Guitarists and Charlie Parker
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too.
What other guitarists played with and or recorded with Charlie Parker?
Did Charlie Christian???
Thanks,
JM
Holger Weber
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From the top of my head:
Tiny Grimes
Barney Kessel
Arv Garrison
John Collins
Billy Bauer
Mundell Lowe
George Freeman
Freddie Green
the guy who plays rhythm on the "hotel room sessions"
On which sessions does Galbraith play?
Holger
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> On which sessions does Galbraith play?
Thrivin' On A Riff (Parker) [→ Anthropology]
Claude Thornhill and His Orchestra: Eddie Zandy, Louis Mucci, Emil
Terry, tp; Vahey "Tak" Takvorian, Allan Langstaff, tb; Walter
Welscher, Sandy Siegelstein, fr-h; Bill Barber, tuba; Danny Polo, Lee
Konitz, cl/as; Micky Folus, b-cl/ts; Mario Rollo, ts/cl; Bill Bushey,
cl/b-cl/bs; Claude Thornhill, p; Barry Galbraith, g; Joe Shulman, b;
Bill Exiner, dr; Gil Evans, arr.
New York, Sep. 4, 1947 [Columbia 38224; CD-Reissue (2000) BeBop
spoken here, Proper Records (UK) Properbox 10 (P 1138)]
Yardbird Suite (Parker)Â
Claude Thornhill and His Orchestra: Eddie Zandy, Louis Mucci, Red
Rodney, tp; Vahey "Tak" Takvorian, Allan Langstaff, tb; Walter
Welscher, Sandy Siegelstein, fr-h; Bill Barber, tuba; Ed Stang,
picc-fl; Danny Polo, Lee Konitz, cl/as; Micky Folus, b-cl/ts; Mario
Rollo, cl/ts; Bill Bushey, cl/b-cl/bs; Claude Thornhill, p; Barry
Galbraith, g; Joe Shulman, b; Bill Exiner, dr; Gil Evans, arr.
New York, Dec. 17, 1947 [Columbia CL-6164; CD-Reissue (2000) BeBop
spoken here, Proper Records (UK) Properbox 10 (P 1138)]
Kevin Van Sant
<hg_weber...@yahoo.de> wrote in message
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>
>From the top of my head:
>
>Tiny Grimes
>Barney Kessel
>Arv Garrison
>John Collins
>Billy Bauer
>Mundell Lowe
>George Freeman
>Freddie Green
>the guy who plays rhythm on the "hotel room sessions"
>
>On which sessions does Galbraith play?
>
>Holger
>
add, Irving Ashby, Toots Thielemans, and Les Paul.
Hey Hans... did you ever do any sessions with Parker?
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> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:42:19 +0100, "Holger Weber"
> <hg_weber...@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> <36hftbF...@individual.net> :
>
>
>>
>>From the top of my head:
>>
>>Tiny Grimes
>>Barney Kessel
>>Arv Garrison
>>John Collins
>>Billy Bauer
>>Mundell Lowe
>>George Freeman
>>Freddie Green
>>the guy who plays rhythm on the "hotel room sessions"
>>
>>On which sessions does Galbraith play?
>>
>>Holger
>>
>
> add, Irving Ashby, Toots Thielemans, and Les Paul.
>
> Hey Hans... did you ever do any sessions with Parker?
> _________________________________________
> Kevin Van Sant
> jazz guitar
Right, Toots played with Bird on the Europe tour. I'm drawing blanks with
Ashby and Les Paul. JATP jam sessions probably?
Kevin Van Sant
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>Right, Toots played with Bird on the Europe tour. I'm drawing blanks with
>Ashby and Les Paul. JATP jam sessions probably?
yep.
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JM
Holger Weber
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> So, no CC and Bird?
>
> JM
Nope.
Paul Kirk
PK
On 2/4/05 9:31 AM, in article
1107527470.8...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
Gerry
<hg_weber...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > I know Barney played/recorded with Charlie Parker...Barry Galbraith
> > too. What other guitarists played with and or recorded with Charlie
> > Parker?
