mini-disk recording question
Dave Kaatz
Hope you can help me. I have decided to purchase a recorder. I
initially, without doing research, bought a low-end Sony, the
MZ-NE410, because it said it was a recorder/player. Turns out it only
can record from a computer, using USB and proprietary software.
I will be returning that unit. I have been checking the other Sony
models out on Sony's website. I think every model that is more
expensive than the one I bought has recording capability via line in,
so I can record from my stereo or microphone(s).
I plan to do live recording, of myself and friends. But the real
selling point for me was the realization that I could use this as a
way to transfer lps to CDs. By recording to mini-disk, then saving to
computer, then burning a CD.
So my big question - is this possible? Can I move music from the
mini-disk to my computer? The manual that came with the unit I am
returning made it clear that this step was not possible. Is it
possible with any mini-disk recorder?
I don't want to connect my stereo to my computer directly - they are
too far apart.
Thanks in advance,
Dave
Richard
> So my big question - is this possible? Can I move music from the
> mini-disk to my computer? The manual that came with the unit I am
> returning made it clear that this step was not possible. Is it
> possible with any mini-disk recorder?
If you can connect your MD player to your computer so that you can play
your MD through your computer speakers, you should be in good shape. It
means that you have a sound card of some type. Some of them are better
than others, and your results largely depend on how good your card is.
After a sound card, you'll need software to record what's coming through
the soundcard. Transcribe! or CoolEdit 2000 can do this (web search
time), but there are many other choices. The important thing here is
that both of those programs have "record" functions.
So, you simply play your MD track through your computer, record it, and
then save the recorded file as a .WAV (caution: they get pretty large)
or MP3 (CE 2000 will do this; not sure about Transcribe!).
Repeat until you have all the MD tracks you want to put onto a CD on
your computer's hard disk. Easiest if you put them all in one folder.
Then use your CD burner software to make a music disk from audio-format
files (eg, WAV or MP3). Select those files you saved. Voila.
Disclaimer: I'm describing functionality that exists in software and MD
players/recorders that I have and use. It's not the only way to do it,
nor is it guaranteed to work with your specific hardware or software.
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Russell Letson
>I think every model that is more
>expensive than the one I bought has recording capability via line in,
>so I can record from my stereo or microphone(s).
Note that line and mike inputs are not the same--and some Sony models
have only line-in, which means you'd need a mike pre-amp to record
live. You might look at manufacturers other than Sony (Sharp is
especially well-regarded by the concert-recording subculture), though
you have to buy a European or Japanese model, since only Sony still
markets to the US. Look at Minidisc.org's equipment browser to check
specs and at the on-line retailer Minidisco.com for how they handle
non-US-distributed items.
Myself, I've been using a Sony MZ-B100 "business" model for a year:
line/mike/optical input, headphone output, plus built-in mikes and
mono amp/speaker. Only drawback is that it's auto-level-control only,
but I've made very decent recordings with it, using both the built-ins
and a variety of inexpensive mikes.
Dave Kaatz
"Russell Letson" <rle...@cloudnet.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave Kaatz" <kaa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I think every model that is more
> >expensive than the one I bought has recording capability via line
in,
> >so I can record from my stereo or microphone(s).
>
> Note that line and mike inputs are not the same--and some Sony
models
> have only line-in, which means you'd need a mike pre-amp to record
> live.
question.
>You might look at manufacturers other than Sony (Sharp is
> especially well-regarded by the concert-recording subculture),
though
> you have to buy a European or Japanese model, since only Sony still
> markets to the US. Look at Minidisc.org's equipment browser to check
> specs and at the on-line retailer Minidisco.com for how they handle
> non-US-distributed items.
Checking out Sharp website right now, they look good - what a bummer
these
manufacturers have stopped selling into the US. Buying used seems
risky, the
units don't seem that robust.
Dave
Jack A. Zucker
Kevin Van Sant
wrote in message <51BCa.1068365$3D1.627802@sccrnsc01> :
>Checking out Sharp website right now, they look good - what a bummer
>these
>manufacturers have stopped selling into the US. Buying used seems
>risky, the
>units don't seem that robust.
>Dave
I bought a used sharp mt-90 off ebay last fall, it's been working
great. There are a number of good sharp units one ought to be able
to get used for under $100.
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Kevin Van Sant
wrote in message <NKzCa.35001$M01.11422@sccrnsc02> :
>I plan to do live recording, of myself and friends.
i think the Sharp units are most convienient for live recording,
mainly because you can just use the buttons for transprot control and
mic level adjustment without having to get into the menu system like
on the sonys
> But the real
>selling point for me was the realization that I could use this as a
>way to transfer lps to CDs. By recording to mini-disk, then saving to
>computer, then burning a CD.
>So my big question - is this possible? Can I move music from the
>mini-disk to my computer? The manual that came with the unit I am
>returning made it clear that this step was not possible. Is it
>possible with any mini-disk recorder?
