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Thom_j.

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Aug 22, 2002, 6:44:30 PM8/22/02
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Okay all you high spirited artists aka musicians there's
a *full moon* tonight! So don't say I didn't worn ya! :)~


NJD

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Aug 22, 2002, 7:16:21 PM8/22/02
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In article <iPd99.129497$m91.5...@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,
thom_...@yahoo.com says...

> Okay all you high spirited artists aka musicians there's
> a *full moon* tonight! So don't say I didn't worn ya! :)~

I used to work as a "heavy weight" in a medium-security mental
institution. I hated it when the moon was full. That *always* meant a
rough night.

I worked my way through two years at Berklee college that way. It was a
full time job with full time pay (just over minimum wage). It was good
though, in a way, because the hours were from 8AM Saturday until
midnight Sunday -- just one shift per week. We got to sleep from
midnight Saturday until 8am Sunday. I had the rest of the week off for
classes and practice.

Seemed like a good deal, but it was definitely a young man's work. My
wife used to pick me up and said that I was always white as a ghost when
I came out of that place. The work was really draining (I am not at all
a violent man despite being very large).

TANGENT: Interestingly, the place I worked was Danver's State Mental
Hospital, which is a VERY old institution built right on top of the site
where they executed the Salem witches. Underneath the hospital are
miles and miles of old underground tunnels. I went down there with a
friend one night and it was the creepiest night of my life. Using
flashlights we walked for hours finding many rat infested rooms with
shadows of shackles seemingly hanging on the old stone walls.

YIKES!

[If any of you are thinking of making a horror movie, have I got a shoot
site for you! I could do the sound track.]

I was also caught up in a religious cult for a while. We basically were
supposed to hide under our beds praying for protection during a full
moon.

Dopey. Mea culpa. Mea dopey.

Tonight, I greet the full moon with a tall glass of Jack Daniels and
expect to get a little practice time in despite my sore thumb. I've
been taking it easy today, hoping my thumb will heal. I took 6
Ibuprofen earlier and now it doesn't hurt.

:-)

--
Nick
http://www.ironia.net
http://www.cultv.com

Thom_j.

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Aug 22, 2002, 7:31:46 PM8/22/02
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Nick, Good ole' Stephen King is always looking for new places
to make them feel scared as hell! Aint he a NewEnglander too? :)
A full moonin' thom_j.

> YIKES!
>
> [If any of you are thinking of making a horror movie, have I got a shoot
> site for you! I could do the sound track.]

NJD

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Aug 22, 2002, 8:02:22 PM8/22/02
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In article <Bve99.137513$2p2.6...@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,
thom_...@yahoo.com says...

> Nick, Good ole' Stephen King is always looking for new places
> to make them feel scared as hell! Aint he a NewEnglander too? :)
> A full moonin' thom_j.

When I was at Berklee, my best friend was just about the toughest guy
you'd ever want to meet. He was a professional kick boxer who liked to
do things that were scary -- and he was a hard guy to scare.

So we used to seek out scary places.

It's hard to top Danvers, but where I grew up has a lot of creepy places
too. According to my parents' priest, the church does more exorcisms in
this area than anywhere else in the world. So I took my kick-boxing
comrade for a tour around here once and he did indeed get spooked,
happily.

There's actually a road not far from here in Warren county NJ that is
named "Shades of Death Road." I kid you not. It says so, right on the
street sign.

And I tell you it is aptly named. Drive down there late on the night of
a full moon and I guarantee you'll be creeped out.

Some of the most famous ghosts in popular culture are based near here
including the famed "Hooker Man" of Long Valley. Cornell researchers
even came out to investigate that one, speculating in the end that it
was a recurring natural phenomenon (namely "ball lightning").

We even have scores of Big Foot sightings in Warren County on record. I
actually talked to the veterinarian who examined some livestock
reportedly killed by Big Foot within weeks of the event (he was my mom's
dog's vet). That was pretty interesting. He didn't know what to make
of it either. He was certain that it could not have been a bear,
because the animal was "****grabbed**** so hard that its heart burst."
A bear can't grab. Under my relentless questioning, he did admit that
an extremely powerful man might have been able to do the same.

