Sustain pedal(s) for guitar
Hack
for guitar - like they have on piano? One would capture and sustain
the notes that are being played and allow you to play over them and the
other would sustain the notes that are being played and sustain
following notes that are played. I think this could add a lot to solo
playing while not having to use prerecorded backup and the like.
I have done this with the sounds in a Rolan synth, with piano for
example, but I would like to do it with all guitar. The synth has
guitar sounds, but I don't think they are that good, or at least not
the guitar sound I like.
Thanks in advance,
Hack
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nospam
on an of the effects. Usually it is set up for the volume control,
so the pedal is basically a volume control.
But you could set it up to control a reverb or delay volume.
So that when you pressed on the pedal the amount of reverb
would increase....
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Keith Freeman
I'd have thought with reverb or echo you'd need to use a lot, which would
make it sound like you were playing in an immense bathroom (and I don't
mean toilet!) or canyon.
You could try adding sympathetic strings like John McLaughlin did. You
might be able to get the same effect without modifying the guitar by
pointing a small speaker at an autoharp or similar instrument with a
pickup and mixing that in with the guitar.
-Keith
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RickH
Reverb is not the answer, that is something completely different than
the sustain pedal on a piano. With reverb the signal is bounced around
then decays over time, with sustain the signal simply continues to ring
as though you had not un-fretted the note then decays naturally. You
are right, this would be a wonderful effect to have for jazz solo
guitar, as most jazz players eschew radical sound effects other than
reverb/chorus. This is an effect you could actually play musically
like a piano. Someone should make "piano pedals" for guitar, I would
definitely be interested in something like this.
When you hold the pedal it sustains whatever you were last playing, and
when you lift, it mutes only those notes that you do not currently have
fretted. Such a device would probably get confused by open strings,
but the whole project would be a very interesting engineering problem.
If it can be done for my sons electric piano, (Yamaha Clavinova), then
why not guitar.
Pt
But I bought one separarely.
Roland DP-2
Pt
Joey Goldstein
Not unless you're playing a synth triggered by a guitar, and that's a
different thing than playing guitar.
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pmfan57
A compressor/sustainer pedal gives some degree of sustain to a note,
but you have to keep holding the note. It just slows down the decay.
thom_j.
> No.
> Not unless you're playing a synth triggered by a guitar, and that's a
> different thing than playing guitar.
to let the string(s) ring with 1,2,3,4 notes succinctly, consecutively,
etc as with a piano and then to mute (any or all of this) you would
need a simutaled dampening device to stop the ring..correct? It is
certianly a good idea but a hard one to accomplish, imho...eh?
curious tee'..
LarryV
the Boss RXL20 or whatever it's called?
RickH
Thats exactly what you would need, probably why nobody in the 1950'
ever invented one either. You would need every fret on the guitar
wired like a separate switch, so the electronics would always know what
was currently fretted or not.
RickH
Actually you would need 6 electrical switches per fret, the frets would
have to be segmented with insulators, so that the status of each
fret/string intersection would be known by the synthesizer. I've been
an engineer for too long, stop me now, take away my pocket protector!
Michael L Kankiewicz
Fisrt of all, I'm not very up on pedals, effects, so I don't know if this
is feasable.
How about an electric pedal that sustains only notes that are *already*
being held, but not those picked *after* the pedal is hit, and hitting it
a second time turns it off. For example:
Play a low G, then hit the pedal once to sustain it, then play a run
which does *not* get sustained over the G. When you are about to move to
the next chord, say Am, hit the pedal again to turn off the G. Play the
Am root, hit the pedal to sustain it, then play your Am lick unsustained
over the A, etc.
MK
Adam Gottschalk
The eBow has got to be the easiest way for an electric player to get
"infinite sustain". For me, when I want "sustain", I reach for my Big
Muff Pi, but that's a different kind of thing of course. Many players
not use eBows now, some quite artfully. Michael Manring uses two at once
on his basses.
mws...@insightbb.com
> I have done this with the sounds in a Rolan synth, with piano for
> example, but I would like to do it with all guitar. The synth has
> guitar sounds, but I don't think they are that good, or at least not
> the guitar sound I like.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Hack
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If you have a guitar synth, I would use that. I would use an organ
sound with no percussion, and roll the filter down so that it's very
dark. Most of the preset sounds on the Roland guitar synths are cheesy
and useless, but if you program it yourself it's possible to make
usable, tasteful patches.
