peter bernstein on "Lady Bird"
paul
http://www.paulsanwald.com/wp/?p=146
though y'all might be interested. just out of curiosity, how useful do
y'all find transcriptions like this? because although I find the
process of doing them hugely useful, I must confess I have never
learned a solo from a printed transcription ever. I just find it much
easier to memorize things from audio recordings than I do from a page.
so while I post these here periodically, I'm not sure how useful they
are to others.
--paul
jseaberry
I find them very useful as I have picked up licks and ideas from solos
that I may not have access to, or may not have even heard. I have come
across many, including yours, that then prompted me to go out and hear
those that I may have otherwise not been cognizant of. so, THANK
YOU!!!!!
Kevin Van Sant
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<0ddaa167-3613-461d...@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> :
>though y'all might be interested. just out of curiosity, how useful do
>y'all find transcriptions like this? because although I find the
>process of doing them hugely useful, I must confess I have never
>learned a solo from a printed transcription ever. I just find it much
>easier to memorize things from audio recordings than I do from a page.
>so while I post these here periodically, I'm not sure how useful they
>are to others.
Though I don't do much more than short phrases that catch my ear
anymore, I find the process of transcribing very insightful. Like
you, I've never learned a solo off a printed page either. When doing
the transcription yourself you are depending on your ears,
internalizing and processing what you're hearing so that it makes
sense to you. Therein lies the value imo, I don't think there is as
much of that intuitive understanding coming from learning something
off a page. Or rather it isn't a *necessary* component, it's an extra
step past memorizing and fingerings that I'm guessing a lot of guys
don't take. Whereas it's almost impossible not to fold something
into your own paradigm when doing the transcription by ear. In terms
of using learned solos to broaden your own vocabulary or concept, I
think that's where the real growth occurs.
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ScotGormley
I have, and do, learn solos from printed transcriptions and really
appreciate them. Thank you, Paul. But the process of transcribing is
extremely important and is overlooked by many players. I don't do
nearly enough of it.
I was surprised once, though, when I went to Jim Hall seminar, and he
said that he had only transcribed a few solos in his career.
Roger
I love your transcriptions because of the completeness - you have the
solo right there to listen to and you make cogent and on-the-money
notes about the solo. I have to admit I haven't learned the solos yet,
but would like to, as PG is near the very top of players I love and
want to learn from.
Roger
Roger
Actually, on the topic of completeness, do you have the changes?
Sounds like a blues but when I counted it out, it seems not to conform
to 12 bar.
paul
>
> Actually, on the topic of completeness, do you have the changes?
> Sounds like a blues but when I counted it out, it seems not to conform
> to 12 bar.
do you mean for lady bird, or another transcription? the chord changes
to lady bird should be in the PDF. I don't always include the chord
changes in my transcriptions, but this time they should be there, let
me know if you don't see them.
--paul
Roger
Oops, I meant to specify for last month's xcript, Chant. I don't have
the recording, otherwise I'd do it myself, but it's a little harder to
hear the changes under a solo than the head. It sounds like a minor
blues, but it's not 12 bar afaict. And thanks again for sharing these.
If you want some cool blues things that Ted Greene gave me, just email
me @ rogert...@gmail.com.
Robert
I think that it's quite generous and useful. Keep 'em comin!
paul
idea if anyone was using them.
my main motivation for writing these down is that I like having a
electronic record of transcription work I have done. also, I think the
process of writing some of these things down helps my notation skillls
quite a bit.
--paul
Nice Dan from UK
I like the printed look of it, what program/fonts did you use?
paul
wrote:
> Good work!
> I like the printed look of it, what program/fonts did you use?
I use sibelius 5 with the "jazz reprise" font set. I think version 5
was a huge improvement for sibelius in terms of fonts as well as
playback.
