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lemongonggong
Jan 13, 2012, 1:42:29 AM1/13/12
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Hey guys,
In my search for a way to blend to magnetic pickups and piezo for
quite some time, I think I might have found a way.
It might sound crazy, but I think dtar wavelength multi-source could
be a possible option. There's a preamp for the piezo and another input
on the preamp for nagnetic pickups. The Veilette archtop bass blend
their mags and piezo through a dtar wavelength too. The problem is
though that you will need a bridge with a saddle slot to put the piezo
pickup.(..and a saddle of course..)
Here's the description on the DTAR site
The Wave-Length combines a thin, piezo under-saddle transducer with an
18v, low-noise, high input impedance preamp, to create a system with
twice the dynamic range of typical 9v systems. The 18v preamp is
powered by two “AA” batteries. With 18 volts, your signal has more
headroom, so hard strumming won’t distort as easily. The preamp has an
input for a second source, like a magnetic pickup or a soundboard
transducer.
Two adjustable trim pots, one low frequency shelving and one high
frequency shelving, allow you to fine tune and “set and forget” the
bass and treble frequencies to optimize the Wave-Length for your
instrument’s size and shape; enabling you transparently amplify the
natural timbre of your acoustic guitar with minimal coloration.
Includes 1/4 ” jack (jack 6,35) and detailed installation
instructions.
On another note, would swapping the wavelength piezo pickup with
saying a PUTW one work? So connected to the preamp will be the PUTW as
the first source and the magnetic pickup as the second source.
Any thoughts?
In my search for a way to blend to magnetic pickups and piezo for
quite some time, I think I might have found a way.
It might sound crazy, but I think dtar wavelength multi-source could
be a possible option. There's a preamp for the piezo and another input
on the preamp for nagnetic pickups. The Veilette archtop bass blend
their mags and piezo through a dtar wavelength too. The problem is
though that you will need a bridge with a saddle slot to put the piezo
pickup.(..and a saddle of course..)
Here's the description on the DTAR site
The Wave-Length combines a thin, piezo under-saddle transducer with an
18v, low-noise, high input impedance preamp, to create a system with
twice the dynamic range of typical 9v systems. The 18v preamp is
powered by two “AA” batteries. With 18 volts, your signal has more
headroom, so hard strumming won’t distort as easily. The preamp has an
input for a second source, like a magnetic pickup or a soundboard
transducer.
Two adjustable trim pots, one low frequency shelving and one high
frequency shelving, allow you to fine tune and “set and forget” the
bass and treble frequencies to optimize the Wave-Length for your
instrument’s size and shape; enabling you transparently amplify the
natural timbre of your acoustic guitar with minimal coloration.
Includes 1/4 ” jack (jack 6,35) and detailed installation
instructions.
On another note, would swapping the wavelength piezo pickup with
saying a PUTW one work? So connected to the preamp will be the PUTW as
the first source and the magnetic pickup as the second source.
Any thoughts?
Gerry
Jan 13, 2012, 1:50:24 AM1/13/12
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On 2012-01-12 22:42:29 -0800, lemongonggong said:
> Any thoughts?
I don't know about all the many technical details you metnion, but my
Brian Moore i8 (solid-body) has a stereo line going out of it's jack:
One side is from the mag pickups, the other side from the RMC piezo in
the bridge used for midi-tracking. If I plug in the 13-pin the midi
will go out that way in conjunction with the audio (to my GR30), but
now piezo audio is routed this way.
In any case, going back to the stereo audio jack: I've run that out to
a two-channel amp, fiddled around mixing the piezo and mag, and it gave
a really interesting rich sound that, as you might imagine, made it
sound more "acoustic-ish".
--
Where words fail, music speaks. -- Hans Christian Anderson
> Any thoughts?
I don't know about all the many technical details you metnion, but my
Brian Moore i8 (solid-body) has a stereo line going out of it's jack:
One side is from the mag pickups, the other side from the RMC piezo in
the bridge used for midi-tracking. If I plug in the 13-pin the midi
will go out that way in conjunction with the audio (to my GR30), but
now piezo audio is routed this way.
In any case, going back to the stereo audio jack: I've run that out to
a two-channel amp, fiddled around mixing the piezo and mag, and it gave
a really interesting rich sound that, as you might imagine, made it
sound more "acoustic-ish".
--
Where words fail, music speaks. -- Hans Christian Anderson
Tim McNamara
Jan 13, 2012, 10:39:52 AM1/13/12
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In article
<145e6103-76c0-4607...@h7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com>,
string is the best sounding amplified "classical" guitar sound I have
ever heard, despite being a semi-hollow body guitar. Part of that is
due to being an 18v instead of 9v preamp, which seems to improve the
headroom and to make it easier to eliminate the awful piezo quack that
afflicts most piezo pickup systems (especially noticeable with nylon
string guitars, to my ears).