The amount of patch editing allowed varies greatly depending on which
guitar synth you are using. I have an old GR-50 which is very
programmable, if you can put up with the small display and buttons. I
remember playing a GR-33 in a store and liking it, until I found out
that you can do almost no patch editing! That would drive me nuts. The
GR-33 tracks a lot faster, but if you don't like the patch you can't do
much about it.
I used the GR-50 a lot for sustained chords, like in the "Fifth Avenue"
mp3 here:
<http://www.marksmart.net/bands/iconoclast/fixtures/fixtures.html>
I even created a modification for it that would allow you to do a
different sustain mode where the synth did not play notes played with
the pedal down:
<http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/gr50/gr50mod.html>
If you happen to already be using a GR-50, then I have some patches
posted:
<http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/bysynth/gr50/gr50.html>
I've been programming this thing for like 15 years, so if you have one
I could make some sounds for you.
Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net
Pt
Sustainiac.
Pt
Pt
out it.
>
>I used the GR-50 a lot for sustained chords, like in the "Fifth Avenue"
>mp3 here:
>
><http://www.marksmart.net/bands/iconoclast/fixtures/fixtures.html>
>
I like your music.
Pt
icarusi
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> One would capture and sustain
> the notes that are being played and allow you to play over them and the
> other would sustain the notes that are being played and sustain
> following notes that are played. I think this could add a lot to solo
> playing while not having to use prerecorded backup and the like.
You may be able to do it with a combination of a delay pedal which has a
sample-and-hold setting and a sustainiac. The s&h just loops audio, so on
shortish time settings can sustain a note, chord or short note sequence. The
sustainiac can sustain notes indefinitely (not sure about chords). I don't
know anything which can do the same kind of progressive sustain as a guitar
synth, but it's not beyond the Line6, or Roland's VG product, to develop
something which could do that.
Icarusi
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Michael L Kankiewicz
But he said wants to sustain cetain notes while playing other things over
it.
MK
rr
If you play a chord, then hit the foot pedal sustain,
it will sustain the midi sound as long as you hold your foot down.
While you hold your foot down, you can play other notes.
The caveat is that a Midi module can only play a certain limited
number of voice at the same time. So, if you are sustaining 2 notes,
you will only be able to play (sustain) a certain number of notes while
those notes are sustaining.
Of course, you can layer more Midi modules and get around this.
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Adam Gottschalk
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Even with that, I think it'd be a best bet. The eBow is a one-string
kind of thing, but it doesn't have to be two hands. For example, one
could, as the above-mentioned Manring does on bass, pick a note to
sustain, start sustaining it, then start doing tapping and hammer-ons
with the (other fingers of) left hand (or other available appendages).
Clearly this technnique will work best if the sustained note is an open
string.
timhelmen
want to sustain, hit the record switch on the looper, then hit the play
switch on the looper. That brief loop would then be playing, and you
could play over the top of it.
There are two issues I would see with this: one is that you'd have to
get pretty adept with he quick steps you'd have to do to pull this off.
But that could probably be accomplished with practice. I suppose if you
were able to somewho set a fixed time for all your little loops,
something could be rigged up so holding down the pedal would start a
new loop, which would switch to play mode after the predetermined
delay, and would switch off when you released the pedal. Probably
relatively simple from a tech standpoint. Maybe MIDI controller
messages could be programmed to do this?
The bigger problem would be in making the loop smooth. The method
described would have a noticable glitch each time the starting point
came around again. With something like the DL4 where you can go right
into overdub, you could start the loop, swell into it, switch to
overdub to overlap the beginning of the loop, then switch to play. Even
more footwork!
This idea of a sustain pedal for guitar is something I can remember
puzzling about years ago. I suspect it's something that's technically
feasible these days but is such a specialized application that it may
not be considered worth the effort.
Tim Helmen
juru...@aol.com
the notes that are being played and allow you to play over them and the
other would sustain the notes that are being played and sustain
following notes that are played. I think this could add a lot to solo
playing while not having to use prerecorded backup and the like.
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I've asked this question here before, and to a lot of individuals, but
no, not yet.
I know just what you mean. To get pedal effects on guitar we have to
jump through a ton of hoops, and that would certainly make some of it
unnecessary.
You can do it with a synth and sustain pedal. I have a synth and never
got a sustain pedal, but now you've got me thinking about it, maybe I
will.
Coif
Hack
the sound of my guitar.
BTW: On the Roland synths, you can set them up so that one of the
pedals will act as a sustain pedal.
Hack
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