Rough mix of new tune

[Joey Goldstein]

<http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12103027>

I'm not really sure why I'm posting this right now.
It's not really ready for prime-time yet, but here's a rough mix of one
of my tunes that I'm in the midst of recording right now with the intent
to release an "album" of some sort in 2013.

Comments welcome, but be nice.

--
Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://home.primus.ca/~joegold/AudioClips/audio.htm>

[Mental Handle]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:11:23 -0500, Joey Goldstein wrote:

> <http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12103027>
>
> I'm not really sure why I'm posting this right now.
> It's not really ready for prime-time yet, but here's a rough mix of one
> of my tunes that I'm in the midst of recording right now with the intent
> to release an "album" of some sort in 2013.
>
> Comments welcome, but be nice.

OK. Thats 517.

[Jim Soloway]

I like this a lot. Its a very odd piece of music (in a very good way). I love when it starts to swing and you cary the harmony. I was a little jarred by the chorused solo tone. I guess that's really a function of being a rough mix and the guitar jumping too far forward but the playing is really nice. It's a piece that challenges the listener without getting too outside and that's quite an achievement.

[TD]

Very cool.

[Joey Goldstein]

On 1/11/13 6:11 PM, Joey Goldstein wrote:
> <http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12103027>
>
>
> I'm not really sure why I'm posting this right now.
> It's not really ready for prime-time yet, but here's a rough mix of one
> of my tunes that I'm in the midst of recording right now with the intent
> to release an "album" of some sort in 2013.
>
> Comments welcome, but be nice.
>

OK.
Here's another one:
<http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12103109>

Meanwhile... This is supposed to be set up for streaming only.
If anybody can actually download these files please let me know so I can
take them down.

Thanks for the kind comments so far.

[Lord Valve]

Oom-Pah Oom-Pah-Pah...

Take it down to under three minutes and let some
air into it - it's choked with notes. Bitchin'drummer.
The sax player is good too, but I think that for this
tune his vibrato is a bit too ostentatious. Not that
you suck or anything, but you played on every single
beat for the whole tune. Lemme guess - in a previous
life, you were a harmonica player... ;-) Overall, it put
me in mind of a tune that would be played behind a
bent circus act featuring tumbling and juggling.

Of course, I *am* an organist...


Lord Valve
Critic

[TD]

I dig it.

[Gerry]

On 2013-01-11 23:53:53 +0000, Joey Goldstein said:

> Here's another one:
> <http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12103109>
>

Both are very impressive cuts. They are indeed rough mixes, but not
really so far off the mark. The first cut's head has all the vibe of
the 50's arrangments that I love so well. And then the energy of a much
hotter period. Guitar presence in the audio profile is great. That is;
obvious and present. Good guitar sound and playing as well.

All true of the second cut. as well. I'm looking forward to the final release.

> Meanwhile... This is supposed to be set up for streaming only.

There is no such thing. Any audio that comes out of any program can be
snatched and stored if you're handy. And I, for one, am mighty handy.

> If anybody can actually download these files please let me know so I
> can take them down.

I tested to be sure there wasn't some oddball magic bullet, but
no--they are snatchable, as is everything. I wouldn't worry about it
too much, particularly in these, our leaner times of activity at rmmgj.
Take 'em down in a few days if you're anxious.
--
Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden

[John A.]

Great stuff. I like the first one more than the second. It has a bit more personality and playfulness, and seems a bit less Brecker/Sco intense to me. Not that that's a bad thing, but I can find that kind of intensity fatiguing if untempered by other colors for a whole album. Obviously, that's more commentary on where my tastes lie than on the caliber and sophistication of both the performance and the composition, are top shelf. You might think about trying to play music for a living ;-)

John

[Ric]

Very nice - good tunes and great playing!

[Paul K]

On 1/11/13 6:53 PM, Joey Goldstein wrote:
> On 1/11/13 6:11 PM, Joey Goldstein wrote:
>> <http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12103027>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not really sure why I'm posting this right now.
>> It's not really ready for prime-time yet, but here's a rough mix of one
>> of my tunes that I'm in the midst of recording right now with the intent
>> to release an "album" of some sort in 2013.
>>
>> Comments welcome, but be nice.
>>
>
> OK.
> Here's another one:
> <http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12103109>
>
>
> Meanwhile... This is supposed to be set up for streaming only.
> If anybody can actually download these files please let me know so I can
> take them down.
>
> Thanks for the kind comments so far.
>

I like them both. Are you playing a telecaster on the second?

