$240.00 Cable?! Anybody tried these?
Jeff Richards
I just went out and heard Art Johnson's Django Tribute band (it was
great) and Art introduced me to a guy who is marketing a new cable. It
is thicker than my thumb but light weight. It is unidirectional. In
other words there is an end that has to go in your guitar and the
other goes in you amp. It was derived from the Satalite business.
Has anyone tried these?
What could a cable possible be made out of to make it worth $240.00?
I personally have not had the opportunity to try one yet. I suppose it
could be worth every penny. I was told it would make a noticlble
differece. I am using George's L and a Monster Cable "Jazz: Right now.
I'm just having a hard time getting my mind wrapped around that number
for a cable. I value yor opinion!!!
Best Regards,
Jeff
ple...@nospam.us
It could be made of silver. Or better yet, gold. I recently
tried a very expensive cable made of silver and it made a
definitely audible difference - there is no question in my mind.
I don't own such a cable myself. I've auditioned many cables
and there are definite differences even though I'm not what
you'd call a "Golden Ear." I've chosen to use what I think are
the best of the relatively inexpensive cables, but your opinions
may well differ from mine.
The expensive cables are worthwhile if 1)you can hear the
difference, 2)you find the difference to be euphonic and 3)you
can afford the cable. I have to say that I've spent a little
time thinking about how to arrange 3) because 1) and 2) were
there for me.
Al Sato
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Pete Kerezman
buys a whole lot of ProCo's from Parts Express.
Texas Pete
Kevin Van Sant
Richards) wrote in message
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>Hi Everyone,
>
>I just went out and heard Art Johnson's Django Tribute band (it was
>great) and Art introduced me to a guy who is marketing a new cable. It
>is thicker than my thumb but light weight. It is unidirectional. In
>other words there is an end that has to go in your guitar and the
>other goes in you amp. It was derived from the Satalite business.
I don't quite understand the concept of a cable being uni-directional,
but since you say you use Monster Jazz cables, have you noticed that
printed on the cable are arrows and words indicating the "proper"
direction for signal flow? I can't hear any difference if it's
plugged in backwards. Really, it seems like a joke... me: "hey,
there's no sound coming from my amp" you: "maybe your cable's
plugged in backwards"
Hey, on the subject of Monster cables. I got one from a dealer off
ebay a couple of years ago for $20 and I was surprised to actually
hear a noticeable difference from the generic cables I had been using.
Sometime last year that cable went out on me, or started humming
loudly... whatever it was I cut off a little from one end and
re-soldered the plug. It never was quite the same after that, always
had a little bit of a grounding issue, and it seemed to have lost some
of it's mojo. So yesterday I was killing time in Raleigh between a
couple of gigs and thought I'd drop in on the relatively new Guitar
Center (never been before). I noticed they were Monster dealers so I
asked about the lifetime warrantee. The upshot was that even though I
had bought my cable elsewhere for less than half of the usual price,
had no receipt, and had tampered with the cable (re-soldered), they
let me exchange it for a brand new one free of charge. Not bad.
_________________________________________
Kevin Van Sant
jazz guitar
http://www.kevinvansant.com
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Tim Berens
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I just went out and heard Art Johnson's Django Tribute band (it was
>great) and Art introduced me to a guy who is marketing a new cable. It
>is thicker than my thumb but light weight. It is unidirectional. In
>other words there is an end that has to go in your guitar and the
>other goes in you amp. It was derived from the Satalite business.
>
>Has anyone tried these?
>What could a cable possible be made out of to make it worth $240.00?
>
What makes them worth $240.00 is the people with more money than they
need who will buy them. I guarantee you it won't be working
musicians.
Makes me think I should make a $400.00 cable. After all, a $400.00
cable is $160.00 better than a $240.00 cable. Somebody would buy it.
Tim
http://timberens.com
A Website for Guitarists
Learn something...Have some fun
IvanDRodriguez
cable is $160.00 better than a $240.00 cable. Somebody would buy it.
Tim >
If you autograph it...it's a deal...:) Umm..woudja take pop bottles?
Ivan
Bill Ribas
have a field day . .
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Jay Carlson
"Tim Berens" <ti...@erinet.com> wrote in message
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If it sounded better I might buy it :)
Then again, if you made a $400 cable, then the $240 cable would become a
bargain!
Different cables make an audible difference. Granted, it's not as important
as the instrument, or amp, but I for one will not go back to the old $15
cords I was using from low end music stores. The $50 I spent on the Klotz
was well worth it. Much better sounding.
Now, to take things further.... In my stereo, I've got some good speaker
wires, several hundred dollars worth. They made a very noticible
improvement over what I had before. I have a friend who about a year ago
lent me his Monster Sigma speaker cables, (solid silver etc.), They sounded
even better, actually, they were the best I've heard. But they're over
2,000 a set. I'm not going that far down the diminishing returns road..
