Re: Jimmy Bruno furore
Pat Smith
greatest". The greatest is a personal choice as there is no olympic
guitar event. JB is a damn fine player and if you like Pat Metheny
better, more power to ya.
I am so happy you are part of the "pro jazz" community, I would like to
buy your CD, where can I get one? I will be glad to play it on my
internet radio (Pat's Guitar Jazz) so that you can be heard in 60 countries.
And please if you are going to be an insulting troll, have the guts to
use your real name.
All the Best
Pat
http://www.live365.com/stations/pat_smith
PS there is no e in furor
–noun
1. a general outburst of enthusiasm, excitement, controversy, or the like.
2. a prevailing fad, mania, or craze.
3. fury; rage; madness.
jzgt...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am an occasional lurker here from the AAJ website. Yesterday I
> logged on here and checked out all of the stuff on Bruno.
> I was surprised to see JB himself posts here!
>
> Anyway, I am a lifelong musician/jazz guit player. My background is
> Boston and NY. Studied at Berklee in the late 70's.
> I first heard of JB round '95. The word was out that this amazing new
> player was on the scene. I was eagerly looking forward to hearing him
> in NYC. I wasn't on the 'net yet then, so the first time I heard him
> was at Birdland...and the hype was huge. Lots of talk amongst my
> students of "greatest jazz guitarist alive" etc etc.
>
> Well, the truth is it was all total bs hype. JB is an ok player, but
> nothing more than that. His "legend" has been hyped by the large
> amateur jazz guitar fanbase he has (as this group eloquently
> illustrates). The only people who are saying JB is the "greatest" are
> (decent) folks who don't yet have anywhere near the ears to be able to
> distinguish these things. Amongst the pro jazz guitar community JB
> doesn't even register, and is sometimes a horrible embarrassment, who
> perpetuates the stereotype that jazz guitar players aren't really
> musicians in the fullest modern sense.
> The comparison with a Pat Metheny is worthy of a snl comedy segment.
> Metheny is a genius who comes around once a generation, JB is a guitar
> player who relies totally on silly finger patterns played with a
> stilted feel. JB has no voice or concept behind what he does. It is
> pure pastiche, and corny pastiche at that!
>
> Thing is, no-one would bother about this inconsequential stuff if it
> wasn't for JB puffing himself up with hot air and constantly
> projecting the air of "master".
> Here in NY there are MANY kids half his age who play circles around
> him in every aspect. There is no concept behind his brand of finger
> patterns. It is all guitar "music" played with the corniest time and
> feel available. He doesn't even realize how embarrasing it is.
>
> To all the amateur beginner fans, I am sure JB has some good stuff to
> impart to you, but do be aware that there is much much more to music
> than just stringing together a few techniques. JB doesn't have a voice
> or vision of his own, yet, so you best be looking to the real masters
> like Frisell or poor old Metheny.
>
> Reading the posts here, I can tell JB has a very healthy ego and
> opinion of himself (which is so far out of proportion with the reality
> it is stupefying), and he probably has to keep projecting that stance
> to preserve his teaching thing and to keep convincing his amateur
> students that he is the greatest and the only "no-nonsense" guy out
> there. He probably does fill the role of beginner jazz guitar teacher
> well, beginners dont need much more, but people should know the truth
> that JB hasn't even reached past the late intermediate stages of this
> music himself.
>
> Hope this reality check helps some people out and finally exposes the
> truth
>
> JW
andy...@mailinator.com
dreamer","the way you look tonight" and "like that".
I have not being listeing to your CD as you dont have one ...
I dont recollect Frank Sinatras agent , phoning you to join his band.
I am sure you have not played any LA studio gigs.
The reason is that YOU have no talent and cannot take the PRESSURE
that a real pro jazz musician must deal with.
so go scuttle of to your real job....donkey.
signed
andy-uk
ray...@yahoo.com
> I can't recall anyone, let alone Jimmy Bruno claiming he is "the
> greatest". The greatest is a personal choice as there is no olympic
> guitar event. JB is a damn fine player and if you like Pat Metheny
> better, more power to ya.
> I am so happy you are part of the "pro jazz" community, I would like to
> buy your CD, where can I get one? I will be glad to play it on my
> internet radio (Pat's Guitar Jazz) so that you can be heard in 60 countries.
> And please if you are going to be an insulting troll, have the guts to
> use your real name.
> All the Best
>
> PS there is no e in furor
> –noun
> 1. a general outburst of enthusiasm, excitement, controversy, or the like.
> 2. a prevailing fad, mania, or craze.
> 3. fury; rage; madness.
>
I agree with you that he should have the guts to come into the light.
But I don't agree with you about "furore". It has a variant spelling.
From Merriam Webster:
furore
One entry found.
furore
Main Entry:
fu·rore Listen to the pronunciation of furore
Pronunciation:
\ˈfyu̇r-ˌȯr, -ər, especially British fyu̇-ˈrȯ-ri\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Italian, from Latin furor
Date:
1790
1 : furor 3 2 : furor 4b
DaveB
<jzgt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0283553b-3ce8-44f3...@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
LET THE FLAMING BEGIN!!!
