The Spaces Realbooks
MQ
http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%201.pdf
http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%20II.pdf
http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%20III.pdf
http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%204%20-%20Compendium%20of%20Jazz%20Tastes.pdf
http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%205%20-%20BeBop%20Jazz.pdf
http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%206%20-%20Solos.pdf
Michael.
edisoned
Ed
> If someone is interested here are the six books:
>
>
> Michael.
Rick Stone
news:6930ac36-4d6a-491c...@z9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
Thanks! I have these in paper form, but I've been trying to get all my
fakebooks into digital format so that I can just carry everything on my
laptop and really hoping for the day when they come out with an LCD that
shows TWO pages (like an open book!) so that I don't have to carry so much
stuff when I teach (there are digital music stands, but currently they are
still VERY expensive and only display one-page at a time).
Musically Yours,
Rick Stone
email: rick...@rickstone.com
website: http://www.rickstone.com
Visit me on MySpace at: http://www.myspace.com/rickstonemusic
Check out my Electronic Press-Kit online at:
http://www.sonicbids.com/rickstone
Check out my recordings at http://www.cdbaby.com/all/jazzand
Watch my videos on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/user/jazzand
kagejs
were taken directly from the 1st edition Real Book. Not that it
matters, but I'm curious as to the history behind these books.
pmfan57
They definitely have a lot of stuff that was straight out of the real
book. but some volumes have solos. One volume has a bunch of West
coast tunes. (I have the paper copies.)
Gerry
Actually this collection precedes the Real Book. The Real Book was, at
least partially, a refinement of some of this material.
--
Dogmatism kills jazz. Iconoclasm kills rock. Rock dulls scissors.
Tim McNamara
charles robinson
"kagejs" <w.sa...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:07877649-56b2-4478...@y33g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> I'm not familiar with this series, but it looks like many of the tunes
> were taken directly from the 1st edition Real Book. Not that it
> matters, but I'm curious as to the history behind these books.
I always thought that they were a little bit before the Real Book but am
probably wrong since there are other pages that different from the real Book
Style pages. Anyway they both turned up around the same time. During the
70's the Spaces books were everywhere.
Charlie
Michael L Kankiewicz
> If someone is interested here are the six books:
Excellent, thanks!
pez espada
> If someone is interested here are the six books:
>
AWSOME
nqbqbep
How can this precede the Real Book when on page 3 of "Spaces vol.1" it
states that it *includes* the Real Book, and has the Real Book "logo"
on it? I don't know anything about the history of these books, but it
looks like they are a merge of various fakebooks that were circulating
in the seventies, the Real Book being one of them.
nqbqbep
> If someone is interested here are the six books:
>
THANKS A LOT
It's stuff like this that makes this newsgroup probably the best jazz
resource on the internet.
Gerry
> On Jun 12, 5:57�pm, Gerry <somewh...@sunny.calif> wrote:
>> On 2009-06-12 04:14:28 -0700, kagejs <w.sag...@comcast.net> said:
>>
>>> I'm not familiar with this series, but it looks like many of the tunes
>>> were taken directly from the 1st edition Real Book. Not that it
>>> matters, but I'm curious as to the history behind these books.
>>
>> Actually this collection precedes the Real Book. �The Real Book was, at
>> least partially, a refinement of some of this material.
>
> How can this precede the Real Book when on page 3 of "Spaces vol.1" it
> states that it *includes* the Real Book, and has the Real Book "logo"
> on it? I don't know anything about the history of these books, but it
> looks like they are a merge of various fakebooks that were circulating
> in the seventies, the Real Book being one of them.
I got the Spaces books in the early 70's and never heard a squeak about
"the Real Book". In the mid/late 60's I started bumping into the Real
Book all the time.
Regarding why the first page of the current edition of Spaces has a
reference to the Real Book, I don't know. It might well be a newer
updated version of that volume. The first editions I had of the Spaces
volumes were pretty ugly. I haven't seen them in years, though I think
they are living in my garage.
