Sadowsky archtops
Docbop
online, but rarely see Sadowsky's mentioned. I was just wondering
why. He has big name endorsors and they look like good guitars for
the money so why so little talk about them? Any comment pro and con
on them?
Tim McNamara
<6b440499-fc13-4a03...@s17g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Docbop <doc...@gmail.com> wrote:
There's been lots of discussion in r.m.m.g.j. about them, although not
in the past couple of months.
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That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, Bingo.
335
I think they get about as much attention as the other boutique archtop
guitars. The sadowsky semi hollow is one of the best of its type and
it gets a lot positive attention but it is kind of expensive for a
semi hollow. I've played the Jim Hall and the Jimmy Bruno guitars
which are both very nice instruments. A lot of people seem to like
them. There's just so many good archtops out there now.It's a crowded
field.
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You can read some owner reviews here:
<http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/107777>
and
<http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/104488>
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David J. Littleboy
They look real nice to me. Especially the 17" laminate model.
Unfortunately, Sadowsky doesn't really make anything for those of us with
our heads wedged in the carved spruce top archtop geezer jazz mindset. Sigh.
But they're some of the nicest looking laminate top guitars around.
--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
Dan Adler
Try to search the google group archives, Roger himself posts here from
time to time.
sut
I have a semi hollow from sadowsky and I love it!
Most versatile guitar that i own.
If you want to listen :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcc1dsOftZE
best from chris
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Sounds great, Chris.
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Carl
fortunate enough to own many guitars (I am a small-time collector). If I had
to keep just ONE electric, it would be the Semi.
Carl
> posts I see her are for the lower-priced, production guitars, Epi's,
> Eastman's, etc. and occasionally a Gibson 175 or HR Fusion at the
> somewhat higher end. Rarely do you see posts about any of the
> higher-priced archtops. Most Sadowsky archtops are in the $4000
> range. There are several fine luthiers across the country making
> guitars in that price range and we don't see any of them mentioned
> here. Sheetsofsound has talked about Painter guitars, which I believe
> are somewhat less expensive than Sadowsky's, but we don't see any
> owners posting about those either. In the carved wood arena, we have
> great luthiers like Mark Campellone building great guitars for $5-6k
> and there's little chatter about those as well.
> I happen to own 3 Sadowskys and 1 Campellone. I just don't post about
> them here. If I did post, it would more likely be in a monitored
> forum like www.thegearpage.net (where you can find a number of
> threads on Sadowsky guitars) unless someone here, such as yourself,
> raises the question.
> Keep in mind that Jimmy Bruno, Jim Hall, and Russell Malone are
> amongst the players who both endorse and use Sadowsky guitars.
>
>
Btw, is that you Mark???
David J. Littleboy
"Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>>
> I think you've nailed it. I apologize if I'm wrong, but most of the posts
> I see her are for the lower-priced, production guitars, Epi's, Eastman's,
> etc. and occasionally a Gibson 175 or HR Fusion at the somewhat higher
> end. Rarely do you see posts about any of the higher-priced archtops. Most
> Sadowsky archtops are in the $4000 range. There are several fine luthiers
> across the country making guitars in that price range and we don't see any
> of them mentioned here.
The prices seem pretty reasonable to me. The boutique luthiers who offer a
$4000 instrument are offering a basic model with very little ornamentation,
and prices go up fast for even the slightest fanciness.
> Sheetsofsound has talked about Painter guitars, which I believe are
> somewhat less expensive than Sadowsky's, but we don't see any owners
> posting about those either. In the carved wood arena, we have great
> luthiers like Mark Campellone building great guitars for $5-6k and there's
> little chatter about those as well.
One reason for the limited amount of chatter about X is that there's a
limited number of people chattering here. We just don't have a large enough
group to have multiple users of any luthier you can name.
> I happen to own 3 Sadowskys and 1 Campellone. I just don't post about them
> here.
Well, you just did post about them<g>. Come on, fess up: do you own an
LS-17?
Bg
> Well, you just did post about them<g>. Come on, fess up: do you own an
> LS-17?
>
> --
> David J. Littleboy
> Tokyo, Japan
Yep that LS-17 holds some curiosity for me too.
