Burrell's guitar on "Midnight Blue"?
newacct1048946
this LP is KILLING me! I love it!
John Powell
> Can someone tell me what guitar and amp he favored at that time? His sound on
> this LP is KILLING me! I love it!
I use a Gibson ES-295 and a Laney Valve amp, set to overdrive slightly
when loud, to make a very similar sound
I don't know what he used though
John
Dotneck
> this LP is KILLING me! I love it!
Which song do you like best? Sounds like the solid body Benny on the
funk tune. I loaned out my copy so I can't listen to it to verify
which tune that is...
Larry Vigneault <larryv@
Midnight Blue. Jimmy has an album by the same name.
duffy doherty
a very fine radio show in Boston, "The Jazz Gallery" which aired at 1AM on
Saturdays and was hosted by Jack Wolker, one of the most well informed jazz
historians I have ever had the pleasure of listening to. I haven't heard the
show since I moved from Boston in '97, but I understand Jack has retired now
to his Record Store in Somerville Ma. Just hearing the opening bars takes me
right down memory lane!!
Duffy
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Victor Magnani
> "newacct1048946" <newacct...@aol.come> wrote in message
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> > Can someone tell me what guitar and amp he favored at that time? His sound
> on
> > this LP is KILLING me! I love it!
Most old pictures of Kenny from the Blue Note period show him with an
ES-175 with P-90's, and what looks like clear tape over the f-holes.
I'm betting some old Fender amp went with it. I know there's a story
about how Kenny loaned Wes his guitar and amp when Wes came into NYC to
record his first record. Not sure if I ever heard what model the guitar
was. I've also seen pictures of old Gibson ads with KB and a 175.
Vic
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Tom Lippincott
>ES-175 with P-90's, and what looks like clear tape over the f-holes.
>I'm betting some old Fender amp went with it. I know there's a story
>about how Kenny loaned Wes his guitar and amp when Wes came into NYC to
>record his first record. Not sure if I ever heard what model the guitar
>was. I've also seen pictures of old Gibson ads with KB and a 175.
>
>Vic
I recall reading somewhere that it was an L7 that Burrell loaned to Wes for
either his first record, or possibly "The Incredible Jazz Guitar."
Tom Lippincott
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thomas
> this LP is KILLING me! I love it!
Kenny has gone through a variety of guitars over the course of his
career, but he always sounds like Kenny. It's not the equipment.
duffy doherty
Thanks for the link. I'm listening to it right now! Sorry for the OT, I
just got nostalgic there for a moment......part of the power of music I
guess.
Duffy
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Jim R
I am pretty sure he was still playing an ES-175 on that album, then
moved up to a Super 400 shortly thereafter. But I'd agree that his
tone sounds great on everything he plays.
Wolfe Axe
remember, I'll ask & report back to the ng next week.
Jay Wolfe
Thomas Alkire
You're certainly going to be the envy of thousands of Burrell fans.
Descriptions of true gentleman, consemant professional, and a consistent
creator of lucious tones for decades seem barely adequate. Recording after
recording we find impeccable taste. Hope you have a wonderful dinner and
let Kenny know about the newsgroup. We always enjoy having Jimmy Bruno's
input here.
regards,
thomas in Plano
Lawren
> this LP is KILLING me! I love it!
Hi - The equipment probably is less important than the player. My
guitar always sounds better when someone else plays it, I've noticed!
Here is a copy of a post I made about a year ago on Burrell's tone
Lawren.
> I like laminates for the lack of feedback problems. But there is something more
> than pickup arrangements that happens in the production of tone. I saw Kenny
> Burrell playing a DeAngelico with one of those old clip on DeArmond pickups
> while running through a Twin and the sound that he got was about the same as
> the one he was getting with his ES-175.
> Charlie Robinson Jazz Guitarist, Composer
> You can hear me online at: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/robinsonchazz
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This month's Guitar One Magazine has an interview with Burrell (and a
transcript). The interviewer comments on how Burrell sounds similar
despite equipment changes. Burrell replies "That's right. I believe it
[his tone] comes from the sound you want to get out of the instrument
and strive to get no matter what the equipment. Sometimes you come
closer than others. I think that when experienced people get a certain
sound, it is something they hear before it is even played, and when
it's right, they know it. I try always to get close to what I am
hearing, not only in the notes but the sound."