But seriously now folks, you got to admit this guy is a classic example of a
school yard bully who, under the cover of "Internet Anonymity" chooses to
post such a flaming and absurd dialog. I mean really, he knows JB will read
it, he knows the rest of the group will go nuts (at least most of us). At
the same time I'd assume he knows we know JB has performed and recorded with
many of his contemporary jazz greats so none of what he is saying holds any
water. I mean, sure, JB has a earthy, old school, way about his art but so
did (do) many of the great jazz musicians throughout history. It's really
this whacked out, self-righteous, morons that give jazz a bad name. Talk
about ego... yikes! This is like some kind of experiment, baiting everyone
so he can sit back and watch the flame wars. Don't take the bait.
Jimmy, my dear departed Mother had words of wisdom for these situations,
"Don't argue with crazy people!".
Pat Smith
Italian, from Latin furor
Jazzoid
Didn't you date this guys sister for a while?
Ron
ZootSuit
Gee, you must one heck of a player to have such strong opinions ...
Could we hear some of your clips ?
Anyway you could play like Metheny, what you wrote does not deserve
any respect.
johnny...@yahoo.com
> him in every aspect.
http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=trace&host=24.108.94.8
here in NY, Canada?
Nil
rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz:
> Hope this reality check helps some people out and finally exposes
> the truth
The truth: this is a transparent troll.
Paul K
On 2/11/08 7:59 PM, in article
0283553b-3ce8-44f3...@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
"jzgt...@gmail.com" <jzgt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am an occasional lurker here from the AAJ website.
What's AAJ?
Paul K
Tim McNamara
<0283553b-3ce8-44f3...@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
jzgt...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am an occasional lurker here from the AAJ website. Yesterday I
> logged on here and checked out all of the stuff on Bruno.
> I was surprised to see JB himself posts here!
>
> Anyway, I am a lifelong musician/jazz guit player. My background is
> Boston and NY. Studied at Berklee in the late 70's.
<snip>
And you're who now? What albums have you played on? Which top drawer
musicians such as Pat Martino or Joey DeFrancesco recognize your body of
work?
As the Irish say- "What're yis talkin' about? Or do yis know whatjer
talkin' about?"
Gerry
Nothing could be MORE transparent. Please guys: this is a test.
--
///---
Phil T
Shaw Cable. That's in western Canada.
Dom Minasi
>
> "jzgtr...@gmail.com" <jzgtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
>
> > I am an occasional lurker here from the AAJ website.
>
> What's AAJ?
>
> Paul K
I've been reading these posts for the last few days.I didn't want to
get involved, but this one is a little too much. I personally think it
has gotten totally out of hand. Jimmy has a right to his own opinion
whatever it is as do the rest of you, but to attack him the way jzgtr
has, is absolutely ridiculous. I've seen Jimmy play 'live' at the Jazz
Improv Convention and he is no slouch. He's a be-bopper and really
good one. And since I've been part of the NY Jazz Scene, I think I
know what I am talking about. Anyone who lashes out the way he just
did, must be very doubtful about his own playing and very intimidated
by anyone of Jimmy's stature. This is a big problem in the jazz
community, especially among guitarists, instead of standing together
no matter what kind of music they play or like,through jealously or
fear and they re-treat to their own separate corners and come out
fighting. It is not cool at all!
ken
>
> "jzgtr...@gmail.com" <jzgtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
>
> > I am an occasional lurker here from the AAJ website.
>
> What's AAJ?
AAJ is All About Jazz, I think...
I thought this guy was just another one of the regulars with a new
email address. It's funny how when things get really hot around here,
all of a sudden all these people who never posted before (or post here
all the time with another account!) show up and fling all this shit
around. It's pretty funny.
I bet this is just another one of those....
Ken
Gerry
> "jzgtr...@gmail.com" <jzgtr...@gmail.com> puked for a few minutes, and
> then this::
> I've been reading these posts for the last few days.I didn't want to
> get involved, but this one is a little too much
Oh jesus...
Have you guys in rmmgj gotten so use to our cloistered enclave of
general civility that you don't recognize flame bait? It's a TROLL!
Helloooo?!?
Must we all line up to jump like a monkey for the every idiot standing
at cages-edge with a banana? Really?
We've already got 3 or four other "We Love You Jimmy" or "Apologies to
Jimmy", let it fucking go. Jimmy doesn't want to see it. Who does?
--
///---
Laissez-faire
Probably a new email alias from the goon that tried to start the
Metheny vs Bruno crap.
Joey Goldstein
As spineless as it is to post something like this without giving your
name....
And even though I know it's a complete troll...
It's worth noting that in certain pockets of the jazz guitar community
your attitudes about Jimmy would probably really be held by some people.
But in other pockets of the jazz guitar community many of the same
attitudes, as well as a whole host of others, are probably held against Pat.
I.e. Pat's style and approach really does piss off a large number of
more traditionally oriented jazz guitar fans. And many of the fans of
Metheny probably have a serious dislike of what JB likes to play.
And neither side is more "right" than the other.
As far as I'm concerned, they're both worth of my respect because
they've both managed to have extremely successful careers, not just as
guitarists, but as jazz guitarists. That's not an easy thing to pull
off, for anybody.
