Jazz with Les Paul guitar
davi...@mindspring.com
your equipmet setup? Do any of you have MP3 files of your own styles
available?
DavidK
Thomas Stubbs
it was VERY heavy to play for 3 -4 hours.
Jack A. Zucker
mini-humbuckers is a magical one for jazz. It's an awesome tone. After
hearing him for years, I finally bought one and used it very happily for a
couple years but back problems forced me to sell it.
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<davi...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> How many of you gigging players employ the Les Paul model for jazz? What
is
Mary Hahn
jazz sound on the neck pickup. Use 12-52 half-round D'Addarios. Jim
icarusi
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> A local guy uses a Les Paul Deluxe. The combination of the Les Paul
body and
> mini-humbuckers is a magical one for jazz. It's an awesome tone.
After
> hearing him for years, I finally bought one and used it very happily
for a
> couple years but back problems forced me to sell it.
Most of the Gibson/Epiphone Nighthawk series came with the
mini-humbucker (at the neck at least, some with neck and bridge). A
bit bright I would have thought for muted jazz tones but great for
cutting through without using bridge PU.
The Nighthawks are worth checking if weight is a consideration being
7lb comapared to 9+lb for an LP, but still mahogany neck and body. The
Epi NH (with OBLs) has a couple of fixed 'jazz' settings using a
choke/capacitor filter in the switch cavity.
Icarusi
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davi...@mindspring.com
(turned down though) and am trying to get that "Jim Hall" sound and
approach. Does Hall use tranistor or tube amps currently? I know that early
in his career he used a Les Paul, but long ago switched to the hollowbody
type. Do any of you that play out (smallish gigs) think that my setup of the
Paul with a samll solid state amp would get me close to my goal? I don't
expect or want to sound just like Jim Hall....only to embrace his whole
concept.
Davidk
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Stephen G. Carl
Joe Pass sound like Joe Pass using a Fender Jaguar (or is it a
Jazzmaster?). Pat Martino used to sound like Pat Martino using
a Gibson L5S. The sound comes from the player. The guitar and
amp are just tools.
By the way, I used to use a Les Paul Signature (335-style guitar)
and a Strat (with Seymour Duncan 1/4 pounders) and got a
decent jazz sound using either.
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Jack A. Zucker
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> Jack A. Zucker <j...@gwis.com> wrote in message
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> > A local guy uses a Les Paul Deluxe. The combination of the Les Paul
> body and
> > mini-humbuckers is a magical one for jazz. It's an awesome tone.
> After
> > hearing him for years, I finally bought one and used it very happily
> for a
> > couple years but back problems forced me to sell it.
>
> Most of the Gibson/Epiphone Nighthawk series came with the
> mini-humbucker (at the neck at least, some with neck and bridge). A
> bit bright I would have thought for muted jazz tones but great for
> cutting through without using bridge PU.
>
Actually, Gibson has reissued the "real" Epiphone Sheriton. It's an american
made guitar and is pretty much a 335 with ebony board, dot inlays and mini
humbuckers.
When they start showing up on the used market, I may have to get one.
Joey Goldstein
davi...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> To be specific, I use the Les Paul classic with the hot ceramic humuckers
> (turned down though) and am trying to get that "Jim Hall" sound and
> approach. Does Hall use tranistor or tube amps currently? I know that early
> in his career he used a Les Paul, but long ago switched to the hollowbody
> type. Do any of you that play out (smallish gigs) think that my setup of the
> Paul with a samll solid state amp would get me close to my goal? I don't
> expect or want to sound just like Jim Hall....only to embrace his whole
> concept.
IMO If you put a decent PAF style humbucker (like the Duncan '59) in the
neck position of that guitar and a reasonably heavy string set (minimum
.011 for high E) you would have a real good sounding guitar for jazz and
could come real close to copping a Jim Hall-like sound. You should
consider changing the value of the capacitor on the tone pot from .2mf
(the standard these days) to .5mf (the standard in the old days) which
will allow you to get a darker jazz sound.
The main problem with Les Pauls for a jazz player are that they are
uncomfortable to play, especially while seated. Most good jazz players
perform while seated and most players period practice while seated. With
a LP you must wear a shoulder strap and use a footstool. I've heard that
Les Paul used to play these guitars in the classical position with his
left leg on the footstool and the guitar across his left leg. Still,
there is no place to rest your picking arm and the guitars, at least the
good sounding ones, are very heavy. Not a real ergonomically designed
guitar but they do sound great!
Bill Frissell uses an SG I think. Jim Hall may have experimented with
solid body guitars at some point but he has always been an archtop
player. There were no solid body guitars when he started out.
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Adam Bravo
I saw a guy with a semi-hollowbody guitar that said "Les Paul" on the
headstock. But what everybody seems to be talking about is a solid-body.
Also, the guy I saw had a Line 6 amp, which seems to scream, "Modeling!."
Yet he DID have a semi-hollowbody. Can anybody clear up these points?
Also, is an archtop the same as a semi hollowbody? Thanks.
-Adam
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Jack A. Zucker
> (turned down though) and am trying to get that "Jim Hall" sound and
> approach. Does Hall use tranistor or tube amps currently? I know that
early
He's using Polytone amps now. I think those high output ceramic pickups will
cause the guitar to sound harsh. I agree with Joey. Put a Duncan '59 or
something similar in there, a set of light or medium guage flatwounds (Hall
uses light strings) and you should be set.
