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Metronomes: An Apology

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charles robinson

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Feb 10, 2008, 12:00:31 PM2/10/08
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Metronomes,

I know that these haven't been easy days for you. The air has been heavy
with accusations and recriminations.Still you have remained steadfast in
your cause, coming to the aid of the world's klutzes. Unwaveringly you
continue to pound out whatever beat they feel to be in need of oblivious to
the insults that have been hurled in your direction.You were here long
before these people came into existence and will be here long after they are
gone. This is how it should be, we were all put here for a reason and yours
is obvious. Never has a metronome beat me for money on a Saturday night
gig, shown up two hours late or demanded time and a half for a recording
session because they felt that they had become hot. When others fail to call
you are still there eager to play with me. For these and many other reasons
I salute you.

Charlie


Dan Adler

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Feb 10, 2008, 12:53:44 PM2/10/08
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On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, "charles robinson" <robinsonch...@comcast.net>
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Speak for yourself, Toots salutes his Metronome regularly and brings
him to gigs. He even made sure he got a round of applause:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOvJY42k8w

-Dan
http://danadler.com

Gerry

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Feb 10, 2008, 1:07:01 PM2/10/08
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On 2008-02-10 09:53:44 -0800, Dan Adler <d...@danadler.com> said:

> Speak for yourself, Toots salutes his Metronome regularly and brings
> him to gigs. He even made sure he got a round of applause:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOvJY42k8w

At first I thought Toots was rushing, but no: the metronome is dragging
unbelievably.
--
///---

Dan Adler

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Feb 10, 2008, 1:16:27 PM2/10/08
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You're probably joking, but I do find that quartz metronomes that are
low on battery can drag or speed up randomly, and the mechanical ones
like this can have all sorts of uneven friction-related issues.

-Dan
http://danadler.com

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Feb 10, 2008, 1:48:49 PM2/10/08
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Ah ha! So those are the culprits! The type of metronomes causing all
this friction.

-TD

Mark Cleary

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Feb 10, 2008, 2:41:40 PM2/10/08
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I really think the friction has all to do with the Gospel I just read
and had to preach about at Mass. Adam and Eva and the Fall, lets just
blame it on original sin and not the metronomes after all we built
metronomes God could see the thread at the dawn of creation and decide
to stay out of that business. We are culprits certainly not Jimmy B he
was like God he stays away. I do think though if God needed guitar
lesson he would look Jimmy up before anyone else.

Deacon mark

Mark Cleary plays Hollenbeck Jazz Guitars
Handmade http://hollenbeckguitar.com/

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Feb 10, 2008, 3:56:12 PM2/10/08
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Impossible. That metronome drives three Jaguars. Simultaneously.

charles robinson

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Feb 10, 2008, 6:23:18 PM2/10/08
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Not necessarily, it only means that they are becoming more like us. Some
feel that this touch of humanness is a good thing.
Charlie


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Feb 10, 2008, 6:31:11 PM2/10/08
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On Feb 10, 6:23 pm, "charles robinson" <robinsonch...@comcast.net>
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> Not necessarily, it only means that they are becoming more like us. Some
> feel that this touch of humanness is a good thing.
> Charlie
>
> <tonydecap...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> news:4b9af9df-0511-42a2...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 10, 1:16 pm, Dan Adler <d...@danadler.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > On Feb 10, 1:07 pm, Gerry <somewh...@sunny.calif> wrote:
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> > > On 2008-02-10 09:53:44 -0800, Dan Adler <d...@danadler.com> said:
>
> > > > Speak for yourself, Toots salutes his Metronome regularly and brings
> > > > him to gigs. He even made sure he got a round of applause:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOvJY42k8w
>
> > > At first I thought Toots was rushing, but no: the metronome is dragging
> > > unbelievably.
> > > --
> > > ///---
>
> > You're probably joking, but I do find that quartz metronomes that are
> > low on battery can drag or speed up randomly, and the mechanical ones
> > like this can have all sorts of uneven friction-related issues.
>
> > -Danhttp://danadler.com
>
> Ah ha! So those are the culprits! The type of metronomes causing all
> this friction.
>
> -TD- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Being able to hone in on any given tempo ( being laid down by anyone
carrying the ball), in the real world, perfect, near perfect, or
imperfect, if necessary; is a good thing, and where its at. That is an
everday occurrance with a player, whether the the time is being
dictated by a metronome or a donkey's ass.

-TD

charles robinson

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Feb 10, 2008, 6:35:30 PM2/10/08
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I'm with that one.
Charlie


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Mike C.