And you've really got no call to make comments like that without telling
us who you are and giving us some links to clips of your playing.
Pending that, go fuck yourself.
--
Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
Alex
if you are going to post shit like that, at least be a man and put
your name along with it, asshole
tomb...@jhu.edu
Isn't that the same ISP Max Leggett uses?
theappoint...@gmail.com
> patterns. It is all guitar "music" played with the corniest time and
> feel available. He doesn't even realize how embarrasing it is.
>
> To all the amateur beginner fans, I am sure JB has some good stuff to
> impart to you, but do be aware that there is much much more to music
> than just stringing together a few techniques. JB doesn't have a voice
> or vision of his own, yet, so you best be looking to the real masters
> like Frisell or poor old Metheny.
>
> Reading the posts here, I can tell JB has a very healthy ego and
> opinion of himself (which is so far out of proportion with the reality
> it is stupefying), and he probably has to keep projecting that stance
> to preserve his teaching thing and to keep convincing his amateur
> students that he is the greatest and the only "no-nonsense" guy out
> there. He probably does fill the role of beginner jazz guitar teacher
> well, beginners dont need much more, but people should know the truth
> that JB hasn't even reached past the late intermediate stages of this
> music himself.
>
> Hope this reality check helps some people out and finally exposes the
> truth
>
> JW
" Amongst the pro jazz guitar community ....."
Not to play "gotcha", or attribute your words/opinions to these
people, who would you say are some of the members of that community ?
In my own opinion, there just aren't many heavy players these days.
Since I'm always looking to expand my musical world, drop some names,
and I'll pick up a few CD's.
Thanks for your help.
tonyde...@gmail.com
With you there, Dom.
-TD
Joey Goldstein
It's true.
Guitar players don't hang together the way horn players do.
Probably 'cause horn players are always playing in sections.
I hate all other guitar players. They make me feel weak and puny.
Stop me before I kill again!!!!!!
Joe Finn
Nobody can trace an ip, right? Does anybody really still believe the
internet is anonymous? Get a grip dood.
fyi:
Jimmy Bruno's "Solo" recording compares favorably with the best recorded
work of Joe Pass. With the rhythm section Jimmy is a bop monster of the
first magnitude.
We would all love to know who the heck you are, too btw. In the meantime
grow a pair of real ones or take a hike.
.......joe
--
Visit me on the web www.JoeFinn.net
<jzgt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0283553b-3ce8-44f3...@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Guys,
>
Dave
> traditionally oriented jazz guitar fans.
I can understand someone not liking it, but...pissed off?
Joey Goldstein
Hey, some people are still pissed off at Charlie Parker and Dizzy for
ruining jazz.
Gerry
> Dave wrote:
>>> I.e. Pat's style and approach really does piss off a large number of
>>> more traditionally oriented jazz guitar fans.
>>
>> I can understand someone not liking it, but...pissed off?
>>
>
> Hey, some people are still pissed off at Charlie Parker and Dizzy for
> ruining jazz.
They could have at least apologized.
--
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Peter
Oddly enough, that is exactly what has been in the back of my mind
these past few days. I started off playing the trombone at an early
age, and while my chops are pretty rusty, I still enjoy listening to
great jazz trombonists and often check in to trombone forums and see
what is going on. I don't think I have ever witnessed the type of
animosity amongst bone players that I have amongst guitar players.
Bone players in the forum are, for the most part, kind, helpful, witty
--- it is always an enjoyable experience.
I've thought about this a lot and try to come up with theories. My
latest theory is that, as a trombone player, your chances of fame and
fortune are slim to none, compared to the many avenues available to
the guitarist (rock, country, etc.). As such, you sort of cast your
ego to the wind and realize that you are doing it because you love it.
There isn't a competetive gunslingers mentality. Furthermore, bone
players are forced to work and get along with others as solo t-bone
gigs just don't exist.
Really, I just don't understand it, but I am trying to.
woland99
> opinion of himself (which is so far out of proportion with the reality
> it is stupefying)
And you do not have an ego?
What kind of misguided quest for truth are you on?
> He probably does fill the role of beginner jazz guitar teacher
> well, beginners dont need much more, but people should know the truth
> that JB hasn't even reached past the late intermediate stages of this
> music himself.
Truth is Jimmy is dedicated and successful teacher - I cannot say
I know all that much about his own music but what I heard was good.
Now who exactly are YOU? An how many people did you help in their
studies of jazz guitar?
One word for you - Herostrates.
Sean
It ain't me!
Sean
But he doesn't have h or y on his computer.
jimmyb
> What a transparent troll crock!
>
> Nobody can trace an ip, right? Does anybody really still believe the
> internet is anonymous? Get a grip dood.
>
> fyi:
>
> Jimmy Bruno's "Solo" recording compares favorably with the best recorded
> work of Joe Pass. With the rhythm section Jimmy is a bop monster of the
> first magnitude.
>
> We would all love to know who the heck you are, too btw. In the meantime
> grow a pair of real ones or take a hike.