(also I think it's important to keep a certain sane ratio between the cost
of wire compared to the cost of the more important, the other components of
the system.)
Don't ask me why, but power cords make a difference too. It's worth
getting a good one.
I realize some people think this is crazy. I don't want to start arguments
about this topic, because it's hard (impossible) to objectively measure what
we hear.
Jay
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
Jurupari
>buys a whole lot of ProCo's from Parts Express.
then you probabably wouldn't be interested in my 'retro vintage' cables, which
are exact duplicates of $15 cables from Mars Music. They even sound exactly the
same!
Of course it took a great deal of engineering sophistication to bring you this
authentic 'retro' sound, but it can be yours for only $425 for a fifteen foot
cable.
Great with your retro Ross compressor and your line 6 retro 'Fender Super
Broken Reverb with a fried 6L6, a loud buzz and a Monkey Wards recone' sound
Mr. Haney
Amostagain
$1999.95
Kevin Van Sant
message <20030213121252...@mb-cm.aol.com> :
>You could always try this 20 ft. pro instrument cable.Uh huh
>
>$1999.95
Dude, that's all I use anymore. (My AmpCan never sounded better)
Ron
These'll be all the rage for guitar "tone" guys.
No keyboard player will ever buy one to patch his DX7 to his PA, though.
I'll take the $240 and buy some lessons...
My $.02
Ron
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>
It's that dynamite Kent guitar that's doin' it - probably the Kryptonite
sunburst helps.
paul
wrote:
>
>Different cables make an audible difference.
very true, but there are lots of things that make an audible
difference that don't cost 250 bucks. who knows, though, it might be
worth it.
jay, would you say your cable improves your sound across the board, or
does it depend on the setting/amp/etc?
--paul
Stan Gosnell
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just went out and heard Art Johnson's Django Tribute band (it was
> great) and Art introduced me to a guy who is marketing a new cable. It
> is thicker than my thumb but light weight. It is unidirectional. In
> other words there is an end that has to go in your guitar and the
> other goes in you amp. It was derived from the Satalite business.
>
> Has anyone tried these?
> What could a cable possible be made out of to make it worth $240.00?
Last night, a friend was surfing the net, looking at speaker cable for
audio systems. I saw a pair for $2400. 100% silver. $2400. The run-of-
the-mill cables were *only* $900. Only fools would pay that. Same for a
$240 guitar cable.
--
Regards,
Stan
W. Jackson
but I'd love the hear the pitch on what exactly this cable does and how.
I build and use all sorts of cables at my job (television broadcast) and you
can thumb through several electronic supply catalogs and study every variety
of cable out there. There are lots of more critical applications for cabling
then we require for getting between guitar and amp and pretty much all of
them can be solved for less than $5 a foot. Not the least of which would be
mic cable for voice applications, particularly with something like a dynamic
ribbon mic. I think you might find something like Monster cable for speaker
wiring in some high end recording studios but every studio I have been in
just uses good quality canare or mogami for mic and instrument cabling.
Now if you want to talk about technology applied to signal transfer. . .I
think we can expect to see guitar electronics packages with onboard A to D
converters and either USB or firewire out. That will solve a lot of issues,
of course you will need an amp that has a firewire or USB in.
"Jeff Richards" <jeffri...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Tom Lippincott
>
>Then again, if you made a $400 cable, then the $240 cable would become a
>bargain!
>
>Different cables make an audible difference. Granted, it's not as important
>as the instrument, or amp, but I for one will not go back to the old $15
>cords I was using from low end music stores. The $50 I spent on the Klotz
>was well worth it. Much better sounding.
> Now, to take things further.... In my stereo, I've got some good speaker
>wires, several hundred dollars worth. They made a very noticible
>improvement over what I had before. I have a friend who about a year ago
>lent me his Monster Sigma speaker cables, (solid silver etc.), They sounded
>even better, actually, they were the best I've heard. But they're over
>2,000 a set. I'm not going that far down the diminishing returns road..
>(also I think it's important to keep a certain sane ratio between the cost
>of wire compared to the cost of the more important, the other components of
>the system.)
> Don't ask me why, but power cords make a difference too. It's worth
>getting a good one.
>I realize some people think this is crazy. I don't want to start arguments
>about this topic, because it's hard (impossible) to objectively measure what
>we hear.
>
>Jay
>http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
Though I've been a long time died-in-the-wool bargain basement cable guy, I
recently bought a George L's at Mars' going out of business sale (not that I
saved much) just to see what all the hype was about. I kind of sort of maybe
almost can hear a difference if I squint sideways and stand on one foot, but I
don't necessarily think it's clearly a difference for the better. I can't
believe this whole thing is all in peoples' minds but at the same time I think
it's probably an acquired thing to clearly be able to hear the difference. I'd
rather keep my beer and pizza ear for cables and save the $$. I really don't
think anyone else, musician or non musician can tell the difference, so as long
as I can't either I remain blissfully ignorant.