I have intelligent and otherwise normal friends who claim familiarity
with haunted places. I even worked with a woman whose house was
featured in Ellery Queen as being haunted. She insisted that her house
was indeed haunted and that paranormal phenomena, such as floating
furniture, were routine. She knew here ghosts and liked them.

FWIW, I do not believe in ghosts myself and really do not know what to
make of such claims, but I do find them interesting.

There's a magazine published locally that covers some of this stuff.
It's called "Strange New Jersey" IIRC.

Visit me sometime (any of you) and I'll take you for a tour.

Or we could just jam.

That's on an open invitation to you and to the whole group should the
situation ever arise. I live in scary ol' Morris County NJ. Come on
down!

:-)

--

Rick Ross

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Aug 22, 2002, 8:03:59 PM8/22/02
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shit Tom..I told ya not to tell me that..just pissed on my couch and now my
arms are getting unusually hairy

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Thom_j.

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Aug 22, 2002, 10:32:42 PM8/22/02
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LoL..Nick this could be anywhere in the "toxic state" even down
in my end of Southern NJ :) Remember we have the "Jersey Devil"
and so it goes.. Oooops my window's rattling I think it's Casper :)
cheers thom_j.

Thom_j.

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Aug 22, 2002, 10:34:02 PM8/22/02
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Didnt you get the "Depends" I sent ya? The "Nair" is on its way too :)

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Tom Lippincott

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Aug 23, 2002, 4:27:24 AM8/23/02
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>That's on an open invitation to you and to the whole group should the
>situation ever arise. I live in scary ol' Morris County NJ. Come on
>down!
>
> :-)
>
>--
>Nick

Is that Morris county as in Morristown? I was born in Parsipany (hope I
spelled that right), which is near Morristown and Denville. If that's the
case, maybe THAT's why I've always been into Poe and Lovecraft!

Tom Lippincott
Guitarist, Composer, Teacher
audio samples, articles, CD's at:
http://www.tomlippincott.com

NJD

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Aug 23, 2002, 8:38:45 AM8/23/02
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In article <e9h99.139206$2p2.6...@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,
thom_...@yahoo.com says...

> LoL..Nick this could be anywhere in the "toxic state" even down
> in my end of Southern NJ :) Remember we have the "Jersey Devil"
> and so it goes.. Oooops my window's rattling I think it's Casper :)
> cheers thom_j.

I wrote a song titled "The Jersey Devil" that we used to play in coffee
houses back in the seventies. Went over pretty well IIRC.

NJD

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Aug 23, 2002, 8:42:06 AM8/23/02
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In article <20020823042724...@mb-cn.aol.com>,
tomli...@aol.comnospam says...

> Is that Morris county as in Morristown? I was born in Parsipany (hope I
> spelled that right), which is near Morristown and Denville. If that's the
> case, maybe THAT's why I've always been into Poe and Lovecraft!

Yes indeed. I live in the Ironia section of Randolph. The drummer and
one of the bass players I've been recording with are both from
Morristown, which is only about 15 minutes from here. Our pediatrician
is in Parsippany.

Most of the paranormal stuff I've heard about is a bit further west in
Warren county, though the famous "Hooker Man" is in Morris County in
Long Valley.

Thom_j.

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Aug 23, 2002, 9:15:46 AM8/23/02
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The "Jersey Devil" is still a really big thing down here in the
Pine Barrens... cheers thom_j.

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thomas

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Aug 23, 2002, 4:27:15 PM8/23/02
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NJD <del...@NIXSPAAMcultv.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.17cf45863...@news.optonline.net>...

>
> We even have scores of Big Foot sightings in Warren County on record. I
> actually talked to the veterinarian who examined some livestock
> reportedly killed by Big Foot within weeks of the event (he was my mom's
> dog's vet). That was pretty interesting. He didn't know what to make
> of it either. He was certain that it could not have been a bear,
> because the animal was "****grabbed**** so hard that its heart burst."
> A bear can't grab. Under my relentless questioning, he did admit that
> an extremely powerful man might have been able to do the same.