> .......joe
>
> --
I was wondering when he would show up. I know who he his. He is
decribing himself. Thanks for all the support. It doesn't bother me
one bit. I know him
jimmyb
Tell that to George Benson and Johnny Smith, Howard Alden, Jack
Wilkins, Larry Carlton, the late Michael Brecker, John Abercrombie,
Frank Vignola, Mike Stern, Alan Holsdworth, Jim Hall, Mundell Lowe.,
Joe Pass, Kenny Burell, Joe Diorio, Hank Garland, Herb Ellis, Tal
farlow, Pat MArtino, Earl Klugh, Stanely Clark, Billy Cobham, Mulgrew
Miller, Christian McBride etc etc. None of them can hear and are
amatuers according to you. Know what they are saying about you -
NOTHING!
jimmyb
You forget, I know who you are. Don't be so stupid and naive. Talk
about burning bridges, you're a master
jimmyb
Wish I could post what my management sent me. I'll catch shit for
this but - fuck it!
crip...@aol.com
<What's AAJ?>
Ass-clowns And Jack-offs
Joey Goldstein
>
> You forget, I know who you are. Don't be so stupid and naive. Talk
> about burning bridges, you're a master
So who is it?
Gerry
> On Feb 11, 11:54 pm, "Joe Finn" <J...@JoeFinn.net> wrote:
>> What a transparent troll crock!
>
> And what a transparent crock coming from you since you are one of the
> masters of posting negative shit about people and then hiding behind
> your almanac as if you're the wise old sage of the group.
And now you yourself are posting negative shit completely unrelated to
anything but trolldom. So exactly what's the difference? Oh, I
remember, you've got some kind of "very good reason".
Flame bait is flame bait, and that's just what you just puked up.
--
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335p...@gmail.com
> Hope this reality check helps some people out and finally exposes the
> truth
>
> JW
That was lame and pathetic. I've got a few of JB's recordings and they
all have something good to offer. Anyone who can hang with Joey
DeFrancesco and make a record with him has my respect. I was wondering
if you can hang with people like Joey D. I'm guessing you can't.
Jimmy's Concord album with Howard Alden is really great too as is his
more recent Solo guitar CD.
tomb...@jhu.edu
It didn't come from his computer.
sheets
> Flame bait is flame bait, and that's just what you just puked up.
> --
> ///---
I had deleted my posting but thanks to you, it will now live on in
infamy. :)
tomb...@jhu.edu
> A Saturday Night Live skit about Jimmy Bruno and Pat Metheny would be
> hilarious, all right. I can just picture it...
Joe Piscopo and Dana Carvey?
Gerry
Dang--I knew somehow or other it would be my fault.
It's heartening to think you had second thoughts. Now if you can get
to first thoughts, I'll vanish. Isnt' that something to strive for!
Actually, deleting posts from google's reader is well and good, but it
lives on in usenet whether you delete it there or not.
--
///---
sheets
I think it sends a delete message to the usenet news servers too but
it probably takes them a while to propogate.
Nil
rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz:
> I think it sends a delete message to the usenet news servers too
> but it probably takes them a while to propogate.
I think it doesn't, but even if it did, most news servers don't honor
cancel messages.
Once you post to usenet, you should consider it to be permanent. You
can never kill it, and it's likely be archived somewhere. It's now on
your resume.
Gerry
>> Actually, deleting posts from google's reader is well and good, but it
>> lives on in usenet whether you delete it there or not.
>
> I think it sends a delete message to the usenet news servers too but
> it probably takes them a while to propogate.
Really? That wasn't my understanding. I'll check that out and let you
know what I find.
--
///---
Gerry
Jeez, I wish that was the low my point of my resume...
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Charlie X
Comparing to pat metheny? Pat is a beginner compared to jb...nothing
against pat.. but this guy asked for truth.
Is he nuts or just deaf?
Gerry
It's a troll. The only logic, is amusement at our ire.
No implications for Berklee, males, Canadians, guitarists, good
guitarists, bad guitarists. Implications for trolls alone.
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tonyde...@gmail.com
More like a vendetta.
Ars est celare artem
-TD
Dave
> ruining jazz.
Hehe...I s'pose that's true. Although aren't those people dead, yet?
Joey Goldstein
You're both nuts, and deaf.
Gerry
<90471f64-3d72-43c2...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
sheets <jackz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 11:54 pm, "Joe Finn" <J...@JoeFinn.net> wrote:
> > What a transparent troll crock!
>
> And what a transparent crock coming from you since you are one of the
> masters of posting negative shit about people and then hiding behind
> your almanac as if you're the wise old sage of the group.
Loaded up another news-reader and read in the posts over the last few
weeks. Pulled this one right up just like any other.
It seems that deleting a post on google groups, does not effect other
usenet storage.
--
I do not agree that the layman's opinion is less of a valid judgement of music
than that of a professional musician. In fact I would often rely more on the
judgement of a sensitive layman than that of a professional, since a
professional, because of his constant involvment with the mechanics of music,
must fight to preserve a naiveté that the layman already possesses.
-- Bill Evans
Dan Adler
> patterns. It is all guitar "music" played with the corniest time and
> feel available. He doesn't even realize how embarrasing it is.
>
> To all the amateur beginner fans, I am sure JB has some good stuff to
> impart to you, but do be aware that there is much much more to music
> than just stringing together a few techniques. JB doesn't have a voice
> or vision of his own, yet, so you best be looking to the real masters
> like Frisell or poor old Metheny.