Lawren.
Wolfe Axe
Met with Kenny on Sat. afternoon & went for a dinner/meeting later. Once he was
seated in the Heritage booth & we began serious discussion about the new Kenny
Burrell Signature guitar.....word circulated that he was there & we had a tough
time trying to complete our talks in that open setting.
It was great to see a very steady stream of great musician's lining up to
say hi & thank Kenny for his inspiration over so many years. He is truly a
gentleman, and I believe he enjoyed his afternoon in the Heritage booth, and we
completed our design talks as evening progressed. The guitar "will" finally
become a reality & I'll post info to the group as plans are typed & signed.
(guess what lucky duck has KB's design notes)
NOW.......I "did" ask the question posed earlier about his gear for the
Midnight Blue LP. He said, after very little thought that it was an L5 with a
Charlie Christian p/u & a twin Reverb Fender amp.
Some random things I picked up from Kenny B:
* he made his 1'st 6 LP's with his old 175
* 1 of those was with (get this) John Coltrane. KB says he believes he's the
only geetar player JC ever recorded with (?)
* I sent KB a new Heritage Florentine cutaway, "CES" Super Eagle to get
acquainted with & use as a platform for the KB guitar. He returned it to me at
the NAMM show, told me he "really" liked the guitar & took some pics with it.
If anyone's interested- I'll sell that beauty for a really fair price. It's
"actually" the prototype for the upcoming "KB" ax, although another Prototype
will now be done with some minor changes. I believe this one's very cool &
"now" has a verifiable "history."
Anyway.....gotta go rest. If anyone wants more detail, please e-mail me in a
day or 2.
Regards,
Jay Wolfe
Joe Finn
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Welcome back. Nice to hear that Kenny is doing well. He has always been an
inspiration to me. One of my favorites. I'm sure the new guitar will be a
beauty.
Trane also recorded with John Collins [Dizzy Gillespie Orchestra], Freddie
Green [Winner's Circle], and Barry Galbraith [George Russell New York]. He
also played club dates with Wes Montgomery but no recordings survive. Pretty
fast company. ....joe
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>Green [Winner's Circle], and Barry Galbraith [George Russell New York]. He
>also played club dates with Wes
Thanks Joe; I wasn't sure when KB said that. I didn't want to dispute his
statement, but I thought a career like Trane's would cross path's with other
guitarists.
Jay
Vincent
he actually did play with him out West. However, Wes did not feel
comfortable with the gig and split. It was only then that Kenny signed on
and did the LP.
BTW, I only point this out as a point of information that I picked up in a
Coltrane biography. I am not trying to slam or be disrespectful to KB whom I
love and respect.
Peace,
Vince
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thomas
Burrell/Coltrane date was in 1958. I've never before heard of
any connection between Wes and Coltrane in the 50s.
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Charlie Robinson
Burrell/Coltrane date was in 1958. I've never before heard of
any connection between Wes and Coltrane in the 50s >>
declined because he didn't like to fly and also because he felt the music was
too advanced for him. The Kenny Burrell recording was before that and Kenny
described it as just another blowing session, he had no idea that it would
stand the test of time.
Dan Cunningham
Dan
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SwingDoug
Tommy Flanagan's name called "The Cats".
Charlie Robinson
New Jazz Records.
Kevin Van Sant
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>It's just called Kenny Burrell and John Coltrane. But there's another one under
>Tommy Flanagan's name called "The Cats".
And there is yet another one called "interplay for two trumpets and
two tenors" and they are both on Paul Chambers' "Whims of Chambers"
I'm a big fan of all four of those records.
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> > << Wes played with Coltrane at the Monterey festival in 1961.
Charlie: Somewhere on the internet is a .gif of the poster for the fest with
Coltrane's and Montgomery's names on it. I can't find it anymore. Do you
know where it is?
It's hard to believe that nobody rolled tape on that gig. I wonder if a tape
will ever emerge. ....joe
Kevin Van Sant
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>It's hard to believe that nobody rolled tape on that gig. I wonder if a tape
>will ever emerge. ....joe
there are always rumors about that. I hope they turn out to be true.
Although one would think that if a tape of either reasonably good
sound quality or truly exceptional playing (or both) existed that it
would have surfaced by now.
