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George Michael's "Faith" song...What genre is that? New orleans shuffle?

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Halim Sutanto

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Sep 6, 2003, 10:44:07 AM9/6/03
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Hi pple, does anyone of u know what genre is george michael's song
"faith"? I heard its kinda New Orleans Shuffle...Not really sure
what's the real name. Is there any other songs that has that rhythm
playing? Pls advise. THANKS!

Patrick Hanrahan

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Sep 6, 2003, 11:41:49 AM9/6/03
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Main stream rock/ bubble gum pop/ take a look at my ass/ drive all the 16 yr
old girls, who don't know I'm Gay, crazy/ top 40/ 80's icon follow up hit!
Title: "You got to have Faith", I think.
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JC

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Sep 6, 2003, 2:05:31 PM9/6/03
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It's sort of a Bo Didley beat that's been castrated, and turned into musical
oatmeal. If you really like that song, I'm not sure that other songs that
are not as poppish would satisfy you in the same way, but check out "Who do
you love" by George Thorogood....


JC

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Jurupari

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Sep 6, 2003, 3:40:59 PM9/6/03
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>"Who do
>you love" by George Thorogood....

Why stop there? Get back to Bo and Hong Kong, Mississippi!

thom_j.

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> >"Who do
> >you love" by George Thorogood....
>
> Why stop there? Get back to Bo and Hong Kong, Mississippi!

Why stop there? "I Drink Alone"


Dirk

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Sep 6, 2003, 5:20:54 PM9/6/03
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I prefer "Lets drink together"

icarusi

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Sep 6, 2003, 2:51:36 PM9/6/03
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I get it as a 16th note thing with accents on triplet groups starting
on 1,4,7,10 and 13,15. I think it's a fast bossa nova with the lyric
stressing the beat more than usual?
Interestingly there are also some flamenco rhythms which have that
form but all the 'triplet' notes are played with the 1,4,7,10,13 and
15 accented. I think the 'Bo Diddely' beat is much the same.

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Halim Sutanto

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Sep 7, 2003, 11:31:13 AM9/7/03
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So, any more songs that have that kinda rhythm playing??? So I can
call it the "Bo diddely" rhythm?? Doesn't seems that familiar to many
people i think. ANy other more commong and easier name to that rhythm?
Pls advise!

Jurupari

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Sep 7, 2003, 11:40:49 AM9/7/03
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>So, any more songs that have that kinda rhythm playing??? So I can
>call it the "Bo diddely" rhythm?? Doesn't seems that familiar to many
>people i think. ANy other more commong and easier name to that rhythm?
>Pls advise!

well, you could call it a Johnny Otis rhythm, or even clave, which it sort of
is, or the 'hand jive' rhythm, or a 'B Section of Would You Go All the Way For
The USA?" rhythm, but I don't think there's an official name.

Clif

Tom Lippincott

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Sep 7, 2003, 8:01:43 PM9/7/03
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I've always heard it referred to as the Bo Diddley beat. I think most working
musicians are familiar with it, even those who don't know what to call it.
That's interesting, Clif, I never realized it's the same rhythm as a 3:2 clave.

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Halim Sutanto

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I haven't heard of those artist name before. THanks for introducing me
to them. Anyway, these artist are blues, rock n roll kinda style
right??? So this rhythm is birth from blues rock n roll roots. I think
I can call it Bo Diddley rhythm. Any more songs that incorporate this
rhythm?

David Blakey

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Sep 8, 2003, 3:45:01 AM9/8/03
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halims...@hotmail.com (Halim Sutanto) wrote in message news:<2b059d3a.03090...@posting.google.com>...

Hi,

Yes, it's the Bo Diddley beat, as popularized by Bo Diddley in March
1955 in his debut recording "Bo Diddley".

Other famous examples of the Bo Diddley beat are the Johnny Otis song
"Willie & The Hand Jive", Buddy Holly's "Not Fade Away", the
Strangeloves' "I Want Candy", Nick Lowe's "I Love The Sound Of
Breaking Glass", the Pretenders' "Cuban Slide" and U2's "Desire".

David Blakey, Webmaster,
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Mr.Will

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Sep 8, 2003, 5:50:04 AM9/8/03
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In my late teens I heard his song "kissing a fool", and without knowing it
was George Michael and without ear prejudice etc. I considered that a jazz
tune. I actually still like it, but its kind of like a "early intro" to
music rather than a classic as such, same as say Alison Moyet and her
renditions of tunes.
Not marketed as "jazz" like, say Diana Krall, but still uses alot of the
harmonies etc. and a good introduction to those youngsters.
I think so anyway.

Mr.Will

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Charlie Robinson

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Sep 8, 2003, 8:17:05 AM9/8/03
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>haven't heard of those artist name before. THanks for introducing me
>to them. Anyway, these artist are blues, rock n roll kinda style
>right??? So this rhythm is birth from blues rock n roll roots. I think
>I can call it Bo Diddley rhythm. Any more songs that incorporate this
>rhythm?
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You can find it used in a jazz context on "Big Alice" (George Adams and Don
Pullen Live at The Village Vanguard), but you can also hear it on the Folkways
recording "The Music of the Upper Nile" which presents the possibility that
it's origins could be centuries old. Some guys here used to call it the
"Hambone Rhythm".
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Mark Smart

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> So, any more songs that have that kinda rhythm playing??? So I can
> call it the "Bo diddely" rhythm?? Doesn't seems that familiar to many
> people i think. ANy other more commong and easier name to that rhythm?
> Pls advise!

The "Mrs. Robinson" beat?

Mark Smart
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Edwin Hurwitz

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Oct 26, 2003, 1:09:07 AM10/26/03
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In article <2b059d3a.03090...@posting.google.com>,
halims...@hotmail.com (Halim Sutanto) wrote:

There was a reggae band in Boston in the early 80s that did an
absolutely killer version of this song (I didn't even know it was a
cover for the longest time) that was a solid one drop. I wish I had a
recording of them doing that. The Montegomery Bros fronted the band, but
later they left and it was populated by fusion musicians and they lost a
bit of their groove.

Don't know too much about the original.
</rambling>
Edwin
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OldJazzBass

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Oct 26, 2003, 10:23:03 AM10/26/03
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<< > Hi pple, does anyone of u know what genre is george michael's song
> "faith"? I heard its kinda New Orleans Shuffle...Not really sure
> what's the real name. Is there any other songs that has that rhythm
> playing? Pls advise. THANKS! >><BR><BR>

I don't have a recording, but I recall it's the "Bo Diddley" rhythm (based on
certain songs he recorded, more than one I believe) ..
Some call this the "Hand Jive" groove too.. These are the terms I've heard on
stage, when we're about to start a song I've never played. just generic terms
to convey a groove idea.

Kurt Shapiro

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Oct 27, 2003, 8:05:46 PM10/27/03
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I think it's a clave.

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Myth

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Oct 29, 2003, 5:29:43 AM10/29/03
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"Shave and a haircut, ten cents", I read somewhere that the barbers would be
standing outside their shops trying to catch some business by chanting this
line in the "Bo-Diddley-groove". It sound a little Porgy-'n'-Bessish, maybe
someone more erudite than me can illuminate on this point.
Take care,
Tom
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