Only an idiot believes in Bigfoot. Everyone knows that Elvis's
clone is responsible for all those cattle mutilations.

NJD

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Aug 23, 2002, 4:48:13 PM8/23/02
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In article <7d424f23.02082...@posting.google.com>,
tomb...@jhu.edu says...

> Only an idiot believes in Bigfoot. Everyone knows that Elvis's
> clone is responsible for all those cattle mutilations.

I don't know. I find the possibility of an undiscovered primate species
plausible, if highly unlikely.

I did comment to the good doctor that the idea of "an extremely powerful
man" running around dressed up in a gorilla suit ripping adult rabbits
in half and killing two German Shepherds with his bare hands was hardly
a more comforting thought.

Tom Lippincott

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Aug 23, 2002, 4:57:51 PM8/23/02
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>Yes indeed. I live in the Ironia section of Randolph. The drummer and
>one of the bass players I've been recording with are both from
>Morristown, which is only about 15 minutes from here. Our pediatrician
>is in Parsippany.
>
>Most of the paranormal stuff I've heard about is a bit further west in
>Warren county, though the famous "Hooker Man" is in Morris County in
>Long Valley.
>
>--
>Nick

well whadda ya know. If this isn't too off topic (as if it wasn't already,
heh) what is the story of the "Hooker Man?"

NJD

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Aug 23, 2002, 5:13:52 PM8/23/02
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In article <20020823165751...@mb-cn.aol.com>,
tomli...@aol.comnospam says...

> well whadda ya know. If this isn't too off topic (as if it wasn't already,
> heh) what is the story of the "Hooker Man?"

I'm not sure of the official version, but lots and lots of people have
witnessed a light floating down the railroad tracks there. It so
happens the railroad goes through a really dark area surrounded by
forest on both sides.

I think the story is that a railroad hooker man (which is a guy that
carries a light doing something or other), got run over by a train a
long time ago and that ne now walks the tracks at night swinging his
light back and forth.

Cornell investigated and actually took photographs of the mysterious
light. They speculated that it was ball lightning.

Everyone from this area has some story about going down to see it. I
went as a kid, but didn't see anything. It is really spooky down there
though.

But what really dark lonely place isn't spooky?

Many years ago, a bass player I work with sometimes played a practical
joke on some fellow H.S. kids who had gone down to look for the ghost.
He and a friend waited for them to come and proceeded to scare the the
hell out of 'em.

Unknown

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Aug 23, 2002, 5:43:27 PM8/23/02
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:48:13 -0400, NJD <del...@NIXSPAAMcultv.com>
wrote:

>In article <7d424f23.02082...@posting.google.com>,
>tomb...@jhu.edu says...
>> Only an idiot believes in Bigfoot. Everyone knows that Elvis's
>> clone is responsible for all those cattle mutilations.
>
>I don't know. I find the possibility of an undiscovered primate species
>plausible, if highly unlikely.
>

Edmund Hillary noted that the sherpas often went barefoot, and their
toes were often lopsided as a result. Get a Sherpa footprint in the
snow, have it partly melt in the sun, then refreeze, and Hey! Presto!
Tourist attraction! The guy who took the most famous picture of the
Loch Ness Monster has freely admitted that he faked the photo with a
child's bath toy. And there are still people who believe in Nessie.
You want a monster? Hang on ... I've got my ex-wife's number here
somewhere .... The abominable no, man.

Thom_j.

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Aug 23, 2002, 6:27:33 PM8/23/02
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I just saw Elvis this afternoon coming out of our local 7/11
with 800 1/2 gallons of ice cream? Guess he's trying to keep
his weight up? :) thom_j.

Rbsoul

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Aug 23, 2002, 6:34:09 PM8/23/02
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<< Danver's State Mental
Hospital>>

This is a scary place and it has been used as a set for a scary movie. Last
year or the year before the B movie "Session 9" was shot there. I never saw it.