I haven't heard the setup of which you speak, but Turner seems to know
what he is doing. You can e-mail him directly and ask him about pickup
options through his web site:
http://www.renaissanceguitars.com/
His Renaissance basses are also supposed to sound great, although I have
not heard one in person.
I've been giving some thought to getting an RS-6W with a neck humbucker.
--
"The surprising thing about humanity is that Man sacrifices his health in
order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And
then he is so anxious about the future that he doesn't enjoy the present; the
result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as
if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived"
- Dalai Lama
<145e6103-76c0-4607...@h7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com>,
lemongonggong <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It might sound crazy, but I think dtar wavelength multi-source could
> be a possible option. There's a preamp for the piezo and another
> input on the preamp for nagnetic pickups.
D-TAR is one of Rick Turner's babies. My Tuner Renaissance RN-6 nylon
> It might sound crazy, but I think dtar wavelength multi-source could
> be a possible option. There's a preamp for the piezo and another
> input on the preamp for nagnetic pickups.
string is the best sounding amplified "classical" guitar sound I have
ever heard, despite being a semi-hollow body guitar. Part of that is
due to being an 18v instead of 9v preamp, which seems to improve the
headroom and to make it easier to eliminate the awful piezo quack that
afflicts most piezo pickup systems (especially noticeable with nylon
string guitars, to my ears).
I haven't heard the setup of which you speak, but Turner seems to know
what he is doing. You can e-mail him directly and ask him about pickup
options through his web site:
http://www.renaissanceguitars.com/
His Renaissance basses are also supposed to sound great, although I have
not heard one in person.
I've been giving some thought to getting an RS-6W with a neck humbucker.
--
"The surprising thing about humanity is that Man sacrifices his health in
order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And
then he is so anxious about the future that he doesn't enjoy the present; the
result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as
if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived"
- Dalai Lama
JSorell
Jan 13, 2012, 12:17:37 PM1/13/12
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lemongonggong <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:145e6103-76c0-
4607-95d8-0...@h7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com:
> Hey guys,
>
> In my search for a way to blend to magnetic pickups and piezo for
> quite some time, I think I might have found a way.
>
> It might sound crazy, but I think dtar wavelength multi-source could
> be a possible option. There's a preamp for the piezo and another input
> on the preamp for nagnetic pickups. The Veilette archtop bass blend
> their mags and piezo through a dtar wavelength too. The problem is
> though that you will need a bridge with a saddle slot to put the piezo
> pickup.(..and a saddle of course..)
This piezo pickup is a possible option: <http://www.pick-
uptheworld.com/archtop.htm>
I had them make a stereo version for my straight acoustic Leach archtop.
The elements were sized to the dimension of each bridge foot. The wires
snake into the F hole under the pickguard into a stereo endpin jack. You
would have to be looking for the pickups to notice them. There is only a
small tab on the end of each element protruding from the foot.
The sound is a perfect reproduction of my guitar; only louder. It will
not produce a fat electric guitar jazz tone. I cannot hear a discernable
difference between the separate pickups. I would not bother with a stereo
version but use the other channel of the jack for a mag pickup.
I am intending on adding a mag pickup but haven't gotten around to it.
The owner of Pickup The World was working with Bob Benedetto on a mag pup
that attaches to the the end of the fingerboard, similiar to a floating
pup, but very small and unobtrusive. Another version sat on the
bridge...don't remember how. In looking at his web site, I don't see any
mention of the Benedetto model. That association must have faded.
John
4607-95d8-0...@h7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com:
> Hey guys,
>
> In my search for a way to blend to magnetic pickups and piezo for
> quite some time, I think I might have found a way.
>
> It might sound crazy, but I think dtar wavelength multi-source could
> be a possible option. There's a preamp for the piezo and another input
> on the preamp for nagnetic pickups. The Veilette archtop bass blend
> their mags and piezo through a dtar wavelength too. The problem is
> though that you will need a bridge with a saddle slot to put the piezo
> pickup.(..and a saddle of course..)
uptheworld.com/archtop.htm>
I had them make a stereo version for my straight acoustic Leach archtop.
The elements were sized to the dimension of each bridge foot. The wires
snake into the F hole under the pickguard into a stereo endpin jack. You
would have to be looking for the pickups to notice them. There is only a
small tab on the end of each element protruding from the foot.
The sound is a perfect reproduction of my guitar; only louder. It will
not produce a fat electric guitar jazz tone. I cannot hear a discernable
difference between the separate pickups. I would not bother with a stereo
version but use the other channel of the jack for a mag pickup.
I am intending on adding a mag pickup but haven't gotten around to it.
The owner of Pickup The World was working with Bob Benedetto on a mag pup
that attaches to the the end of the fingerboard, similiar to a floating
pup, but very small and unobtrusive. Another version sat on the
bridge...don't remember how. In looking at his web site, I don't see any
mention of the Benedetto model. That association must have faded.
