Over the Rainbow - Octave leap
Andrew Schulman
octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
Thanks,
Andrew
Lord Valve
Mel Torme's "Christmas Song," for one.
LV
Lord Valve
"Bali hi." (sp?)
LV
Lord Valve
Bali Hai. (Thanks, Google. ;-)
Interstingly enough, all three of those examples
go to the note a half-step down after the octave
skip. Must be in the Songwriter's Handbook or
something. ;-)
Lord Valve
Organist
JMF
Here's one that continues to haunt me: several years ago, Greg Silverman
posed the inverse question. He said that he had identified songs that
started with just about every interval jump except that half-step below
the octave. In the part of the thread that I read, people talked about
Bali Hai etc. as examples of songs that went to the octave first and
then to the half step below ... but nobody had an example where the
first jump was to the half step below. Every once in a while I remember
that thread .. and still can't think of an example. Maybe somebody came
up with one later on ...
Lord Valve
The guitar riff for James Brown's version of "Night Train."
(I don't know if that's JB's riff or if it's
actually written into the tune.)
LV
Lord Valve
Ow, that's gonna smart.
I'm sure there must be one, if not in jazz or
pop/rock, then certainly in classical somewhere.
But I'm damned if I can think of one. Arrrrgghhh!!
Lord Valve
Vexed
John Nguyen
wrote:
Espoir Perdu. Great piece for mandolin or acdordeon.
Lord Valve
Lord Valve
I must disagree.
The first two notes the dude plays are
both A's.
LV
Lord Valve
Ah - excuse moi. ;-)
I was so locked in on finding a melody that begins with
a major 7th skip I neglected to read the text above
yours. You are of course correct. Mea culpa.
LV
John Nguyen
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:-)
John Nguyen
He played the wrong notes. I got the music!
dsi1
This qualifies, plus it's sung by some cute little dudes:
Mr Maj6th
Happy trails to you, Roy Rogers' theme,
Strangers on the shore, Poogie's lullaby.
Maj6th
Lord Valve
Shit, earworm. ;-)
I love that. Can't help it. That and the Colonel Bogey March
(theme from "Bridge Over the River Kwai"). And, come to think
of it, the theme from "The Great Escape."
So here's an earworm back atcha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbsuAbTTsV8
LV
Mr Maj6th
Doesn't count, it's just an introduction that someone made up!
Sorry
Maj6th
dsi1
This qualifies, depending on how you hear it in your head. Plus it's
played by dudes with cute little instruments.
Lord Valve
Opening notes for the bridge, and then again in the middle of the bridge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
LV
Lord Valve
How so? It's an earworm for sure.
(Not talking about octave skips right now...)
LV
dsi1
It's a great tune. Pretty stirring stuff - makes me want to do battle
with the evil Axis. :-)
Mr Maj6th
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
I don't know what an earworm is. I thought the question was to name
songs where the first two notes were an octave, I might have missed
something; I usually drink on Sunday.
Maj6th
Lord Valve
Mr Maj6th
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Interesting, I learned something, but I think I prefer "tune wedgy."
Maj6th
daveA
The old "Outer Limits" theme. Regards, daveA
daveA
"The Streets of Laredo" AKA "Bard of Armagh"
Regards, daveA
John Nguyen
Another one: Shindlers' List Theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLK5OWU2YGw
Another one: Chopin Prelude Op. 28, No. 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIxx9luPRfw&feature=fvst
Another one: Elegie by Massenet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9X3H6mZcDY&feature=fvst
Cheers,
John
TD
wrote:
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
Flamingo
thomas
>
> Here's one that continues to haunt me: several years ago, Greg Silverman
> posed the inverse question. He said that he had identified songs that
> started with just about every interval jump except that half-step below
> the octave. In the part of the thread that I read, people talked about
> Bali Hai etc. as examples of songs that went to the octave first and
> then to the half step below ... but nobody had an example where the
> first jump was to the half step below. Every once in a while I remember
> that thread .. and still can't think of an example. Maybe somebody came
> up with one later on ...
Stella.
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> The old "Outer Limits" theme. Regards, daveA- Hide quoted text -
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Ah, Good one.
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John Nguyen
Another one: Shindler's List Theme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLK5OWU2YGw
Another one: Chopin Prelude Op. 28, No. 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIxx9luPRfw&feature=fvst
Cheers,
John
Bg
> On 7/3/2011 23:49, Lord Valve wrote:
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> > Lord Valve wrote:
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> >> Lord Valve wrote:
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>
> >>>> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> >>>> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
> >>>> Thanks,
>
> >>>> Andrew
>
>
> >>> LV
>
> >> "Bali hi." (sp?)