>
> Reading the posts here, I can tell JB has a very healthy ego and
> opinion of himself (which is so far out of proportion with the reality
> it is stupefying), and he probably has to keep projecting that stance
> to preserve his teaching thing and to keep convincing his amateur
> students that he is the greatest and the only "no-nonsense" guy out
> there. He probably does fill the role of beginner jazz guitar teacher
> well, beginners dont need much more, but people should know the truth
> that JB hasn't even reached past the late intermediate stages of this
> music himself.
>
> truth
>
> JW
Maybe this JW? It's definitely not Jack Wilkins...
tonyde...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Intriguing detective work , Dan
-TD
Todd Lainhart
No, it's not Jon. I'm the "Lainhart" of "lainhart.net", and that's an
interview of Jon that I did a while back for JJG. Jon also has some
master classes at Mike's Master Classes. He doesn't read this group,
is another incredible player, and doesn't have a nasty bone in his
body - he would never do anything like this to a fellow player or
human being.
The original poster is a troll, and I would expect the "JW" signature
to be fake, maybe even to discredit another player.
They're really coming out of the woodwork...
pmfan57
>
> - Show quoted text -
Good to hear that.
Don
There was a bit from JB regarding CC awhile back... we don't really
need to investigate whether it's him or not, not worth the effort...
Don
> Charlie X wrote:
> > wow..is this what Berklee does to people?
> > Comparing to pat metheny? Pat is a beginner compared to jb...nothing
> > against pat.. but this guy asked for truth.
> > Is he nuts or just deaf?
>
> You're both nuts, and deaf.
>
the same CharlieX.
klen...@gmail.com
I have a friend who was a student of Jon Wheatley as a kid and was a
*very* strong player by the time he got to college and was still in
awe of Jon at that point... would have been really surprised if this
had been him... plus, I got the feeling JW was a local Boston hero who
hadn't gone to NY...
channin...@gmail.com
fits this profile and wording much more closely. While it is common
knowledge that Wilkins is a better player than Wheatley, is is also
well known that he is very loyal to Berklee, Metheny and Frizzell.
Perhaps this accounts for his posting.
hw
<channin...@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:8cb811f9-b1f9-4e76...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
man, what is wrong with all these new people in this NG? Not a single
constructive post yet, but already happy to take part in a witchhunt.
Bob Russell
> <channing.wil...@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:8cb811f9-b1f9-4e76...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Yeah. Hasn't anyone stopped to think that randomly accusing people in
a public forum might be considered completely uncool?
unknownguitarplayer
Good point!
Suggested reading before we fricassee the next victim:
tonyde...@gmail.com
<unknownguitarpla...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Feb 14, 10:28 am, Bob Russell <bobruss...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 14, 8:41 am, "hw" <nospam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > <channing.wil...@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:8cb811f9-b1f9-4e76...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > John Wilkins ( * NOT * Jack Wilkins ) who teaches at Berklee surely
> > > > fits this profile and wording much more closely. While it is common
> > > > knowledge that Wilkins is a better player than Wheatley, is is also
> > > > well known that he is very loyal to Berklee, Metheny and Frizzell.
> > > > Perhaps this accounts for his posting.
>
> > > man, what is wrong with all these new people in this NG? Not a single
> > > constructive post yet, but already happy to take part in a witchhunt.
>
> > Yeah. Hasn't anyone stopped to think that randomly accusing people in
> > a public forum might be considered completely uncool?
>
> Good point!
>
> Suggested reading before we fricassee the next victim:
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Extraordinary-Popular-Delusions-Madness-Crowds/...
Indeed, by continuing this ramble, we give the Thread creator
unlimited power, as handed on a silver platter. Best to "pay no dumb
shit no rabbit as mind." If not, we will surely witness a certain
exodus ensuing.
-TD
Mike C.
Wheatley). I also tend to disagree that John Wilkins is a better player than
Jon; Jon Wheatley is one of the most focused, advancing players that I've
ever known, and he has an encyclopedic knowledge of tunes. The only reason
that he's not more well-known is because his marketing/promotional skills
are very old-school, in that he's not a presence on the web, and he gets his
numerous gigs via word of mouth. He's probably the best jazz guitarist in
New England.
--
Mike C.
http://mikecrutcher.com
"A great percentage of people don't want a challenge. They want
something done to them, they don't want to participate. But there'll
always be maybe 15% that desire something more, and they'll search it
out. And maybe that's where art is."
- Bill Evans
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vmcaamano
You make some harsh inaccurate statements. My experience as a lifelong
jazz listener and a player for ~20 years may not be as mature as some.
Despite this, I enjoy listening to Jimmy. I also have been studying
with him on his website, JBGI. I've studied with many, including
master classes with Pat Metheny. Jimmy has made the best connection
for me. His approach is original and makes sense. At no time do I
perceive that he isp"uffing himself up with hot air and constantly
projecting the air of "master". " That is inaccurate and rude
conjecture. We don't need that level of conversation on this list
serve.
