A jazz amp to take to college
guitarforhire
that will be good for small combo straight ahead gigs (which will be
95% of what I will be doing), but also would possibly work if I ever
decide to do any slightly overdriven scofield/stern type stuff.
Obviously I dont want it to be to big (or too expensive as it will cut
into my ramen noodles budget). I am right now considering the
Ultrasound AG-50, Fender Frontman 65, and the Peavey Classic 30. If
any of you have had any experience with these and could offer opinions
I would really appreciate it.
Joe Finn
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I would get a used MBII. They can be had for less than $400.
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Jeremey Poparad
works great for all my jazz gigs. It's only 22w, but never been a problem
for me. If wattage is an issue, you can always get the Pro Reverb or Twin
Reverb models.
These things have a great jazz tone, but they don't overdrive. I use a
couple Boss pedals, but I find for a slight distortion the Blues Driver is
pretty good. Even though it's not tube distortion, it's still a distorted
signal through a tube amp and it sounds great.
Jeremey Poparad
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Jack Zucker
clean, a tad heavy (45lbs). Get one of those rock&roller carts.
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Peter Anagnostos
Fender Blues Jr. 12 inch speaker, light weight, small cab. Nice even
tone.
Jack Zucker
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Ken Lloyd
I use the 30 watt Envoy with a 10" speaker.
May not be enough power for many players, but works fine for me for practice
and situations where low to medium volume, lightweight and quick setup are
important.
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Formerly Sideways
> "guitarforhire" <rfred...@hotmail.com> wrote >
> > that will be good for small combo straight ahead gigs (which will be
> > 95% of what I will be doing), but also would possibly work if I ever
> > decide to do any slightly overdriven scofield/stern type stuff.
Inexpensive, durable and versatile. Bob Russell uses both of these
and you can hear him playing through one (I can't remember which) live
on his website. (That is, the live cuts done at Circa.) Several
other posters here, including Jack Zucker, also sing the praises of
the transtube Bandit. It's also loud enough to keep up with an
aggressive drummer if you do that kind of gig.
The Classic 50 is a great amp, but the Classic 30 is a bit small to
have any headroom and I had one that suffered from a lot of cabinet
rattle and tube howl. I've never been impressed by Fender's solid
state stuff and the Polytones seem to be only good for the dark jazz
tone, they sound kind of "constipated" to me. Just my .02.
bob r
Sideways at twot...@hotmail.com wrote on 8/11/04 10:01 AM:
I use a Studio Pro for most of my jazz stuff these days. I also have the
Bandit, but the SP is smaller, lighter, and loud enough with plenty of
headroom for what I'm doing. I replaced the stock speaker with an old
Celestion G12-80 I've had lying around since the Crimean War; it gives the
amp a darker and cleaner sound than the original speaker had.
I like Polytones too, and considered buying one before I got the SP, but the
Studio Pro sounds about as good to me, especially with the speaker replaced.
(I also prefer open-backed amps; YMMV.) Factor in the cheaper price, greater
availability and good reliability (I haven't had a problem with that amp at
all and I can't remember how long I've had it, maybe 6 years), and it seems
like a good choice to me.
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bob r
wrote on 8/11/04 11:32 AM:
> consider the Tech 21 trademark 60
How's the clean headroom on those? That amp has interested me in the past,
but I'm not near a Tech 21 dealer.
Rick Del Savio
plenty loud. I've
also run a Marshall 4x12 cabinet from the Peaveys external cabinet. If
you live in NY or Westchester Co. contact me with an e-mail if
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A Polytone Mini-Brute II, the only choice for a college kid in a dorm
and on a stage.
Steven Rosenberg
play it (the whole room was howling with bad metal riffs). It's got
lots of DSP emulation of various tube amps and effects, plus a clean
"JC," classic Roland sound. Looks to be the same size as the old orange
Cube 60, but with a metal grille.
I'll second the person who recommended the solid-state Fender amps. I
played through the 15-watt version with a Tele, and it sounded really
nice. Good clean sounds, and pretty loud for the power level (you
probably want to go bigger if you're going to gig with it). Didn't try
the overdriven sounds.
