True stereo amp rig
Starcaster
I'm looking around for a guitar amp suitable for true stereo operation,
with a single cabinet that contains two drivers wired in stereo with
separately addressable inputs. I am NOT interested in separate
physical cabinets, which is an obvious option.
The Fender Acoustasonic Ultralight - brother of the Jazzmaster - is so
very close... the cab is stereo with a stereo input jack, and the amp
has stereo outs to drive it, but the amp's front end has only a mono
instrument input and a mono mic input.
I want to take a stereo instrument signal, amplify it in stereo, and
output it in stereo - 2 discrete channels the whole way. Any ideas?
Thanks-
Roger
Starcaster
stereo into a Lexicon Vortex (stereo in and out) which is driving two
Event PS-5 powered monitors. It sounds amazing but I have two 'boxes'
to deal with. Just wondering if I can collapse this into an integrated
unit with two drivers vs. two separate units.
Thanks -Roger
Joey Goldstein
The Roland JC-120 has a stereo power amp with separate inputs into the
power amp. But the amp's preamp is only mono.
You'd need to plug each channel of your stereo instrument into a small
stereo mixer with EQ and run the L & R outs of the mixer into the
JC-120's L & R power amp inputs.
Probably not exactly what you're after. But I doubt if you will find
exactly what you're after.
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joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
Joey Goldstein
Then just sub the JC-120 for your two PS-5's.
Are the PS-5's full-range cabinets though, with a tweeter?
Do you use cabinet simulations in the Magicstomp?
Because the JC-120 is not full-range. You'll need to turn off the cab
sims to get a decent sound.
If you're looking for a full-range stereo powered monitor housed in a
single box I don't think you'll find one.
Starcaster
portable. Actually the Event monitors are pretty darn small and
portable since they have integrated amps. I use the speaker simulation
and a preamp on the Magicstomp to get a traditional electric guitar
tone out of this setup. But the speakers are not really roadworthy;
they have no protection on the front like PA monitors. They are meant
for use in the studio as nearfield speakers, but as a result they sound
great as full range monitors with a clean stereo signal chain.
danny...@cox.net
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-GA-79RVT-Stereo-Tube-Combo-Amp-Minty_W0QQitemZ200019549951QQcmdZViewItem
Not exactly light, though. :-)
Danny W.
RickH
In that case, since you already have a front end guitar processor.
Just get a cheap stereo PA head and a 2x12 cabinet with the speakers on
separate LR channels, bolt the PA head to the cabinet and it's one
piece.
My guitar teacher gigs with an ultra cheap GEMSound stereo PA head and
various pre-processors into the restaurants speakers. Since the PA has
6 channels he uses guitar for 2 channels, mic, wireless mic/pup for
when he "wanders" with his acoustic, and remaining channels for drum
machine and backing tracks. He's been doing the one man band act for
years.
Marc
Walter Woods stereo amp running through two cabs, but you're saying you
don't want separate components . .
Let us know what you find!
Marc
j...@isu.edu
At forty-five pounds, it'd be lighter than a JC-120. Or you could tape
a bunch of cats together.
icarusi
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> I want to take a stereo instrument signal, amplify it in stereo, and
> output it in stereo - 2 discrete channels the whole way. Any ideas?
Pearce G2r? Don't know if they did 2x speaker cab versions though.
icarusi
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Marc
I know you're not looking for separate parts, but you can get a great
stereo cab at http://www.earcandycabs.com They truly blow anything
away.. (Don't be afraid of their "rock" looking site -- the
owner/designer is quite knowledgeable about all styles)
Marc
Joey Goldstein
> "Starcaster" <full...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>> I want to take a stereo instrument signal, amplify it in stereo, and
>> output it in stereo - 2 discrete channels the whole way. Any ideas?
>
> Pearce G2r? Don't know if they did 2x speaker cab versions though.
No, they didn't.
And the OP needs a full-range system, not a guitar amp.
> icarusi
amost
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channels going in but it's tri-amped or something , not really 2 discreet
pres & poweramps all the way through but it might be close enough I dunno.
Starcaster
I have a Roland AC-60 which might do the trick... it has stereo AUX
line in jacks, each of which drives one of its little but efficient
speakers. It's a small cabinet to be sure, so not much of a stereo
image is created, but it is good enough for the small gig I have where
I want this sound but have limited set up space. Despite all of the
amp's controls, in this configuration it is acting as a "make it
louder" box only since the line ins go directly to the power amp.