There are several old state mental hospitals in Massachusetts that have been
shut down (in the early 90's) and just stand empty (These sites are several
hundred acres with lots of huge abandoned buildings). There is one in Waltham
where I shot (I'm a professional cameraman) for the show "The Worlds Scariest
Places" for Fox Network. It doesn't seem that scary when your with a production
crew...but it looked scary on the show!!
Ken Willinger


NJD

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Aug 23, 2002, 7:41:11 PM8/23/02
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In article <20020823183409...@mb-fp.aol.com>, rbs...@aol.com
says...

Kewl! Someone who knows the place. Have you ever been down in the
tunnels? The labyrinth down there is incredible. It goes on and on and
on.

Doug (my kick boxing buddy) and I had to break in through a rusty iron
gate to get in.

[ Shhhh! Don't tell anyone. :-) ]

To make this more on topic, there are places in there that it'd be cool
to record. It's such a massive complex of old gothic-like stone and
brick buildings. There's got to be some interesting acoustics -- not to
mention the weird vibes of all those psychopaths, dead witches, et al.

You should check out "Shades of Death Road" in Warren County, NJ if you
do the show again. Give me a buzz if you do and I'll meet you there
with my acoustic guitar.

;-)

As for truly scary places, there is a mental institution right in the
heart of Boston that chilled me to the core of my bones. I was so
struck by a single visit in the early eighties to that portal to hell,
that the horrible feeling is still painfully vivid in my mind.

I intend to try to convey the utter horror of that place in music some
day. But so far, I haven't felt ready to make the attempt.

It is still on my to-do list though.

Bob Russell

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Aug 23, 2002, 8:43:56 PM8/23/02
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in article MPG.17d06f9ad...@news.optonline.net, NJD at
del...@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote on 8/23/02 5:13 PM:

> I think the story is that a railroad hooker man (which is a guy that
> carries a light doing something or other), got run over by a train a
> long time ago and that ne now walks the tracks at night swinging his
> light back and forth.
>
> Cornell investigated and actually took photographs of the mysterious
> light. They speculated that it was ball lightning.

That's wild; we have a story like that here in coastal NC. It's called the
"Maco Light", supposedly the ghost of old Joe Baldwin, a railroad man who
was beheaded when two train cars accidentally coupled. "Out looking for his
head", don't you know. Interestingly, since the state rerouted some highway
through that area, nobody sees Joe anymore. There were all kinds of theories
from reflections to swamp gas to static electricity.

-- Bob Russell
http://www.bobrussellguitar.com


Thom_j.

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Aug 23, 2002, 10:37:03 PM8/23/02
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Sheeesh Richard do you have to show how weird our Garbage
State really is? :) NJ tee_jay


"Richard" wrote:
> Check out http://www.weirdnj.com - lots of weird stuff in NJ!
>
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Jurupari

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Aug 23, 2002, 11:11:00 PM8/23/02
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>I intend to try to convey the utter horror of that place in music some
>day. But so far, I haven't felt ready to make the attempt.

I think it's been done - there was a Penderecki score in a film of Huxley's
Devils of Loudon - should fit the bill nicely, I think. The Book of Lists has
it as the worst film of all time, but that was more about the story than
anything else.

Clif Kuplen

Djimbo

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Invention of the Monsters? A.D.

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icarusi

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Aug 23, 2002, 5:46:34 PM8/23/02
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NJD <del...@NIXSPAAMcultv.com> wrote in message
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> It's hard to top Danvers, but where I grew up has a lot of


creepy places
> too. According to my parents' priest, the church does more
exorcisms in
> this area than anywhere else in the world. So I took my
kick-boxing
> comrade for a tour around here once and he did indeed get
spooked,
> happily.

There's a main road in Linconshire which is the most haunted in
Britain. The cops get more reports by anxious drivers who think
they've run down a pedestrian on that road more than any other.
Sounds like a good route for your friend to drive?

Icarusi
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