Paul Sanwald
Jack Zucker wrote:
> Not enough headroom
>
!?!? it had enough headroom to handle everything I ever threw at it,
which were some pretty loud gigs.
--paul
Pat Smith
Formerly Sideways
I replaced the stock speaker with an old
> Celestion G12-80 I've had lying around since the Crimean War;
Yep they just don't make wars like the Crimean anymore.
> I like Polytones too, and considered buying one before I got the SP, but the
> Studio Pro sounds about as good to me, especially with the speaker replaced.
> (I also prefer open-backed amps; YMMV.)
No disrespect intended to the many players who play Polytones and
sound great. I definitely think the closed back has a lot to do with
my perception of their sound.
My instructor plays a duo gig with his Classic 50. The other guy is
playing through a Polytone, and that's not really a fair comparison.
That Classic 50 (with the pos stock speakers) sounds heavenly. Of
course, like Bob, George could make a cardboard box sound good.
Link for the curious: www.georgeturnerjazz.com
Formerly Sideways
>
> > consider the Tech 21 trademark 60
>
> How's the clean headroom on those? That amp has interested me in the past,
> but I'm not near a Tech 21 dealer.
My Trademark 10 sounds remarkably full and rich. I think it would be
worth checking one of these out, although they are more expensive than
a Studio Pro and probably not appreciably better-sounding.
bob r
Sideways at twot...@hotmail.com wrote on 8/12/04 11:49 AM:
> My Trademark 10 sounds remarkably full and rich. I think it would be
> worth checking one of these out, although they are more expensive than
> a Studio Pro and probably not appreciably better-sounding.
Potentially more versatile, though, and the built-in XLR direct capability
is a definite plus. Hmm, come to think of it, the Ten might come in handy
for something I'm doing...
bob r
Sideways at twot...@hotmail.com wrote on 8/12/04 11:47 AM:
> bob r <what...@anyway.com> wrote ...
> I replaced the stock speaker with an old
>> Celestion G12-80 I've had lying around since the Crimean War;
>
> Yep they just don't make wars like the Crimean anymore.
Damn skippy. Now THAT was a war!
>
>> I like Polytones too, and considered buying one before I got the SP, but the
>> Studio Pro sounds about as good to me, especially with the speaker replaced.
>> (I also prefer open-backed amps; YMMV.)
>
> No disrespect intended to the many players who play Polytones and
> sound great. I definitely think the closed back has a lot to do with
> my perception of their sound.
I know a lot of archtop players swear by a closed back. Since I don't play
full archtops any more, that's not an issue for me. Different strokes and
all that.
> My instructor plays a duo gig with his Classic 50. The other guy is
> playing through a Polytone, and that's not really a fair comparison.
> That Classic 50 (with the pos stock speakers) sounds heavenly. Of
> course, like Bob, George could make a cardboard box sound good.
I have a vintage '63 Kenmore refrigerator box for those high-volume "rock"
gigs. Occasionally, for the uptown straightahead stuff, I'll bring out the
1952 Thom McAnn box my opera pumps came in...
>
> Link for the curious: www.georgeturnerjazz.com
I'm curious. I'll check it out.
Kurt Shapiro
even with a drummer. I've even gigged it with a LOUD drummer. I do have
Weber speaker in it, which makes some difference I'm sure. The headroom
hasn't been an issue for me though, since most of the straight ahead stuff I
do is without a drummer. I wish it was a 20 watt amp. The overdrive sound
is very nice. I use it on pop/funk gigs constantly and love it. If you
plan on doing a fair amount of the slightly overdriven stuff, it might be
worth looking at.
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Kurt Shapiro
Having read some of the posts here, I'm thinking that you may have to make a
decision between whether you want an absolutely clean sound at all volumes
or a little tube warmth and power tube overdrive. Smaller amps don't need
to be at ear-piercing levels to get that sweet power-tube distortion, but
the tradeoff is headroom. Headroom is an issue if you want an absolutely
clean sound at high volumes.
There are so many great amps at so many price points. I guess the question
is what kind of sound do you want, and what trade-offs are you willing to
make, and how much do plan on spending. If anyone's found the perfect amp
that does it all at all volume levels and doesn't weigh a zillion tons, I'd
like to hear about it.
