...@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your post sounds fishy to me. It must of had a boat tied to it. I
didn't mean to barge in on you.
-TD
Max Leggett
That some kind of social disease?
Des Higgins
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ok ok I give in :-)
>
> -TD
>
charles robinson
Charlie
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Pt
wrote:
> Ok we can go out with flashlights and gig a few suckers
> Charlie
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'll stick with the bass.
Pt
charles robinson
Charlie
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> - Show quoted text -
Getting back to that celebrity party, I forgot to mention that Robert
Crayfish was performing the blues, Yoko *Ono* was running the sushi
bar, several of the Miami Dolphins (fish league variety) were there
betting on seahorses, John Mackerel was acting holier than thou (he
plays guitar by the way); lots of groupers were standing outside the
doorway. Oh, I also forgot to mention that the "King" was there,
although a bit crabby as he just flew in on the redeye from Alaska.
Yes, and what party would be a party without the token tilapia dancer?
Kids were spotted in the kitchen making peanut butter and jelly-fish
sandwiches, of course, and McLaughlin was there trying to pawn off his
scalloped fretted gator. By the way, several of the hookers were
already konched out. And naturally it was soon discovered that the
"shrimp were on the shrimp-boats and the crabs were on the Captain's
dinghy". Some bad fish were trying to steal, but quite soon realized
that all that glitters is not goldfish. I met a fish called Wanda and
we decided to talk about the original Ocean's Eleven. Mahi-Mahi it was
quite a bash!
-TD
Pt
wrote:
> Be careful though you might damage your herring.
> Charlie
You can't tuna....never mind.
Pt
charles robinson
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey Joey, speaking of fishhooks, I believe I may be "off the hook"
concerning the definition of "tetrachord." I had been using it in
recent years as any consequetive four note scale fragment and ignoring
the perfect fourth rule, because in the back of my mind I had read
that such a rule had been relaxed. I have come to discover that the
rule has been relaxed. One place I had seen this in print of late is
Wikapedia:
"Traditionally, a tetrachord is a series of four tones filling in the
interval of a perfect fourth, a 4:3 frequency proportion. In modern
usage a tetrachord is any four-note segment of a scale or tone row.
The term tetrachord derives from ancient Greek music theory. It
literally means four strings, originally in reference to harp-like
instruments such as the lyra or the kithara, with the implicit
understanding that the four strings must be contiguous. Ancient Greek
music theory distinguishes three genera of tetrachords."
So perhaps I am now officially "off the hook."
As you know, a similiar language shift had occurred with the meaning
of pentatonic.
-TD
Henry Moon
Joey Goldstein wrote:
ARCHIVE the dog for further study. MEANwhile, refer to the item in
question as "Mystery BoW."
ThAnK YeW.
HeNRoI D
> Sean wrote:
> >>>>> Do all the points made about F7#9 apply to Ab7#9? Would those posters
> >>>>> please repeat their points but in a different key?
> >>>> Nope.
> >>>> They're totally different.
> >>>> One's an F7#9 chord and the other's an Ab7#9 chord.
> >>>> Totally different points, and tips as well. Wings too.
> >>>> If you can ever understand this, you'll be well on your way towards being
> >>>> the next leader of the jazz community.
> >>>> Louis, Bird, Miles & Trane, Wynton (ouch)... Sean.
> >>>> As a teacher - with no accreditation - I can guarantee it.
>
> >>> I await that eventuality with a trout in my mouth. (Bated breath attracts
> >>> 'em.)