>
> On which sessions does Galbraith play?
I'm not aware of any recording of Parker's on which Barry appears. I
understand that Barry played some jam sessions with him. Maybe some of
that Verve stuff with larger ensembles since Barry's forte was reading.
--
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are undecided.
-- Casey Stengel
charles robinson
At that Jazz Workshop concert, Graham joined Americans, guitarist Dick
Garcia and pianist Valdo Williams (who was living here and playing at
Rockhead's) and Hal Gaylor, a local bassist, who went on to the US to play
with the likes of Paul Bley, Chico Hamilton, Tony Bennett and in trio co-op
with Billy Bean and Walter Norris. On the fifth set of the afternoon they
backed Charlie Parker on "Ornithology" and "Cool Blues" and stayed on for a
rendition of "I'll Remember April" after "Bird" left the stage.
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with Bird, probably on the Soupy Sales TV show, where he was in the
house band.
hans van leeuwen
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> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:42:19 +0100, "Holger Weber"
> <hg_weber...@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> <36hftbF...@individual.net> :
>
> _________________________________________
> Kevin Van Sant
> jazz guitar
>
I'm old, but not THAT old ;-)
Hans
Joe Finn
"Kevin Van Sant" <kvan...@pobox.com> wrote
>
> add, Irving Ashby, Toots Thielemans, and Les Paul.
This one is a stretch, but Bird played with Slim Gaillard. They recorded
too. ......joe
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The reason I asked was because of something I saw while following a
link on your page. On that JATP page there is reference to some
session or something with Parker and you are mentioned along with a
couple of other guitarists.
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jazz guitar
charles robinson
Tjader, Earl Hines, Vince Guaraldi and Stan Getz. He has performed with
Charlie Parker, George Shearing and Red Norvo"
Classic Jazz Guitar
(He played a club gig with Bird when he was in San Fransisco.)
Charlie
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tunes.
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http://www.theyoungwerewolves.com
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Holger Weber
Great thread. Summary for the Google archive:
Guitarists that played with Charlie Parker:
Hurley Ramey
Tiny Grimes
Slim Gaillard
John Collins
Barney Kessel
Remo Palmieri
Arv Garrison
Barry Galbraith
George Freeman
Les Paul
Irving Ashby
Mundell Lowe
Billy Bauer
Freddie Green
Jerome Darr
Toots Thielemans
Eddie Duran
Dick Garcia
Joe Messina
Additions?
charles robinson
Charlie
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Gerry
<hg_weber...@yahoo.de> wrote:
It would be nice to have another shorter list of those who recorded
with Bird that actually got some solo space...
--
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country for practicing religion in politics.
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Gerry
<robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hank Garland jammed with him at Birdland when he was up there.
Jeez he would have had to be about 20 then, no?
--
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-- Napoleon Bonaparte
Holger Weber
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> Hank Garland jammed with him at Birdland when he was up there.
> Charlie
Add Chuck Wayne and Bill D'Arango to the list. I'm not familar with the
Thornhill recordings. Is Parker really on those recordings? Maybe Galbraith
has to put off the list again? Farlow and Raney probably did sit in with
Bird on occasions? Raney was playing with Al Haig at the same time as Bird,
and Tal at one time played opposite Parker on 52nd St.
Holger
Holger Weber
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>>
> It would be nice to have another shorter list of those who recorded
> with Bird that actually got some solo space...
>
Holger
charles robinson
recording with some country a western acts and would go out and jam
afterwards. He started when he was 14 so it is possible. Anyway:
http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000742719
Charlie
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Gerry
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> They mention it in this obit.The story that I heard was that he was up there
> recording with some country a western acts and would go out and jam
> afterwards. He started when he was 14 so it is possible. Anyway:
>
> <http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000742719>
Oh, that's right. I forgot he fell out of the cradle with a guitar in
his hands...
jdah...@uiuc.edu
showing
him how to play over altered chords etc...can't think of his name off
hand.
jdah...@uiuc.edu
recordings.