I know that when I first got the Real Book I found some tunes that had
appeard in the earlier Spaces hodge-podge but had been corrected of
some bad changes, and even more noteworthy were cleaned up and easy to
read where they had been ugly and difficult (with 5 bars per line and
other aspects).
Gerry
> How can this precede the Real Book when on page 3 of "Spaces vol.1" it
> states that it *includes* the Real Book, and has the Real Book "logo"
> on it?
I just downloaded and looked at the first volume and on it's first page
it lists the many other volumes. When I first got the first volume of
Spaces, it was the ONLY volume of Spaces and so could not have listed
all those volumes that followed it over time.
Incidentally, though I haven't downloaded the other volumes, I recall
that successive volumes of Spaces were simply xerox'd volumes of fake
books that had existed, unrelated to the "Spaces" publishing line,
during the 50's and 60's. So they weren't initially "born" as volumes
of Spaces.
Steven R
> If someone is interested here are the six books:
>
Thanks a lot, I've been looking for Vol. 6 for a while now.
Rick Stone
news:07877649-56b2-4478...@y33g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> were taken directly from the 1st edition Real Book. Not that it
> matters, but I'm curious as to the history behind these books.
The people who put "Spaces" together compiled material from a bunch of
existing fakebooks, the Real Book was one of them. I seriously doubt that it
was around before the Real Book for the following reasons:
1) The Real Book was put together by musicians in Boston, and most of the
copying was done by a single person (or at most 2 people). This is pretty
obvious if you just analyze the handwriting and penmanship.
2) As well as the Real Book, I've seen some other fakebooks whose material
seems to have been copied verbatim (on a copier, not by pen) in the Spaces
books.
Joey Goldstein
> On 2009-06-12 11:44:24 -0700, nqbqbep <isle.o...@gmail.com> said:
>
>> On Jun 12, 5:57 pm, Gerry <somewh...@sunny.calif> wrote:
>>> On 2009-06-12 04:14:28 -0700, kagejs <w.sag...@comcast.net> said:
>>>
>>>> I'm not familiar with this series, but it looks like many of the tunes
>>>> were taken directly from the 1st edition Real Book. Not that it
>>>> matters, but I'm curious as to the history behind these books.
>>>
>>> Actually this collection precedes the Real Book. The Real Book was, at
>>> least partially, a refinement of some of this material.
>>
>> How can this precede the Real Book when on page 3 of "Spaces vol.1" it
>> states that it *includes* the Real Book, and has the Real Book "logo"
>> on it? I don't know anything about the history of these books, but it
>> looks like they are a merge of various fakebooks that were circulating
>> in the seventies, the Real Book being one of them.
>
> I got the Spaces books in the early 70's and never heard a squeak about
> "the Real Book". In the mid/late 60's I started bumping into the Real
> Book all the time.
That's odd. Because as far as I know the Real Book didn't exist until
approximately 1973. I was at Berklee when it came out and have met the
guys who started it. Mitch Coodley and Stu Balcomb.
Unless I was terribly misled at the time that's when it came out.
I was actually the first guy in Toronto to sell the RB.
I brought it home from boston and made up several copies using the U of
T copy machine. I then wandered the halls of the then new jazz program
at Humber College like a drug dealer: "Anybody want to buy a fake book?"
The Spaces I pdf appears to be a mixture of several fakebooks that were
around in the late 70s, including The Real Book. Some of the lead sheets
in this book are just photocopies of the lead sheets in the Real Book.
Spaces II looks like somebody decided to write out the Real Book
themselves for some reason. Lots of the same tunes but different copying.
Spaces III reminds me of a fake book going around here in the 80s that
everybody called The Montreal Book. Not sure if they're the same though.
Spaces IV looks like somebody's weird edit of The Real Book.
The Spaces 5 pdf is a scan of another fake book I bought in Boston in
the mid 70s. I've still got it in a binder somewhere in my basement. It
never seemed very accurate to me, but has some great tunes in it.
