My Soundclick Site - Should I Stay Or Should I Go?
gtrmon
like features (thanks mom) or my tendency to post idiotic advice. I guess
the proof would be in the pudding so; is it worth it to continue or should I
just unstring the old box and hang it in the toolshed? Beat me up if you
wish. I'm here for you, at least for the time being.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/donjudymusic.htm
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/gtrmonmusic.htm
Don Judy
Keith Freeman
-Keith
Music samples, tips, Portable Changes at
http://home.wanadoo.nl/keith.freeman/
E-mail: keith DOT freeman AT wanadoo DOT nl
oas...@oasysco.com
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Don,
Don't know what brought this all on, but I really like Confidentially, It's
You as I think I said almost a year ago.
Greg
bob r
dnhj...@comcast.net wrote on 2/13/04 9:36 AM:
> It has been suggested I would be better off ignored due either to my troll
> like features (thanks mom) or my tendency to post idiotic advice. I guess
> the proof would be in the pudding so; is it worth it to continue or should I
> just unstring the old box and hang it in the toolshed? Beat me up if you
> wish. I'm here for you, at least for the time being.
Kind of a heavy responsibility to lay on someone else, is it not?
My advice to you would be this: hang around if you're enjoying yourself;
leave if you're not. If it's validation you want, Usenet is not a good place
to look.
--
Bob Russell
http://www.bobrussellguitar.com
CD available: http://www.cdbaby.com/bobrussell
Jurupari
>the proof would be in the pudding so; is it worth it to continue or should I
>just unstring the old box and hang it in the toolshed?
Don, unless you really don't like playing you shouldn't ever do that.
Think of the things you love in life, family, wife, kids, job, hobbies,
anything.
None of them are perfect if you'e posting from Earth. What keeps it together
is how you feel about it, not what a bunch of disembodied notes from strangers
driven by incomprehensible personal issues may have to say.
Music is for you first and anyone else if at all after that.
If you don't like Wes, fine - my best friend didn't like Wes, and he was a
helluva guitar player - it's a moot point now as they're both dead.
We're all gonna be dead sometime very very soon with respect to cosmic
proportionality and until then or disablility I'm gonna play regardless.
If there's an issue, I'd say dump the newsgroup and keep the guitar, or just
killfile prn.
Clif
bob r
juru...@aol.com wrote on 2/13/04 11:00 AM:
> If there's an issue, I'd say dump the newsgroup and keep the guitar
Now there's some good advice...
Max Leggett
>in article 20040213110021...@mb-m27.aol.com, Jurupari at
>juru...@aol.com wrote on 2/13/04 11:00 AM:
>
>> If there's an issue, I'd say dump the newsgroup and keep the guitar
>
>Now there's some good advice...
:-) It sure is. If I spent all the time I do online practicing and
studying, I wouldn't need the advice I get online.
But think of the flame wars I'd miss ..........
William C.
I haven't listened to most of the people here.... hell, I've got enough with
listening to me.... plus phone line (cheep cheep) instead of Fast means when
it comes to listening to sound files from players, I generally just can't
get with it....
with it.... staying... with it.... that would probably be up to Your Muse,
not, "you," anyway.... You two need to iron some things out....
"gtrmon" <dnhj...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Gerry
<dnhj...@comcast.net> wrote:
> It has been suggested I would be better off ignored due either to my
> troll like features (thanks mom) or my tendency to post idiotic
> advice.
I have a feature in my newsreader that kills users with time limit (30
days or something), then they are restored shaded orange. You're
orange. I don't remember why but assume you were an asshole or
unnecessarily combative or incendiary. Maybe not, I forget. That's one
of the nice things about kill-file features; one needn't spend much
time at all with trolls and fun-busters.
> I guess the proof would be in the pudding so; is it worth it to
> continue or should I just unstring the old box and hang it in the
> toolshed? Beat me up if you wish. I'm here for you, at least for the
> time being.
I think the Tone 10 thing is way too sloppy in terms of just plain ol'
precision both time and accuracy. I don't like that echo effect and
think a rockabiliy sound can be got with the playing and not the echo.
That's not to say that I, or any others present are better or worse.
It's a personal preference. Same with the solo on Confidentially,
though it's feel is completely convincing.
That says nothing about it's level of "authenticity" relative to the
kind of music you're playing.
