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GregD

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Jan 29, 2006, 8:38:36 AM1/29/06
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My favorite all-around amp that loves pedals is Fender Deluxe Reverb RI.
I've owned it a couple of times. I prefer the one with the Jensen C12K over
the pre-2000 ones with the Eminence, but both are fine.

What's yours? The one amp that if that's all you could have, you'd pick???

Greg

LarryV

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Jan 29, 2006, 8:50:28 AM1/29/06
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That's really tough to answer with all the great amps on the market. I
haven't had the chance to try most of them to actually see what they
sound like under working conditions. That said, I really dig my Trace
Elliott Bonneville C50. The amp has such a huge variety of different
tones plenty of power. With the ability to use 5 different types of
power tubes, you can change the tone completely. Only 400 of them were
made so they're pretty rare as well.

http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/Trace_Elliot/Bonneville_112_Combo-1.html

GregD

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Jan 29, 2006, 9:31:59 AM1/29/06
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"LarryV" <lar...@rcn.com> wrote in
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> That's really tough to answer with all the great amps on the market.
> I haven't had the chance to try most of them to actually see what they
> sound like under working conditions.

I should have qualified that, Larry. Of the amps that you have owned, which
one amp would you take to a desert island?

> That said, I really dig my Trace
> Elliott Bonneville C50.

Excellent amp or so I've heard. Same for the Speed Twin. I've had one of
their very compact acoustic guitar amps, the TA35CR.

Greg

Pt

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Jan 29, 2006, 9:39:26 AM1/29/06
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Marshall JCM 900 50 watt dual reverb head.
Model 1936 cabinet with 2X12 Celestions 75 watt.
EL-34 power tubes.
When people think of Marshall amps they think distortion.
I put a bigger power transformer in this amp and had it biased for
clean (cold bias).
This is the best sounding clean amp I ever played through and I have
played through many amps.
I can kick in the high channel for distortion but I rarely use it.
I use a Mesa V-1 (2) tube preamp.
I have been gigging with this amp since 1989 with very few problems.
Musicians in the audience expect Marshall crunch but they are
surprised when they hear the lovely clean sounds I get from this amp.
This is the ONLY amp I have had that is a keeper.
I even play my elec/acoustic through it and it sounds beautiful.
Very woody.
Most tube amps can be set up the way you want them.
It takes trial and error and a few tubes to get it right.
For SS amps I like the Roland JC 120 (with a moise gate).

Pt

Texas Pete

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Jan 29, 2006, 10:04:04 AM1/29/06
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:38:36 GMT, GregD <Your...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>What's yours? The one amp that if that's all you could have, you'd pick???

Ampeg B12XT.

Texas Pete

Pt

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Jan 29, 2006, 10:27:34 AM1/29/06
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:04:04 -0600, Texas Pete <pete...@aol.com>
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Bass amp?

Pt

mark (sixstringtheoryDOTcom)

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Jan 29, 2006, 10:58:18 AM1/29/06
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Ah....amps! Skip this ppost now unless you have a few minutes to burn,
cus I can go on and on about em : )

I've been through most of the under $500 ones it seems, including:

Fender Blues Jr: I had the tweed, "greenboard" older version made in the
USA. It was very nice. Prior to this, I had bought one of the newer ones
from Guitar Center to try out and take to a rehearsal. It was
terrible. Couldn't dial out the highs on it - icepick. And the reverb
was so hissy it was unbelievable. But I'm in the minority apparently on
this. Most people seem to like the newer version better, or so it seems
based on internet discusions at the fender forum.

Peavey Classic 30: the one I had sounded phenomenal and had just the
right amount of power for me. But then after a few months it started to
sound not so great. Just kind of dull. The one I got came used (as
almost all my amps do) and it had a Celestion V30 in it (which I don't
like as it's mid-rangey) so I sold it. The guy I sold it to,
fortunately, was apparently a collector/officianado of Peavey Classic
30's and told me that when he received it he went through it and found
that it had been running on only half of the power section and it had
cracked solder joints inside. I had no idea. Fortunately for both of
his, he didn't mind, because he said he always goes through and checks
those amps for this problem because it is common. Great amp for the
money. I would like to try a Peavey Delta Blues.

Traynor YGM-3 GuitarMate Reverb: excellent clean. This was a closed-back
combo that was a heavy 50-55 pounds, and LOUD at 25 watts. Super loud.
Couldn't use it for home practice because it was so loud, I think mostly
because of the closed cabinet and directional nature of the sound. I
took it to an audition and it was too directional sound-wise. Good amp
overall, but not worth the weight.

Traynor YCV20WR: this was the wine red tolex one. 15 watts, Celestion
greenback speaker. It had lots of options - every feature you could
possibly want. They now have a newer revision of it that even has XLR
output. But, like all 'do it all' amps with tons of knobs, this one was
lackluster in every department. Sounded lifeless to me. Big disappointment.

