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matt u

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Nov 10, 2003, 12:18:22 AM11/10/03
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I tell myself I just want the right one, so I can stop thinking about
it... we'll see. However, I want to wipe the slate clean and approach
the issue from scratch, and I'd like to get some ideas from the group.

So, I have two simple questions for those who play through an amp, if
you'll indulge me:

What amp(s) do you use?

What do you like and dislike about it(them)?

I'll start -

I've got an Alessandro Working Dog (6L6) - very well built; lightweight;
warm clean tone with a sense of depth; sweet, detailed midrange. But,
the low end can be a bit over-sized, the highs are sorta scratchy, and
it feeds back really quickly on the note G when in the second octave
(5th fret D string).

I've also got a 1966 Deluxe that some days has a clean, clear, rich
sound. However, there's not enough clean headroom and some days it
sounds thin and too bright.

m

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Pt

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Nov 10, 2003, 1:32:03 AM11/10/03
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:18:22 -0600, matt u
<lookatth...@lowsounds.org> wrote:

I mostly use a Marshall JCM 900 Dual Reverb 50 watt head with EL-34's
through either a Marshall 2X12 cabinet or through a 4X10 cabinet with
a tweeter.
I also use a Marshall JMP Mk 2 100 watt for louder gigs.

The JCM is set up with a bigger power transformer than original and it
is biased for clean headroom.
Sounds great for jazz.
If I want good distortion I use an 808 Tubescreamer.

Occasionally I will play through a preamp/power amp.
But I don't care for SS amps.

Pt

George Prager

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Nov 10, 2003, 9:02:52 AM11/10/03
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Roland Cube 60, approx 15 years old. Bought it about three months ago and
I'm loving it. Clean, enough power, beautiful reverb, does the job

Another amp I used to love (but sold during a financial crunch) was the
Peavey Classic 30. Unlike the Roland, it was a tube amp (or at least a tube
preamp - someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong)

I've gone through too many to count. The Roland is really very fine for jazz

George
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Greger Hoel

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Nov 10, 2003, 2:18:10 PM11/10/03
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:02:52 -0500, "George Prager"
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>Another amp I used to love (but sold during a financial crunch) was the
>Peavey Classic 30. Unlike the Roland, it was a tube amp (or at least a tube
>preamp - someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong)

'tis an all tube job.
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Nov 10, 2003, 2:57:47 PM11/10/03
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Roland JC90, Fender Pro Jr., Fender Princeton Reverb (67 blackface).

Roland: It's clean clean clean, and pretty warm for a SS amp. Sometimes it
sounds sterile.

Pro Jr: It's cheap, lightweight, and sounds good. Has cool overdrive tones
when pushed hard. Very warm tube amp, and simple controls (master vol and
tone). Doesn't have a built in reverb, so gotta use a pedal.

Princeton: Best clean sound around IMO. Great reverb and Tremelo. Kinda
heavy for the watts (only 20 watts). It's real old and some days it'll make
strange noises.

-Paul H.


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Rick Del Savio

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Nov 10, 2003, 3:08:39 PM11/10/03
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Hi. I'm using a Roland Cube 30. First into an ART pre-amp, 12AX7 tube,
then also using the 'Black Panel' setting on the cube. Nice creamy tone,
imo. RDS :)

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S7343

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Nov 10, 2003, 6:41:23 PM11/10/03
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I use a JC90 sometimes. It tends to lack low end IMO. But it's still a nice
amp.
I also use a JC50 which is the Jazz Chorus with 15" speaker. Of the 2 Rolands
it's my favorite but it tends to cause problems with oxidation building up on
contact points and you have to deal with the thing cutting out occassionally.
I sometimes use an Accoustic Image Clarus R1 with a RE cabinet. 1 12". I have
to roll off a lot of the bass. I haven't had a chance to see what it sounds
like cranked up cuz I play mostly restaurant gigs.
Another amp that I like a lot is a little Polytone Mini Brute II. It has a 10"
speaker with not much power so it's real nice in low volumn gigs. It's pretty
much the amp I use the most now days and I just leave it on the stage where I
play.