I can't download them.

--
Paul K
http://www.youtube.com/user/fibrationboy
http://www.soundclick.com/paulkirk
http://mypage.iu.edu/~pkirk/

[ott...@hotmail.com]

Good stuff there Joey, can't fault the playing for sure.

But, and I don't think it's just my set up,that on the first track I find the Bass a bit too too loud, and the Drummer is mixed Waayy down.
He's a good drummer let's hear him, I can hardly hear the cybals ezxcept on crashes. Balance is a bit better on the 2nd track, but I Like to hear a drummer,
they add color too as well as time feel.

That;'s a trend I've noticed on the past 3 cd's I've bought, pushing the drummers too far back in the mix.

Bg

[Mike Neer]

Diggin' it!

[ott...@hotmail.com]

I just re-listened to this track with a good set of headphones, and the drums are more audible especially on that solo section, but I still find the higher frequencies of the drum set, like cymbals or hi hat not quite there excet on crashes. I just a new 'puter and sound levels were set way down, so I raised them a bit.

Definitely an interesting composition, is it in 5/4 all the time, or are there some other time changes in it as well??

Bg
The deaf one.

[ott...@hotmail.com]

Thanks for the kind comments so far. -- Joey Goldstein <http://www.joeygoldstein.com> <http://home.primus.ca/~joegold/AudioClips/audio.htm>

Man, that 2nd tune's a killer, really Great playing by all, I just listened to it for a 3rd time, I like the balance there just fine, and the guitar with just a touch of bite sounds great.

Bg, and still the deaf one.

[Joey Goldstein]

On 1/11/13 10:46 PM, Paul K wrote:
> On 1/11/13 6:53 PM, Joey Goldstein wrote:
>> On 1/11/13 6:11 PM, Joey Goldstein wrote:
>>> <http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12103027>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not really sure why I'm posting this right now.
>>> It's not really ready for prime-time yet, but here's a rough mix of one
>>> of my tunes that I'm in the midst of recording right now with the intent
>>> to release an "album" of some sort in 2013.
>>>
>>> Comments welcome, but be nice.
>>>
>>
>> OK.
>> Here's another one:
>> <http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12103109>
>>
>>
>>
>> Meanwhile... This is supposed to be set up for streaming only.
>> If anybody can actually download these files please let me know so I can
>> take them down.
>>
>> Thanks for the kind comments so far.
>>
> I like them both. Are you playing a telecaster on the second?

It's my most recent FrankenTele (Warmoth chambered mahogany body w/maple
top and USACG 24.75" scale mahogany neck).

> I can't download them.

Well even if folks can dl them, with the poor bit rate mp3 and meagre
mix, it's not a big worry.

Thanks to all for the comments.

[andy-uk .]

Excellent, great solo. Reminds me a little of early Scofield trio stuff.

[David J. Littleboy]

"John A." wrote in message
news:dec3de5c-6f16-4e8e...@googlegroups.com...

Ditto on this. The intensity on the second one is impressive: is that a
synth there, or just an insanely precise sax player*? (Ah; at 1:20, the sax
solo is more sax-like; but that melody statement is intense.) The sax
playing on the first is lovely, in all the good senses of "lovely". On the
first one, from the head until the guitar solo, I thought the sax a bit too
high in the mix. But just a bit.

*: OK, listening again on monitor quality headphones, it's maybe less synth
like.

Whatever, John's "the caliber and sophistication of both the performance and
the composition, are top shelf." is exactly right. (Thanks, John, for doing
my homework!)

-- David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

[Joey Goldstein]

If everybody could try to just ignore the mixes for now it'd be good.

I just posted these mp3s to give folks a taste of what I've been doing.

I'm hoping the whole project will be finished and mixed by the end of
the month.

Thanks again for all the positive comments.

[Rick]

"Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:a85a2$50f09856$adcef45c$82...@PRIMUS.CA...

Very awesome. Thanks for posting. I hope I can get to that level some day.

Rixk

[Bill Williams]

Both sound terrific through headphones. I think the delay on the guitar in Thanks Charlie works very well - at times subtle echoes, while other times interesting note overlap.

[TD]

Within your personal improvising concept, it sounds like you are Slonimsky influenced. What say you?