>
> >> LV
>
> > Bali Hai. (Thanks, Google. ;-)
>
> > Interstingly enough, all three of those examples
> > go to the note a half-step down after the octave
> > skip. Must be in the Songwriter's Handbook or
> > something. ;-)
>
> > Lord Valve
> > Organist
>
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How about "I Love You" only it's in reverse :-)
Bg
Joey Goldstein
Not sure if you're asking about an ascending maj 7th interval, a
descending octave or a descending min 9th.
But as far as an ascending maj 7th is concerned, Pat Metheny's Exercise
#6 (I forget what it was renamed to) from Bright Size Life fits the
bill, although it's not exactly a standard.
As far as a descending octave is concerned, Willow Weep For Me works.
Good luck finding a tonal tune that starts with a descending min 9th.
If you meant a descending maj 7th, then there's I Love You.
--
Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
joegold AT primus DOT ca
JonLorPro
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>...people talked about
> Bali Hai etc. as examples of songs that went to the octave first and
> then to the half step below ... but nobody had an example where the
> first jump was to the half step below.
I understand you to mean a leap of a major seventh.
"Ain't It a Pretty Night", from Carlisle Floyd's "Susannah"
ben
Moon River has an octave leap plus major second, am i right?
Nick F.
this time the dreams on me
Stanley Yates
"Andrew Schulman" <and...@abacaproductions.com> wrote in message
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JonLorPro
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> Moon River has an octave leap plus major second, am i right?
It does leap up to the second degree. That being the prominent
feature of the opening melody, the context of the tonality might make
one remember it as a ninth, but the first note is actually the
dominant- so the upward leap is a fifth.
JMF
> On 7/3/2011 6:03 PM, JMF wrote:
>> On 7/3/2011 23:49, Lord Valve wrote:
>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew Schulman wrote:
>>>>>
>> Here's one that continues to haunt me: several years ago, Greg Silverman
>> posed the inverse question. He said that he had identified songs that
>> started with just about every interval jump except that half-step below
>> the octave. In the part of the thread that I read, people talked about
>> Bali Hai etc. as examples of songs that went to the octave first and
>> then to the half step below ... but nobody had an example where the
>> first jump was to the half step below. Every once in a while I remember
>> that thread .. and still can't think of an example. Maybe somebody came
>> up with one later on ...
>
> Not sure if you're asking about an ascending maj 7th interval, a
> descending octave or a descending min 9th.
I was asking about an ascending maj 7th interval. My apologies - it was
late and I was too lazy to pull out the name of the interval.
mick
JMF
You know, I actually gave that example (Maria from the west side story)
way back then, and people started complaining, saying it wasn't the
case. I finally found some sheet music where it turned out it was a
fourth or something. But I had also remembered it in my head as a major
7th. So does that mean people just change it around at will?
Graham
Peanuts.
JonLorPro
It is a fourth; an augmented fourth. The reason you thought of it as
a major seventh has nothing to do with you or anyone having changed
it, what changes is the sense of tonality right at the point of the
note sung on "-ri-" of the "Maria" in "I just met a girl named
Maria". The sense of tonal center is restless in this song;
deliberately so. That "-ri-" note, when first sung in the "Maria"
_before_ "I just met..." etc (in the passage which everyone thinks of
as the beginning of the song, even though it isn't), is heard as a
note foreign to the tonal context into which it's been introduced
(which context itself is transitional) and helps compel that context
forward to where the tonal center feels like it lands somewhere with
some solidity (thiough it doesn't stay there for long). At that point
the newly arrived context gives the weird note a familar identity, and
you think "aha! That's what it is, the seventh degree in Major!" That
makes it (temporarily) the major seventh note, but not a major seventh
interval by which it had first been ushered into the mix.
JMF
That is absolutely fascinating, and completely convincing that this is
what was going on ...
Bob Roetker
Bob in Cincy
bobroetker.com
Tim McNamara
wrote:
That can be done. Even with "Over the Rainbow" that opening melody note
can be changed and yet the song remains perfectly recognizable- for
example, instead of low Eb to high Eb (the key I usually play this song
in) one can play high Eb to D and then the rest of the melody and almost
no one will question the validity of the melody.
--
Just a box of rain, I don't know who put it there
Believe it if you need it or leave it if you dare
Joey Goldstein
Maria starts with a tritone that expands to a P5th.
eg.
C F# G
Ma-ri-a
Lord Valve
I would. ;-)
Besides, if you're going to bend a melody that famous,
my vote would be for (low) Eb - F - D (some - where - ove),
which is more dramatic. (Play it a couple of times and
see.)