Stephen G. Carl
a semi-hollowbody, double cutaway. Epiphone now makes a
similar guitar by that name. Gibson also makes some semi-hollow
Les Pauls (Al Dimeola used one the last time I walked out on him)
with f-holes, though I forget what they're called.
I've never used a Line 6 amp, but I believe they are modelling amps.
Generally, when someone mentions an archtop, they are not
talking about a semi-hollowbody.
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Adam Bravo
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neato
<davi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> To be specific, I use the Les Paul classic with the hot ceramic humuckers
> (turned down though) and am trying to get that "Jim Hall" sound and
> approach. Does Hall use tranistor or tube amps currently? I know that early
> in his career he used a Les Paul, but long ago switched to the hollowbody
> type. Do any of you that play out (smallish gigs) think that my setup of the
> Paul with a samll solid state amp would get me close to my goal? I don't
> expect or want to sound just like Jim Hall....only to embrace his whole
> concept.
hall is seen with a black les paul on the cover of the classic first chico
hamilton quintet lp(reissued on cd by pacific jazz-japan...and a great
recording!!) recorded aug 1955..his guitar was plugged directly into the
tube mixing board!...live,of course he had to be using a tube amp back
then, tho i dont know the specific model..on that record he often sounds
to be using the les paul with the pickup switch in the middle,ie both
pickups on with the treble tone control rolled off...
as for your gear, the hardest part for a transistor amp to reproduce is
the sound of preamp tube compression..that first stage when the guitar
hits the preamp...however with some tweaking a similar sound could
probably be had...a 12" speaker or even a 15" would be preferable...try
playing along with an early hall record and dial in a similar tone on your
own gear..its really up to your ears
cheers
all my mistakes were once acts of genius
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sdey...@my-deja.com
>Does Hall use tranistor or tube amps currently?
This is taken from the August '99 issue of Guitar Player (around the time
of the release of Jim Hall and Pat Metheny):
[Hall] plays through a 100-watt, solid-state Walter Woods head
and 1x12 Harry Kolbe cabinet. "The Walter Woods is incredible," Hall
enthuses. "Besides sounding great, it's durable, small, and light --
ideal for traveling." To warm up the amp's clean-as-a-whistle tone, Hall
first sends his signal through a Harry Kolbe JP-1 tube preamp, and then
into the Woods' effects return, bypassing its preamp altogether. "Solid-
state amps give you information," explains Hall, "but nothing personal.
The tube preamp adds character to the sound."
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Before you buy.
Joey Goldstein
Adam Bravo wrote:
>
> Then what is an archtop?
Technically any guitar whose top is arched is an "archtop" guitar. Some
Les Pauls are even "archtops".
But the term is usually reserved for an acoustic guitar, with or without
pickups, with an arched top.
"Semi-acoustic" is usually applied to a guitar like an ES-335 which is a
thin acoustic-like guitar but has a solid piece of wood running down the
middle so it behaves much more like a solid body as far as feedback is
concerned.
ES-335s are "archtop semi-acoustics".
Some Les Pauls are "archtop solid body electrics".
An ES-175 is an "acoustic archtop" with pickups.
Some "acoustic archtops" do not have pickups (L7?).
Most acoustic folk guitars are "flat tops".
Willie K. Yee, MD
the chrome humbuckers. The closest I'll ever get to his concept is
putting down the guitar and listening to one of his CD's.
Jim's present setup is a d'Aquisto with a routed pickup, a Polytone
Megabrain into a 12 cab (can't remember what), and a Digitech pedal.
davi...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> To be specific, I use the Les Paul classic with the hot ceramic humuckers
> (turned down though) and am trying to get that "Jim Hall" sound and
> approach. Does Hall use tranistor or tube amps currently? I know that early
> in his career he used a Les Paul, but long ago switched to the hollowbody
> type. Do any of you that play out (smallish gigs) think that my setup of the
> Paul with a samll solid state amp would get me close to my goal? I don't
> expect or want to sound just like Jim Hall....only to embrace his whole
> concept.
>
> Davidk
> dav...@minspring.com
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>the chrome humbuckers. The closest I'll ever get to his concept is
>putting down the guitar and listening to one of his CD's.
>
my house. Unfortunately, it's not played by me. Maybe when people ask
I should say, "I play guitar and CD player." That would be truth in
advertising.
Max
PJBMHB
>Megabrain into a 12 cab
i though jim used a walter woods amp not a polytone.
=-) PJ
Dunlop212
I would quibble with this; I don't believe that Gibson ever made a
plywood acoustic guitar. It would be more accurate to say that an L5 is
PJBMHB
>i though jim used a walter woods amp not a polytone.
>=-) PJ
er,,, make that thought not though. oops.
=-) PJ
Art Vandelay
ever heard were really light.
Brad
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:25:25 GMT, Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net>
wrote:
Still,
>there is no place to rest your picking arm and the guitars, at least the
>good sounding ones, are very heavy. Not a real ergonomically designed
>guitar but they do sound great!
>
Joey Goldstein
Art Vandelay wrote:
>
> I don't totally agree with this. The best sounding Les Pauls I've
> ever heard were really light.
> Brad
And you want to be my latex salesman! I think not. <g>
> On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:25:25 GMT, Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net>
> wrote:
>
> Still,
> >there is no place to rest your picking arm and the guitars, at least the
> >good sounding ones, are very heavy. Not a real ergonomically designed
> >guitar but they do sound great!
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