Victor
Gerry
> Indeed, by continuing this ramble, we give the Thread creator
> unlimited power, as handed on a silver platter. Best to "pay no dumb
> shit no rabbit as mind." If not, we will surely witness a certain
> exodus ensuing.
I don't know how many times I've heard THAT!
--
-- Gerry
charles robinson
that idiot anyway?
Charlie
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>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Intriguing detective work , Dan
>
>
Hmmmmmm.... Intriguing as well....
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/archive/index.php/t-336756.html
hw
"charles robinson" <robins...@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> This is worse than that Stanley Jordan incident of a few years back. Who
> was that idiot anyway?
> Charlie
I think he was called Hollywood*something*...
charles robinson
his presence here.
Charlie
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Chickenhead
1. Who the f**k are you? Mozart? [directed to the OP]. JB has the respect
of legion of world-class jazz icons, so who the f**k are you that I should
take your word over theirs?
2. Playing with Sinatra and Joey DeFrancesco is "late intermediate?" You
think Joey DeFrancesco's time is "corny" and "stilted?" Yeah, right. Joey
D can choose to play with any freakin' guitar player he wants; I sincerely
doubt he'd choose JB if JB's time was corny and stilted. If Joey's D's time
is "corny" and "stilted," I'll take corny and stilted, thank you very much.
3. Jimmy doesn't need our, or anyone's defense, but this "pisses me off,
and not just in an internet kind of way."
4. Even if everything else you said was true, which it isn't, I have yet to
see a post from JB "puffing himself with hot air and constantly projecting
the air of 'master.'" JB comes across as a pro who has done some remarkable
gigs with great players, who basically just says "this is what I've done,
this is what I've seen." If he has an "opinion" on something he never comes
across as being the last word unless he's defending someone. I have yet to
see JB express a mean or malicious opinion about anyone who wasn't begging
for an ass whipping. Yes, he's proud of what he's accomplished as a jazz
musician. He should be. I would be too, if I had his resume. Hell, I'm
even proud of what little bit I've accomplished myself. If I had JB's
resume, I'd be shouting it from the rooftops and probably a lot less humble
about it than JB.
5. No disrespect towards Metheny, who is a truly great musician, but even
Metheny has moments of mediocrity. I'm not entering this Bruno versus
Metheny crap. They are both great musicians. Metheny was a brilliant young
musician from a musical family; he obtained popstar status at a very young
age. He's a great musician, but it also probably helped that he was young,
cute, chicks dug him, and he had big hair, symmetrical features, and good
teeth. Yes, he was good enough to teach at Berklee at a very young age.
Lot's of cats, including Bruno and DeCaprio were out gigging with masters at
that same age. I think Bobby Broom started gigging with masters even
younger than Metheny. Metheny's mentor at that time was Gary Burton, who
was a bigwig at Berklee, so it's no surprise Metheny ended up teaching
there.
6. I probably wouldn't last five minutes in NYC, but I manage to make a
living as a "pro" jazz guitar player in my little neck of the woods
(Seattle). BFD. In my case, it's probably more a matter of communication
and business skills than talent. Do I qualify to be in the "pro jazz guitar
community." Aww, forget it, probably not. But somehow my beginner ears
aren't hearing JB the way your "pro" ears are. Do you have some examples
you can point to?
7. No one, including JB himself, seems to be claiming that JB is the Second
Coming, Mozart, or whatever. He's just damned good and deserves some
respect for what he's accomplished and whom he's played with.
8. Who are these kids in NY that can "play circles around JB?"
9. If the world is full of kids that can play can play circles around JB,
then I'm a complete sham and have no business playing music for a living.
That's pretty depressing; I think I'll just continue with my little fantasy
world of respecting JB, Joey DeFrancesco, Sinatra, etc., and, BTW, paying my
motherfreakin' mortgage by performing jazz. And, despite my pseudonym,
"Chickenhead," all the regulars here know who I am and what my real name is.
So, my point is this: Who the f**k are you, that we should give your little
opinion such weight against the legion of both world-famous jazz musicians,
local guys who may not be famous but are still making a living as pro jazz
players, and our own ears?
10. Aside from yourself, who is in this "pro jazz guitar community" that
considers JB a "horrible embarrassment" and not a "musician in the fullest
modern sense?"
11. I hear a lot of crap from you about having a JB not having "voice," and
his playing being "pastiche." As far as I know, what you call "pastiche,"
i.e., borrowing from other sources, is an essential and integral part of the
jazz tradition. It seems to work for the Marsalis family, George Benson,
and every great freakin' jazz musician since 1900. What you seem to hear
and call "pastiche" is what most pros call The Tradition. Ignore it at your
peril. If you teach jazz or guitar, I sincerely hope you are not advising
your students to ignore it.
11. Since you won't put your real name on the line, and have nothing to
back up your opinion, why should we consider you anything other than just
another nutball sociopathic internet stalker with too much time on your
hands and a regular government check for your paranoid schizophrenia or some
similar mental disability?
12. Like Joe Finn (another great musician and true professional) said:
Come back when you've grown a real pair.
* I use the pseudonym to reduce spam, so that potential clients don't google
up my name and decide not to hire me because they don't like my politics, so
that I don't have explain every stupid thing I've ever written to everyone
in the universe, and so that I don't end up on some no-fly-terrorist list
because I happened to mention that George W. Bush is an asshole. Who I am
is freely known and available to everyone on RMMGJ.