I especially like the Spaces 6 pdf with all the transcribed solos. I've
never seen that before. At first glance it seems pretty accurate too.
I was looking for something to practise my reading with and I think that
this is going o be it.
> Regarding why the first page of the current edition of Spaces has a
> reference to the Real Book, I don't know. It might well be a newer
> updated version of that volume. The first editions I had of the Spaces
> volumes were pretty ugly. I haven't seen them in years, though I think
> they are living in my garage.
>
> I know that when I first got the Real Book I found some tunes that had
> appeard in the earlier Spaces hodge-podge but had been corrected of some
> bad changes, and even more noteworthy were cleaned up and easy to read
> where they had been ugly and difficult (with 5 bars per line and other
> aspects).
--
Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
joegold AT primus DOT ca
Joey Goldstein
Wasn't the original "Spaces" fakebook called "Spaces" because it sort of
leaned towards the fusiony tunes on the Coryell-McLaughlin album Spaces?
I seem to remember that it even had that tune, Spaces, in it.
I don't see that tune in any of these fake books.
I remember trying to play that tune and I must g=have gotten a chart for
it somewhere because my ears weren't good enough yet to lift that kind
of thing. It has a bunch of min6 chords I think? Moving in min 3rds?
Dan Adler
>
Thanks! This is amazing! I have the solos one and that has some great
solos including a classic Joe Pass solo from "Simplicity" (p. 304).
But I didn't even know about the rest of the books - someone actually
scanned this in page by page...
Thanks again,
-Dan
http://danadler.com
steven shepard
Gerry, I don't think you could have seen the RB in the mid 60's. My
recollection is very similar to Joey's. However, circa 71-72, there
wasn't a complete bound RB yet. Instead, lead sheets tunes for by
Bley, Gibbs, Swallow, Chick etc. were showing up around Boston in
exactly the page format that became the RB. About a year later, the
bound book appeared, along with a lot of standards.
I remember Mitch and Stu, but I also remember a guy who worked in the
Berklee bookstore named Terry Moore (I think?) as being involved in
the early stages.
Joey Goldstein
Right.
I think that Gary Burton might have initially enlisted these guys to
transcribe all those tunes, because I remember them all coming out of
GB's file cabinet in the years before they came out as the RB.
> I remember Mitch and Stu, but I also remember a guy who worked in the
> Berklee bookstore named Terry Moore (I think?) as being involved in
> the early stages.
Joey Goldstein
>
> Right.
> I think that Gary Burton might have initially enlisted these guys to
> transcribe all those tunes, because I remember them all coming out of
> GB's file cabinet in the years before they came out as the RB.
So not only is the whole chord-scale theory thing in jazz education GB's
fault, but he's also responsible for all of us using fakebooks all the
time and for playing Four with the wrong changes for 30 years!
I'm still a fan though. lol
I heard some of the New Crystal Silence CD the other day.
They played Fiesta. GB sounds great as always.
But Chick was *UNBELIEVABLE*.
Great orchestral writing and playing too.
I think I'm gonna buy that one.
steven shepard
Come to think of it Joey, I think you're right about GB. At first, I
would only see those sheets from Gary's students, and they were most
the Bley, Swallow, Mantler tunes that you weren't gonna find anywhere
else.
Joey Goldstein
>
> Come to think of it Joey, I think you're right about GB. At first, I
> would only see those sheets from Gary's students, and they were most
> the Bley, Swallow, Mantler tunes that you weren't gonna find anywhere
> else.
Evidently you and me were there at the same time.
That was a special time, I think, for this music, in Boston.
Who'd you study with?
bird...@earthlink.net
> If someone is interested here are the six books:
>
bassdiva
news:59d616be-d75b-415e...@p21g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 11, 10:05 pm, MQ <michaelquo...@michaelquooss.de> wrote:
> If someone is interested here are the six books:
>
> My God! Thanks. Now all I have to do is practice -- dave
I don't seem to be able to get through to these books, have they been taken
off?