Tom Lippincott
Guitarist, Composer, Teacher
audio samples, articles, CD's at:
http://www.tomlippincott.com
Kevin Van Sant
wrote in message <20030213162017...@mb-ma.aol.com> :
>
>Though I've been a long time died-in-the-wool bargain basement cable guy, I
>recently bought a George L's at Mars' going out of business sale (not that I
>saved much) just to see what all the hype was about. I kind of sort of maybe
>almost can hear a difference if I squint sideways and stand on one foot, but I
>don't necessarily think it's clearly a difference for the better. I can't
>believe this whole thing is all in peoples' minds but at the same time I think
>it's probably an acquired thing to clearly be able to hear the difference. I'd
>rather keep my beer and pizza ear for cables and save the $$. I really don't
>think anyone else, musician or non musician can tell the difference, so as long
>as I can't either I remain blissfully ignorant.
>
What kind of guitar were you plugging through it Tom? I would imagine
that the more inherent character in the guitar itself, the more you
would notice a difference.
There is so much subtlety and nuance to sound from a nice
acoustic/electric guitar it's not hard to believe that the cable can
affect that signal. I believe it because I can plainly hear it.
I'm guessing that the effect of high end cables will be more audible
with a carved top over a laminate, or any kind of hollow/acoustic box
over a solid body.
thomas
> I am psychologically incapable of using a $240 guitar cable. $240
> buys a whole lot of ProCo's from Parts Express.
I've got guitars that aren't worth $240. Ones that play and
sound pretty decent, too.
Stan Fong
these cables.
Cables do make a difference. But not $240 worth IMO. If it were rated
by Consumers Reports it would definately not be a "Best Buy". I'd
think you be better off with a Klotz or a George L. The Klotz has a
little more highs than the George L. The results of the change in
sound also depends on your pickup and amp set up. Best thing to do is
try it out yourself with your own gear.
Stan Fong
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Paul Pieper
game. Yuck, I'll pass.
Paul Pieper
scratch
tennis balls come in.
I know its frightening as hell to some of you but. . .all that tone wood,
all that technique all gets turned in voltage!
Voltage is measurable, very measurable. Show me the measurements?
"Paul Pieper" <ppi...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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Dave Stephens
For the JJG comparison of speaker cables and instrument cables I
reviewed a guitar cable by Requisite Audio called "The New Cable".
It's black and about as thick as a garden hose, with a cost over $200.
I think that's what you're talking about.
It's a very fine cable indeed, but I prefer the Klotz LaGrand, which
sounds better and cost considerbly less. Both "The New Cable" and the
Klotz are better than the Monster by a long shot. The "best buy" was
the George L's, which I prefer to Monster at much less cost.
Legato Guitars and Jeff Hale Music carry the Klotz.
Dave
Frank McCrea
Regards, Frank
"Stan Gosnell" <sgos...@autorotate.org> wrote in message
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Peter Grey
I couldn't hear the difference between the Klotz and the GeorgeLs but
absolutely could between the GeorgeLs and the POS cables I was buying from
Guitar Center. I'll bet one's guitar and prefered tone plays a role here
as I like a darker warmer tone and don't really care if a cable gives me
more high end because I dial much of it out anyway.
Keep in mind the snooty audio guys use speaker interconnect that costs
$1500 a yard! Makes $240 for a guitar cable seem preety cheap in
comparison.
Peter
Jay Carlson
"paul" <pcsa...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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I don't know. I've only been using it with my Holst archtop through the
Clarus/RE8 & 12. It lets a more natural sound through. My cheapie cables
sound dull,muddy in comparison, with more of a low mid bump, and rolled off
on top. I hear the Klotz as a more open, natural sound. Definitely more
highs come through- not extra highs, just natural highs, and isn't that what
we're all looking for, natural highs?.. For the un adulterated archtop
sound, I still lean towards the dark side of things, with flat strings and
no tweeter, but the Klotz through the Clarus with EQs straight up is the
shit. That said, I would be very hesitant to spend more than the $50 I
spent on a guitar cable, $240 is a little much IMO.
I haven't tried the cable on my Ibanez solid electric. For that guitar
I go through stereo chorus and stereo reverb, so I think the cables wouldn't
be as important to the sound. But my archtop is a different thing- always
going for Natural with a capital N. Then again, at home (since I've been
leaving the gig equipment in my car), with my Peavey Classic 30, I kinda
like the sound of the cheap cables into it, it has an 'old' sound..
Life is complicated,
Jay
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
Jay Carlson
Joe Finn
> I've got guitars that aren't worth $240. Ones that play and
> sound pretty decent, too.