John
van
Jan 13, 2012, 6:54:30 PM1/13/12
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Parker P-44 new for $475 a few years back.
When I used it on a show through my SF 1970 Twin, I got some magical
sounds out of blending the piezo and mags.
It sounds like shit though my smaller amps, though.
ic
Jan 14, 2012, 5:52:10 PM1/14/12
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"lemongonggong" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:145e6103-76c0-4607...@h7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com...
>> Any thoughts?
One thing I found from my experiments with piezos is they respond to
pressure for level, so if you vary the string break angle over the bridge,
and thus the pressure on the piezo element, you can balance the output
levels of the individual strings. Some piezos are hex with individual eq and
level so can be balanced electronically but always worth knowing the
break-angle tweak.
--
icarusi
news:145e6103-76c0-4607...@h7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com...
>> Any thoughts?
One thing I found from my experiments with piezos is they respond to
pressure for level, so if you vary the string break angle over the bridge,
and thus the pressure on the piezo element, you can balance the output
levels of the individual strings. Some piezos are hex with individual eq and
level so can be balanced electronically but always worth knowing the
break-angle tweak.
--
icarusi
lemongonggong
Jan 16, 2012, 1:29:05 AM1/16/12
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On Jan 13, 11:39 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article
> <145e6103-76c0-4607-95d8-0e279a472...@h7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com>,
Would emailing him directly be better or would emailing dtar be
better?
> In article
> <145e6103-76c0-4607-95d8-0e279a472...@h7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com>,
better?
lemongonggong
Jan 16, 2012, 1:30:23 AM1/16/12
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Anyway, I got another crazy thought. Since the wavelength pickup is so
thin (.034 inch thick), I thought maybe I could put it right
underneath the archtop bridge like how the PUTW archtop pickup is
meant to be placed. Don't know if it will work?
thin (.034 inch thick), I thought maybe I could put it right
underneath the archtop bridge like how the PUTW archtop pickup is
meant to be placed. Don't know if it will work?
Tim McNamara
Jan 16, 2012, 10:13:42 AM1/16/12
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In article
<b6e29192-16cf-44d2...@a8g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
Web site. It may very well just go directly to Rick- he keeps his
businesses small and hands-on, as far as I can tell.
<b6e29192-16cf-44d2...@a8g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
lemongonggong <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 11:39 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <145e6103-76c0-4607-95d8-0e279a472...@h7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > lemongonggong <raymond_ra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > It might sound crazy, but I think dtar wavelength multi-source
> > > could be a possible option. There's a preamp for the piezo and
> > > another input on the preamp for nagnetic pickups.
> >
> > D-TAR is one of Rick Turner's babies. My Tuner Renaissance RN-6
> > nylon string is the best sounding amplified "classical" guitar
> > sound I have ever heard, despite being a semi-hollow body guitar.
> > Part of that is due to being an 18v instead of 9v preamp, which
> > seems to improve the headroom and to make it easier to eliminate
> > the awful piezo quack that afflicts most piezo pickup systems
> > (especially noticeable with nylon string guitars, to my ears).
> >
> > I haven't heard the setup of which you speak, but Turner seems to
> > know what he is doing. You can e-mail him directly and ask him
> > about pickup options through his web site:
> >
> > http://www.renaissanceguitars.com/
> >
> > His Renaissance basses are also supposed to sound great, although I
> > have not heard one in person.
> >
> > I've been giving some thought to getting an RS-6W with a neck
> > humbucker.
>
> On Jan 13, 11:39 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <145e6103-76c0-4607-95d8-0e279a472...@h7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > lemongonggong <raymond_ra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > It might sound crazy, but I think dtar wavelength multi-source
> > > could be a possible option. There's a preamp for the piezo and
> > > another input on the preamp for nagnetic pickups.
> >
> > D-TAR is one of Rick Turner's babies. My Tuner Renaissance RN-6
> > nylon string is the best sounding amplified "classical" guitar
> > sound I have ever heard, despite being a semi-hollow body guitar.
> > Part of that is due to being an 18v instead of 9v preamp, which
> > seems to improve the headroom and to make it easier to eliminate
> > the awful piezo quack that afflicts most piezo pickup systems
> > (especially noticeable with nylon string guitars, to my ears).
> >
> > I haven't heard the setup of which you speak, but Turner seems to
> > know what he is doing. You can e-mail him directly and ask him
> > about pickup options through his web site:
> >
> > http://www.renaissanceguitars.com/
> >
> > His Renaissance basses are also supposed to sound great, although I
> > have not heard one in person.
> >
> > I've been giving some thought to getting an RS-6W with a neck
> > humbucker.
>
> Would emailing him directly be better or would emailing dtar be
> better?
Go ahead and use whatever "contact us" link that D-TAR provides on their
> better?
Web site. It may very well just go directly to Rick- he keeps his
businesses small and hands-on, as far as I can tell.
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