The Loon has too much effect on the guitar for me. It's in a porridge.
But then I'm not a big fan of overloading effects. Don't like the fuzz
tone on The Loon either, see? Clearly a personal preference. I thought
I'd get a chance to say the chorus is too up in the mix, but you missed
the gate on that one. I've started saying "way too much chorus" now
before the song actually begins.
I have other negative comments about the recording qualities (or medium
transfers or whatever), but like the preceding I assume they are
irrelevant to your question.
The guitar playing is not bad. Better than many in this guitar-lousy
world, worse than others. Clearly evidence of somebody who has a
significant interest and love of music and guitar
I'd suggest you give it up. That's right--hang up your guitar and call
it quits. Take up bowling. Honestly, it's laughable to think you'd be
able to do that from the advice of a shmuck like me, or a bona-fide
Mayo Clinic Uber-Doctor telling you it's the only way to hold off a
deteriorating nerve disorder.
You're a guitar player, and if you don't think so, just quit and see
how many days it takes before you're dragging the guitar back out of
the toolshed.
P.S. My wife wandered in here a minute ago, not completely unusual but
not common either, to ask what I was playing. I play a lot of old pop
musics, blues, eastern-European music, Brazilian, etc. All kinds of
stuff. Some she likes others she ignores. She's not particularly rigid
in here tastes. Thank god I found her.
She wanted to know what the last few songs were. She said she really
like the singing, the songs, the "whole package". I said, "well how do
you like his guitar playing, do think he is a 'good jazz guitarist' or
not. And we had to quibble about semantics for awhile. In the end we
concluded as we usually do on such matters, "Well I just like, that's
all. Tell him I liked his songs.'"
So there--I've done my best to do both your bidding and my wife's.
--
First they gerrymander us into one-party fiefs. Then they tell us they only
care about the swing districts. Then they complain about voter apathy.
-- Gail Collins
gtrmon
"Max Leggett" <hepkatre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:34:42 -0500, bob r <w...@earp.com> wrote:
>
> >in article 20040213110021...@mb-m27.aol.com, Jurupari at
> >juru...@aol.com wrote on 2/13/04 11:00 AM:
> >
> >> If there's an issue, I'd say dump the newsgroup and keep the guitar
> >
> >Now there's some good advice...
>
> :-) It sure is. If I spent all the time I do online practicing and
> studying, I wouldn't need the advice I get online.
>
> But think of the flame wars I'd miss ..........
Flame war!? Where? :)
florian schmidt
Tone 10 fingers suxx0rs
Confidentally is very nice :)
You really got a voice. Use it and keep playing guitar, too :) If you
don't like your own playing, keep working at it..
Flo
--
signature :)
florian schmidt
> Tone 10 fingers suxx0rs
>
> Confidentally is very nice :)
>
> You really got a voice. Use it and keep playing guitar, too :) If you
> don't like your own playing, keep working at it..
I have to add one observation: I have the feeling that in your solos you
want more than your fingers can "deliver". I fall into this trap
constantly, too.. Either play less complicated stuff or practice more :)
Flo
--
signature :)
Kurt Shapiro
most of us would have to leave, including some incredibly good and even
genius-great and famous players.
I'd be the only guitarist left in the newsgroup.
"gtrmon" <dnhj...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Paul Sanwald
> like features (thanks mom) or my tendency to post idiotic advice.
hi don,
our recent disagreements notwithstanding, you seem to mean well and
not always convey that so well in print. join the club :). it's not up
to anyone but yourself whether you choose to waste time on usenet or
just watch tv instead of whatever. personally I have learned a ton
from this group, and that's mainly why I stick around.
as far as posting your clips go, your touch is nice. I think you
should work on your time feel, it sounds very shaky at times. go for a
strong, foot tapping groove from beginning to end.
--paul
Gerry
<kurtWITHOUTT...@hotmailNOSPAMTHANKS.com> wrote:
> I'd be the only guitarist left in the newsgroup.
Very funny. Now pack up your bags and move along...
David Kotschessa
is not necessarily indicative of whether you should post or even give
advice on this newsgroup.
When I give "advice" here I am doing it as one student of the
instrument to another. I'm saying "I think this works, try it, what
do you think?" And we are all students of the instrument, always.