Mesa F30: I got screwed around by a salesman at Guitar Center one time
and it came at a bad time, as I needed an amp (my current amp at the
time was broken)for a rehearsal one evening and I always wanted to try a
Mesa amp but could never spend that much money on one. So I 'rented' one
of these for the night. Amazing distortion. Singing sustain. Really fun
distortion. Clean was lackluster, dull. But, after playing it for 2
hours, one of the preamp tubes burned out during rehearsal. So maybe
that was the issue with the clean channel. Nice amp but not for the
dough, unless you want distortion.

Mesa DC2: After trying the F30 I scoured ebay for a cheaper Mesa amp.
The DC2 gets rave reviews. It, again, had all kinds of features. Clean
channel was okay at best. Distortion/overdrive channel, in atypical
fashion for Mesa, was absolutely horrible. Oh, and when people mention
"Mesa watts" they ain't kidding. A 20 watt Mesa amp is louder than most
40 watt amps to my ears.

Tech 21 Trademark 10: the little one. Great amp, especially for the
money. Not enough power for what I needed at the time, but surprisingly
loud for only 10 solid state watts. I think I read on this NG someone
saying that anyone who says solid-state watts are not as powerful as
tube watts is full of shit. Well, maybe theoretically, but in reality,
come put your ear next to the amps and you'll soon see. You won't hear
again. But you'll see.

Tech 21 Trademark 60: the latest amp I'm now trying to sell. Every
feature imaginable. Sounds dull and lifeless for the most part. People
rave about them though, so maybe it's just me.

Music Man RD112 Fifty: most amazing clean ever. Beautiful clean sound.
Nice and light amp too. The "limiter" channel was useless. I think
"limiter" referred to tone quality - because when I hit that switch the
amp was terrible. This amp, to my ears, was like a single-sided knife:
on one side the clean was phenomenal. And normally that's all you need
because the pedals can handle the rest. But pedals sounded like terrible
with this amp. I spoke to a tech about it and he said that because of
the solid-state input, everything I use in front of the amp will turn to
mush. It did. Shame. I got a great offer (doubled my money) on it so I
sold it to a jazz guy in Austin. I regret selling it. The clean was that
good.

Fender Pro Jr: I got one of these when they first came out. I hated it.
But I can't stand to play without a little reverb so that could have
been it.

Of all of these amps (and there were probably a few more I had over the
years that I just forgot about), the best all-around amp was definitely
the Peavey Classic 30, and the Older version of the Blues Junior was
real nice too but not as good as the C30. The Music Man blew away
everything in the clean department. One trick pony. Which usually means
it's good. I'm searching for a new amp now, and am considering going for
either a mid-sized solid state Roland Cube or Polytone type amp, or an
older Fender small tube. But if I had to pick just one to take to an
island right now, it'd probably be the Classic 30 since it did
everything so well for a $300 amp.

YMMV
mark

Peter Grey

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Jan 29, 2006, 12:01:50 PM1/29/06
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Polytone Fusion. It does everything well. Killer clean to wonderful
distortion. Impossible to find. I'd buy another as a back up in a second.

Peter
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jdah...@uiuc.edu

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Jan 29, 2006, 12:15:52 PM1/29/06
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Blackface Fender Twin - but since no one I hang out with can lift one
any longer (with the
necessary JBL or Weber Alnico speakers) I'll say a Fender DRRI with a
Weber P-12N
RCA black plate 6v6's, RCA rectifier, and a mix of Mullard, Amperex,
and Telefunken 12ax7's
and 12at7's.

(I have this setup now and owned it years ago too)

John

Adam Gottschalk

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Jan 29, 2006, 12:52:24 PM1/29/06
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In article <Xns975A57E7...@70.168.83.30>,
GregD <Your...@nowhere.com> wrote:

My Hafler P3000 power amp. 150w/channel into 8ohms, 400w mono into 8
ohms. Either I plug one of various small DIs/preamps directly into the
amp, or I put various DIs/preamps into my small 6-channel Peavey mixer.
Usually I use it with two bass cabinets; just sold a GK 200w, and I'm
looking for a lightweight cab rated at 400w so I can use the rig in mono
with just that one cab when situations warrant it. I use this
amp/speaker setup for guitar, bass, voice, and whatever else needs to be
amplified. Takes anything you throw at it and makes it sound awesome.
It's dead silent; it has no fan, passive cooling. My mixer makes noise
but the amp is so silent you can't tell it's on. The amp I'll go down in
flames with.

Texas Pete

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Jan 29, 2006, 6:33:24 PM1/29/06
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:27:34 GMT, Pt <can.n...@reached.com> wrote:

>> Ampeg B12XT.
>>
>
>Bass amp?