Same here. I also have a dresser full of cables of every description: AC,
data, audio, speaker, midi, headphone extensions, phone cable, co-ax, fiber
optic, usb, video and a bushel basket full of wall warts. The adapters fill
four shoe boxes and the snakes won't fit in the dresser. The whole mess
isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. Resale value is almost zero. In addition
to the experience of having worked as a musician [amplified guitar] in every
conceivable setting and situation, I've also wired studios and lots of live
remotes. I'm here to tell you the old saw holds true: whatever wire is on
hand will be about six inches short for the given application. 8-)
Have you guys seen the cable that connects the tour bus ac?
I'll bet that's worth more than $240! ..........joe
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not only do you worry about dropping another 240 on a new one (since you
might need a spare while the warranty claim goes in), but mentally, you
might be a wreck, worrying that the three peopl in the club that might be
able to hear the difference might now walk out - "sure, he had the chops,
but those highs just rolled off .. ."
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Jay Carlson
> What kind of guitar were you plugging through it Tom? I would imagine
> that the more inherent character in the guitar itself, the more you
> would notice a difference.
>
> There is so much subtlety and nuance to sound from a nice
> acoustic/electric guitar it's not hard to believe that the cable can
> affect that signal. I believe it because I can plainly hear it.
>
> I'm guessing that the effect of high end cables will be more audible
> with a carved top over a laminate, or any kind of hollow/acoustic box
> over a solid body.
>
>
> _________________________________________
> Kevin Van Sant
> jazz guitar
I agree. I think it would be less audible with a solid body.
It's also true that there are products that are priced in the silly range,
maybe marginally better (maybe not), maybe just looking cool and marketed
well, that appeal to folks with money who have to have "the best" as they
percieve it. I consider the Klotz & George L's to be fair priced and worth
it. I like the Monster guitar cable too- I agree with Dave S's opinion, to
me it sounded dark, but focussed (whatever the hell that means but that's
the way I heard it), a nice cable. But the Klotz has the most open sound.
that's with my archtop straight into the Clarus, which makes the differences
obvious.
Jay
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
Amostagain
>> I've got guitars that aren't worth $240. Ones that play and
>> sound pretty decent, too.
>
>Same here. I also have a dresser full of cables of every description: AC,
>data, audio, speaker, midi, headphone extensions, phone cable, co-ax, fiber
>optic, usb, video and a bushel basket full of wall warts. The adapters fill
>four shoe boxes and the snakes won't fit in the dresser. The whole mess
>isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. Resale value is almost zero. In addition
>to the experience of having worked as a musician [amplified guitar] in every
>conceivable setting and situation, I've also wired studios and lots of live
>remotes. I'm here to tell you the old saw holds true: whatever wire is on
>hand will be about six inches short for the given application. 8-)
>
>Have you guys seen the cable that connects the tour bus ac?
Yeah well it ain't good enough.........because every one of those AC units
breaks down...............not usually until Arizona in summer though.
Joe Finn
> Though I've been a long time died-in-the-wool bargain basement cable guy,
I
> recently bought a George L's at Mars' going out of business sale (not that
I
> saved much) just to see what all the hype was about. I kind of sort of
maybe
> almost can hear a difference if I squint sideways and stand on one foot,
but I
> don't necessarily think it's clearly a difference for the better. I can't
> believe this whole thing is all in peoples' minds but at the same time I
think
> it's probably an acquired thing to clearly be able to hear the difference.
I'd
> rather keep my beer and pizza ear for cables and save the $$. I really
don't
> think anyone else, musician or non musician can tell the difference, so as
long
> as I can't either I remain blissfully ignorant.
My buddy just put a big addition on his house. He sprung for a sooper-dooper
JBL surround sound system wired up with $400 worth of monster cable. What a
hoot!
It does nevertheless "sound good".
These custom installation guys go a little nuts as we know. Beware the
"audiophile surcharge". The markup on the wire is pretty heavy. And the
sales pitch rules.
No matter what W.C. Fields says, I say a wire's a wire. .....joe
Jay Carlson
Hi Stan,
It's true that the curve of diminishing returns goes up sharply when you get
into high end audio. We all need to find a comfortable spot within our own
individual budget considerations, and in relation to our other gear we
already own. $900 speaker cables are absurd for someone with a 1- 5
thousand dollar stereo system. Maybe $900 speaker cables are absurd no
matter what, but personally, I'm willing to pay a few hunderd bucks for
cables that make a difference, and put the musical event closer to me, or
put me closer to the musical event as it was when it happened. High end
audio has come a long way just in the past ten years. The experience of
listening to a truly great system is something that some people think is
worth the money. There is equipment out there that puts a 3D recreation of
the event- the musicians, located rock-solidly in the room/venue, the
sights, the sounds, the smells ( I recently watched Spinal Tap:) .. But
really, it's captivating, and addicting, and worth it to some music lovers.
Jay
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
Richard Bornman
"Joe Finn" <J...@joefinn.net> wrote :
> No matter what W.C. Fields says, I say a wire's a wire. .....joe
I agree Joe,
plus some of the greatest jazz gtr tone ever committed
to tape was thru garden variety cables.