>I don't want to connect my stereo to my computer directly - they are
>too far apart.
why not just move the turntable? (you'll probably need to get a phono
pre-amp)
HotchkissTrio
Sorry, but Sony has gone to alot of trouble to make sure you can only
go from your minidisc to computer digitally. It has something to do
with copyrights, as minidiscs that do this are available overseas.
I do however recommend the minidisc as a great way to get live
recordings. I have used it on several occasions for archiving a gig
so I can see how bad I really am ;-)
Also, if used with high quality mics, the recordings can be top notch,
although the audio does get some normalization to it when recorded to
MD.
As far as transfering LP's to CD's, I would recommend a good sound car
with line inputs, and just record direct to the computer. This setup
would also allow you to transfer the minidisc music to the computer,
although there will be an extr DA->AD conversion added in there.
Hope that helps,
Paul H.
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Holger Weber
"Kevin Van Sant" <kvan...@pobox.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 05:12:33 GMT, "Dave Kaatz" <kaa...@hotmail.com>
> wrote in message <51BCa.1068365$3D1.627802@sccrnsc01> :
>
> >Checking out Sharp website right now, they look good - what a bummer
> >these
> >manufacturers have stopped selling into the US. Buying used seems
> >risky, the
> >units don't seem that robust.
> >Dave
>
> I bought a used sharp mt-90 off ebay last fall, it's been working
> great. There are a number of good sharp units one ought to be able
> to get used for under $100.
>
I second the sharp recommendation.
Holger
Jonathan Giblin
disk MP3 player/recorders that can also accommodate WAV files. Creative Labs
makes a couple of 'em that look pretty good too. There's also the Apple,
although it's the priciest of the units. Some of these things have as much
as 40 gigs of disk space.
"Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
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jonas aras
bought for $128 at Best Buy.It has line-in and out. I use it in conjunction
with an Audio Technica AT-822 microphone. This combo is absolutley killer.
I'd be glad to send you a short MP3 to give you a sense of the quality, but
it's absolutely "CD-ready".
The bummer with MD is that the only way to transfer it back to the computer
is with its analog output and into the soundcard.
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Dave Kaatz
"Kevin Van Sant" <kvan...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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>
> >I don't want to connect my stereo to my computer directly - they
are
> >too far apart.
>
> why not just move the turntable? (you'll probably need to get a
phono
> pre-amp)
>
desk, not a place to deposit my junk.
And other family members use it as well. And, I don't want to buy the
phono pre-amp.
I thought the mini-disk was a kind of cool 'kill two birds with one
stone' solution. But it's
still gonna be a pain in the ass, I can tell, plus that DA->AD
conversion mentioned below.
Thanks for the input on the Sharp from ebay.
Dave
Dave Kaatz
power to them. But I own all
these albums, I have a right to move them to CD as long as I don't
sell copies.
But it would be nice to my own material digitally off the md player.
Don't see a way around that though.
I don't want to spend on a studio setup, expensive sound card, etc.
I'm too much a lame hacker on the
guitar to need that.
Do any players come with optical out as well as optical in? Are there
cards that accept optical inputs?
Hah, get me, first I say I don't want a fancy card, then I ask about
them. I guess my feelings are a little
mixed.
Thanks for the responses,
Dave
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John Dahlstedt
go from the TT, through a phono preamp, into the line in of a good sound card
with quality A/D conversion in the card.
Stan Gosnell
>
> "Kevin Van Sant" <kvan...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> >I don't want to connect my stereo to my computer directly
>> >- they are too far apart.
>>
>> why not just move the turntable? (you'll probably need to
>> get a phono pre-amp)
>>
> Frankly, my desk is cluttered enough as it is. It is
> supposed to be a desk, not a place to deposit my junk.
>
> And other family members use it as well. And, I don't want
> to buy the phono pre-amp.
You should be able to get a long cord to go from the stereo's
line out to the computer's sound card line in. It's just wire,
and having 10' or so won't hurt. Leave the turntable where it
is, & run the wires out of sight/out of the way to the computer.
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Dave Kaatz
go
via the attic, which is thick with insulation. No drilling, please!
Dave
"Stan Gosnell" <GLSNig...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Stan Gosnell
> More like 20', and not possibly out of sight and out of way
> unless I go
> via the attic, which is thick with insulation. No
> drilling, please! Dave
Well, I guess you're SOL, then. You'll have to do it the hard
way.
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icarusi
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> So my big question - is this possible? Can I move music from the
> mini-disk to my computer? The manual that came with the unit I am
> returning made it clear that this step was not possible. Is it
> possible with any mini-disk recorder?
You can only do digital transfers PC>MD with the domestic recorders.
The transfer MD>PC has to be analogue, unless you buy the professional
recorders (at professional prices). I recently bought a Sony MZ-501
(NOS?) at less than half price because the newer models have a faster
USB transfer (PC>MD), but you can't edit that type of transfer once in
the MD, so a bit of a curates egg anyway. Apart from the size,
portability and ease of use, it's a bit of crocked system, compared to
virtually everything else which allows 2 way digital transfer and
editing in native format.
Icarusi
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