Taylor classical for jazz
clean_uranus
I dont play usually play classical guitars but have the opportunity to
acquire a Taylor NS72CE. I understand it's a classical guitar that's
more suited to guitarists more accustomed to steel-stringed guitar
necks than pedigree classical necks.
Anybody played one of these before? Any opinions on how "authentic"
the sound is compared with a conventional classical guitar?
- Eugel
Tom Lippincott
I tried one in a music store and didn't like it at all. It's certainly a well
made guitar, but it really seemed way too far removed from the sound and feel
of a traditional nylon string for my taste (and I'm not exactly a purist; my
nylon string is a Godin Multiac).
It almost seemed like a steel string acoustic that someone had stuck nylon
strings on.
Tom Lippincott
Guitarist, Composer, Teacher
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clean_uranus
Would you say your Godin has a more traditional feel and sound than
the Taylor then? I've tried the Godin - I found the look and body
shape quite distracting. The Taylor is certainly more traditional in
aesthetics. How does the sound compare with the Multiac?
Thanks.
thom_j.
"clean_uranus" <clean_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hmmm. I just did a google and I like the looks at least..
Now only if these A-holes would be lefty friendly..Grrr
t.j.
thom_j.
"Tom Lippincott" <tomli...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> >Hi
> >I dont play usually play classical guitars but have the opportunity to
> >acquire a Taylor NS72CE. I understand it's a classical guitar that's
> >more suited to guitarists more accustomed to steel-stringed guitar
> >necks than pedigree classical necks.
> >Anybody played one of these before? Any opinions on how "authentic"
> >the sound is compared with a conventional classical guitar?
> >
> >- Eugel
> >
>
> I tried one in a music store and didn't like it at all. It's certainly a
well
> made guitar, but it really seemed way too far removed from the sound and
feel
> of a traditional nylon string for my taste (and I'm not exactly a purist;
my
> nylon string is a Godin Multiac).
> It almost seemed like a steel string acoustic that someone had stuck nylon
> strings on.
Tom L.. Do you mean it hales a smaller profile neck and is smaller
at the nut, etc? tia... thom_j.
Al
by them. But I've played a real classical for almost thirty years, and it's
not really meant to be that kind of thing. I eventually bought a Wechter,
which is much closer to what I wanted. They're quite odd looking, with that
double cutaway, but I got over that very quickly. I haven't gigged with it
yet, but it plays and intonates like a dream. It's not as deep as a full
size classical, so it lacks some warmth and presence in the low end, but
it's a pretty cool instrument.
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LarryV
experience is that Taylor's are voiced for a more modern acoustic
sound, which in my opinion translates to being much brighter and
chimey sounding. They just don't have the warm, mellow sound that I
associate with a good acoustic. They are certainly well made guitars,
but the tone doesn't do it for me.
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Tom Lippincott
>I had high expectations for the Taylor nylons, and I was really disappointed
>by them. But I've played a real classical for almost thirty years, and it's
>not really meant to be that kind of thing. I eventually bought a Wechter,
>which is much closer to what I wanted. They're quite odd looking, with that
>double cutaway, but I got over that very quickly. I haven't gigged with it
>yet, but it plays and intonates like a dream. It's not as deep as a full
>size classical, so it lacks some warmth and presence in the low end, but
>it's a pretty cool instrument.
I tried one of those at Jay Wolfe's and really liked it. If they made an 8
string version I'd buy one sight unseen. Like that's gonna happen.
Mondoslug1
I've played a few, IMO they actually sound pretty good plugged in & the
intonation seemed very good. Strictly as an acoustic classical they lack
obviously & the neck's a little thin to me but I thought they sounded nice as a
plugged in tone unto itself.
My tunes at:
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Tom Lippincott
>
>Would you say your Godin has a more traditional feel and sound than
>the Taylor then? I've tried the Godin - I found the look and body
>shape quite distracting. The Taylor is certainly more traditional in
>aesthetics. How does the sound compare with the Multiac?
>Thanks.
>
>- Eugel
I did find the Taylor to be less close to a traditional classical both in feel
and in tone than my Multiac, believe it or not. Granted, I only played the
Taylor unplugged. Even though the Multiac doesn't produce much volume
acoustically, it still has, to my ears, some of that "throatiness" that I
associate with a real classcial and/or flamenco guitar that I just didn't hear
at all in the Taylor. Also, I think the neck on the Multiac is sort of halfway
between a traditional classical, and, say, a strat, whereas the Taylor just
really felt no different from one of their steel string necks.
Tom Lippincott
>> strings on.
>
>Tom L.. Do you mean it hales a smaller profile neck and is smaller
>at the nut, etc? tia... thom_j.
right, exactly. The Multiac is similar but is less radically different than a
classical in those respects, at least that was my impression.
Pat Smith
for the Godin. I use a Gibson Chet Atkins for my gigs, it is a solid
body but is pretty good. The best thing I have heard (also most $$) is
the Kirk Sand guitar.
Pat Smith
Tom Lippincott
>>experience is that Taylor's are voiced for a more modern acoustic
>>sound, which in my opinion translates to being much brighter and
>>chimey sounding. They just don't have the warm, mellow sound that I
>>associate with a good acoustic. They are certainly well made guitars,
>>but the tone doesn't do it for me.
I might add for what it's worth that I really like their steel string
acoustics. I came really close to buying one, but in the end decided I didn't
really need the guitar and couldn't justify spending $2000 on a guitar that I
didn't really "have" to own. So far I've always been able to get away with
borrowing or renting a steel string acoustic for the 1-2 times a year I need
one for a recording session.