I guarantee that Wes and Benson were NOT using $200 gtr cords
when they tracked Caravan and Billies Bounce!!!
Richard
Jay Carlson
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True. Too bad too. (ducking).
" best jazz guitar tones ever comitted to "TAPE"? So why did they switch
from tape??
isn't it irrelevant? I love film noir, but now we have the peacock in
'living color'.. Nobody's dissing B&W.
Why not keep your black & white TV? The color ones are more expensive..
I love to listen to classic performances recorded (inferiorly) decades
ago, great stuff. Some of my favorite music was played on "inferior" horns,
or recorded with 'state of the art' stuff that is far from state of the art
today.
why did sax players switch to Conn M's & Selmer 6's when they came out?
Because they sounded better. (And they also hapened to cost more). I have
a Bach Strad. model 37 medium bore trumpet, and it sounds better and cost
more than my student model horn. Don't we all want to have the best stuff
we can afford? Aren't there discoveries and technological improvements over
time? If someone came out with a better trumpet, wouldn't players want it?
And it would probably cost more... And it would not lessen the beauty or
importance of Art Farmer or Fats Navarro in the least. I understand the
frugality and practicality component in this cable debate- it's a
responsible, quite reasonable, and mature consideration, but it's not the
whole picture,- it's not like the other side of this argument is irrational
as some make it seem. I submit that you're promoting or implying a
misleading false dichotomy.
Jay
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
Tim Berens
>
>Though I've been a long time died-in-the-wool bargain basement cable guy, I
>recently bought a George L's at Mars' going out of business sale (not that I
>saved much) just to see what all the hype was about. I kind of sort of maybe
>almost can hear a difference if I squint sideways and stand on one foot, but I
>don't necessarily think it's clearly a difference for the better. I can't
>believe this whole thing is all in peoples' minds but at the same time I think
>it's probably an acquired thing to clearly be able to hear the difference. I'd
>rather keep my beer and pizza ear for cables and save the $$. I really don't
>think anyone else, musician or non musician can tell the difference, so as long
>as I can't either I remain blissfully ignorant.
>
I was blissfully ignorant tonight too as I listened one of the finest
guitarists I've ever heard...a fellow named Kenny Poole. I hope you
all get a chance to hear him someday.
After the gig I was talking with him as he packed his gear up, and
noticed his cable...a $5.00 special. It made no difference at all to
the beauty of what we had all just heard.
And you should have seen him laugh when I mentioned that I had read
about a $240.00 cable on the Internet today.
A $240.00 cable. That's one of the funniest jokes I've heard in a
long time.
Tim
http://timberens.com
A Website for Guitarists
Learn something...Have some fun
ple...@nospam.us
>I don't know. I've only been using it with my Holst archtop through the
>Clarus/RE8 & 12. It lets a more natural sound through. My cheapie cables
>sound dull,muddy in comparison, with more of a low mid bump, and rolled off
>on top. I hear the Klotz as a more open, natural sound. Definitely more
>highs come through- not extra highs, just natural highs, and isn't that what
>we're all looking for, natural highs?.. For the un adulterated archtop
>sound, I still lean towards the dark side of things, with flat strings and
>no tweeter, but the Klotz through the Clarus with EQs straight up is the
>shit. That said, I would be very hesitant to spend more than the $50 I
>spent on a guitar cable, $240 is a little much IMO.
> I haven't tried the cable on my Ibanez solid electric. For that guitar
>I go through stereo chorus and stereo reverb, so I think the cables wouldn't
>be as important to the sound. But my archtop is a different thing- always
>going for Natural with a capital N. Then again, at home (since I've been
>leaving the gig equipment in my car), with my Peavey Classic 30, I kinda
>like the sound of the cheap cables into it, it has an 'old' sound..
>Life is complicated,
>Jay
>http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
>
Where do you get the Klotz?
Thanks.
Al Sato
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Tom Lippincott
>It's also true that there are products that are priced in the silly range,
>maybe marginally better (maybe not), maybe just looking cool and marketed
>well, that appeal to folks with money who have to have "the best" as they
>percieve it. I consider the Klotz & George L's to be fair priced and worth
>it. I like the Monster guitar cable too- I agree with Dave S's opinion, to
>me it sounded dark, but focussed (whatever the hell that means but that's
>the way I heard it), a nice cable. But the Klotz has the most open sound.
>that's with my archtop straight into the Clarus, which makes the differences
>obvious.
>Jay
>http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
>
That's probably a good point; as you guys probably know, I don't even own an
archtop. My Multiac is the closest thing I have to what you guys are talking
about.
Steven Husting
> On 12 Feb 2003 23:04:42 -0800, jeffri...@bigfoot.com (Jeff
> Richards) wrote:
>
> >Hi Everyone,
> >
> >I just went out and heard Art Johnson's Django Tribute band (it was
> >great) and Art introduced me to a guy who is marketing a new cable. It
> >is thicker than my thumb but light weight. It is unidirectional. In
> >other words there is an end that has to go in your guitar and the
> >other goes in you amp. It was derived from the Satalite business.
