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d.onstenk

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Dec 7, 2002, 6:10:52 AM12/7/02
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Hi guys,

I'm looking for the smallest possible (practice, low volume-gigs without
drummer) amp with the best possible Jazz sound. It should have a built-in
reverb and for the rest I don't care.

Mark Kleinhaut had a small amp he borrowed form David Moss that I liked but
I didn't get the brand. In the end, at the Crow Mark used my Polytone IV for
better projection and more substance but I kind of liked the sound of that
lil' thing when I played through it. Should be great for low volume
settings. What was it, David, Mark?

Of course any other suggestions are welcome too. I'm looking for something
substantial smaller than a Polytone.

Thanks,

Dick


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Gozy

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Dec 7, 2002, 9:17:47 AM12/7/02
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Slightly deviating from your parameters, you might take a look at an SWR
Workingman's 110. It's a bass amp with a (switchable) tweeter that is
light, small, full range, powerful and inexpensive. You'd have to add
reverb or whatever other effects you need.


Rick Gebethner

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Dec 7, 2002, 9:44:28 AM12/7/02
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Hi Dick,

I'm not sure how big a Polytone IV is, but have you looked at the following:

Tech 21 - Trademark 10 (or 60)
Ampeg - various
Fender Blues Junior - replace the tubes and speaker tho

Regards,

Rick

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joe nez

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Dec 7, 2002, 10:17:26 AM12/7/02
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Roland Cube-30. Also comes in a 15 watt model
called the Cube-15 (how clever). Has a great clean
channel, decent reverb and chorus; a lead channel
and some built in modeling (COSM) most of which I
really haven't experimented with yet. For $180
U.S. out the door it's one hell of an amp. At 30
watts it'll probably handle small gigs too!

joe nez

IvanDRodriguez

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Dec 7, 2002, 10:52:22 AM12/7/02
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>Roland Cube 30. For $180 U.S. out the door it's one hell of an amp. At 30

watts it'll probably handle small gigs too! >

Where'd you get that for $180?

Ivan


Andy D.

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Dec 7, 2002, 10:59:42 AM12/7/02
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I just bought a Tech 21 Trademark 10. I use a Guild Artist Award with it. It
works well in a guitar duo setting but I haven't used it with drums.

If you use the flat setting with reverb it has a nice clean sound. (I use a
Klotz cable too.) I like to use the UK speaker with the rest flat. The reverb
is pretty good and it's only 14 lbs.
Andy D.

Margaret Wilson

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Dec 7, 2002, 11:24:20 AM12/7/02
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Yeah, the cheapest I've seen it is $225 with free shipping at Music123.
It's also backordered everywhere I've looked. Must be a popular little amp,
and it's getting great reviews. Mine's on order....

Regards,

Margaret

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Tom Byrne

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Dec 7, 2002, 11:52:54 AM12/7/02
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I have an Evans ae100 that seems to fit the bill; it would work well
for the situations you described. The reverb on mine is not great,
but the new ones have a digital unit which may be superior. -Tom

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David Moss

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Dec 7, 2002, 12:46:45 PM12/7/02
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> What was it, David, Mark?


Hi Dick,

It's an AER Compact 60, made in Germany and very popular
with jazz guitarists around here - 2 channels, 60W, 8" speaker,
reverb, all in an 8.5 kg (18 lb) package, solidly built though not
cheap - they sell for EUR 825 at my local store. If you want
more power with the same tone you should take a look at their
120W, 13 kg top model, the Acousticube IIa - but that's about
double the price.

I'm completely happy with mine, and both Mark Kleinhaut
and Kevin Van Sant (who know more about it than I do)
liked it too.

The manufacturers' web site at http://www.aer-amps.de seems
to be offline right now, but there are plenty of dealers with
info about AER amps on their websites - for example, see
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/classicalconnection/acousticamps.html

...or in The Netherlands,
http://www.berkelmuziek.nl/img/html/aer.htm

David

Christophe Pinson

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Dec 7, 2002, 12:48:24 PM12/7/02
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Did you try the AER compact 60 ? 8 kg ...

Jay Vyas

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Dec 7, 2002, 2:58:46 PM12/7/02
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"d.onstenk" <d.on...@chello.nl> wrote in message news:<0HkI9.860483$F9.32785829@Flipper>...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm looking for the smallest possible (practice, low volume-gigs without
> drummer) amp with the best possible Jazz sound. It should have a built-in
> reverb and for the rest I don't care.
>
> Mark Kleinhaut had a small amp he borrowed form David Moss that I liked but
> I didn't get the brand. In the end, at the Crow Mark used my Polytone IV for
> better projection and more substance but I kind of liked the sound of that
> lil' thing when I played through it. Should be great for low volume
> settings. What was it, David, Mark?
>
> Of course any other suggestions are welcome too. I'm looking for something
> substantial smaller than a Polytone.
>

Smaller than even a Mini-Brute II? Do you know what size speaker
you're comfortable with? The MBII is not much bigger than it's
speaker!

Jay

Peter Grey

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Dec 7, 2002, 3:12:57 PM12/7/02
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Dick,

Why not a MegaBrute or Baby Taurus? Both of these are very small, have reverb
and plenty of power and are not hugely expensive. I bought my Baby Taurus for
$225.