Steve

icarusi

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Nov 10, 2003, 11:21:44 AM11/10/03
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matt u <lookatth...@lowsounds.org> wrote in message
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> What amp(s) do you use?


>
> What do you like and dislike about it(them)?

Various, and I lke rotating them, same as guitars. Different guitar plus
different amp equals different sound and feel, and often different playing
ideas. I'm currently into amps with an in-built DSP FX section, for
convenience. Going back to simpler amps makes me think what it would sound
like with a versatile reverb unit, or multi-FX, in the FX loop.

Icarusi
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Old Radios

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Nov 11, 2003, 4:48:39 PM11/11/03
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Matt.
I use a Fender Custom Vibrolux for a working amp when not playing jazz.
For jazz I have a Polytone Mini Brute IV ('85 or so).

That said, in the years I've played I've noticed the phenomena that I'll
call "psycho-acoustics". Some days your equipment sounds awesome - some
days it sound like crap. You can have the exact same settings and this
will still happen. My philosophy is, because we're human, lots of
things factor in to this including state of mind, condition of your
hears, mood, emotions, etc. Not to mention the room you're playing in,
humidity, temperature, smoke etc.

My teacher plays a dusty L-5 through the cheapest Peavey he could find
and he sounds awesome. After hearing him I completely dropped the
pursuit of the perfect sound and just take into consideration that on
the days my equipment sounds terrible, I take to heart that tomorrow it
*may* sound better.

Mark.

matt u wrote:
> I tell myself I just want the right one, so I can stop thinking about
> it... we'll see. However, I want to wipe the slate clean and approach
> the issue from scratch, and I'd like to get some ideas from the group.
>
> So, I have two simple questions for those who play through an amp, if
> you'll indulge me:
>
> What amp(s) do you use?
>
> What do you like and dislike about it(them)?
>
> I'll start -
>
> I've got an Alessandro Working Dog (6L6) - very well built; lightweight;
> warm clean tone with a sense of depth; sweet, detailed midrange. But,
> the low end can be a bit over-sized, the highs are sorta scratchy, and
> it feeds back really quickly on the note G when in the second octave
> (5th fret D string).
>
> I've also got a 1966 Deluxe that some days has a clean, clear, rich
> sound. However, there's not enough clean headroom and some days it
> sounds thin and too bright.
>
> m
>


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matt u

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Nov 11, 2003, 5:39:48 PM11/11/03
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Old Radios wrote:

> That said, in the years I've played I've noticed the phenomena that I'll
> call "psycho-acoustics". Some days your equipment sounds awesome - some
> days it sound like crap.

Yeah, I know just what you're talking about. Some of that I'm sure is
the acoustic enivronment you're in. There's no way my 300 sq ft living
room will sound like a 3,000 sq ft club. And then add to that other
folks playing and talking, and it's a very different sound.

But also, when I'm at home, I'm listening very closely to the timbre -
and probably playing differently as a result.

I do think that seeking out equipment to fix this is really me chasing
my tail, but part of me still wants to keep trying...

> ...


> I use a Fender Custom Vibrolux for a working amp when not playing jazz.
> For jazz I have a Polytone Mini Brute IV ('85 or so).

That said, how do you like your Vibrolux? Why don't you use it for jazz?