Bassdiva
Rick Stone
news:1a1bb$4a32ee71$4038fe57$31...@PRIMUS.CA...
> steven shepard wrote:
>>
>> Come to think of it Joey, I think you're right about GB. At first, I
>> would only see those sheets from Gary's students, and they were most
>> the Bley, Swallow, Mantler tunes that you weren't gonna find anywhere
>> else.
>
> Evidently you and me were there at the same time.
> That was a special time, I think, for this music, in Boston.
>
> Who'd you study with?
Damn, I showed up to the party late!!! I didn't get to Berklee till '78 and
by then most of those guys had moved on. I remember getting my first Real
Book for $16 from Art Lillard. He used to hang out practicing flute all day
and selling Real Books out of a box in that little unused fire exit at the
Mass Ave. building. Ironically, I think that's where they moved the Berklee
Bookstore about 15 years ago (last time I visited Boston).
I bought the Spaces books a year before that because nobody in Cleveland
could get the Real Book (we all knew about it though).
brucer
"MQ" <michae...@michaelquooss.de> wrote in message
news:6930ac36-4d6a-491c...@z9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> If someone is interested here are the six books:
>
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%201.pdf
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%20II.pdf
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%20III.pdf
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%204%20-%20Compendium%20of%20Jazz%20Tastes.pdf
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%205%20-%20BeBop%20Jazz.pdf
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%206%20-%20Solos.pdf
>
> Michael.
Mq
> <birdli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Right click and save.
Michael.
Gerry
APOLOGIES TO ALL: Typon with "60's" below. Meant to type 70's.
> I got the Spaces books in the early 70's and never heard a squeak about
> "the Real Book". In the mid/late **70's** I started bumping into the
van
> "Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1a1bb$4a32ee71$4038fe57$31...@PRIMUS.CA...
>
> > steven shepard wrote:
>
> >> Come to think of it Joey, I think you're right about GB. At first, I
> >> would only see those sheets from Gary's students, and they were most
> >> the Bley, Swallow, Mantler tunes that you weren't gonna find anywhere
> >> else.
>
> > Evidently you and me were there at the same time.
> > That was a special time, I think, for this music, in Boston.
>
> > Who'd you study with?
>
> Damn, I showed up to the party late!!! I didn't get to Berklee till '78 and
> by then most of those guys had moved on. I remember getting my first Real
> Book for $16 from Art Lillard. He used to hang out practicing flute all day
> and selling Real Books out of a box in that little unused fire exit at the
> Mass Ave. building. Ironically, I think that's where they moved the Berklee
> Bookstore about 15 years ago (last time I visited Boston).
>
> I bought the Spaces books a year before that because nobody in Cleveland
> could get the Real Book (we all knew about it though).
>
> Musically Yours,
> Rick Stone
> website:http://www.rickstone.com
> Visit me on MySpace at:http://www.myspace.com/rickstonemusic
> Check out my Electronic Press-Kit online at:http://www.sonicbids.com/rickstone
> Watch my videos on YouTube at:http://www.youtube.com/user/jazzand
I didn't know Art Lillard played flute, too.
I just know him as a drummer/arranger.
Rick Stone
news:d26116af-962b-454a...@z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>I didn't know Art Lillard played flute, too.
>I just know him as a drummer/arranger.
Yeah, I don't know if he still does, but back then he used to practice it
all the time. Hey, it was portable and he could practice while he was out
there selling books (don't think that would have worked so well with drums!)
And you notice that his "Heavenly Big Band" actually has a FLUTE section!
(not saxophonists doubling on flute, but four actual flute players!)
Musically Yours,
Rick Stone
email: rick...@rickstone.com
website: http://www.rickstone.com
Visit me on MySpace at: http://www.myspace.com/rickstonemusic
Check out my Electronic Press-Kit online at:
http://www.sonicbids.com/rickstone
Check out my recordings at http://www.cdbaby.com/all/jazzand
steven shepard
>
> news:1a1bb$4a32ee71$4038fe57$31...@PRIMUS.CA...