> >
> >Has anyone tried these?
> >What could a cable possible be made out of to make it worth $240.00?
> >
>
> need who will buy them. I guarantee you it won't be working
> musicians.
>
> Makes me think I should make a $400.00 cable. After all, a $400.00
> cable is $160.00 better than a $240.00 cable. Somebody would buy it.
Let's see ... if my cable is $160 better, and I turn my amp up to "11" ...
Willie K.Yee, M.D.
>jive
>
>but I'd love the hear the pitch on what exactly this cable does and how.
>
Hear's one pitch. It got cruhed under a truckload of salt at my place.
http://www.audioquest.com/theory/toc.html
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Jay Carlson
"Tim Berens" <ti...@erinet.com> wrote in message
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Hi Tim,
> "After the gig I was talking with him as he packed his gear up, and
> noticed his cable...a $5.00 special. It made no difference at all to
> the beauty of what we had all just heard."
Umm, how do you know?
You'd never make it as a scientist like that :)....
Besides, I'm not talking about the 'beauty of what you heard'. C'mon, this
is another post that tries to imply that there is zero difference between
cables, and anyone who spends more that $5 is an idiot. Will you admit to
there being ANY middle ground? any difference at all? If you don't, I
seriously doubt you have looked into the cables that have been discussed
here. And if you do, it gets grey fast with different folk's cashflow,
related equipment, and personal preferences. Yes, there are insane prices
out there on things, maybe $240 is crazy, but what about $50 Tim? I'm
tempted to send you one of my cables to use and hear.
Kenny's is indeed a fine player. There's a nice duo disc of Kenny with Gene
Bertoncini, on the 'J curve' label. Speaking of Gene- guess what cable he's
using? (not the $5 kind!). I wonder why. Maybe he's just an idiot. Kenny
must be laughing at him... I wonder if Kenny every really tried the $50
cable. I seriously doubt it, because the difference would be very obvious
with his set-up.
Jay
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
Jay Carlson
<ple...@nospam.us> wrote in message
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Bill Fender at Legato Guitars
http://www.legatoguitars.com/default.htm
Jay
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
Jay Carlson
> Hear's one pitch. It got cruhed under a truckload of salt at my place.
>
> http://www.audioquest.com/theory/toc.html
> --
>
> Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://www.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Bring the salt over here. http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fs.pl?cablspkr
(Audiogon, an audiophile forum and new/used equip sale site).
I just saw some speaker cables there for $21,750. Yes, I typed that right.
I think that's a little much don't you?
Tim Berens
wrote:
>
>
>
>Hi Tim,
>
>> "After the gig I was talking with him as he packed his gear up, and
>> noticed his cable...a $5.00 special. It made no difference at all to
>> the beauty of what we had all just heard."
>
>Umm, how do you know?
>You'd never make it as a scientist like that :)....
>Besides, I'm not talking about the 'beauty of what you heard'. C'mon, this
>is another post that tries to imply that there is zero difference between
>cables, and anyone who spends more that $5 is an idiot. Will you admit to
>there being ANY middle ground? any difference at all? If you don't, I
>seriously doubt you have looked into the cables that have been discussed
>here. And if you do, it gets grey fast with different folk's cashflow,
>related equipment, and personal preferences.
Jay:
Didn't you know that it's rude to talk common sense to me when I'm
being an asshole?
I don't use $5.00 cables myself. I use high-quality cables because of
reliability issues. If you search google for "George L. and Berens",
you'll see this is one of my regular rants here.
The cables I use (Spectraflex) cost 25-30 bucks, depending on how long
and where I buy them. It's been probably five years since I've bought
a new cable because the ones I bought five years ago still work. And
that's why they are still in my gig bag.
If I could find a place that stocks the Klotz cables, I would check
them out.
Now, no more common sense when I'm being an asshole!
Mark Kleinhaut
>being an asshole?
>
>I don't use $5.00 cables myself. I use high-quality cables because of
>reliability issues. If you search google for "George L. and Berens",
>you'll see this is one of my regular rants here.
>
>The cables I use (Spectraflex) cost 25-30 bucks, depending on how long
>and where I buy them. It's been probably five years since I've bought
>a new cable because the ones I bought five years ago still work. And
>that's why they are still in my gig bag.
>
>If I could find a place that stocks the Klotz cables, I would check
>them out.
>
I spent $75 or so on one of the Klotz cables and was really disappointed.
It sounded exactly the same as the $20 George'L and I didn't really care
for its bulkiness and stiffness, so now I don't even use the damn thing.
George L's sound really great and offer the best bang for anyone's buck
as far as I can hear. I havn't tried anything that costs $240, however.