Regards,

Peter

Scott McLoughlin

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Dec 7, 2002, 3:25:51 PM12/7/02
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> Smaller than even a Mini-Brute II? Do you know what size speaker
> you're comfortable with? The MBII is not much bigger than it's
> speaker!

My thought exactly. I picked up a used MBII for around ~$200 and change.
For the cost/benefit ratio alone, it's definitely a keeper.

--
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The Adrenaline Group, Inc.


d.onstenk

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Dec 7, 2002, 3:49:27 PM12/7/02
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I am playing a Mini Brute IV with a 15 " speaker. Not a huge amp but I've
seen smaller ones!

Dick


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d.onstenk

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What's a baby taurus?

Dick

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d.onstenk

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Dec 7, 2002, 3:50:23 PM12/7/02
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Thanks David,

Dick

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icarusi

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Dec 7, 2002, 3:24:07 PM12/7/02
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d.onstenk <d.on...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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> Hi guys,
>
> I'm looking for the smallest possible (practice, low
volume-gigs without
> drummer) amp with the best possible Jazz sound. It should have
a built-in
> reverb and for the rest I don't care.

The AERs probably have the best sound in the smallest package,
but are relatively pricey. The Roland Cube 30 (the Cube 15
doesn't have reverb) and Marshall MG30DFX are worth trying. The
Cube has COSM amp modelling for Fender-ish 'blackface' sounds
etc. but a shared EQ for both channels. The Marshall has 2
channels and separate EQ on each but is a slightly larger less
costly package. I found the Marshall pleasantly warm sounding,
and the Cube a bit more clinical but it was only the Cube's lack
of FX level control which I found poor.

There are smaller simpler amps with spring reverbs, Kustom do
some well designed types, but you'd need to try them to ensure
they suit the sound you're after. The main problem with small
amps is when you're tempted to play them at or close to their
limit, being used to the extra power and headroom of the larger
amps, so that's probably the thing to check and decide.

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Peter Grey

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Dec 7, 2002, 4:10:19 PM12/7/02
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It's a small Polytone, 12"x9"x14", with an open back, an eight inch speaker and
75 watts. The label on the back says "Baby Brute, Baby Taurus", but a piece of
Polytone literature I have shows a Baby Brute with a closed back so I'm assuming
that this one with the open back is the Baby Taurus.

It's certainly useable on quiet to moderate volume gigs and while it does have a
boxy sound (there's only so much one can do with a small cab and speaker), it
sounds good enough to not be a distraction. It's comparable in volume and tone
to a MegaBrute.

Regards,

Peter

bruce woodward

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Dec 7, 2002, 4:18:09 PM12/7/02
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Hi Dick,

I'm very happy with my AER 'compact 60'. It has a great sound for archtops,
although it is primarily for acoustic instruments. I've been using it for
about 2-3 years now, and have never had any problems.

It's very portable (about 9kilo) and quite powerful. AER also do a 40w
version which is smaller again.
I am considering adding an AER AG8 powered monitor (same dimensions and 60w)
to get a little more volume and 'spread' for larger gigs.

Good luck with your search

Bruce

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David Brosseau

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Dec 7, 2002, 4:43:54 PM12/7/02
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A Polytone Mega Brute has an eight inch speaker and measures about 13.5"
wide by 12" high by 8" deep. It's just another package for the Polytone amp
so it sounds great except to get a good bass tone through the 8" speaker I
have to turn the bass all the way up. But, once I do that it sounds great
for a small amp.


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Michael Tueller

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Dec 7, 2002, 10:10:42 PM12/7/02
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On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:46:45 +0100, David Moss wrote
(in message <astc62$ugpl8$1...@ID-90151.news.dfncis.de>):

> the Acousticube IIa - but that's about
> double the price.

I have a Acousticcube and use it for Acoustic & Jazz Guitar.
It's a fantastc and versatile amp, actually it's more like a
mini-PA with a guitar input (and a Mic Channel).

I recently used it for a musical production (loud BigBand)
and it worked great (together with a Ibanez PM100).

It's defenitely an expensive amp. But you should test it.
The noise level is very very low.

Michael

David Moss

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Dec 8, 2002, 11:58:27 AM12/8/02
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BTW, don't be confused if you see an "AER Bingo"
in the stores - that's the same amp as the Compact 60,
for some reason the manufacturer has two different
names for it.


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David V. Marshall

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Dec 9, 2002, 12:44:58 AM12/9/02
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On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:44:28 -0500, "Rick Gebethner" <r...@storm.ca>
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>Fender Blues Junior - replace the tubes and speaker tho

Replace with what? I am curious (and I have a Fender Blues Junior).
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joe nez

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Dec 9, 2002, 11:14:07 AM12/9/02
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I'm in Pittsburgh and I bought it at a local music
shop called Hollowood Music,

joe Nez

Joe C.

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Dec 9, 2002, 10:00:48 PM12/9/02
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Dick,
My usual amp is a Clarus head with a Raezer's edge cabinet, but when I
need something even smaller for low volume AER (acoustic electric
research) makes the "compact 60" a 60 watt combo with an 8 inch
speaker. This amp has a gig bag available that allows you to carry it
with a strap over your shoulder (and I'm not a big guy and it is still
not too heavy). I also fits under the seat on most airline jets. You
can see one at John Buscarino's web site in the "marketplace section"
of Buscaino.com.

Good luck in your search,

Joe Califano

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