Seymour Duncan 59 or Gibson 57 Classic
JimKroger
in the neck position of my Dot 335 Epiphone. Does anybody have or know
of a good recording of either/both?
Thanks,
Jim
Mr Maj6th
wrote:
I'm sure you probably know, but in case you don't; S. Duncan has sound
clips of most pickups on their website.
Maj6th
JimKroger
Thanks Maj6th. The style they play and the tone settings are so
different from what I do that I don't feel I can judge from those
clips what my sound would be like, though you can tell one is brighter
than another, etc.
Thanks much for the pointer but I have visited there.
Jim
JimKroger
I've been reading around and it seems the pickups in the dot are
copies of the 57 Classics. Anybody actually know if it would help the
sound to drop some Gibson 57 classics in?
Thanks again,
Jim
Great White Buffalo
Jim,
I've been around the block with those Epi 335's, inc the Elitist
version as well as other Epi archtops as well as Gibbie 335's and
other Gibbie archtops.
For warmer jazz tones, the SD 59 is much better... and better for rock
as well. For blues? Maybe the Gibbie '57 has a a slight "edge" (meant
in more than one way) over the SD's, but I like the 59's better
generally speaking.
The 57's sound best in an ES-175, imo. Don't know why, but I like 'em
in a 175, but not as much as 59's in any other archtop. Might have to
do with the neck pickup placement on a 175, but you'd think they'd
sound worse not better moved farther from the neck like they are on a
175.
Greg
Nate Najar
not to make things more confusing..... but..... check out the suhr
ssv. a very good sounding paf type pickup. it's a vintage (low)
output with a ton of clarity but fatness and warmth at the same time.
N
Daniel Martin
they do a "Stormy Monday" pickup which is a really close replica of
the worshipped '59 PAF's in the golden era of Gibson.
Worth a peek anyways.
Tim McNamara
<db6add1d-e7a8-4f25...@u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
JimKroger <jkk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 11:56 pm, Mr Maj6th <maj...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:49:45 -0800 (PST), JimKroger
> > <jkk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I'm thinking about putting a S-Duncan 59 or Gibson 57 Classic
> > >pickup in the neck position of my Dot 335 Epiphone. Does anybody
> > >have or know of a good recording of either/both?
> >
> > I'm sure you probably know, but in case you don't; S. Duncan has
> > sound clips of most pickups on their website.
>
> Thanks Maj6th. The style they play and the tone settings are so
> different from what I do that I don't feel I can judge from those
> clips what my sound would be like, though you can tell one is
> brighter than another, etc.
This is true for sound sample clips for guitars and pickups generally.
Since the majority of pickup and guitar customers play rock, the amp
settings and musical styles used in demos almost always reflect the
interests of that market. Demos on YouTube are frequently poorly
recorded and next to useless (with a few exceptions).
Jim Soloway is a standout exception and puts up sound clips that are of
interest to jazz musicians, although his clips naturally tend to
emphasize his products.
Jack Zucker also posts a lot of clips of different types of gear; maybe
you could talk him into a comparison, if he's got guitars with those
pickups.
There are a few videos with the Classic '57 in a jazz vein; I couldn't
find any SD 59 videos with jazz being played (which may tell you
something about that pickup):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8qbwbr6neQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp1F47teN-8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_eZAaPortg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxLq2i1ugQ
I have a Classic '57 in one guitar, a Frankenstrat. That pickup is one
LOUD mother. The only other pickups I have that are that loud are the
ones on my GB10. It's much louder than the Kent Armstrong floating PAF
I have, even though the rated output is supposed to be about the same
(8K Ohms for the KA according to www.archtop.com, versus a measured 7.8K
for the '57 according to the guy I bought it from).
--
Gotta make it somehow on the dreams you still believe.
Paul Hotchkiss
I put a Duncan '59 into an Ibanez artstar a few years back, and it
really sounded GREAT! Can't go wrong with that pickup. In fact, I
think you have 2 really good options here and you'll sound good either
way. I've since replaced my Ibanez with an epi dot studio for almost
no $$$ (got it for $150 NEW) , and that one now has the Duncan "Jazz/
JB Hot Rod set"installed, with the Duncan Jazz in the neck. It also
sounds really good (esp. for a super cheap korean guitar). But, I
think the '59 is better for Jazz. The "Jazz" model is a similar tone,
but maybe a little more modern, if that makes any sense? The '59
really nails classic HB tone.