George4908
I was hoping to like the Taylor but was roundly disappointed by the sound.
Thin and plinky. Other than a very expensive ($7k) custom-built Wechter, the
best modern classical/electric hybrid I've tried has been a Breedlove. I
haven't tried the Kirk Sand, which has a very good reputation. In the bang for
the buck category, the Godin is pretty good, as long as you're just using it
plugged in. Much less expensive than the Gibsons, which I thought were heavy
and awkward.
thom_j.
"Tom Lippincott" <tomli...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> >> It almost seemed like a steel string acoustic that someone had stuck
nylon
> >> strings on.
> >
> >Tom L.. Do you mean it hales a smaller profile neck and is smaller
> >at the nut, etc? tia... thom_j.
>
> right, exactly. The Multiac is similar but is less radically different
than a
> classical in those respects, at least that was my impression.
Thank you for the input.. t.j.
Al
> Thin and plinky. Other than a very expensive ($7k) custom-built Wechter,
the
> best modern classical/electric hybrid I've tried has been a Breedlove. I
> haven't tried the Kirk Sand, which has a very good reputation. In the
bang for
> the buck category, the Godin is pretty good, as long as you're just using
it
> plugged in. Much less expensive than the Gibsons, which I thought were
heavy
> and awkward.
I bought my Wechter from a friend for $800. I think he paid $1200 or so for
it six months earlier. That was a steal for me -- I own him one. He liked
it a lot, but he has a wrist injury and the neck didn't work for him. It's
fine for me.
The Rick Turner is a nice stage guitar, but it's not an acoustic. The
closest thing I've found to the real thing is that Ramirez that goes for
about two grand. It's a full-size, though, so feedback is a big issue.
Sounds very good though. I had a Chet for a long time, but found it kind of
lifeless and sold it.
clean_uranus
Never heard of Kirk Sand. Tried googol but couldnt locate his site nor
any info about him. His guitars get great reviews though. Beyond my
budget for sure, but hey, a guy can dream.....
- Eugel
Bob R
clean_...@yahoo.com wrote on 5/9/03 5:19 PM:
Try this: http://www.sandguitars.com/
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thomas
classiclay without the double cut.
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thomas
are A Bad Idea. The nylon string needs more room to vibrate. With
the narrow neck, you're always risking accidentally stopping a
string you want ringing. This makes the narrow neck nylons
actually *more* difficult to play than the wide necks.
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Tom Lippincott
>I've come to the conclusion that narrow necked nylon string guitars
>are A Bad Idea. The nylon string needs more room to vibrate. With
>the narrow neck, you're always risking accidentally stopping a
>string you want ringing. This makes the narrow neck nylons
>actually *more* difficult to play than the wide necks.
hmm!, interesting point. I never thought about that but it certainly makes
sense.
Tom Lippincott
I guess it might be worth inquiring, but I can't imagine ever spending more
than 3 or 4 grand on a guitar, even a custom hand made classical guitar.
Tom Lippincott
>classiclay
is that the Clay Moore signature model? heh
MisterCinders
on eBay. The best acoustic I have ever owned. It is not a classical
guitar, but really a nylon string with punch.
I tried the Taylors, both straight and amplified, before buying the
Wechter and they just sounded dead in comparison.
MisterCinders
thinner neck of my Wechter. I'm not sure why a nylon string needs
more room to vibrate, but I've not had the problem of accidentally
stopping strings.
Going between this and my H-575, it does take a couple of minutes to
adjust.
saulekas
my country I found a person who will ship it from Canada for a fair
price. However I have NEVER tried it, it is like a marriage through
the internet:)but I feel that this woman is just for me:)I cannot
decide if I should take DUET or SA model. DUET has a mic that SA
doesn't, but does it serve a better quality sound on stage, or is it
only for studio??what about using godin multiac with electric guitar
amp?using SA>>MIXER?
SAULIUS
Jay Wolfe
> I played classical for years and it took about a week to adapt to the
> thinner neck of my Wechter. I'm not sure why a nylon string needs
> more room to vibrate, but I've "not" had the problem of accidentally
> stopping strings.
>
Jay Wolfe Chimes in:
That's been my experience with my WECHTER Pathmaker nylon string,
which I've been playing more & more lately. I'm sure it depends on
several things, like:
* playing style * finger size * string spacing
Most mainly "electric" player like myself are very uncomfortable
on a real classical guitar, with the 2+ inch nut width neck. I tend to
pull notes sharp,
and generally whine a lot. I'll stick to my treasured Wechter.
Jay Wolfe.......www.wolfeguitars.com
Al
> on eBay. The best acoustic I have ever owned. It is not a classical
> guitar, but really a nylon string with punch.
>
> I tried the Taylors, both straight and amplified, before buying the
> Wechter and they just sounded dead in comparison.
I agree. My Wechter Pathmaker Elite is really alive and punchy, much more
than the Taylors. I love the look of the Taylors much more though. Pretty
instruments.
Al
> are A Bad Idea. The nylon string needs more room to vibrate. With
> the narrow neck, you're always risking accidentally stopping a
> string you want ringing. This makes the narrow neck nylons
> actually *more* difficult to play than the wide necks.
I kind of agree on this. Wechter makes three widths. Mine is the middle.
I'd get the wider one next time. Narrow is fine for single line stuff, but
for chording and fingerstyle I think wider is better. I might eventually
sell mine and get another one.