Lord Valve
Organist
Steven Bornfeld
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
Intro, "I Wish You Love"
Steve
daveA
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
Clair de Lune
Regards, daveA
paul s
wrote:
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
Alice in Wonderland (from the 5th of the key)
Paul S
dsi1
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/2011 11:31 AM, Andrew Schulman wrote:
>>> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
>>> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VROH0p7tmI&feature=fvsr
>
> Shit, earworm. ;-)
>
> I love that. Can't help it. That and the Colonel Bogey March
> (theme from "Bridge Over the River Kwai"). And, come to think
> of it, the theme from "The Great Escape."
>
> So here's an earworm back atcha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbsuAbTTsV8
>
>
>
> LV
>
Now that I think about it, I probably bought some tubes from you
sometime in the 1990s - that is, if you are indeed the real Lord Valve.
It was something like 12AX7s and 6L6s and some others I can't remember.
As I recall, they were French made tubes manufactured in the 50s. The
box made me think of some remote Foreign Legion outpost in Northern
Africa and some French dudes using a glowing box to contact home base in
France. Either that or they're rocking out in the middle of the desert
with Marshals. :-)
JonLorPro
Excellent. For the leap collection, stands in elegant contrast to the
refrain (alas- not the beginning, so out of the running) of the song
"One Meatball". Sung with great poignancy by Josh White and many
others.
JonLorPro
Excellent. For the leap collection, stands in elegant contrast to the
refrain (alas- not the beginning, so technically out of the running)
of the song
"One Meatball". Sung with great poignancy by Josh White, amongst
others.
How about a leap of two octaves? Prelude to the fourth lute suite-
but I guess that's cheating.
JonLorPro
On Jul 4, 3:16 pm, daveA <d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com> wrote:
.>
Excellent. For the leap collection, stands in elegant contrast to the
refrain (alas- not the beginning, so technically out of the running)
of the song "One Meatball". Sung with great poignancy by Josh White,
amongst
others.
How about a leap of three octaves? Prelude to the fourth lute suite-
but that's probably cheating.
Lord Valve
I am indeed the "real Lord Valve."
The tubes you refer to were the incomparable
Visseaux 6V6s, with the French Department of
War markings on the boxes. You must've had
a Deluxe Reverb or something similar at the
time.
LV
TD
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Do you think thos Vissuaux's are one way to go to get a warmer sound
out of a deluxe reissue? Do you have any in stock?
ben
Charlie
Mick,
There's no changing it around at will. It is an augmented fourth leap
C to F#, Berstein's original score.
Charlie
sgo...@changethisparttohardbat.com
In rec.music.makers.jazz Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com> wrote:
: Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
: octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
Willow Weep for Me (?)
dsi1
The amp was an Alamo Montclair. If you squinted and it was dark enough,
it sorta looked like a Deluxe Reverb. :-)
TD
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
You Stepped Out of a Dream (Bridge galore, if that may count for your
scene).
JonLorPro
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> As far as a descending octave is concerned, Willow Weep For Me works.
>
Or the aria "Nessun Dorma" from "Turandot."
Andrew Schulman
wrote:
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
>
Andrew
daveA
wrote:
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
>
> Andrew
Bali Ha'i
"(Donkey/Mule) Ride"??, from Grofe's "Grand Canyon" has
3 iterations in succession. Regards, daveA
augusti...@yahoo.com
octave leap, but I finally did. "I Dig Rock and Roll Music," recorded
in 1967 by Peter, Paul and Mary.
Tom Poore
South Euclid, OH
USA
JonLorPro
.>
> "(Donkey/Mule) Ride"??, from Grofe's "Grand Canyon" has
> 3 iterations in succession.
Wotta riot- for some inexplicable reason the tune that instantly
popped into my head when I read this, even though I knew it not to be
the piece referred to, is this one which I haven't heard in decades:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGUaScpSbg
I challenge any kid of the late fifties- sixties TV generation to not
recognize this piece. It's very likely only a few know it by it's
original title or by the name of the guy who wrote it- so I'm probably
not giving anything away by identifying it as "Puffin' Billy" by
Edward G. White. Hint: any marsupials of rank, or green genes in your
background?
Suitable both for this thread and the "three notes" thread.
TD
Afraid to admit it, but Captain Kangaroo. Yikes....
-TD
Andrew Schulman
growing up in the 50's, but Howdy Doody was a favorite. And Mighty
Mouse.
Andrew
southtexasguitarist
> On Jul 3, 9:00 pm, JonLorPro <JonLor...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 3, 6:03 pm, JMF <j...@favaro.net> wrote:
>
> > .>
>
> > >...people talked about
> > > Bali Hai etc. as examples of songs that went to the octave first and
> > > then to the half step below ... but nobody had an example where the
> > > first jump was to the half step below.
>
> > I understand you to mean a leap of a major seventh.