Thanks,
m

Old Radios

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Nov 12, 2003, 9:43:30 AM11/12/03
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Ever play a nice piece of equipment in a music store, think "that's
it!", then buy it and get it home and it's nothing like what it sounded
like in the store... Why does it have to be like that? ;)

> That said, how do you like your Vibrolux? Why don't you use it for jazz?
>

The Vibrolux is a great working amp. I traded 3 amps for it new 4 years
ago (Fender Blues Deluxe, 72 VibroChamp, Mesa/Boogie DC3) and it's
worked flawlessly every week. I mainly play modern "worship music" at
my church, which is anything from pop rock to fusion style. Using a
Strat, you can't beat that real Fender sound. The Vibrolux has 2
independent channels so I run two sets of effects, one into each
channel, and use an AB/Y switch. I get anything from a great
Mesa/Marshall tone to pure Fender to Texas blues. (OK, this is a jazz
NG - I'll stop with the other styles!). The Vibrolux is a "dryer" tone
than a Twin. It has 2 10" speakers. If I were to use it for jazz, I'd
probably get a Deluxe Reverb or a Twin because I think the 12" speakers
offer a richer jazz tone. (just my opinion). My only (small) complaint
is it hisses, but they all do.

Why don't I use it for jazz? I do sometimes, but with a hollow-body it
tends to feed back when it's turned up to club levels, where the
Polytone doesn't.

Mark.

Paul Hintz

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Nov 13, 2003, 9:47:35 AM11/13/03
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> My teacher plays a dusty L-5 through the cheapest Peavey he could find
> and he sounds awesome. After hearing him I completely dropped the
> pursuit of the perfect sound and just take into consideration that on
> the days my equipment sounds terrible, I take to heart that tomorrow it
> *may* sound better.
>
Mark,
Is that Don Linke in Milwaukee? He's a great guitarist and a great
guy. I've known him a long, long time. He's made a number of CDs. His
solo guitar one is especially nice. Quite a bassist, too. And the last
time I saw him, that L-5 was actually a 'lawsuit' Ibanez version. Tell
him I said hi.
regards,
Paul

Old Radios

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Nov 13, 2003, 5:42:31 PM11/13/03
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Hi, Paul.
I've heard Don Linke, but this isn't him. It's Roger Brotherhood - have
you heard of him? Roger's a Madison guitarist, but more recently moved
to Milwaukee. A truly amazing straight ahead jazz player and a gifted
teacher. Roger's in is 50's (I think) and IMHO could go toe-to-toe with
the greatest (Jimmy Bruno, Wes, you name it). Not toe-to-toe
competitive!, I'm just saying he's a gifted, talented, hard working
player and a great guy.

He plays this L-5, and it's so funny because one of the knobs is
missing, it's dusty(!), and here's me with my vintage '50 L-4c, afraid
to take it outside! What Roger taught me w/out a word is, it's not the
equipment - it's the player. I was ready to give up on my '57 ES-125
because I thought the tone stunk. Roger picks it up at one lesson "oh,
this is nice..." and starts sounding like... Roger Brotherhood. I
though "Ah, ha! He's playing through this old Polytone! That's what I
need." I got one and, you guessed it, I still sounded like me :( He
plays gigs through these crummy old Peavey amps because he says they're
cheap and they don't brake. He STILL has awesome tone.

Anyhow.... Are you from Milwaukee, then?
Mark.

JohnQPublic

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Nov 14, 2003, 10:21:23 AM11/14/03
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Bicycle racers have a saying: "It's not the bike, it's the engine."


Mike O'Malley

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Nov 14, 2003, 2:45:25 PM11/14/03
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matt u <lookatth...@lowsounds.org> wrote in message news:<bon733$1f79fh$1...@ID-138435.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> I tell myself I just want the right one, so I can stop thinking about
> it... we'll see. However, I want to wipe the slate clean and approach
> the issue from scratch, and I'd like to get some ideas from the group.
>
> So, I have two simple questions for those who play through an amp, if
> you'll indulge me:
>
> What amp(s) do you use?
>

I had a working dog--nive and light, really well made, but the lows
boomed and the highs were scratchy. It was fatiguing to play. Sold it,
abought a deluxe rverb--great sounding amp. culd use a little more
clean headroom, but A: i like a little drive, and B: a weber ceramic
speaker in there greatly increases volume before breakup

I also have a roland cube 30--pretty cool amp for cheap. i also use
the "black panel" setting almost exclusively. a very decent sound and
a small, portable package

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