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Gerry
<what...@anyway.com> wrote:
> I know a lot of archtop players swear by a closed back. Since I don't play
> full archtops any more, that's not an issue for me. Different strokes and
> all that.
Why would that be?
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Gerry
<kurtWITHOUTT...@hotmailNOSPAMTHANKS.com> wrote:
> Having read some of the posts here, I'm thinking that you may have to
> make a decision between whether you want an absolutely clean sound at
> all volumes or a little tube warmth and power tube overdrive.
Tube warmth? Hah! Gimmickery! That was a joke for any who aren't
following along. Here's some smiley's to prove it: > :-) :-) :-)
The problem I having with getting a new amp is simple: weight versus
volume. Both my 60w Trace and my ancient old Polytone 102 (anyone know
what the wattage is for this old thing ,circa 1974?) weigh about 40
pounds. Which is about 15 pounds more than I want to carry.
What's light and has enough umph?
> Smaller amps don't need to be at ear-piercing levels to get that
> sweet power-tube distortion, but the tradeoff is headroom. Headroom
> is an issue if you want an absolutely clean sound at high volumes.
All I want is an *almost* absolutely clean sound at high volume.
guitarforhire
have given me quite a few options that I hadn't previously considered.
Thanks especially to Kurt shapiro who really hit the nail on the head.
gtrmon
"Gerry" <222...@spam.really.sucks> wrote in message
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> In article <BD411B92.2FC96%what...@anyway.com>, bob r
> <what...@anyway.com> wrote:
>
> > I know a lot of archtop players swear by a closed back. Since I don't
play
> > full archtops any more, that's not an issue for me. Different strokes
and
> > all that.
>
> Why would that be?
>
I have one but it's an Ampeg Jupiter. Built for weightlifters playing on
flatbeds for bikers.
dj
dunlop212
> > consider the Tech 21 trademark 60
>
> How's the clean headroom on those? That amp has interested me in the past,
> but I'm not near a Tech 21 dealer.
I had one. This is a small room amp, less clean headroom than, say, a
DR. Sounds horrible when it tries to compete with a loud drummer.
OTOH, it is well designed as a stage monitor if you do a line out to
the PA, and the EQ section is outstanding. Light weight; it would be a
nice archtop amp if the reverb was not so noisy.
bob r
222...@spam.really.sucks wrote on 8/12/04 6:51 PM:
> In article <BD411B92.2FC96%what...@anyway.com>, bob r
> <what...@anyway.com> wrote:
>
>> I know a lot of archtop players swear by a closed back. Since I don't play
>> full archtops any more, that's not an issue for me. Different strokes and
>> all that.
>
> Why would that be?
Why would what be? You mean "why would archtop players prefer closed-back
cabinets"? I'm not sure; I think many of them feel that they get less
feedback from a closed-back cab since they tend to "beam" the sound where an
open-back might spread it around more.
If you mean "why don't I play full archtops any more?", it's because I find
that solid and semi-hollow body guitars give me a sound I like that's more
easily reproducible in varied acoustical settings.
Michael Ellenberger
bob r wrote:
> in article 120820041551501703%222...@spam.really.sucks, Gerry at
> 222...@spam.really.sucks wrote on 8/12/04 6:51 PM:
>
>
>>In article <BD411B92.2FC96%what...@anyway.com>, bob r
>><what...@anyway.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I know a lot of archtop players swear by a closed back. Since I don't play
>>>full archtops any more, that's not an issue for me. Different strokes and
>>>all that.
>>
>>Why would that be?
>
>
> Why would what be? You mean "why would archtop players prefer closed-back
> cabinets"? I'm not sure; I think many of them feel that they get less
> feedback from a closed-back cab since they tend to "beam" the sound where an
> open-back might spread it around more.
>
> If you mean "why don't I play full archtops any more?", it's because I find
> that solid and semi-hollow body guitars give me a sound I like that's more
> easily reproducible in varied acoustical settings.
>
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bob r
mleguard...@n-o-s-p-a-m-yahoo.com wrote on 8/15/04 11:31 AM:
> No Bob he meant why do a lot of archtop players swear...)
I figured I was still missing something. :-)