>
> > "Ain't It a Pretty Night", from Carlisle Floyd's "Susannah"
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl_Hs4PNT-c
>
> Moon River has an octave leap plus major second, am i right?
Nope, it starts on the 5th of the key, then up to the 2nd in the next
octave, then down to the tonic.
daveA
wrote:
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
"You Needed Me"
Regards, daveA
2cts
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
„I’m singing in the rain…“
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
Dunno if anyone mentioned the Star Trek theme
ecj
Somewhere over the rainbow. (R)Some(8ve)where(M7)ooooo....
ecj
Isn't that a m7?
2cts
Whatever "m" means (minor or major), it is a "dominant 7th":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdjL8WXjlGI#t=30s
wollybird
wrote:
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
>
> Andrew
wollybird
wrote:
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
purple haze
Andrew Schulman
Rainbow.
Andrew
JonLorPro
saraband
wrote:
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
>
> Andrew
Try an interval search at http://themefinder.org/
+P8 has 179 matches.
-P8 has 81 matches.
Lord Valve
Well, I had a look at that.
I'd have to say I'm opposed to gadgets of that nature.
Once someone decides to use them, there's really no
incentive to archive such information in your own
meat computer. I've seen the deer-in-the-headlights
facial expression that pops up on younger faces
when they're confronted with a question of some
sort and there's no computer or i-Pad or i-Phone
handy. And just because you can find it with
Google, there's no guarantee that what you find
isn't bullshit. If the URL for this engine had been
posted at the beginning of the thread, a whole
lot of interesting discussion would have been
squelched at the outset. Things of this nature
are making the world...well, if not stupid, certainly
lazy.
As far as I can tell, the Net is 80% porn, 19%
pure bullshit, and 1% questionable data.
Lord Valve
Organist
augusti...@yahoo.com
Scherzo from Beethoven's 9th Symphony
Scherzo from Beethoven's Pastoral Sonata, No. 15 in D major, Op.
28
...and I can't believe these haven't been mentioned yet--I didn't
think of them until last night:
When You Wish Upon A Star
Take Me Out to the Ball Game
augusti...@yahoo.com
augusti...@yahoo.com
augusti...@yahoo.com
ecj
It means "minor". Pretty standard shorthand for intervals.
Root, m2, M2, m3, M3, P4, dim5, m6, M6, m7, M7, 8ve
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
Andrew Schulman
<augustinere...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> For classical music:
>
> Scherzo from Beethoven's 9th Symphony
>
> Scherzo from Beethoven's Pastoral Sonata,
> No. 15 in D major, Op. 28
>
> ...and I can't believe these haven't been mentioned yet--
> I didn't think of them until last night:
>
> WhenYouWishUponAStar
>
>
1940.
The secret to Oscar winning songs, start with an octave leap.
Andrew
John Nguyen
wrote:
It's important to know if it's an ascending or descending octave. You
want to write a winner!
Andrew Schulman
> It's important to know if it's an ascending or descending octave. You
> want to write a winner!
>
>
Andrew
Slogoin
wrote:
> Especially three in a row.
Mark's Var. 9 mm 29 has a bunch of octaves in a row going up and down
but ending where they started.
Jeff64
wrote:
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
>
> Andrew
Hello,
"Singing in the rain"
"Alice in Wonderland"
"Nature Boy"
...
"Salt peanuts" motive
JonLorPro
>For classical music:
> Scherzo from Beethoven's 9th Symphony
> Scherzo from Beethoven's Pastoral Sonata,
No. 15 in D major, Op. 28
And at 10:42 am:
> ...and Valses Poeticos, by Enrique Granados.
>
The Mertz Tarantella- The first six measures are nothng but E's, 31
octave and two octave leaps back and forth, the last two of these
measures consisting of octave leaps to octave pairs. Och!
Andrew Schulman
Andrew
John Nguyen
They don't call it Tarantella for nothing, heh? That's a dizzying
amount of octaves.
JonLorPro
.>
> They don't call it Tarantella for nothing, heh? That's a dizzying
> amount of octaves
Your post appears on my newsreader as 8th new of 88 in this thread.
Did you do that on purpose?
joel fass
wrote:
> Does anyone know of another song that begins the way OTR does, with an
> octave leap? I'm sure there are, just can't think of any off hand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
This Time the Dream's on Me---after the first note is repeated twice.
joel fass
This Time the Dream's on Me---after the opening note is repeated
twice. Also, the intro to Salt Peanuts. The Lusty Month of May, as
memorably sung by Julie Andrews in Camelot. The intro to Purple Haze,
though I bet someone nailed that, it's pretty obvious.
Diverting game, BTW. Thanks.
joel
Forget Purple Haze. I think my mind was playing tricks. I haven't have
the record for a million years, but I think the intro was a b5.
Whatever.