Guitar/Accordion. Flip-top 2x12. 60-watts, I think. Has reverb
and true warbling vibrato. As I (dimly) recall the vibrato knob was
push-pull and did tremolo as well. Absolutely a wonderful sounding
amp. Wish I'd kept it.

Texas Pete

Formerly Sideways

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Jan 29, 2006, 7:20:35 PM1/29/06
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Texas Pete nails it.

For me, right now, it's my '65 Reverberocket II.

If weight and size were no issue, the B12xt is it hands down.

I played with a keyboard player who owned one of these. It had JBL's
in it. It weighed a ton, but it screamed like no other amp before or
since.

google...@yahoo.com

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Jan 29, 2006, 8:34:14 PM1/29/06
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> What's yours? The one amp that if that's all you could have, you'd pick???
>
> Greg


I'll let you know once I've found it. :)

Chip L

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Jan 29, 2006, 9:56:29 PM1/29/06
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I've owned many amps and still have a couple vintage Fenders (67 BF DR,
66 BFPrinceton Rev). They are killer R&R/blues amps but I rarely play
them.

For every gig for the last couple of years, I've played a late
80's/early 90s Yamaha G100-112 III solid state amp. This is the cube
shaped amp w/ the colored knobs. Its a fantastic jazz amp and a nice
transparent amplifier for multi fx/amp modelers. Weights a ton
though...

Chip L

Tom Walls

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Jan 30, 2006, 8:02:16 AM1/30/06
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In article <bvjqt154hoatpvlkn...@4ax.com>,
pete...@aol.com says...
I used to have a B15 that was modified to a 12. Incredible. Weighed a
ton, of course. The odd thing is: I don't remember what happened to it.
A senior moment.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus

dunlop212

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Jan 30, 2006, 8:40:10 AM1/30/06
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I have owned dozens of amps, including most of the tweed and blackface
stuff. Really love my Evans AE-100, but most versatile, desert island,
great sounding amp? Easy call: 410 tweed bassman. Sounds great in every
venue, every style, with every instrument (great for bass, too).
Faithful copies of the real thing are pretty affordable. Has anyone
ever owned one of these and not liked it?

Starcaster

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Jan 30, 2006, 9:37:39 AM1/30/06
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I've got major GAS for guitars, but I've been pretty 'true' to just a
couple of tube amps. I've owned a Fender Super Amp since 1992 when I
bought it new. It's 60w all tube with 3 switchable channels, has the
absolute best bar none (IMNSHO) clean tone ever, is warm and smooth as
can be, deep tube reverb, etc. The amp has 4 blue 10" speakers and is
basically a new take on the Super Reverb. It was part of the "Pro Tube
Series" by Fender for a few years in the early 90's. It's heavy
though.

Other favorite small amp is my SF Princeton Reverb. Really great
one-trick pony, and very portable. But pricey nowadays.

A perfect amp for me would be in between these size-wise, weigh less
than 40 lbs, be all tube with fantastic clean and Boogie-esque singing
distortion channels, etc. Haven't found it yet, but then again I've
been too busy enjoying my Super to pay much attention!

Roger

e...@cypress.com

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Jan 30, 2006, 9:59:06 AM1/30/06
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I'm with you on this one - my 70's Marshall JMP MkII 50 watt master
volume head with 1960tv 4x12 greenbacks cab sounds so sweet...clean or
nasty (mostly clean with pedals).
I a/b 'd it against a ton of amps, nothing has the "touch", or
"harmonic tones" like a nice Marshall. - fasteddie

Phil

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Jan 30, 2006, 10:04:32 AM1/30/06
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I like my Blackfaced Deluxe Reverb (70' SF chassis and cab. rebuilt to
Blackface specs) w/ JBL speaker.

oasysco

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Jan 30, 2006, 10:25:13 AM1/30/06
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>I like my Blackfaced Deluxe Reverb (70' SF chassis and cab. rebuilt to
>Blackface specs) w/ JBL speaker.

That would be a fine choice!

Greg

Dave Stephens

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Jan 30, 2006, 10:36:34 AM1/30/06
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"oasysco" <wilder...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, I love JBL's but they'll really stretch your arm.

Dave


Pt

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Jan 30, 2006, 11:07:18 AM1/30/06
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I have a JMP Mk2 but mine is 100 watts.
Fantastic rock amp but very, very loud.
Too bad it's not 50 watts.
You got a good one there.

Pt

thom_j.

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Jan 30, 2006, 2:58:27 PM1/30/06
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Marshall!! Marshall!! Marshall!! Attica! Attica! Attica!
For got my meds! phuuuweeee I feel better much now!


juru...@aol.com

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Jan 30, 2006, 3:31:15 PM1/30/06
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I've had many that I love, including the trace and peavey bandit I have
now, but some favorites were

'62 blonde on blonde Fender Bassman

Old rust colored tolex fender concert - can't remember the year, maybe
'60 or so.