Dallas Selman
AC60 away.....and its even smaller
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Chickenhead
a stereo FX return you could take out of the Vortex. It is a true stereo
amp when not run in bridged mode, so you would have two separate discretely
powered speaker outputs. It would only be 75 watts per side when run in
stereo, but that might well do the trick.
Pretty much any cab that had two identical drivers could easily be wired for
two discrete inputs, for example any of the RE twins or one of the cabs from
earcandycabs.com.
Of course there's stereo power amps from Peavey and Mesa Boogie too, it's
just that the Power Block, while not rack mountable, is cheap and portable.
There's always the PA head option too, but I'm presuming you want something
that will sound a little better -- I've never been happy with the sound of
PA heads for guitar even run through guitar speakers; there's a lot to be
said for something that sounds better when slightly overdriven, versus
sounding like crap.
Certainly there's always the option of just using two amps, which could
easily end up being the simplest. I'm sure you've thought of all these
things and what you're looking for is simplicity and portability. The
problem is that by the time you find a combo amp that does what you're
looking for, you'll probably end up making some serious sacrifices in sound
quality just to have it in one unit.
While not an integrated combo, a Power Block with an RE Twin 8 or any decent
2 x 10 or 2 x 12 cab might be your cheapest simplest option. Another option
might be to just get a generic two-by-X cab and do a little butchery or
carpentry to stick a Power Block or some other stereo amp in there. I
probably wouldn't want to butcher an RE cab, but there are cheaper generic
cabs available that could be butchered -- In fact, you could just buy an
unloaded stereo cab or dual-speakered amp and just do some carpentry. It'd
be kind of kewl that way too, since no one else would have anything similar
and you could experiment with different power and driver configurations.
If you had the bux, you could even take, say an old Twin Reverb or similar
amp, pull the amp head out, and build spaces for two SL/R's or something
like that. Sounds like, given your situation and needs, the best option
could well be creative carpentry.
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Pt
How bout a stereo DI box in to the board.
Or.
Split your cable and use an A/B box?
Pt
Joey Goldstein
Have you done a search yet for stereo keyboard amplifiers?
Based on what you've said here i think that might be what you need.
Again, I'm assuming that because you're using speaker simulations in the
Magic Stomp that you need a full-range amp (i.e. with tweeters).
The selection of stereo keyboard combo amps seems promising.
--
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woland99
http://rivera.com/mss120-212.php
That is if you have a healthy back - that sucker is 90 pounds.
I have one and I am thinking about selling it.
I have seen head version on eBay recently for $925.
JT
icarusi
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>> Pearce G2r? Don't know if they did 2x speaker cab versions though.
>
> No, they didn't.
> And the OP needs a full-range system, not a guitar amp.
Maybe what he needs but not what he's currently asking about and AFAIK the
Pearce amp has all the EQ plus discrete I/O he's looking for in one box,
speakers/cab apart.
Starcaster
system. The Yamaha Magicstomp is able to handle both, and that's what
I'm using as my front end.
The Roland AC-60 that I already own has solved this problem for now. I
only need a small amp that can handle small, quiet spaces like a
coffeeshop or an art gallery. Those are the only gigs I am playing
with this setup.
Thanks again for the replies.
RP
Joey Goldstein
> "Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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>>> Pearce G2r? Don't know if they did 2x speaker cab versions though.
>> No, they didn't.
>> And the OP needs a full-range system, not a guitar amp.
>
> Maybe what he needs but not what he's currently asking about
It seems to me that that *is* what he's asking about.
Maybe I'm misreading something. He says he's using speaker simulations.
The purpose of a speaker simulation is to imitate the frequency roll-off
of a typical guitar speaker when running your signal into a full-range
speaker.
I suppose you could run the outs of a G2r into 2 full-range cabinets.
But my guess would be that the G2r's EQ, even on the clean channel,
would not be very effective/useful through speakers like that. And he
still wouldn't have the type of stereo in/out matrix that he's looking for.
> and AFAIK the
> Pearce amp has all the EQ plus discrete I/O he's looking for in one box,
No it doesn't.