Efferge Ware recorded Sept 42
Mike Bryan recorded Jan 4, 1945
Leroy Kirkland recorded Feb 12, 1945
Bill DeArango recorded May 25, 1945
Danny Barker recorded Sept 4, 1945
Oscar Moore (there was a recording of Bird with the Nat King Cole Trio
recorded
Mar or April of 1946.
I have an extensive Bird collection and will comb through it.
John
jdah...@uiuc.edu
In the late 1970's Chicago's "BeBop" Sam Thomas (guitar - now deceased)
told me he had jammed with Bird on several occasions. This story has
been
supported by other Chicago jazz musicians who say that Bebop Sam was at
the top
of his game in the late 40's and well into the 50's. He was still
playing up until his death.
bob r
jdah...@uiuc.edu at jdah...@uiuc.edu wrote on 2/4/05 9:07 PM:
Biddy Fleet was the guitar player he said he was jamming with when he
discovered playing on the upper structures of chords.
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jdah...@uiuc.edu
This is a nice letter explaining the exchange between Biddy Fleet and
Bird.
charles robinson
"BeBop" Sam-----Man!
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charles robinson wrote:
> Man! You have won hands down!
> "BeBop" Sam-----Man!
WOW! I've really gotten a great deal out of this thread- I hope you
guys follow up on the recording aspect, which guys recorded with
Bird...I can vouch for Barry Galbraith since I have that recording of
them both soloing on Yardbird Suite somewhere on casette in a shoebox.
Great idea for a website too! Unfortunately, I can barely negotiate
Hotmail! <grin>
Thanks all!
JM
Mike Hancock
> Biddy Fleet was the guitar player he said he was jamming with when he
> discovered playing on the upper structures of chords.
> --
> Bob Russell
Would that be "Little" Biddy Fleet?
Piet Vermazeren
Duke Ellington.
Piet
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Sam Herman 3/1950
Bernie McKay 3/1951
Art Ryerson 1/1952
Bob Lesher 2/1954
John
Gerry
<jdah...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
Great stuff--remember ye guitar players to let this story pass from
guitarist to guitarist...
jdah...@uiuc.edu
Ryerson
playing some great jazz flute as she sat in with a samba band. She's
married to
Joe Beck which makes me wonder if Art might be a relative of hers,
father maybe?
jdah...@uiuc.edu
Leonard "Lucky" Enois name appears both Enols and Enois...not sure of
real spelling.
It is worth mentioning that Holger Weber's first listed guitarist "Tiny
Grimes" is on the landmark recording that includes the bebop classic
"Redcross". For the uninitiated,
Charlie Parker recordings are from commercial releases, "aircheck
recordings" -- home
recordings made of radio broadcasts often times on wire recorders and
sometimes released on records, and private recordings. While many
private recordings have been
released, very many are still being held privately. I personally know
of an alto player in
Chicago who has at least 40 unreleased reel to reel tapes of Bird
jamming in Chicago.
I have seen them and heard a few. There are a lot of unreleased
recordings that could
be made available. When the Dean Benedetti recordings of Bird were
released, some
folks stepped forward with additional recordings to release but asked
for so much money they were refused. BIRD LIVES !
joemont...@hotmail.com
gig to gig with recorders...turning them on when he soloed...then
turning them off when he was done.
Was Bird ever at Mintons? Any recordings?
JM
jdah...@uiuc.edu
to hang
his mic for his disc recorder on Bird's mic stand. In one case he ran
the mic
wire from the stage into a stall in the mens room and sat there with
the recorder
on his lap. Due to lack of funds and the short recording time for each
disk, he
often only recorded the heads and Bird's solos. This "holy grail" of
Bird solos
was considered to be lost forever and finally surfaced and was released
on Mosaic
records. Listening to hours of fragments might not be for everyone, but
if it is,
this is a truly incredible representation of Birds playing..live at
clubs and jams it is much freer than the studio recordings.