And this is not towards you specifically but enough of these "I'm
going to leave the group soon!" posts already. It's a newsgroup. You
don't come or go, you post, or read, or not.
gtrmon
>
> Don't know what brought this all on, but I really like Confidentially,
It's
> You as I think I said almost a year ago.
>
> Greg
Thanks Greg. I 'ppreciaten it then and now.
dj
gtrmon
"florian schmidt" <mista.nos...@gmx.nospam.net> wrote in message
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early it needs improvement and you never unlearn that. I thought my Tone 10
sucked and ors. Actually, it's better than that, but a couple little
fingermind glitches ruin the effect of playing around tempo without regard
to mathematic satisfaction. I'm happy with all but about 12 seconds, fwiw,
but I believe in first takes, the immediacy of live performing and all that.
I could easily have done some editing but consequentially would have lost
all respect for myself and *then* who would I have slept with that night? :)
dj
dj
gtrmon
"florian schmidt" <mista.nos...@gmx.nospam.net> wrote in message
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Playing actually puts me in physical pain after awhile. I've had to cut back
on practice time... I still play with others, it's easier to deal with the
aftereffects the next day.
dj
gtrmon
"David Kotschessa" <dkots...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, after 15 years of usenet, 10 as a regular, you'd think I'd have got
the idea that it's best to consider it a post it note kind of place rather
than anything else. Thanks, David.
dj
gtrmon
"Paul Sanwald" <pcsa...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> "gtrmon" <dnhj...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > It has been suggested I would be better off ignored due either to my
troll
> > like features (thanks mom) or my tendency to post idiotic advice.
>
> hi don,
> our recent disagreements notwithstanding, you seem to mean well and
> not always convey that so well in print. join the club :). it's not up
> to anyone but yourself whether you choose to waste time on usenet or
> just watch tv instead of whatever. personally I have learned a ton
> from this group, and that's mainly why I stick around.
Oh, I'm definitely here mostly to scarf up the helpful tidbits. And see what
Clif and Max come up with, of course.
> as far as posting your clips go, your touch is nice. I think you
> should work on your time feel, it sounds very shaky at times. go for a
> strong, foot tapping groove from beginning to end.
>
> --paul
Thanks for the good advice. Like I said elsewhere, I think about a few
seconds of finger vs mind glitches were able to destroy much of the
nonmathematical flow I attempt to achieve. It's all in believing in what
you're playing and as a listener believing in what you're hearing. Fwiw, I
wasn't lost or far away from what I wanted to do at any time. I'll try to
rein it in more, but that's getting away from my advice which I always give
to myself and others; fear less, play more. Unfortunately the play more
option is becoming less viable lately.
Best,
dj
dj
gtrmon
"Kurt Shapiro" <kurtWITHOUTT...@hotmailNOSPAMTHANKS.com> wrote in
message news:4sadnbUjH-D...@comcast.com...
> If trolling and idiotic advice were grounds to bar someone from posting,
> most of us would have to leave, including some incredibly good and even
> genius-great and famous players.
>
> I'd be the only guitarist left in the newsgroup.
That's why you never get the membership fee reminder around the end of the
year.
dj
gtrmon
"Gerry" <222...@spam.really.sucks> wrote in message
news:130220040947068446%222...@spam.really.sucks...
> In article <nOqdnSWXrZ-...@comcast.com>, gtrmon
> <dnhj...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > It has been suggested I would be better off ignored due either to my
> > troll like features (thanks mom) or my tendency to post idiotic
> > advice.
>
> I have a feature in my newsreader that kills users with time limit (30
> days or something), then they are restored shaded orange. You're
> orange. I don't remember why but assume you were an asshole or
> unnecessarily combative or incendiary. Maybe not, I forget. That's one
> of the nice things about kill-file features; one needn't spend much
> time at all with trolls and fun-busters.
Watch the spelling, Gerry. Personally I like fun bustiers.
> > I guess the proof would be in the pudding so; is it worth it to
> > continue or should I just unstring the old box and hang it in the
> > toolshed? Beat me up if you wish. I'm here for you, at least for the
> > time being.
>
> I think the Tone 10 thing is way too sloppy in terms of just plain ol'
> precision both time and accuracy. I don't like that echo effect and
> think a rockabiliy sound can be got with the playing and not the echo.
> That's not to say that I, or any others present are better or worse.