>
> > steven shepard wrote:
>
> >> Come to think of it Joey, I think you're right about GB. At first, I
> >> would only see those sheets from Gary's students, and they were most
> >> the Bley, Swallow, Mantler tunes that you weren't gonna find anywhere
> >> else.
>
> > Evidently you and me were there at the same time.
> > That was a special time, I think, for this music, in Boston.
>
> > Who'd you study with?
>
> Damn, I showed up to the party late!!! I didn't get to Berklee till '78 and
> by then most of those guys had moved on. I remember getting my first Real
> Book for $16 from Art Lillard. He used to hang out practicing flute all day
> and selling Real Books out of a box in that little unused fire exit at the
> Mass Ave. building. Ironically, I think that's where they moved the Berklee
> Bookstore about 15 years ago (last time I visited Boston).
>
> I bought the Spaces books a year before that because nobody in Cleveland
> could get the Real Book (we all knew about it though).
>
> Musically Yours,
> Rick Stone
> website:http://www.rickstone.com
> Visit me on MySpace at:http://www.myspace.com/rickstonemusic
> Check out my Electronic Press-Kit online at:http://www.sonicbids.com/rickstone
> Watch my videos on YouTube at:http://www.youtube.com/user/jazzand
"I bought the Spaces books a year before that because nobody in
Cleveland
could get the Real Book (we all knew about it though)."
The ironic thing is that most of the guys I got the loose (pre-RB)
sheets from in the early 70's were from Cleveland.
charles robinson
You are right, I remember that book. I don't know if it had anything to do
with this bunch of Spaces books but at any rate it was mostly fusion.
Charlie
Ammo
> (SNP) As far as I know the Real Book didn't exist until
Hi Joey
I got my first fakebook in Toronto in 1976 - didn't have a title or
cover, but I've always referred to it as "Ted Moses' Fakebook" or
"Mother Necessity Jazz Workshop Fakebook". All the transcriptions are
tidy and readable, and there are very few errors. In Vancouver a few
years later, I got "The Real Vocal Book", and that was the first time
I had heard the despicable word "Real" in such a title.
The only real transcriptions are ones you do yourself. This should not
be a lost art.
Spaces 6 is an incredible mess, but it is still a valuable resource.
In order to transcribe a Coltrane solo, you'd have to have good chops
and good understanding of melody and harmony. But how could you get
that if you can't write a readable chart? Even Humber College requires
good notation skills.
Now we don't have to use photocopiers in order to read these charts!
It is so affordable - and convenient - to have the digital version. I
don't feel bad about owning these digital copies because I am using
them strictly for research.
No wonder all this stuff has been republished professionally. Lots of
people want to read it. But even the pros working for Sher and Hal
Leonard make mistakes. So I take matters into my owns hands, and not
just with a pencil in the margins.
I'll use these old resources and make my own readable charts using
Finale (whatever version available on whatever computer's at hand).
And when I get around to sharing them, you-all will be the first to
know.
And I'll try to remember to cite the source.
AMMO
tom walls
Thanks!
Ammo
the same penmanship in some of the charts that was used in the Mother
Necessity Jazz Workshop book. But Spaces adds lots of charts in a
different hand.
Having scanned a number of my own books, I realize how difficult it
can be to get straight lines. I'm a little pickier than most, and
usually straighten and clean up the individual page images in
Photoshop then reassemble the book. Very time-consuming!
Just looking at some of these books makes me feel dirty. They've got
spit accumulated from years of blowing over them.
Then there's the moral aspect of sharing charts without paying
royalties. Sure, it's been done for generations. But we can do
better.
In all these books of lead sheets, it's rare that I find something I
haven't already got. But the last book with the solos in it, now
that's worth looking into. Thank you for sharing!