[charlieguitar]

Nice job! Once it is out you should post the charts as this is some very tricky sounding material which would be worthy of study. The second tune which I assume is a tribute to me........nah, Good luck!
Charlie

[Joey Goldstein]

Hi TD.
Well, I've got the book and have worked on it sporadically over the years.
But most of my stuff is based on chord-scales still, I'm sad to say.
But this current project is filled with the stuff I was studying with
Charlie Banacos, thus the tune "Thanks Charlie".
His stuff is all based on, IMO, permutation theory, which he may have
gleaned himself from Slonimsky or possibly Schillinger.
Still, the CB stuff I've learned can be seen as involving patterns based
on subsets of the various chord-scales.
Some of the CB stuff doesn't parse that way, but most of it does, IMO.

[Joey Goldstein]

OK.
Here's another one.

<http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12104524>

[Joey Goldstein]

Last one for now.
(I really shouldn't be doing this at all.)

<http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12104653>

[ott...@hotmail.com]

On Saturday, 12 January 2013 12:24:38 UTC-8, Joey Goldstein wrote:
> OK. Here's another one. <http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12104524> -- Joey Goldstein <http://www.joeygoldstein.com> <http://home.primus.ca/~joegold/AudioClips/audio.htm>

That's another Goodie, thanks
Bg

[David J. Littleboy]

"Joey Goldstein" wrote in message
news:34806$50f1e0c2$adcef45c$21...@PRIMUS.CA...

Last one for now.
(I really shouldn't be doing this at all.)
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

These all sound great. The sax player's amazing. But, again, I’d prefer a
slightly more even balance with the rest of the group when the sax is the
lead voice. Also the guitar can maybe be just a tad louder when you are
doubling lines with the sax player: this is your gig, right? The balance is
good when the guitar is soloing.

[Joey Goldstein]

On 1/12/13 9:15 PM, David J. Littleboy wrote:
> "Joey Goldstein" wrote in message
> news:34806$50f1e0c2$adcef45c$21...@PRIMUS.CA...
>
> Last one for now.
> (I really shouldn't be doing this at all.)
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>

> These all sound great. The sax player's amazing. But, again, I�d prefer

> a slightly more even balance with the rest of the group when the sax is
> the lead voice. Also the guitar can maybe be just a tad louder when you
> are doubling lines with the sax player: this is your gig, right? The
> balance is good when the guitar is soloing.
>
> -- David J. Littleboy
> Tokyo, Japan
>
>

Thanks very much David.
But....
Again.... These are just rough mixes to show what the tunes sound like.
Please no more comments about the mixes.

[Paul K]

On 1/12/13 5:16 PM, Joey Goldstein wrote:
> Last one for now.
> (I really shouldn't be doing this at all.)
>
> <http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12104653>
>
>

I like the vibe on this one a lot. It sounds like 5 over 4 some of the
time on the head. I've worked on that a bit recently but find it hard to
do evenly. On your solo you and the drums change the time signature a
couple times. Was that written or spontanous? I didnt count to see if it
lines back up. Nice, in any case.

[rpjazzguitar]

Comping was interesting on the "hair" tune because of the time.

On "nocturnal" the guitar comping was interfering with the horn solo. It was as if neither player was listening to the other.

[charlieguitar]

On Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:12:03 PM UTC-5, rpjazzguitar wrote:
> Comping was interesting on the "hair" tune because of the time.
>
>
>
> On "nocturnal" the guitar comping was interfering with the horn solo. It was as if neither player was listening to the other.

Nocternal sounded ok to me. The changes,unless I'm not hearing it right, are based on the tune "Eternal Triangle" and both players are in there to my ears.There may have been a few places where the sax was in there slightly early on a change but I chalked that up to anticipation.
Charlie

[Joey Goldstein]

On 1/12/13 11:12 PM, rpjazzguitar wrote:
> Comping was interesting on the "hair" tune because of the time.
>
> On "nocturnal" the guitar comping was interfering with the horn solo. It was as if neither player was listening to the other.
>

The comping won't be that loud in the final mix.
And IMO there is quite a bit of interplay between us in that solo.

[Joey Goldstein]

OK. I've taken all the files down.
Just a little taste of what I've been doing lately.
It should be mixed by the end of the month and out for release sometime
after that.
Thanks for all the positive comments.

[Gerry]

On 2013-01-13 15:12:53 +0000, Joey Goldstein said:

> It should be mixed by the end of the month and out for release sometime
> after that.