<tonyde...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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pmfan57
> Hmmmmmm.... Intriguing as well....http://www.thegearpage.net/board/archive/index.php/t-336756.html
Well, this last one is clearly the guy. Same posting name as well.
It's funny that Johnny Smith, Hank Garland and George Benson are/(were
in the case of Hank) fans of Jimmy Bruno. That's not an "artificial
fan base" or whatever he said. And Stanley Clarke talks about him in
a pretty respectful way too.
Hank used to participate in Jimmy's chat room. It was a surprise when
participants realized they were chatting with THE Hank Garland, not
just somebody with that posting name.
tonyde...@gmail.com
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Intriguing detective work , Dan
>
> > -TD-
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
You got it. So, San Diego. Well it definitely ain't Rick Ross.
-TD
Dan Adler
At the Barney Kessel event at Birdland a few years back, Jimmy played
a few tunes and then stepped outside and after a whole parade of other
players, Benson called out from the audience: "Bring Bruno back!".
True story. I was there.
Gerry
>
> Hmmmmmm.... Intriguing as well....
> http://www.thegearpage.net/board/archive/index.php/t-336756.html
Getting closer all the time to Jeff in Jamul, California:
http://www.setbb.com/axefx/viewtopic.php?p=22146&sid=684cc42121460d4b1dfc4f1fa6d59852&mforum=axefx
--
-- Gerry
Gerry
"rock, blues and fusion" on his Les Paul during his "midlife crisis".
http://www.gadowguitars.com/smf-forums/index.php?topic=198.0
It's creepy what the internet remembers about you....
--
-- Gerry
Paul K
On 2/14/08 4:38 PM, in article s5udnWH7cd9WKSna...@comcast.com,
"Chickenhead" <NOSPkurt...@THANKhotmYOUail.com> wrote:
>
> 10. Aside from yourself, who is in this "pro jazz guitar community" that
> considers JB a "horrible embarrassment" and not a "musician in the fullest
> modern sense?"
I do. I consider Jeb Bush to be a horrible embarrassment. Not as bad as his
brother, though. I never heard him play though, so he could be a monster
musician.
Oh sorry, you said "pro jazz guitar" community. Never mind.
Paul K.
Chickenhead
he's being shammed by Jimmy. ;-)
We already know that Joey DeFrancesco is as deaf as a doornail -- I mean
what would Francesco know? Just because he has perfect pitch, perfect
photographic aural recall, and who can play any damned thing he's ever
heard, that doesn't mean he has good ears? Certainly, Joey DeFrancesco
wouldn't have the sophisticated ears of our Bruno-bashing troll.
Thank goodness someone finally spoke up so that weak-eared musicians like
Benson and DeFrancesco can stop being fooled by Jimmy.
"Dan Adler" <d...@danadler.com> wrote in message
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Good going Gerry. Now I an bugged.
Let me make a few phone calls noiw.
-T
Paul K
On 2/14/08 10:28 AM, in article
e220db10-fe48-4e2a...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, "Bob
Russell" <bobru...@ec.rr.com> wrote:
Worth repeating, I think. It's too bad JB is gone and I don't know why
the original posting caused this, but those "closing in" on whoever the OP
was might want to think it through. The post itself might have offended but
without knowing the context concerning JB and the poster it would seem to me
best to let it go.
Paul K
sheets
wrote:
> This is worse than that Stanley Jordan incident of a few years back. Who was
> that idiot anyway?
> Charlie
That's not why Jimmy left anyway. It had *NOTHING* to do with the last
couple weks worth of arguments, metronomes, anonymous criticisms,
etc.FWIW, I talked to him about this.
Gerry
>>> man, what is wrong with all these new people in this NG? Not a single
>>> constructive post yet, but already happy to take part in a witchhunt.
>>
>> Yeah. Hasn't anyone stopped to think that randomly accusing people in
>> a public forum might be considered completely uncool?
>
> Worth repeating, I think. It's too bad JB is gone and I don't know why
> the original posting caused this,
It didn't cause this. And that, apparently is worth repeatingly
endlessly to nobody in particular.
> ...but those "closing in" on whoever the OP
> was might want to think it through.
What's to think through? He's a troll with a name, that likes to say
nasty things and piss people off. Next time he goes trolling I feel
sure he'll doctor his tags.
> The post itself might have offended but without knowing the context
> concerning JB and the poster
> it would seem to me best to let it go.
What would knowing the context provide. He's a troll. Trolls
irritate, that's their job. That's the context in total.
--
-- Gerry
Chickenhead
"Paul K" <pa...@none.edu> wrote in message
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Paul P
> It's creepy what the internet remembers about you....
I think it's more creepy that some innocent person could be the
target of a witchhunt by a bunch of hysterical jazz musicians.
The user name in question isn't particularly original and I
think it's possible that more than one person could have thought
it up.
Paul P
crip...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why put that out there w/o a whit of anything to back it up? That
ain't cool.
Bob Russell
Couldn't have said it better myself. What's really creepy is what the
internet brings out in some people.
Paul K.