Info and soundclips about:
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Pete Kerezman
<bill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>well, the big downside is what happens if the cable shits the bed at a gig -
>not only do you worry about dropping another 240 on a new one (since you
>might need a spare while the warranty claim goes in), but mentally, you
>might be a wreck, worrying that the three peopl in the club that might be
>able to hear the difference might now walk out - "sure, he had the chops,
>but those highs just rolled off .. ."
LOL! Thanks, man. My sentiments exactly.
Texas Pete
Ivan
>
> I was blissfully ignorant tonight too as I listened one of the finest
> guitarists I've ever heard...a fellow named Kenny Poole. I hope you
> all get a chance to hear him someday.
>
Yep..he's a treat to watch. I know you must have enjoyed that alot.
I've only been twice in the past year, but DAMN... he's awesome.
Did it make you cringe when his cigarrette ashes fell on his guitar as
he played? LOL
Ivan
Jurupari
>I think that's a little much don't you?
That's the cheap stuff! The 12-footers were thirty grand. Power cords were a
little more reasonable at $7500. I'd write more but the pizza is
here.....anybody got 12 thou for the tip?
Clif
scratch
"Jay Carlson" <j...@viaccess.net> wrote in message
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The funny thing is about the "audiophile" crew, in terms of root function of
an audio system I would think you would want to reproduce the recording as
accurately as possible yet they eschew the "pedestrian" monitors that
studio's actually use to mix the recordings with. Day in and day out more
music is probably mixed on Genelec's than any other monitor out there but
they aren't pricey enough for the "audiophile's".
Max Leggett
Flat speakers, zillion dollar turntable and Cd player. He talked about
his ultra expensive cabling, and said he was anxious for me to listen
to his equipment, as he'd value a musician's opinion. And he played
****ing Madonna. I burst out laughing. I guess he needed something to
occupy himself.
Geordie F.O. Kelly
everyone else who was listening. Judging by the length of this thread, it
is extrememly debatable. Once you rich fellows figure it out, maybe the
price will have dropped. $240 is more than my car payment!
--
Geordie F.O. Kelly
Guitarist/Jazz Improvisation Instructor
Armed Forces School of Music
http://heritageguitar.com/artists/
"Peter Grey" <pg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Jeff,
>
> I couldn't hear the difference between the Klotz and the GeorgeLs but
> absolutely could between the GeorgeLs and the POS cables I was buying from
> Guitar Center. I'll bet one's guitar and prefered tone plays a role here
> as I like a darker warmer tone and don't really care if a cable gives me
> more high end because I dial much of it out anyway.
>
> Keep in mind the snooty audio guys use speaker interconnect that costs
> $1500 a yard! Makes $240 for a guitar cable seem preety cheap in
> comparison.
>
> Peter
>
> Jeff Richards wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I just went out and heard Art Johnson's Django Tribute band (it was
> > great) and Art introduced me to a guy who is marketing a new cable. It
> > is thicker than my thumb but light weight. It is unidirectional. In
> > other words there is an end that has to go in your guitar and the
> > other goes in you amp. It was derived from the Satalite business.
> >
> > Has anyone tried these?
> > What could a cable possible be made out of to make it worth $240.00?
> >
> > I personally have not had the opportunity to try one yet. I suppose it
> > could be worth every penny. I was told it would make a noticlble
> > differece. I am using George's L and a Monster Cable "Jazz: Right now.
> > I'm just having a hard time getting my mind wrapped around that number
> > for a cable. I value yor opinion!!!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Jeff
>
>
>
Max Leggett
<jazzg...@cox.net> wrote:
>For that kind of $$$, it would have to be BLATANTLY different to me
It'd be blatantly different to me - I wouldn't be able to eat for a
month.
Ron
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Tim Berens
wrote:
>Keep in mind the snooty audio guys use speaker interconnect that costs
>$1500 a yard! Makes $240 for a guitar cable seem preety cheap in
>comparison.
>
>Peter
>
What happens if you have a $50,000 stereo system that has $1,500 per
yard speaker cable, and you use it to listen to a recording of a
guitarist who used a $5.00 patch cord?
Do they cancel each other out?
Willie K.Yee, M.D.
wrote:
>Fools you say! Check this out http://www.virtualdynamics.ca/home/
'Specially this one: http://www.virtualdynamics.ca/products/NIT/SPK
More than I paid for my Artist Award and its mods.
--
Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://www.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Jurupari
>yard speaker cable, and you use it to listen to a recording of a
>guitarist who used a $5.00 patch cord?
>
>Do they cancel each other out?
LMAO!! sure as hell cancelled my composure! Great!
Clif
Jay Carlson
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:15:34 GMT, Peter Grey <pg...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Keep in mind the snooty audio guys use speaker interconnect that costs
> >$1500 a yard! Makes $240 for a guitar cable seem preety cheap in
> >comparison.
> >
> >Peter
> >
>
> What happens if you have a $50,000 stereo system that has $1,500 per
> yard speaker cable, and you use it to listen to a recording of a
> guitarist who used a $5.00 patch cord?