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Feb 10, 2008, 9:52:30 PM2/10/08
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Anyone who needs the help of a monkey's ass in order to play in time should
consider a different mode of expression than jazz guitar...

--
Mike C.
http://mikecrutcher.com
"A great percentage of people don't want a challenge. They want
something done to them, they don't want to participate. But there'll
always be maybe 15% that desire something more, and they'll search it
out. And maybe that's where art is."
- Bill Evans


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Feb 10, 2008, 11:03:19 PM2/10/08
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On Feb 10, 9:52 pm, "Mike C." <Funkifi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone who needs the help of a monkey's ass in order to play in time should
> consider a different mode of expression than jazz guitar...
>
> --
> Mike C.http://mikecrutcher.com

> "A great percentage of people don't want a challenge. They want
> something done to them, they don't want to participate. But there'll
> always be maybe 15% that desire something more, and they'll search it
> out. And maybe that's where art is."
> - Bill Evans
>

Did you mean Monkey's uncle?

-TD

charles robinson

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Feb 11, 2008, 12:24:04 AM2/11/08
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I'm with that one.
Charlie
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charles robinson

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Feb 11, 2008, 12:39:45 AM2/11/08
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I'm with that one.
Charlie

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oasysco

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Feb 11, 2008, 5:05:21 AM2/11/08
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On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, "charles robinson" <robinsonch...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Hey, you joke about those things, but I have owned many metronomes
over the years and never had one that kept time correctly - too slow,
too fast, randomly speeding up or slowing down. Granted, this usually
only happens during personal practice time, but they seem to be able
to sense when you are alone and that's when they change speed *and*
they do it such that you can never lock in. I think they're evil
devices probably sent here by alien beings intent on destroying our
self-confidence prior to some big invasion. You mark my words, MFNs
will be bring on the next ice age and may be to blame for all the wars
and stuff.

Greg

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Feb 11, 2008, 8:09:15 AM2/11/08
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On Feb 11, 12:39 am, "charles robinson" <robinsonch...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> I'm with that one.
> Charlie
>
> "Mike C." <Funkifi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> news:SImdnVceu_j2JTLa...@comcast.com...
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>
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> > Anyone who needs the help of a monkey's ass in order to play in time
> > should consider a different mode of expression than jazz guitar...
>
> > --
> > Mike C.
> >http://mikecrutcher.com
> > "A great percentage of people don't want a challenge. They want
> > something done to them, they don't want to participate. But there'll
> > always be maybe 15% that desire something more, and they'll search it
> > out. And maybe that's where art is."
> > - Bill Evans
>

I used the word "donkey" for one. And I am not certain that you got my
point. Or did you? I meant that we often have to play with drummers
and bassists who keep not such great time. We must be able to hone in
on this anyhow ( not fight them, but join them for the one gig, lets
say)and still make descent music. In other words, the show must go on.
In this case we are *forced* to have to play agianst faulty time and
feel. This is what I meant. I believe, at least Charlie, understood
what I meant.

-TD

jimmyb

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Feb 11, 2008, 8:53:22 AM2/11/08
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Tony, you are talking to a stone

charles robinson

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Feb 11, 2008, 8:59:03 AM2/11/08
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Yes, I understood what you meant. I had a job years ago as an accompanist
for a singer. We were on the road and every night we played with a different
group. My primary duty was to do just what you were talking about, listen to
the time feel that each group had and try to make it as workable as possible
within the context of the singers arrangements.
Charlie


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charles robinson

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Feb 11, 2008, 9:27:16 AM2/11/08
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What brings you to that particular conclusion, as I explained to him in a
post previous to this one I understand the difference between metronomic and
real world gig playing time. Personally I'm from the whatever works for you
school of thought. If that happens to be using a metronome more power to you
if not using one gives you the feeling of developing strong internal rhythm
once again more power to you.
Charlie


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charles robinson

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Feb 11, 2008, 9:33:48 AM2/11/08
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It's sounds as plausible as most of the other stuff that you hear these
days.
Charlie

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charles robinson

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Feb 11, 2008, 9:41:23 AM2/11/08
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Oh, I see (sorry) you were talking about the other guy not me, I just read
it wrong. (These have become touchy days around here, it pays not to joke.
Hopefully the post- holiday slump will end soon:)
Charlie

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Feb 11, 2008, 10:15:19 AM2/11/08
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On Feb 11, 9:41 am, "charles robinson" <robinsonch...@comcast.net>

Sorry Charlie, it was the other guy

charles robinson

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Feb 11, 2008, 10:28:31 AM2/11/08
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Whew! (Yeah, I realized it after I reread it:)
Charlie


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