Joe Finn
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Minton's was the place in Harlem where Dizzy, Monk, Bird, Kenny Clarke, Bud
Powell, CC et. al. played informally late at night after their regular gigs
were over. I remember hearing recordings like you describe but I don't think
any featured CC and Bird at the same time. There was a recording ban in 1942
and this coincided with the point at which bop was really starting to
happen. Amateur recordings by a guy named Jerry Newman were made at
Minton's. That's probably what you are thinking of. ..........joe
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Gerry
<jdah...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Dean Benedetti was one of them. He befriended Bird and got permission
> to hang his mic for his disc recorder on Bird's mic stand. In one
> case he ran the mic wire from the stage into a stall in the mens room
> and sat there with the recorder on his lap. Due to lack of funds and
> the short recording time for each disk,
Spool. It was a wire recorder.
Holger Weber
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No recordings from Minton's although Bird most definitely played there.
There are recordings that some sources say are from Monroe's, but afaik this
can't be confirmed.
Holger
jdah...@uiuc.edu
of it
with Benedetti and the actual recorder graces the album cover of the
Benedetti
recordings set. Wire recorders were commonplace at the time and many
recordings
were indeed made on wire, but not the Benedetti recordings. (Some
accounts
erroneously state that Benedetti recorded on wire.)
jdah...@uiuc.edu
at Clark
Monroes Uptown House in NYC between Jan-Mar 1942. A private recording
of
"I Remember You" was made at Monroes in the summer of 1942 which
included Bird
in section playing but he didn't solo on it according to Kloster &
Baktor.
(This stuff is fascinating).
jdah...@uiuc.edu
onto disc.
jdah...@uiuc.edu
"widely
accepted". What I meant to say was that when I began to collect Bird
recordings
in earnest in 1961 the information was sketchy at best. Many sessions
were released listing personnel as unknown etc. To make matter worse,
over the years
many collections that were released had the wrong information in the
liner notes.
In 1974 a 4 volume publication from Piet Koster and Dick M. Bakker of
Holland
entitled "Charlie Parker" assisted collectors all over the world. They
had assembled all known information to date.
In their collection of 1974 referring to the suspect Monroes date, it
says:
"Possibly Clark Monroe's Uptown House, NYC, 1941 or 1942. Unidentified
musicians
, possibly including Jay McShann. Some sources stae that it's a part of
a
broadcast of the McShann Band from the Savoy Ballroom (and thus made
after 9
January 1942)." The song of course was Cherokee.
Many questionable dates and personnel have been made clear over the
years as
new information flows in. I suppose I have recklessly accepted (in
blind faith
but hey, no one's gettin' killed over this) that when updated
information comes
out that it has been scrutinized enough to be accepted or collectors
would
question it.
The most recent updated list I am aware of for Charlie Parker
recordings comes
from John C. Burton in 1995 who commemorated Bird's 75th anniversary.
The updated list purports that the 1942 Monroe's date is solid. I just
figured
there was new evidence to support it and went with it but will likely
never
really know.
For newcomers to Bird, there is a lot of lore that goes with
discovering his
music and life.
....and now back to guitars...
Gerry
<jdah...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > Spool. It was a wire recorder.
>
> Negative, it was a small disc lathe recorder. There are numerous
> photos of it with Benedetti and the actual recorder graces the album
> cover of the Benedetti recordings set. Wire recorders were
> commonplace at the time and many recordings were indeed made on wire,
> but not the Benedetti recordings. (Some accounts erroneously state
> that Benedetti recorded on wire.)
You seem quite knowledgeable on the topic so I'll defer. But yes a
number of accounts state it was wire. Interesting to think he got as
crummy a sound on the disc lathe as many did with wire though, huh?
Gerry
<jdah...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
I love your posts, and not to carp but to advise: you don't need to hit
your return key at line's end but allow the software to break where
necessary. Otherwise it can format as it does above for many
newsreaders.
--
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immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people.
-- Noam Chomsky
skrohn
Charlie Parker / Efferge Ware Duet that may
be part of what is listed below.