On 2/15/08 12:53 AM, in article 2008021421534650073-somewhere@sunnycalif,
"Gerry" <some...@sunny.calif> wrote:
> On 2008-02-14 19:21:45 -0800, Paul K <pa...@none.edu> said:
>>>> man, what is wrong with all these new people in this NG? Not a single
>>>> constructive post yet, but already happy to take part in a witchhunt.
>>>
>>> Yeah. Hasn't anyone stopped to think that randomly accusing people in
>>> a public forum might be considered completely uncool?
>>
>> Worth repeating, I think. It's too bad JB is gone and I don't know why
>> the original posting caused this,
>
> It didn't cause this. And that, apparently is worth repeatingly
> endlessly to nobody in particular.
>
>> ...but those "closing in" on whoever the OP
>> was might want to think it through.
>
> What's to think through? He's a troll with a name, that likes to say
> nasty things and piss people off. Next time he goes trolling I feel
> sure he'll doctor his tags.
Lots of people post controversial comments anonymously here. Are they all
trolls? What the OP said wasn't diplomatic, nor particularly original. The
frenzy ensued because JB said it triggered his management to boot him off
the NG, in contradiction to your assertion above.
>
>> The post itself might have offended but without knowing the context
>> concerning JB and the poster
>> it would seem to me best to let it go.
>
> What would knowing the context provide. He's a troll.
> Trolls
> irritate, that's their job. That's the context in total.
Well, that's that, I suppose. Happy hunting!
Paul K
tonyde...@gmail.com
I don't feel that anyone is becoming "hysterical" here and I don't
smell any "witch hunt", really. I just see an initial and slightly
extend aftermath of reaction. I think some of us are curious at the
over all content of what was written in that original post. The
content points to that individual cornered from that other NG. Now,
yes...I suppose that some one can be "impersonating" a poster from the
other group, just like anyone can impersonate any one of us here. The
idea is still fresh and it seemed to lead us to losing a buddy posting
here, is all, and is the main motif here. Now, if we should be mocked
for continuing to pursue who it is, OK, so we will allow ourselves
into being intimidated to no longer do so. If the over all concensus
here is Thou shalt not try to flush out the troll, then I'm cool with
that. No more flushing out trolls. This should rid ourselves of at
least one annoyance, I suppose. I do agree that no one should be
rushing to judgement and I can see how the coward has, thus far,
accomplished his (or her) mission.
-TD
charles robinson
Charlie
"sheets" <jackz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Gerry
<robins...@comcast.net> said:
> What's the real deal?
One more time: Unless he's lying, it's because his management told him
to stop particpanting.
--
-- Gerry
Gerry
>>> ...but those "closing in" on whoever the OP
>>> was might want to think it through.
>>
>> What's to think through? He's a troll with a name, that likes to say
>> nasty things and piss people off. Next time he goes trolling I feel
>> sure he'll doctor his tags.
>
> Lots of people post controversial comments anonymously here. Are they all
> trolls?
No they're newsgroup participants with controversial opinions.
> What the OP said wasn't diplomatic, nor particularly original. The
> frenzy ensued because JB said it triggered his management to boot him off
> the NG, in contradiction to your assertion above.
To my knowledge he didn't indicate which message(s) his management used
as their criteria of judgement, if any.
>> What would knowing the context provide. He's a troll.
>> Trolls irritate, that's their job. That's the context in total.
>
> Well, that's that, I suppose. Happy hunting!
So it seems. Hardly hunting: I typed his id into a search-machine. I
still don't know what there is about that to "think through". The
amount of time one spends responding to trolls, googling them,
discussing who they are and why the'd do it--all is wasted time.
--
-- Gerry
sheets
> On 2008-02-15 06:01:03 -0800, "charles robinson"
>
> > What's the real deal?
>
> One more time: Unless he's lying, it's because his management told him
> to stop particpanting.
He's not lying. His management told him that but it had nothing to do
with the sniping. It was something else which I can't go into.
Joey Goldstein
It's 'cause of me.
Jimmy hates me because I love metronomes.
I'm guilty, guilty, guilty.
I shot Kennedy!
--
Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
charles robinson
apologized to Tom Walls and will be missed by everyone. He himself realizes
that his temper boils over when his opinions are questioned. Those of us who
have been around for a while take it all with a grain of salt.
Charlie
"sheets" <jackz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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pmfan57
wrote:
> Whatever the reason it's too bad. He left here with a clean slate having
> apologized to Tom Walls and will be missed by everyone. He himself realizes
> that his temper boils over when his opinions are questioned. Those of us who
> have been around for a while take it all with a grain of salt.
> Charlie
>
>
> news:d9fc311b-01ce-4b5b...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 15, 11:14 am, Gerry <somewh...@sunny.calif> wrote:
> >> On 2008-02-15 06:01:03 -0800, "charles robinson"
> >> <robinsonch...@comcast.net> said:
>
> >> > What's the real deal?
>
> >> One more time: Unless he's lying, it's because his management told him
> >> to stop particpanting.
>
> > He's not lying. His management told him that but it had nothing to do
>
> - Show quoted text -
I remember the late 90's when Jimmy started posting here. That was
the wild west compared to this.