Looking forward to it.
--
Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden

[Joey Goldstein]

On 1/12/13 10:10 PM, Paul K wrote:
> On 1/12/13 5:16 PM, Joey Goldstein wrote:
>> Last one for now.
>> (I really shouldn't be doing this at all.)
>>
>> <http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=65238&songID=12104653>
>>
>>
>>
> I like the vibe on this one a lot.

Thanks Paul.

>It sounds like 5 over 4 some of the
> time on the head.

The A sections involve a 5-over-4 bar alternating with a 4-over-5 bar.

Somehow Vito and I had a communication breakdown on the drums intro.
He played 4 on the hi-hat during the 5/4 bars and it was supposed to be
the 4-over-5 figure.
I was so stressed out during the sessions that I didn't even notice that
until I'd gotten home.
But what he did play still sounds pretty damn good to me.
[Likewise, there was a beat added during the bass solo on another tune
that's in 5/4 that we all didn't notice until the session were over.
Luckily Protools allowed us to delete the errant beat and it sounds
perfectly natural.
BTW
The 5/4 tune is called "Nor Wood i" and is my own line based on a reharm
of Norwegian Wood by the Beatles.]

>I've worked on that a bit recently but find it hard to
> do evenly.

Well if you listen closely, we're not all that even. lol
It sounds cool when my computer plays it perfectly via MIDI, but I had
to play with those damn humans!

>On your solo you and the drums change the time signature a
> couple times. Was that written or spontanous? I didnt count to see if it
> lines back up.

The blowing is all in 4/4 (there's a 5-bar phrase or two in there)
except for 4 bars of 5 in the middle.
The tune is called "Fives" after all.
Vito came up with those 5/8 over 5/4 figures during the 5/4 sections of
the blowing in rehearsals, and we just kept playing it that way.
Sadly, I had to work out and punch in my solo lines during those sections.

Sadly, there's a whole lot of punching in that I've had to do on all but
a few of the tunes just to get guitar tracks that won't really bother me
for the rest of my life.
As a matter of fact, I'll probably wind up redoing everything I played
in the studio that day.
But I may keep a few things I did off the floor.
I really wish I'd been playing a lot stronger on these tunes when the
rhythm section was with me in the studio, but I had a lot of other stuff
on my mind over those 2 days and was not in top playing form.

But boy, these digital audio workstations sure make it easier to do this
type of stuff now than it used to be back in 1993 when I did my last album.
I'm doing all the rest of my remedial tracking now at home with my
Axe-FX II and Logic Pro on my iMac.

>Nice, in any case.

Thanks again!

[Paul K]

On 1/13/13 10:12 AM, Joey Goldstein wrote:
> OK. I've taken all the files down.
> Just a little taste of what I've been doing lately.
> It should be mixed by the end of the month and out for release sometime
> after that.
> Thanks for all the positive comments.
>

it's good stuff joey. congratulations, I know its a lot of work and
stress to write/arrange music, and then to put it out there. especially
when your standards are high.

[Mark Kleinhaut]

Hey, no fair, they were gone before I got to this!!!

[John A.]

On Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:49:01 PM UTC-5, Joey Goldstein wrote:

>
> Sadly, there's a whole lot of punching in that I've had to do on all but
>
> a few of the tunes just to get guitar tracks that won't really bother me
>
> for the rest of my life.
>
> As a matter of fact, I'll probably wind up redoing everything I played
>
> in the studio that day.

What you gain in precision (maybe), you potentially lose in vibe and interactivity. Jazz is a live form, after all. It might be worth letting it rest for a while and seeing what you think after some time/perspective. Given the non-destructive nature of DAWs, you don't lose anything but your time, but the search for the perfect part can get out of hand, and sometimes you come back to something after 20 takes and realize you liked the first one best.

> But I may keep a few things I did off the floor.
>

> I really wish I'd been playing a lot stronger on these tunes when the ...

We are often our own harshest judge.

>
> But boy, these digital audio workstations sure make it easier to do this
>
> type of stuff now than it used to be back in 1993 when I did my last album.

As Monk (Adrian, not Thelonius) would say, it's a gift; it's a curse.

> I'm doing all the rest of my remedial tracking now at home with my
>
> Axe-FX II and Logic Pro on my iMac.

OK, just make sure that you find at least one spot in a track where you try the same punch at least 50 times. You need to get your money's worth.


John

[Joey Goldstein]

On 1/14/13 12:21 PM, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:
> Hey, no fair, they were gone before I got to this!!!
>

lol
Gotta be fast around here.
I may put something up again prior to mixing and/or releasing.
Maybe next time.