Ammo
Gerry
> Having scanned a number of my own books, I realize how difficult it
> can be to get straight lines. I'm a little pickier than most, and
> usually straighten and clean up the individual page images in
> Photoshop then reassemble the book. Very time-consuming!
I'm not sure what that says about you, that you need to straighten and
clean-up each page. I'd like to know what it means, though since I do
the same thing. I'm not really a "neatnik", really. So I'm unsure why
I do it. Somehow, I guess, I feel like the music deserves it.
Jazzer
<tomw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks!
Does anyone know if it's possible to search through these six volumes
for songs, once you open the .pdf files?
I tried it now and am having no luck.
TIA
tom walls
>
> Does anyone know if it's possible to search through these six volumes
> for songs, once you open the .pdf files?
>
> I tried it now and am having no luck.
>
> TIA
The search function doesn't work for me. I have to use the various
indexes included in the pdf.
Gerry
> Does anyone know if it's possible to search through these six volumes
> for songs, once you open the .pdf files?
>
> I tried it now and am having no luck.
It depends on what you're using to open the pdf with and whether the
pdf includes only images or text files. It seems it is only images.
These Spaces volumes are indexed in "JDM Jazz Fake Book Index March 27
2003". It's not my favorite format (one can't limit the search to any
one volume or set of volumes, only the song title. And the PDF can't
be burst in order to further manipulate it. Still it allows a full
check.
Let me know if somebody needs it.
nqbqbep
Gerry
>> It depends on what you're using to open the pdf with and whether the
>> pdf includes only images or text files. �It seems it is only images.
> �
>> These Spaces volumes are indexed in "JDM Jazz Fake Book Index March 27
>> 2003". �It's not my favorite format (one can't limit the search to any
>> one volume or set of volumes, only the song title. �And the PDF can't
>> be burst in order to further manipulate it. �Still it allows a full
>> check.
>>
>> Let me know if somebody needs it.
>
> http://valdez.dumarsengraving.com/PDFmusic/FakeIndex.pdf
Yeah, that's the one. I sure wish I could track John Magyari down and
see about getting the raw excel file on this. It would be nice to
burst out some of the volumes and important them into my own index,
which also stresses page number rather than the present/not present
approach.
Mondoslug
> Wasn't the original "Spaces" fakebook called "Spaces" because it sort of
> leaned towards the fusiony tunes on the Coryell-McLaughlin album Spaces?
> I seem to remember that it even had that tune, Spaces, in it.
> I don't see that tune in any of these fake books.
>
>
> --
> Joey Goldstein
-
That's what I thought? I remember seeing that book back in the day
with some of Chick's stuff in it that wasn't in the Real Book at the
time.
Amazing collection though.
vivav...@gmail.com
bobhess
> If someone is interested here are the six books:
>
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%20II.pdf
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%20III.pdf
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%204%20-%20Compendium%20of%20Jazz%20Tastes.pdf
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%205%20-%20BeBop%20Jazz.pdf
> http://www.1einfo.net/test3457123843/Spaces%206%20-%20Solos.pdf
>
> Michael.
Lord Valve
articles from 10-20 years ago.
LV
Gerry
Who needs them? I can make them available, because of how generous and
communitarian I am.
Shanti Jayasinha
John
> Wow I would love them
> > communitarian I am.
John R.
Steven DAntonio
Thank you
Gerry
>> I imagine not.
>>
>> Who needs them? I can make them available, because of how generous and
>> communitarian I am.
Perry Andrews
slowjammerukdog
edisoned
I think I may have originally posted the links back in 2009 and now I can't find the books on my computer. If there's a way of getting them again I'd appreciate it.
Thanks
ED
gtr
> I think I may have originally posted the links back in 2009 and now I can't
> find the books on my computer. If there's a way of getting them again I'd
> appreciate it.
gtr
Slava Petrov (Slava243)
Thank you
Slava Petrov (Slava243)
Thank you