My 2 cents.
sheetsofsound
> On Dec 15, 1:49 am, JimKroger <jkk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking about putting a S-Duncan 59 or Gibson 57 Classic pickup
> > in the neck position of my Dot 335 Epiphone. Does anybody have or know
> > of a good recording of either/both?
> > Thanks,
> > Jim
>
> Jim,
>
> I've been around the block with those Epi 335's, inc the Elitist
> version as well as other Epi archtops as well as Gibbie 335's and
> other Gibbie archtops.
>
> For warmer jazz tones, the SD 59 is much better... and better for rock
> as well. For blues? Maybe the Gibbie '57 has a a slight "edge" (meant
> in more than one way) over the SD's, but I like the 59's better
> generally speaking.
Disagree. Classic 57 is the defacto standard for those tones. The
duncan is muddy by comparison. The 57 is clear and warm with a hint of
brightness in the attack ... Just like the originals.
ScotGormley
>
> - Show quoted text -
What do you guys think about the Duncan Seth Lover in comparison to
the 57? My G&L Bluesboy (chambered with a bound ebony fingerboard) has
a Seth Lover, and it sounds great to me, but I've never tried a 57 in
that guitar for comparison. I also have some Fralin PAFs that I have
not yet installed in a guitar, but I'm really looking forward to
checking them out. I did install 57s in a Steve Morse Music Man
guitar--and what a difference THAT made, in comparison to the stock
DiMarzios, which were hotter and ceramic.
Mitch
I lean towards the Gibson 57. It sounds more batural to me.(I
recommend lowering it away from the strings to five it a bit more
"plunk." in the articulation).
Mitch).
sheetsofsound
don't like the seth lover. It sounds dull to me.
sheetsofsound
never liked the fralins much either. Lollar is the best boutique
pickup I have tried. The dimarzio 36th anniversary sounds great too as
do most of their newer pickups.
Derek
There is a reason it has been so popular for so long.
I have used an SD59 many times, and like it fine for rock.
Paul Hotchkiss
>
> - Show quoted text -
I had Seth Lover Bridge Pickup, it was amazing. I've herad the neck
version is equally awesome. I don't know why you'd want to change
anything if your guitar already has a Seth Lover.
Great White Buffalo
Our opinions differ as do our tastes in tone (but only slightly). Your
opinion is certainly more considered than mine, so I respectfully
disagree. I find the '57 classic articulate, but at a price of being a
little too bright in applications other than something like the 175. I
prefer a *slightly* warmer, darker tone and have found the 59's supply
that better, especially in brands other than Gibson. That said, I
liked my ex-ES335 and ES135 with 59's more than with the 57's.
So what I find slightly warmer and darker, you may find less
articulate, perhaps even slightly "muddy".
Hope all is well with you and your family, Jack. I've got a new
grandchild delivered last week - just in time for Christmas; my first,
too.
Greg
sheetsofsound
I *do* like a little more of the bensony chirp which is what the '57s
give you.
>
> Hope all is well with you and your family, Jack. I've got a new
> grandchild delivered last week - just in time for Christmas; my first,
> too.
Wow, that's fantastic. I just had a new niece a few weeks ago. Looks
like a lot of folks were busy last March! ;)
Happy holidays to you too.
Jack
Chickenhead
I'd recommend checking out the Duncan Seth Lover. I vastly prefer it to the
Duncan '59.
"Nate Najar" <na...@natenajar.com> wrote in message
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sheetsofsound
<kuNOrtSPAMshapTHANK...@YOUhoVERYtmail.MUCHcom> wrote:
> And just to throw some more gas on this fire . . .
>
> I'd recommend checking out the Duncan Seth Lover. I vastly prefer it to the
> Duncan '59.
>
>
> news:60de3bb7-f1d8-4600...@y19g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 15, 1:49 am, JimKroger <jkk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm thinking about putting a S-Duncan 59 or Gibson 57 Classic pickup
> >> in the neck position of my Dot 335 Epiphone. Does anybody have or know
> >> of a good recording of either/both?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jim
>
> > not to make things more confusing..... but..... check out the suhr
> > ssv. a very good sounding paf type pickup. it's a vintage (low)
> > output with a ton of clarity but fatness and warmth at the same time.
>
> > N
my take was the seth lover sounds good in the basement but is dark for
playing live.