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chris...@yahoo.de
> sut wrote:
> > On 27 Sep., 12:08, Dan Adler <d...@danadler.com> wrote:
> >> On Sep 27, 12:12 am, Docbop <doc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Just thinking I see a lot of talk about lots of brands of archtops
> >>> online, but rarely see Sadowsky's mentioned. I was just wondering
> >>> why. He has big name endorsors and they look like good guitars for
> >>> the money so why so little talk about them? Any comment pro and con
> >>> on them?
>
> >> Try to search the google group archives, Roger himself posts here
> >> from time to time.
>
> >> -Danhttp://danadler.com
>
> > I have a semi hollow from sadowsky and I love it!
> > Most versatile guitar that i own.
> > If you want to listen :
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcc1dsOftZE
>
> > best from chris
>
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> I liked that a lot. Thanks for posting. Btw, I own a Semi myself. I am
> fortunate enough to own many guitars (I am a small-time collector). If I had
> to keep just ONE electric, it would be the Semi.
Thanks a lot!
chris
Carl
> "Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>> I think you've nailed it. I apologize if I'm wrong, but most of the
>> posts I see her are for the lower-priced, production guitars, Epi's,
>> Eastman's, etc. and occasionally a Gibson 175 or HR Fusion at the
>> somewhat higher end. Rarely do you see posts about any of the
>> higher-priced archtops. Most Sadowsky archtops are in the $4000
>> range. There are several fine luthiers across the country making
>> guitars in that price range and we don't see any of them mentioned
>> here.
>
> The prices seem pretty reasonable to me. The boutique luthiers who
> offer a $4000 instrument are offering a basic model with very little
> ornamentation, and prices go up fast for even the slightest fanciness.
>
>> Sheetsofsound has talked about Painter guitars, which I believe are
>> somewhat less expensive than Sadowsky's, but we don't see any owners
>> posting about those either. In the carved wood arena, we have great
>> luthiers like Mark Campellone building great guitars for $5-6k and
>> there's little chatter about those as well.
>
> One reason for the limited amount of chatter about X is that there's a
> limited number of people chattering here. We just don't have a large
> enough group to have multiple users of any luthier you can name.
>
>
stated my case by implication rather than directly, the point having been
that the limited number of users of this n.g. will limit how much is said
about any one thing. In addition, and I hope I'm not stepping over a line
with this, but it seems to me that a large number of readers of this n.g.
are working musicians seeking good quality working man's instruments and are
not yet ready for the high end stuff.
>
>> I happen to own 3 Sadowskys and 1 Campellone. I just don't post
>> about them here.
>
> Well, you just did post about them<g>. Come on, fess up: do you own an
> LS-17?
>
>
:-)
But sorry to disappoint- I do not own an LS-17. At the time I started
'collecting' Sadowsky guitars, the LS-17 was just a gleam in its father's
eyes. My first acquisition was a Jim Hall. Within a year afterwards, I
acquired an SS-15 (before they were generally available). Mine is one of a
very limited early edition with 15 frets to the body and a 1-11/16 nut. I
got both of those directly from Roger. Shortly after that, I acquired a very
fine used Semi Hollow from a local private seller. I think he was crazy to
let this one go, but he said he had two! With all due respects to Roger and
The Team at Sadowsky Guitars, I think I've demonstrated enough allegiance to
Sadowsky Guitars and an LS-17 is probably not in my near future. It should
be in yours though... ;-)
Bg
but it seems to me that a large number of readers of this n.g.
> are working musicians seeking good quality working man's instruments and are
> not yet ready for the high end stuff.
>
I guess I look at the Sadowsky's as exactly good quality working man's
instruments, and Not High end really.
Any other instrumentalist has to pay many thousands of bucks for a
working grade instrument..
Somehow we guitarists(me included) spend money on amps etc when we
should just get a good instrument to start with,
and I think that's what the Saydowsky's are, good quiality laminate
instruments for the road.
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uiop99
> with this, but it seems to me that a large number of readers of this n.g.
> are working musicians seeking good quality working man's instruments and are
> not yet ready for the high end stuff.
By not yet ready do you mean not wealthy enough or another thing?