--paul
Dan Adler
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:59:47 -0800 (PST), paul <pcsanw...@gmail.com>
> wrote in message
> <0ddaa167-3613-461d-ae33-d9861466c...@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> :
>
> >though y'all might be interested. just out of curiosity, how useful do
> >y'all find transcriptions like this? because although I find the
> >process of doing them hugely useful, I must confess I have never
> >learned a solo from a printed transcription ever. I just find it much
> >easier to memorize things from audio recordings than I do from a page.
> >so while I post these here periodically, I'm not sure how useful they
> >are to others.
>
> Though I don't do much more than short phrases that catch my ear
> anymore, I find the process of transcribing very insightful. Like
> you, I've never learned a solo off a printed page either. When doing
> the transcription yourself you are depending on your ears,
> internalizing and processing what you're hearing so that it makes
> sense to you. Therein lies the value imo, I don't think there is as
> much of that intuitive understanding coming from learning something
> off a page. Or rather it isn't a *necessary* component, it's an extra
> step past memorizing and fingerings that I'm guessing a lot of guys
> don't take. Whereas it's almost impossible not to fold something
> into your own paradigm when doing the transcription by ear. In terms
> of using learned solos to broaden your own vocabulary or concept, I
> think that's where the real growth occurs.
With all due respect, I'm sort of the opposite. I consider the ear
training aspect a side benefit. The value of a transcription to me is
twofold:
1. Understand the thought process
2. Be able to play it at tempo
If you can't do those two then you get only the residual ear training
value (which is still great). The jazz process is all about how did he
come up with such a phrase at such a spot, and once he did, how was he
able to execute it with great feel and articulation, and in that
respect the details of getting the articulation perfect are crucial.
But I don't think you have to learn 10 choruses to get that benefit.
One or two choruses that you can play along perfectly are enough to
get the essence. I keep hearing that sentence from the Bill Evans
video interview, that nothing is a worse curse to a jazz musician than
approximation. Bite off a small chunk, but get it perfect.
Fuzztone, Ammo
Paul, I really appreciate your solo transcriptions. I collect them, I
read them once in awhile, but I don't consider them "learned". I learn
a little bit each time I go through a solo by one of the greats - and
I'm thrilled to discover more greats when you and other transcribers
share pieces like this.
When it comes to audio recordings, sure I can learn a little by
listening to the solo, but memorization takes way too long! I agree
that the process of transcribing recordings is useful - actually, it's
the best way to get inside the music.
I like the look you are getting with Sibelius. I use Finale myself,
and notating solos like this is my way of increasing my understanding
of the music. Makes it possible to play it in every key. And please
let me know if it's OK to put a Tab staff with my transcriptions for
guitar - or offer both together and separately, in order to serve
guitarists of different abilities.
For example, Little Benny has both:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yaa4x6y
I like your work. Keep it up!
AMMO
JimK
Jim
Gerry
> On Sunday, November 1, 2009 11:59:47 AM UTC-7, paul wrote:
>> I've posted another peter bernstein transcription here:
>> http://www.paulsanwald.com/wp/?p=146
>>
>> though y'all might be interested. just out of curiosity, how useful do
>> y'all find transcriptions like this? because although I find the
>> process of doing them hugely useful, I must confess I have never
>> learned a solo from a printed transcription ever. I just find it much
>> easier to memorize things from audio recordings than I do from a page.
>> so while I post these here periodically, I'm not sure how useful they
>> are to others.
>
> those for others you have posted are not working. Thanks...
you're doing them already for your own purposes, by all means circulate
them publicly at least once so they can become available to someone who
uses them.
I agree that transcribing, whether on paper or in your head, it a great
crossword puzzle of sorts for guitarists regardless of their
skill-level. Like crossword puzzles, it's fun, even if you don't wind
up using any of it later. It becomes part of your aquifer.
--
Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
Joe G.
Another benefit is using things like your transcription for sight reading practice - this can be very challenging as the music wasn't written out before it was played. Cheers & Thanks!
Joe G.
thomas
But I haven't learned a single-note line from a transcription since I was a pup. I agree with TD -- the value of a transcription is in the making, not the reading.