The G2r has 2 inputs, but you can't direct Input #1 to the Left side of
the power amp and Input #2 to the Right side. [Well, actually there's a
trick in the owner's manual for doing something like that but 1 side
would be going through the overdrive channel and the other side would be
the clean channel.]
Any stereo-izing done in the G2r is done by taking its mono FX send
signal, running that into a stereo effect, and returning the stereo
outputs of the effect into the 2 sides of the G2r's power amp.
> speakers/cab apart.
>
> icarusi
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Joey Goldstein
> Actually, in reality it could be either a guitar amp or a full range
> system. The Yamaha Magicstomp is able to handle both, and that's what
> I'm using as my front end.
Well then, you'll probably want to turn the speaker simulations off when
you run it through a guitar amp.
>
> The Roland AC-60 that I already own has solved this problem for now.
My understanding of those amps is that they are almost full-range but
not quite. It doesn't have any tweeters does it?
It probably has a bit more top end than an electric guitar amp but not
as much as a PA or keyboard amp.
> I
> only need a small amp that can handle small, quiet spaces like a
> coffeeshop or an art gallery. Those are the only gigs I am playing
> with this setup.
>
> Thanks again for the replies.
>
> RP
>
I've always thought that, in theory, using one of those modelling-type
amps through a stereo full-range system would have the potential to
yield the closest thing to a really well produced studio sound in a live
setting. Being able to place your time-based digital effects (echo,
chorus, reverb, etc.) after the speaker/mic, well that's how it's done
in the studio. When you put those effects into an effects loop pre-power
amp their quality is affected by the presence setting on the power amp,
the power amp's propensity to distort, and the filtering effect of the
guitar-oriented speakers. Placing a high-end effect into that point in
the signal path has always seemed like a waste to me.
But I have yet to hear a modelling amp that has a sound that I can stand.
--
Joey Goldstein
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amost
Marc
Unless you have an exceptional room and a highly discerning audience, I
don't think anyone (including the players?) registers the stereo vs.
mono sound live. For the typical expense, I'm not sure it's worth it,
other than to say you use a stereo rig.
If you want an expansive, interesting sound demo the Bose PAS tower.
They're expensive, but they really fill a room.
Marc
Marc
Marc
Marc
I'll watch my keystrokes.
Marc
Starcaster
first with stereo, and with "guitar" vs "hifi" as a secondary concern.
The reason is that my gear can handle either; I have speaker sims for
the hifi and disabled speaker sims for the guitar amp.
That said, the time based effects sound GREAT into a stereo setup and
that is why I want this. I have a Lexicon Vortex, which is an odd
creature that gets some very lush and complex delay/modulation effects.
The unit is specifically designed to maximize use of the stereo
field. Some "stereo" chorus effects are kind of lame, but this one is
not.
I played today at a gallery. The Roland AC-60 lets you process in
stereo, but in reality it's too small and self-contained to really hear
the effect. To really get the most of this and make it worthwhile, two
cabinets - separated by space - are necessary... c'est la vie.
Roger
Joey Goldstein
F... the audience.
Jack A. Zucker
>I always love the feeling *I* get when I play in stereo.
Agreed!
Jack A. Zucker
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> Oh, well, if you want to go there . . . .
> Unless you have an exceptional room and a highly discerning audience, I
> don't think anyone (including the players?) registers the stereo vs.
> mono sound live. For the typical expense, I'm not sure it's worth it,
> other than to say you use a stereo rig.
I disagree. I used an inexpensive stereo rig for years consisting of a boss
RV-3 going into a pair of combo amps. It sounded huge and allowed me to do
stuff that wouldn't have worked with a smaller sound.
Willie K. Yee, MD
>Waiting on the anti-stereo amp thread...
1. Twice as much stuff to carry around
2. Most of the audience (those not sitting dead center) will not hear
the stereo
3. It creates additional phasing problems in the room (maybe not, and
probably less than two speakers in mono)
4. If God wanted us to listen in stereo, she wouldn't have let a
drummer wipe out 1/3 of my hearing in one ear.
amost
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I go both ways. If you got a bunch of swirly stuff going left/right it
certainly is ALOT of fun to stand in the middle of that if you can. Audience
hearing it is another story but I think if you like your sound that
certainly can inspire the playing.
Generally I'm mono live guy but I change it around.
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