Carl
hope there's no offense taken by that observation and there's no sense of
elitism implied. There just seems to me to be more of an emphasis on the
Epi's, Eastman's, and others of that price range in this group. There's no
judgement to be inferred from that implication. I happen to think they are
extraordinarily fine guitars and that some extraordinary work is coming out
in those price ranges. I myself recently fought off the GAS for a particular
Hofner I had seen in a store not long ago, it was that nice and I think the
Conti guitar is probably a great deal.
Musicians, particularly jazz musicians, are often not in it for the money,
but the love of the music. I would trade all of my Sadowskys for one Epi and
the ability to play like so many of you can play.
Carl
not $20,000 collectors pieces, nor hand-made carved top instruments, but, as
you put it, "good quality working man's instruments, and Not High end
really...".
But, while they are made in Japan, Sadowsky spends some 11 hours finishing
them in Brooklyn, and they are impeccably-made laminate guitars- virtually
flawless. My guitar tech, a guy who works on many guitars, and who worked on
my SS-15 recently, remarked on how perfectly intonated that guitar was
compared to other similar instruments he's worked on, and commented on being
able to have achieved that level of perfection in a guitar of that type. My
point being that, for many, $4000 is still a high price point for a guitar.
Though the guitar is certainly worth it, one still has to be able to afford
it.
Phil
OK, Carl. Deal. Send me your Sadowskys. ;)
uiop99
> Yes, I did mean not yet financially comfortable with that price range. I
> hope there's no offense taken by that observation and there's no sense of
> elitism implied. There just seems to me to be more of an emphasis on the
> Epi's, Eastman's, and others of that price range in this group. There's no
> judgement to be inferred from that implication. I happen to think they are
> extraordinarily fine guitars and that some extraordinary work is coming out
> in those price ranges. I myself recently fought off the GAS for a particular
> Hofner I had seen in a store not long ago, it was that nice and I think the
> Conti guitar is probably a great deal.
>
> Musicians, particularly jazz musicians, are often not in it for the money,
> but the love of the music. I would trade all of my Sadowskys for one Epi and
> the ability to play like so many of you can play.
>
>
I'd rather keep playing my modded Artcore and burn the money on
instruction, summer courses abroad, some time in New York, etc. At least
for now.
A have a friend that just bought an upright bass for 15.000 euros, that
he'll have to pay the bank for years and years. Talk about an incentive
to hustle for wedding gigs. We guitarrists are lucky, at least as long
as we want what the masses also want.
NTC
Docbop
realize these guitars were made in Japan and then massaged in to final
shape at Roger's shop in NY. I will put a Sadowsky archtop on my
wishlist and eventually find a deal on a used one. That is how I got
my Sadowsky bass, patience pays off.
Carl
the guys whose videos and mp3's I've seen/heard posted here, the guitars are
yours!
I'll bet a fiddle of gold
Against your soul
'Cause I think I'm better than you
Carl
West Village, the epicenter of NY jazz (you'll never want to go home). You
can offer some jazz guitar instruction in return. :-)
That aside, you made my point. Much as you'd like to have a $4k Sadowsky,
you have other priorities as a working/learning musician. Your Artcore is
sufficient for you.
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I have the semi hollow which is great, I see they have the new 15" up
on the website, has anyone here tried it , comments ?
thx
skip
Carl
that's where I saw the comment), the SS is basically a Semi that is fully
hollow. Of course, it also has only 1 pup. I think it can also be looked at
as a thinner-bodied Jimmy Bruno.
It's the same size and feel as the Semi, but has a more resonant acoustic
tone, and is lighter in weight. It has a LOT of acoustic tonal property by
the way. The SS is surely my favorite practice guitar because of its size
and weight. I no longer play out, and never was a jazz player when I did,
but I believe it would make a great live or studio performance instrument,
being comparable in jazz tone to about anything else you can use.
I also have a Jim Hall, and that might be my favorite-sounding jazz guitar,
but that's such a subjective thing. I think, in the right hands, the SS
would do just as admirable a job (remember, I am not a true jazz musician-
just trying to learn to be one).
As I've said elsewhere in this n.g., if I had to choose just ONE guitar to
keep, it would be the Semi for its versatility (and its feedback
resistance), but the SS would be next on the list.
I'm afraid I'm not great at reviewing guitars, but I hope this helped you a
little.
skip
thx, compared , I would imagine the SS-15 would not have the even
sustain the SH -15 has,
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