Joe Finn
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> On 29 Jan 2002 04:49:31 GMT, swin...@aol.com (SwingDoug) wrote in
> message <20020128234931...@mb-fm.aol.com> :
>
> >It's just called Kenny Burrell and John Coltrane. But there's another one
under
> >Tommy Flanagan's name called "The Cats".
>
> And there is yet another one called "interplay for two trumpets and
> two tenors" and they are both on Paul Chambers' "Whims of Chambers"
>
> I'm a big fan of all four of those records.
Also of interest:
The Dizzy Gillespie Sextet [DeeGee 3600 3601]
Coltrane, Burrell, Percy Heath, Milt Jackson etc. 1951
Other guitarists who shared a record date with Coltrane were Jimmy Shirley
and Harold Grant. The record was Earl Bostic and his Orchestra in 1952.
...........joe
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Max Leggett
A lot of people run that band down, but they always stuck together.
Victor Magnani
search for:
"John Coltrane Sextet" + "Wes Montgomery"
just like that you will turn up several hits, a few of which mention
recordings which exist. Didn't turn up any more details, just adds a
little fuel to the mystery.
http://www.tgs.gr.jp/jazz/wes-dis/c/
http://www.kyushu-ns.ac.jp/~allan/Documents/McT_S.HTML
Here are two links.
Vic
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Charlie Robinson
Charlie: Somewhere on the internet
is a .gif of the poster for the fest with
Coltrane's and Montgomery's names on it. I can't find it anymore. Do you
know where it is?
It's hard to believe that nobody rolled tape on that gig. I wonder if a tape >>
<< will ever emerge. ....joe
Joe--That is one of those postings that got chopped up in all of the reposting
that happens, I think that Tom Brown was the one who was talking about Wes with
Trane at Monterey. (There is another one on here with you and I right now
where it is hard to tell who said what.) But you are right a tape like that
would be worth its weight in gold and it seems probable that out of all the
people who were there someone must have recorded it. I think that he also
played a 2 week gig with them at the Blackhawk in San Fransisco around that
same time period. (Man I just got in from a killer jam and it is good just to
imagine Trane and Wes together right now, I can hear it.) Charlie Robinson
Charlie Robinson
came up. The rumor that I heard is that Wes also played a 2 week gig with Trane
at the Blackhawk around that time. I also read somewhere that club owners were
trying to get Wes (who had been sitting in with him) to talk to Trane about the
long solos. Tom Brown was the one who mentioned Monterey but through reposting
our comments were combined making it all look like one Chalie R. statement.
Don De Michaels review of the performance stated that Wes took the best solos
but he was notorious for hating what Trane and Dolphy doing at that time. If I
run across that poster I will contact you. If you run across the tape ...well
you know..... Later, Charlie
Joe Finn
> Joe--I didn't ignore you on this one--I posted a reply for some reason it
never
> came up. The rumor that I heard is that Wes also played a 2 week gig with
Trane
> at the Blackhawk around that time. I also read somewhere that club owners
were
> trying to get Wes (who had been sitting in with him) to talk to Trane
about the
> long solos. Tom Brown was the one who mentioned Monterey but through
reposting
> our comments were combined making it all look like one Chalie R.
statement.
> Don De Michaels review of the performance stated that Wes took the best
solos
> but he was notorious for hating what Trane and Dolphy doing at that time.
If I
> run across that poster I will contact you. If you run across the tape
...well
> you know..... Later, Charlie
> Charlie Robinson Jazz Guitarist, Composer
These meetings of Wes and Trane are indeed the stuff of legend. The
stylistic juxtaposition is sort of mind boggling. By 1961 Trane was well
into his "My Favorite Things" period and was extending his style and the
duration of each of his solos into uncharted realms. Wes was pretty straight
ahead in comparison. Another impression I have is that Trane, Dolphy and
especially Elvin used to play fairly loud. I've got to wonder how Wes coped
with the sound levels and the overall intensity of Trane's vibe in those
days. ....joe
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hard to hear McCoy and Garrison at times. But even with that the overall
experience was incredible, I still haven't recovered. By today's standard of
loud they were practically a chamber music group. I think that Wes with his
Twin would have had no problems volume wise. C.O. Simpkins in his biography of
Trane mentions that Wes would say things like "You guys are getting a little
bit too far out for me over there."; so his decision to stay with his brothers
may have been based on that type of consideration. Charlie Robinson