> It's a personal preference. Same with the solo on Confidentially,
> though it's feel is completely convincing.
I removed the echo. I couldn't find a mixed version without it, so I
reassembled the two tracks and reuploaded. Talk about lazy or unthinking.
One of the above at least.
> That says nothing about it's level of "authenticity" relative to the
> kind of music you're playing.
I just play. I don't really worry about authenticity. Really, I play like
myself. I had never played a solo over Confidentially in the 27 years
since I wrote it. It's a first and still only take. I double tracked and
added lead on one track and just for the solo. At the end of the solo
there's a little bit that I played on the fingerpicked track that I never
had done before and it through my vocal entry off. When I listened back
I decided the thrust wasn't bad and based the solo off that.
I really believe in live music, no dubbing and all that and that recording
has placed an ugly premium on seamless perfection. Not to say I don't
appreciate great playing, which mine isn't. I've played in renaissance
ensembles and can appreciate precision.
> The Loon has too much effect on the guitar for me. It's in a porridge.
> But then I'm not a big fan of overloading effects. Don't like the fuzz
> tone on The Loon either, see? Clearly a personal preference. I thought
> I'd get a chance to say the chorus is too up in the mix, but you missed
> the gate on that one. I've started saying "way too much chorus" now
> before the song actually begins.
Think of it "the first guitar tone" as an attempt to get an overall effect
of distance in time, space, existence. Jeff's PRS sounds good, I think. It
was totally out of character for me, I would never have thought of it.
Don't know what you mean by missed the gate.
> I have other negative comments about the recording qualities (or medium
> transfers or whatever), but like the preceding I assume they are
> irrelevant to your question.
Shiite medium transfer.
> The guitar playing is not bad. Better than many in this guitar-lousy
> world, worse than others. Clearly evidence of somebody who has a
> significant interest and love of music and guitar
I don't feel as bummed now. The toolshed business is not an option at
present, but we live in a physical world at certain points.
> I'd suggest you give it up. That's right--hang up your guitar and call
> it quits. Take up bowling. Honestly, it's laughable to think you'd be
> able to do that from the advice of a shmuck like me, or a bona-fide
> Mayo Clinic Uber-Doctor telling you it's the only way to hold off a
> deteriorating nerve disorder.
But... but... bowling would eff up my fingers. And my buddy just sold
his bowling alley. I'd have to pay.
> You're a guitar player, and if you don't think so, just quit and see
> how many days it takes before you're dragging the guitar back out of
> the toolshed.
Thanks, Gerry.
> P.S. My wife wandered in here a minute ago, not completely unusual but
> not common either, to ask what I was playing. I play a lot of old pop
> musics, blues, eastern-European music, Brazilian, etc. All kinds of
> stuff. Some she likes others she ignores. She's not particularly rigid
> in here tastes. Thank god I found her.
Undoubtedly a woman of uncommon taste and perception.
> She wanted to know what the last few songs were. She said she really
> like the singing, the songs, the "whole package". I said, "well how do
> you like his guitar playing, do think he is a 'good jazz guitarist' or
> not. And we had to quibble about semantics for awhile. In the end we
> concluded as we usually do on such matters, "Well I just like, that's
> all. Tell him I liked his songs.'"
See above. Actually, I prefer to play my own tunes for nonmusicians.
There's a whole lot of them out there. Or rather, nonprofessional musicians
who don't compartmentalize the beauty of music to a detrimental point
according to the execution of quantified goals that
can replace esthetics. Hey, there's the word that probably made you
kf me. I mean to say that I try to make a piece work as a whole.
People have been getting me to play my tunes without coercion on my
part for a long time. It's a particularly satisfying thing, even when it's
something that would be my private satin doll. I hope I'm making sense
here and not sounding mean.
> So there--I've done my best to do both your bidding and my wife's.
>
Smart man. I mean regarding the wife's. I'll put more of my stuff up as
soon as I get my state of the art recording studio (shure into mic in)
up and running again. I've fouled up an input or something.
dj -- and that's one of the few sigs I'll let ride down there
gtrmon
on the guitar or unaware of what constitutes good playing
or sour on life or post some "what the most.. or who's the
best yada yada" nonsense. Never occurred to me. Ever.