>
> Do they cancel each other out?
>
> Tim
First off- that's a good ratio, the $50,000 to $1,500. You're learning. I
think you can do really well for that kind of money, if you're a savy
shopper and do your research.
Secondly, If it's a good system, nothing will cancel, it will reproduce the
sound of the shitty cable absolutely perfectly :)
That's the goal.
Sorry to take issue with you last night when you were in nasty mode.
...You look like such a nice guy in your promo pic :)
Let's do lunch,
Jay
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
Tim Berens
wrote:
>
>Sorry to take issue with you last night when you were in nasty mode.
>...You look like such a nice guy in your promo pic :)
>
No problem at all.
I like this newsgroup. Over in the classical guitar newsgroup, a
small disagreement turns into a lifelong vendetta. Here we just sort
of shrug and laugh it off. That's the way things ought to be.
Tim Berens
It's such a contrast...a guitar being treated just perfectly by his
fingers...and abused so awfully by his cigarrette.
But, what a player. It is a truly humbling experience to hear him
play.
Peter Grey
mega-expensive audio system is exactly reproducing the sound made by
guitarist with a borrowed amp that just couldn't get the tone he wanted
during that session.
Think about folks listening to Louis Armstrong for the first time on a
crappy (to our modern ears) Spartan radio back in the '30s and being blown
away by the music. I wore the grooves out on my Jim Hall Live album on my
lousy Motorola console system when I was in college. He sounded great to
me.
Peter
Geordie F.O. Kelly
> month.
LOL! ONE thing we'd be able to hear better is our collective stomachs
growling!
--
Geordie F.O. Kelly
Guitarist/Jazz Improvisation Instructor
Armed Forces School of Music
http://heritageguitar.com/artists/
"Max Leggett" <mleg...@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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David C. Stephens
cables while you play in front of your S12-ER with no processing other than
the Clarus (sans reverb). It's easiest to hear when playing fingerstyle with
roundwound strings, or an amplified flattop (either nylon or steel). I'll
bet that she clearly hears the difference. (Once she hears it, you'll
probably hone in on it also.)
In general, the more processed your signal, the harder it is to hear cable
differences. It's easiest to hear with a clear, open tone with lots of high
overtones.
Ciao,
Dave
BTW, I have a Spectraflex Studio Quad cable. It's very nice sounding. I'd
rank it just below the George L's. It's generally well made. However, I was
disappointed when it started to short and I sent it back for repair under
warranty. They told me there was nothing wrong and sent the same cable back
to me, with the short still in it. (It was shorting in the molded
proprietery 1/4" plug). I called the customer service rep, but never got any
satisfaction. So much for the lifetime warranty!
I think the Neutrik connectors used by Klotz (and some others) are some of
the best available.
Dave
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Jeff Richards
Everyone!
WOW! That's a lot of feedback! What an awesome resource RMMGJ is! What
a brain trust.
As far as the cable goes,
1) I have a really nice guitar that I am in love with, a Comins
Concert model with a Lindy Fralin pick up.
2) I have a good amp an Evans JE200
3) I cannot get over the feeling that this cable would be like putting
a $40.00 saddle on a $10 horse.
Maybe some day I'll try this new cable and maybe it will just blow me
away but for now I think I'll just keep with the Georges L or monster
cable.
I will also check out the reviews mentioned above in JJG magazine.
Thanks everyone,
Jeff
Jurupari
is free.
Clif
thom_j.
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IvanDRodriguez
Ivan
Jurupari
- Gomer Pyle
(the Pre-military Gomer Pyle)
thom_j.
$100,000 each but this depends on what type you prefer as
there are so many 'models & accessories' for these beauties..
Plus these Luthiers are extremely hard to find and are truely
the elite of elite air luthiers.. cheers, full off air tee'jay. :8^)~
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thom_j.
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IvanDRodriguez
That.....I'll agree with....LOL....
Ivan
thom_j.
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Jurupari
Him and Barney gone fishin, Opie went bad, and I set out to californy and got
all hitched up.
It's almost time for supper - d'y'all smell what the Rock is a cookin?
Shazaaaayaam!!
Pat
Pat
thom_j.
NoTell Motel..Yeeeehaaaaaaa :8^)
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Jeff Richards
> Fiber optics!
>
> Pat
Hey Everyone,
I went out and heard Tuck & Patty tonight at a really great theater,
Lambs players Theater in Coronado. They are having a music series.
Tuck had the "new Cable" about 10 feet of it. Great show. Amazing
guitarist. Loved Patty too. He has to my ear a really "Hi Fi" sound.
Not dark like a traditional jazzer. Amazing right hand.
Jeff
smoy
http://www.justjazzguitar.com/
I believe Tuck uses a Bartolini active pickup TA-1 ,with pre-amp that
creates a bright tone.
Skip
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Wantedleast
As you probably know he has a pretty detailed description of his rig on his
website.