'64 Twin (I used to run this thru a Kustom cabinet with 2 D-130F's and
it would knock airplanes out of the sky with spl's.)

Peavey Artist w/ 4 6L6's and a 12" speaker, think it was a 'black
widow' or something like that - aluminum cone.

That's all for blues and rock. for jazz, about anything will do for
me.

Clif

Peter Huggins

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Jan 30, 2006, 3:27:49 PM1/30/06
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<snip>

<<< For every gig for the last couple of years, I've played a late
80's/early 90s Yamaha G100-112 III solid state amp. This is the cube
shaped amp w/ the colored knobs. Its a fantastic jazz amp and a nice
transparent   amplifier for multi fx/amp modelers. Weights a ton
though...
Chip L >>>

I just got one of these amps. Haven`t played with it much yet but it
seems quite versatile. I liked the old G-100 II and thought it quite
useable though a bit noisy. This one was hard to pass up for only $125
with the foot pedal and manual. It sure is deep (cabinet depth) compared
to a Fender amp though, it won`t sit on some chairs, `cause its just too
big. The weight is not as bad as my bud`s Mesa with the EV which we
nicknamed the 'Hernia Boogie' ....

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e...@cypress.com

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Jan 30, 2006, 3:47:48 PM1/30/06
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oK so it more rock that std Jazz but my bass amp is nice also Hiwatt
400 w Gauss 2x15'. fasteddie

Texas Pete

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Jan 30, 2006, 3:35:12 PM1/30/06
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:58:27 -0500, "thom_j." <thom_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Marshall!! Marshall!! Marshall!! Attica! Attica! Attica!
>For got my meds! phuuuweeee I feel better much now!
>

EZ does it. bro. You gotta been there so's you can really know what
was up. Oops! Thought you said "forgot my medals." Sorry.

Stay outta "real" jail is my advice. There's a lot of genuinely bad
people there.

Texas Pete

Vince

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Jan 30, 2006, 8:49:33 PM1/30/06
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Yeah, I love my 1970 Bassman - Blackfaced By David Allen on one channel, and
set to Marsall Plexi on the other channel. Once those tubes warm up - it's a
sweet sound.

I also love my old Crate VCH50 Head - it's has a great clean tone - cost
me $150.00!


Winston Castro

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Jan 30, 2006, 11:13:25 PM1/30/06
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:49:33 GMT, "Vince" <bluesb...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Yeah, I love my 1970 Bassman - Blackfaced By David Allen on one channel, and
>set to Marsall Plexi on the other channel. Once those tubes warm up - it's a
>sweet sound.


I have a cheap knockoff of a Bassman circuit. A Sovtek Mig-50 head.
Basically, circuitry wise, a direct ripoff of the 1959 fender bassman
electronics. (Note, half the "boutique amps" out there probably use
this same circuit or some slight variation thereof)

Great amp really... I believe it uses 5881 tubes instead of the more
common 6L6s.

45w, no master volume, and no reverb, but sounds like the proverbial
"creamery butter."



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Greger Hoel

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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:49:33 GMT, "Vince" <bluesb...@verizon.net>
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>Yeah, I love my 1970 Bassman - Blackfaced By David Allen on one channel, and

I wish I'd bought the VC50 combo I tried out back in the nineties.
Fantastic amp, but it felt as heavy as two Twins.
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Pt

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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:49:33 GMT, "Vince" <bluesb...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Yeah, I love my 1970 Bassman - Blackfaced By David Allen on one channel, and


A lot of people don't know about Crate's Vintage Club amps.
They are excellent tube amps.
I played through a 20 watt, 30 watt (3 speakers) and a 50 watt.
I like them all.
Very Fender like but with more gain.

Pt

Max S.

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Jan 31, 2006, 5:18:46 PM1/31/06
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I owned a Yamaha G100-112 for years before passing it along - I missed
the clean sound so much I bought a G50-410 - it's a big black
superclean "Super Reverb" killer - and it's got Tremolo!!! Needs wheels
though...

I love the sound of tubes, but they just never work for me night after
night in different venues - they just never sound consistent to me. I'd
rather just plug in a nice pedal.

I love the old Music Man stuff.

Several '80s incarnations of Peavey Bandit are nice.

It's a lot of fun to get an old Fender Champ and dime every knob and
just smash away at the strings...

Max S.

Vince

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Jan 31, 2006, 7:41:02 PM1/31/06
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Yeah, I bet it was heavy! The Head is heavy! But, it has a greta clean
tone - a variation on Fender tone.


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Vince

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That's the funny thing about this amp - The Bassman - once the ubes get
warm - you get the tone without reverb.


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