Sorry I sounded so melodramatic. I'm trying to rein everything
in now. Language, guitar playing, the usual. It'll pass. Thanks,
you always have a great take on things. Like I said before , I'm
looking forward to hearing your playing sometime.
having a good time right now, just taking a pause...
dj
"William C." <misterw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Dan Adler
> > as far as posting your clips go, your touch is nice. I think you
> > should work on your time feel, it sounds very shaky at times. go for a
> > strong, foot tapping groove from beginning to end.
> >
> > --paul
>
> Thanks for the good advice. Like I said elsewhere, I think about a few
> seconds of finger vs mind glitches were able to destroy much of the
> nonmathematical flow I attempt to achieve. It's all in believing in what
> you're playing and as a listener believing in what you're hearing. Fwiw, I
> wasn't lost or far away from what I wanted to do at any time. I'll try to
> rein it in more, but that's getting away from my advice which I always give
> to myself and others; fear less, play more. Unfortunately the play more
> option is becoming less viable lately.
What Paul is saying, which I heared too on the first track is a need
for more rhythmic and melodic jazz vocabulary if that's what you are
going for. The issue is not finger vs mind. The issue is finger vs
ear. A lot of what I heared did not sound ear-driven.
The best test for something being ear-driven (as explained by Joe
Pass) is if you can immediately repeat any phrase you just played with
your eyes closed. Then repeat it an octave higher/lower. When you can
do that, then you can let your musical mind wander and your fingers
will follow, until then, I think a more conscious approach is
warranted.
gtrmon
"Dan Adler" <d...@danadler.com> wrote in message
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listened to it and I agree I don't hear the phrasing coming together quite
like I like it. FWIW, I do hear a lot of what I play. It's hard to keep up
with what I want to produce sometimes, but I like the way I'm going about
it. I mean I enjoy it while I'm doing it. The playback isn't always to my
liking, but I usually like it better after some time apart. I would never
have let anyone hear that immediately after I played it. I was really
depressed with what I heard. Which stuff do you think I didn't hear besides
the glitches? I know there's a specific finger driven thing there that I'm
doing too much. I often hear the same in other players but... hmmm, better
not get in any deeper. :) Let's just say the spirit of Lester Flatt seems to
have spread beyond the bluegrass underworld. I'm not talking about you. BTW,
I often seem to hear some very finger driven
playing by Joe Pass. I'm not putting him down, he's no doubt my very
favorite player along with Tal Farlow, and reading what he's said I have no
doubt he had no shame about it, and I'm sure he could hum it, so it's hard
to disagree. Feel free to disabuse me of my notions, I really am trying to
get better and do not feel I have all the answers. That would be craziness.
dj
dj
William C.
> I'm trying to rein everything
> in now. Language, guitar playing, the usual.
Every now and again, have to get the wrenches out and tighten up, adjust.
> Like I said before , I'm
> looking forward to hearing your playing sometime.
Me too.
> having a good time right now, just taking a pause...
I'm chilling as well.
> dj
Bill
tomw
says...
> I don't know if I've ever known *anyone* who liked their playing. You learn
> early it needs improvement and you never unlearn that. I thought my Tone 10
> sucked and ors. Actually, it's better than that, but a couple little
> fingermind glitches ruin the effect of playing around tempo without regard
> to mathematic satisfaction.
I find that when you play against the time that it's supremely important
that your time be accurate or it sounds like shite. IMHO this is even
true of triplets. Rock 'n roll triplets are an abomination unto god. :)
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/
gtrmon
"tomw" <tw25R...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
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>
> I find that when you play against the time that it's supremely important
> that your time be accurate or it sounds like shite. IMHO this is even
> true of triplets. Rock 'n roll triplets are an abomination unto god. :)
>
> --
letting the bad ones out. It happens when we play live all the time.
Hey, and god likes rocknroll. Just ask Roy Buchanan.
dj
tomw
says...
It's like poor people -- he must love them or he wouldn't have made so
many! When I say "rock 'n roll triplets" I mean those triplets that are
just spewed out without a nod-of-the-head nor a fare-thee-well to the
beat. It's all about wiggling your fingers. Scotty Moore, James Burton,
Cliff Gallup, etc. played lovely triplets. Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton
too. George Harrison, Carl Perkins, Duke Robillard, Brian Setzer... the
list goes ever on. The offenders shall remain nameless, but the player
who really gets my goat is me.