Kansas City Band
Charlie Parker (as) Efferge Ware (g) Little Phil Phillips (d)
Vic Damon Studio, Kansas City, KS, September, 1941, 1942
Cherokee Stash STCD 535
My Heart Tells Me -
I Found a New Baby -
Body and Soul -
* The Complete Birth of the Bebop (Stash STCD 535)
Holger Weber wrote:
> <joemont...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
>>I know Barney played/recorded with Charlie Parker...Barry Galbraith
>>too.
>>What other guitarists played with and or recorded with Charlie Parker?
>>
>>Did Charlie Christian???
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>JM
>
>
>
> From the top of my head:
>
> Tiny Grimes
> Barney Kessel
> Arv Garrison
> John Collins
> Billy Bauer
> Mundell Lowe
> George Freeman
> Freddie Green
> the guy who plays rhythm on the "hotel room sessions"
>
> On which sessions does Galbraith play?
>
> Holger
>
>
jdah...@uiuc.edu
carriage return" so to speak (which is where I got the habit) at the
end of a line. It's been mentioned before and I had forgotten. Maybe
this time ... My remarks on the Benedetti recordings come
from the book that comes with the Mosaic Benedetti Recordings boxed
set. A lot of research went into that project and until that time I too
thought he used a wire recorder.
Having recently spent 21 years in a full time engineering/tech position
that was in part responsible for the maintenance and operation of
equipment for the accurate reproduction of archived audio materials
ranging from Edison Cylinders to modern digital systems I have had
"hands on" experience in maintaining wire recorders and have stumbled
across a few 1940's consumer disc lathes in addition to all the other
audio devices used in the past 100 years. (Way OT but a most curious
1950's consumer recorder consisted of round magnetic "records" that
used a tonearm with a record play head where a stylus normally goes.)
As is always the case, a consumer recorder is not as good as studio
equipment. There were varying qualities of consumer discs that could be
cut by the lathe and Dean Benedetti was pressed, hard pressed for cash
according to written accounts. The disc lathes used in making masters
for 78 mass produced recordings are an entirely different entity than
these portable consumer devices which were used to make and then play a
single recording. This has a lot to do with the sound quality, along
with the quality of the mic (compared to what was being used in
studios) etc.
jdah...@uiuc.edu
the session you list. The "suspected or likely?" Monroe's session with
Cherokee has an unknown trumpet clarinet piano (possibly Allen Tinney?)
bass (Ebenezer Paul) and drums. As was mentioned before, it is a shame
that the recording ban was in place during these formative years of the
style.
jdah...@uiuc.edu
that's all.
Gerry
<jdah...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> As is always the case, a consumer recorder is not as good as studio
> equipment. There were varying qualities of consumer discs that could
> be cut by the lathe and Dean Benedetti was pressed, hard pressed for
> cash according to written accounts.
Actually it begins to makes sense that he only recorded the solos if it
were a disc lathe. Certainly endless reels of wire wouldn't cost much,
take up much space and so forth. He would have been free to turn the
thing on and forget it had it really been wife.
Never in his wildest dreams could Benedetti have known what would
happen to his trinkets...
jdah...@uiuc.edu
jdah...@uiuc.edu
for the Google Archives. Any Additions?
Biddy Fleet
Tiny Grimes
Barney Kessel
Arv Garrison
John Collins
Billy Bauer
Mundell Lowe
George Freeman
Freddie Green
Barry Galbraith
Irving Ashby
Toots Thielmans
Les Paul
Remo Palmieri
Dick Garcia
Slim Gaillard
Eddie Duran
Jerome Darr
Hurley Ramey
Joe Messina
Hank Garland
Chuck Wayne
Bill D'Arango
Leonard "Lucky" Enols
Efferge Ware
Mike Bryan
Leroy Kirkland
Danny Barker
Oscar Moore
"Bebop" Sam Thomas
Sam Herman
Bernie McKay
Art Ryerson
Bob Lesher
Tom Walls
jdah...@uiuc.edu says...
> http://www.chasinthebird.com/nest/james1_e.html
>
> This is a nice letter explaining the exchange between Biddy Fleet and
> Bird.
>
>
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus