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invisaman75

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Nov 4, 2006, 10:41:43 PM11/4/06
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Max Leggett

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Nov 4, 2006, 11:50:24 PM11/4/06
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On 4 Nov 2006 19:41:43 -0800, "invisaman75" <wvt75-...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>D'Angelico is selling the Excel EXL-1DP and other Excels online for
>$800!!!
>

Amazing price. Are they going out of business, do you think? I had
heard that they were putting the NYL back in production, but there's
no mention of it on the website.


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invisaman75

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Nov 5, 2006, 12:13:04 AM11/5/06
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I heard DA pissed off a few resellers with their on-line pricing and
the NYL will be done in Japan but not by Vestax.

Max Leggett wrote:
> On 4 Nov 2006 19:41:43 -0800, "invisaman75" <wvt75-...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>

> >D'Angelico is selling the Excel EXL-1DP and other Excels on-line for

David J. Littleboy

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Nov 5, 2006, 1:31:23 AM11/5/06
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>> "invisaman75" wrote:
>>
>> >D'Angelico is selling the Excel EXL-1DP and other Excels on-line for
>> >$800!!!

Thanks for finding this and posting it.

As someone who objects to putting pickups and knobs on the top of a
nominally acoustic instrument, I'm one happy camper. While I love my Ibanez
AF105FNT, I'd like something slightly larger and with spruce top. (So much
for gas-free monogamy!)

This is on my short list: http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128689.htm

It's a pressed spruce laminate top, and I didn't like the only one such
instrument I've ever played. Also this one's about US$3000, which is crazed
price for a pressed spruce laminate top. Sigh. (I like the pickguard and
tailpiece a _lot_ better than the D'Angelico ones. But US$2300 better? Hmm.)

However, I do like it's a thin body (2.5"). The D'Angelico is 3", the L5
3-3/8".

"invisaman75" <wvt75-...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I heard DA pissed off a few resellers with their on-line pricing and
> the NYL will be done in Japan but not by Vestax.

Maybe they noticed the price of the Ibanez AFT105FNT.

I'd always thought the Eastman (made in China) guitars were overpriced.

Still, Ibanez has a lot of experience mass producing guitars, and it'll be
interesting to see if whomever it is that makes the D'Angelicos can match
Ibanez in the quality control department.

>> Amazing price. Are they going out of business, do you think?

Hopefully just matching Ibanez.

Still, how many people want a floating PUP jazz box? To make money mass
producing things you have to sell a lot...

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan


ade...@optonline.net

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Nov 5, 2006, 11:47:36 AM11/5/06
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Anyone try their gig bags? The one on the site looks pretty good. Any
opinions?

Andy D.

dunlop212

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Nov 5, 2006, 3:44:16 PM11/5/06
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So, what's the scoop on this? A tarted up MIK pressed top? $800 sounds
about right. Or is something else involved?

> I'd always thought the Eastman (made in China) guitars were overpriced.

huh? these are very fancy hand carved guitars with a street price in
the teens

Peter Grey

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> D'Angelico is selling the Excel EXL-1DP and other Excels online for
> $800!!!

I can think of few things that would anger their dealers as much as this.
Seems like a very short sighted strategy.

Peter
www.MachinedThings.com


David J. Littleboy

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Nov 5, 2006, 5:10:37 PM11/5/06
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"dunlop212" <ed_h...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Maybe they're cheaper in the states. Over here, they're in the same price
range as the ES-165 and ES-175 Gibsons.

Martacus

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Nov 5, 2006, 6:41:47 PM11/5/06
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I've tried the D'Angelicos and the Eastman; the D'Angelicos were $1200
- $1500, while the Eastman I ended up buying was $1800. (It's a NAMM
special 805, with MOP inlays and ebony buttons, etc. VERY nice.) I
didn't think the D'Angelicos were in the same class as the Eastman as
far as bang for the buck, but $800? I just ordered the EXL1-DP in wine
red... $800? Yeah, they're DEFINITELY worth that price. (Worth more,
but 800???? DAMN...)

Marty

Max Leggett

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Nov 5, 2006, 6:44:37 PM11/5/06
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On 5 Nov 2006 15:41:47 -0800, "Martacus" <MashaA...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I've tried the D'Angelicos and the Eastman; the D'Angelicos were $1200
>- $1500, while the Eastman I ended up buying was $1800. (It's a NAMM
>special 805, with MOP inlays and ebony buttons, etc. VERY nice.) I
>didn't think the D'Angelicos were in the same class as the Eastman as
>far as bang for the buck, but $800? I just ordered the EXL1-DP in wine
>red... $800? Yeah, they're DEFINITELY worth that price. (Worth more,
>but 800???? DAMN...)

Post a review: tha price is unbeatable.

invisaman75

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Nov 5, 2006, 8:19:51 PM11/5/06
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I heard DA fired their internal sales teams and the solution was to go
direct. The guitar market is in somewhat of a slump this year and I
guess this is their "shot in the arm" to get it going again.

geekg...@aol.com

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Nov 5, 2006, 8:56:21 PM11/5/06
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That's a great price. This is their "low end" laminate top guitar.
I'm pretty sure they are made in Korea. From info I got at the last
NAMM show, they are manufactured in the same factory that makes the
Strombergs (in fact they look very similar--except for the headstock).
a few of the other nicer imports are made there too (its not the Ibanez
or the Samik factory from what I was told). They are nice guitars and
the price is great. The gig bags seem a little pricy to me though.
Did I read the price right $170 for a gig bag? I know they are pretty
heavily padded, but for $170..they should be leather for that price.

--Eric Elias

danny...@cox.net

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Nov 5, 2006, 9:28:16 PM11/5/06
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<snip...>

> However, I do like it's a thin body (2.5"). The D'Angelico is 3", the L5
> 3-3/8".

><snip...>

>
> David J. Littleboy
> Tokyo, Japan

The D'Angelico NYL5 is 2.25" at the rims. I see these sometimes at
dealers or on ebay.

The Gibson L-5 CT is 2.375" at the rims, although I've got them as thin
as 2" and as deep as 2.5". The Gibson Byrdland is 2.25" deep. While
these are standard with a 23.5" scale, Gibson has built some with
24.75" or 25.5" scales.

Danny W.

da...@redstoneaudio.com

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Nov 5, 2006, 11:37:02 PM11/5/06
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I just tried to buy one and got an error msg from paypal:

"This recipient is currently unable to receive money."

Has anyone tried paypal?


dave

On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:50:24 GMT, kidk...@gmail.com (Max Leggett)
wrote:

Peter Grey

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>I heard DA fired their internal sales teams and the solution was to go
> direct. The guitar market is in somewhat of a slump this year and I
> guess this is their "shot in the arm" to get it going again.
>

It'll be interesting to see if this is a viable long-term strategy. Without
a guitar that I can play sitting at my local dealer, I'd certainly be less
likely to buy one.

Peter
www.MachinedThings.com


David J. Littleboy

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Nov 6, 2006, 1:26:32 AM11/6/06
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"Peter Grey" <pg...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "invisaman75" <wvt75-...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>I heard DA fired their internal sales teams and the solution was to go
>> direct. The guitar market is in somewhat of a slump this year and I
>> guess this is their "shot in the arm" to get it going again.
>>
> It'll be interesting to see if this is a viable long-term strategy.
> Without a guitar that I can play sitting at my local dealer, I'd certainly
> be less likely to buy one.

It'll depend on what their returns policy is. For the cost of one-way
shipping, some number of people might be willing to try the instruments at
home for a week. What does insured shipping of a US$800 guitar cost in the
US these days???

invisaman75

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Nov 6, 2006, 2:55:40 AM11/6/06
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It would be definite winner if DA On-Line was like Music 123 (45 Days)!
I need a two weeks before i really know if I like a guitar. This is
because I usually need it setup first.

Martacus

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Nov 6, 2006, 7:31:17 AM11/6/06
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Max,

As soon as it arrives, I'll write something up. I paid the extra for 2
day shipping (hell, $29 for two day shipping is good - it's getting
cold up here in the Green Mountains, I'd rather it doesn't spend too
much time in transit), so if they have them in stock it should be here
Wednesday.

Marty

Martacus

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Nov 6, 2006, 7:33:59 AM11/6/06
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Dave,

I used the Amex - I noticed that they add $10 to the price if you use
PayPal. Did you see the same thing?

Marty

dunlop212

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Nov 6, 2006, 8:22:48 AM11/6/06
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Apples and oranges. Eastmans are fancy carved top guitars. More like
L-5Cs; nothing like laminate ES-175s. I don't even think Gibson tries
to make L-5Cs any more. The closest model I know of, the much less
fancy L-7C, goes for twice what an Eastman goes for.

My dim recollection is that the faux DAs came in two separate lines,
with true carved tops being much more expensive. I played the low end
one in a shop a few years ago, and it was heavy and had poor acoustic
sound. Nobody would have confused it with a a real hand carved archtop.

I don't claim to be too knowledgeable about this line. Just wondering,
from folks who know the line well, what differentiates this $800 guitar
from your standard MIK heavy pressed top from epiphone or subway
guitars or whatever.

A couple of years ago, when the sadowsky line came out, I asked the
same question here, and got a very satisfactory answer from Roger (made
me want one).

rpgu...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2006, 9:50:37 AM11/6/06
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Hell, count me in. I ordered an EXL-1SH (routed humbucker) in vintage
natural. I have a 1980 L-5C with a floater so I'm not interested in
that configuration. More into a one pickup L-5CES thing like the Wes
model. But not at $7K!

It will be fun to A/B these two guitars. I could have 7 DA's for what
the Gibson cost. If they are close, I'll be selling that L-5.

Roger

Mark Guest

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Nov 6, 2006, 9:54:34 AM11/6/06
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Peter Grey wrote:
> It'll be interesting to see if this is a viable long-term strategy. Without
> a guitar that I can play sitting at my local dealer, I'd certainly be less
> likely to buy one.
>
> Peter
> www.MachinedThings.com

I agree, especially for a Korean made box. I would not be a happy DA
dealer with this going on. If they are pumping out Korean junk with a
DA label it will hurt them, their dealers, and Vestax DA owners. My
fingers *did* get a little twitchy looking at the web site, but that's
just the cheap side of me twitching. I've added a couple of guitars to
the pile, but the Wes is still my best guitar "investment". It has been
my gig guitar for 99% of the time since I got it in 2001.

All the best,

Mark Guest
Jazz Guitar

"Take a music bath once or twice a week for a few seasons, and you will
find that it is to the soul what the water bath is to the body."

Oliver Wendell Holmes (1809 - 1894)

Michael L Kankiewicz

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Nov 6, 2006, 10:03:41 AM11/6/06
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On Sun, 5 Nov 2006, David J. Littleboy wrote:

> >> "invisaman75" wrote:
> >>
> >> >D'Angelico is selling the Excel EXL-1DP and other Excels on-line for
> >> >$800!!!
>

> As someone who objects to putting pickups and knobs on the top of a
> nominally acoustic instrument, I'm one happy camper. While I love my Ibanez
> AF105FNT, I'd like something slightly larger and with spruce top. (So much
> for gas-free monogamy!)
>
> This is on my short list: http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128689.htm
>
> It's a pressed spruce laminate top, and I didn't like the only one such
> instrument I've ever played. Also this one's about US$3000, which is crazed
> price for a pressed spruce laminate top. Sigh. (I like the pickguard and
> tailpiece a _lot_ better than the D'Angelico ones. But US$2300 better? Hmm.)
>
> However, I do like it's a thin body (2.5"). The D'Angelico is 3", the L5
> 3-3/8".

I'd like to know why the D'Aquistos are so much more than the D'Angelicos.
Could their tops truly be pressed one-piece solid spruce instead of
laminate?

http://www.ariausa.com/daquisto/
http://www.theguitarhouseonline.com/daquistoguitars.htm


MK

David J. Littleboy

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Nov 6, 2006, 10:57:21 AM11/6/06
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"Michael L Kankiewicz" <mich...@buffalo.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2006, David J. Littleboy wrote:
>
>> >> "invisaman75" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >D'Angelico is selling the Excel EXL-1DP and other Excels on-line for
>> >> >$800!!!
>>
>> As someone who objects to putting pickups and knobs on the top of a
>> nominally acoustic instrument, I'm one happy camper. While I love my
>> Ibanez
>> AF105FNT, I'd like something slightly larger and with spruce top. (So
>> much
>> for gas-free monogamy!)
>>
>> This is on my short list: http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128689.htm
>>
>> It's a pressed spruce laminate top, and I didn't like the only one such
>> instrument I've ever played. Also this one's about US$3000, which is
>> crazed
>> price for a pressed spruce laminate top. Sigh. (I like the pickguard and
>> tailpiece a _lot_ better than the D'Angelico ones. But US$2300 better?
>> Hmm.)
>>
>> However, I do like it's a thin body (2.5"). The D'Angelico is 3", the L5
>> 3-3/8".
>
> I'd like to know why the D'Aquistos are so much more than the D'Angelicos.

Made in Japan vs. made in China? (Just guessing, I don't know where either
is made.) Walking claims that the DQ-NYE-W and DQ-NYE-WK models are made to
their specs.

> Could their tops truly be pressed one-piece solid spruce instead of
> laminate?

http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128518.htm

The fine print says that it's a pressed from a single piece and then has a
single-layer of laminate laminated onto the reverse side.

Michael L Kankiewicz

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Nov 6, 2006, 11:12:29 AM11/6/06
to David J. Littleboy

Here's one at a nice price on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/DAquisto-New-Yorker-Electric-DQ-NYE-NEW-hollowbody_W0QQit
emZ130042314162QQihZ003QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


da...@redstoneaudio.com

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Nov 6, 2006, 12:53:28 PM11/6/06
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On 6 Nov 2006 04:33:59 -0800, "Martacus" <MashaA...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Dave,
>
>I used the Amex - I noticed that they add $10 to the price if you use
>PayPal. Did you see the same thing?
>
>Marty
>

I noticed that. I tried again using Mastercard and it took it. But
today the order is still "pending".

dave

da...@redstoneaudio.com

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Nov 6, 2006, 12:55:09 PM11/6/06
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Me too, Roger.

Dave

rpgu...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2006, 2:01:41 PM11/6/06
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> Me too, Roger.

Dave, did you get the floater or the routed one? I sense that this
thread is going to die soon, at least until one of us receives our
guitars... there are very few reviews out there but the ones I've read
so far are quite positive. I liked the regular HB version because I
can experiment with pickups easily, and because the height is
adjustable. Floaters are a PITA to experiment with, if you can
experiment at all...

I needed this like a hole in the head, but 800 bucks? Geez. That's a
serious bargain.

Looking forward to getting mine!
Roger

dunlop212

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Nov 6, 2006, 2:53:25 PM11/6/06
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>
> I needed this like a hole in the head, but 800 bucks? Geez. That's a
> serious bargain.
>

If you have not played the guitar, and do not know where it was
manufactured, how did you get to the conclusion that this is a "serious
bargain"? Is it from the list price or an "Internet review"? Do you
have a link to a review of this particular model of the guitar?

RickH

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Nov 6, 2006, 3:04:04 PM11/6/06
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invisaman75 wrote:
> D'Angelico is selling the Excel EXL-1DP and other Excels online for
> $800!!!
>
> http://www.dangelicodirect.com/store/pc/home.asp
>
>
> Other are selling them for much more!!
>
>
> http://www.jhalemusic.com/pages/DAngelico.html
>
> http://www.guitargal.com/dangelico.html
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260047719749

Maybe someone there played a $650 Ibanez AF105F and said, oh shit.

rpgu...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2006, 3:06:58 PM11/6/06
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> If you have not played the guitar, and do not know where it was
> manufactured, how did you get to the conclusion that this is a "serious
> bargain"? Is it from the list price or an "Internet review"? Do you
> have a link to a review of this particular model of the guitar?

Just check pricing on the web; do a Google search. Same way you'd
research any guitar. Manufacturer List is in the $2K-$3K range for the
different models. Based on that alone, $800 is a blowout price. A
guitar of these specs at that price must be auditioned. Can't find one
in a store, so gotta buy one. If it sucks, I'll flip it - it will sell
easily for the same price on Ebay. Otherwise the suspicion of a
bargain will be realized and I'll add it to my stable, and be pleased.

Look on Harmony Central for some reviews of the EXL-1 (floater) and one
review of the EXL-1SH (routed). Generally, people seem to dig them.
They are certainly pretty! And I don't really care where it's made as
long as it's made well! Koreans have the same number of fingers and
the same potential for skill as Americans, last time I checked.
They'll just accept being paid less - which is a whole other argument
that I'm not interested in pursuing.

Martacus

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Nov 6, 2006, 3:11:32 PM11/6/06
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I've tried them, and thought they were nice, but not 1500+ nice.
DEFINITELY 800 nice, at least to my mind. I'm going to sell my Aria
FA70 (my low end stable place holder) and use this.

Marty

Martacus

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Nov 6, 2006, 3:14:41 PM11/6/06
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Rick,

That's a damn good point - I'd place them in that category.

Marty

rpgu...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2006, 3:32:36 PM11/6/06
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> That's a damn good point - I'd place them in that category.

So are you guys basically saying that the DA Excel models were
overpriced semi-junk that are now priced appropriately? This should be
fun... I will let my own senses weigh in when I get mine. Just like
the Crate Powerblock, it's an experiment!

Martacus

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Nov 6, 2006, 3:35:50 PM11/6/06
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I wouldn't say overpriced semi-junk (for many reasons...), but I'd
definitely say it's fairly priced now.

Marty

da...@redstoneaudio.com

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Nov 6, 2006, 4:24:03 PM11/6/06
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Same here--the SH. I don't like floaters in general because they are
usually a seriously compromised design. I thought about getting one
and swapping pups, but the only floater I like that would fit is the
Kent Armstrong handmade fullsize hb that mounts to the pg, and it
looks like stew-mac has quit selling the ebony pg's. I would hate to
have to rout the original pg out for the bigger pup.

I hope this works out better than the $99 crates! I still have 2 of
those things. I will use one for testing in the shop, and I don't have
a boat, so I don't know what I'll do with the other.

I heard Clint Strong play with the routed in HB (SH) in Arlington last
year. It sounded pretty good. When I get mine, I know I'll be able to
play all those neat runs!

I bet D'A direct got at least a thousand orders from guys on here last
nite. It nearly took the site down.

dave

P.S. I'm expecting an amp in a day or two.

rpgu...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2006, 4:48:12 PM11/6/06
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> I wouldn't say overpriced semi-junk (for many reasons...), but I'd
> definitely say it's fairly priced now.

Hmm. OK, I reiterate the "my senses" comment and my mind is open. I
really don't need a cheap guitar that's middling... but I will welcome
a cheap guitar that kicks ass. I guess I won't bother posting it for
sale on the newsgroup in the event that it needs to be jettisoned
though... :-)

rpgu...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2006, 4:49:45 PM11/6/06
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> I bet D'A direct got at least a thousand orders from guys on here last
> nite. It nearly took the site down.

I wonder. I was order #51. I haven't heard that many folks chiming in
here... unless they are bashful!

Max Leggett

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Nov 6, 2006, 5:02:07 PM11/6/06
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I added one to the cart, but then I looked around, and it just
wouldn't get played. The price certainly warmed the cockles o' ma wee
Scottish heart, but I already feel guilty with the axes I have around.

get...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2006, 5:41:19 PM11/6/06
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That's funny Max because I did the exact same thing! I really don't
need it though. However I must say, and you know as well, the New
Yorker models they produced in Japan are excellent guitars. I have a
NYL-4 and it really is one of the nicest instruments I've ever played.
Ken Willinger
www.homepage.mac.com/getken/guitar/

Max Leggett

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On 6 Nov 2006 14:41:19 -0800, "get...@gmail.com" <get...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>That's funny Max because I did the exact same thing! I really don't
>need it though. However I must say, and you know as well, the New
>Yorker models they produced in Japan are excellent guitars. I have a
>NYL-4 and it really is one of the nicest instruments I've ever played.

Yeah, I have a NYL-2 and it's a first class instrument. I get the
sense from reviews I've seen and this online price that quality has
lately been set aside in favour of trading on the famous name and
funky headstock. The D'Aquistos are the same: I tried a Solo and sent
it back: nice guitar, but not for 3 grand ++. Of course, once you've
played a Sadowsky there's no going back. :-)

Mark Cleary

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Nov 6, 2006, 6:05:15 PM11/6/06
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I am going to say this again but it is worth repeating. I too have an NYL4
and it is a wonderful guitar. I bought it about 4 years ago and it sounds
and plays with the best guitars I have. The neck is perfect and plays like
butter. It sounds very good plenty of punch and tone. The finish is done in
perfect blond not a mark on the finish. The binding is square and perfect it
is as good as a Gibson Citation for correct looks.

Now you might say I just in the dark on what true carved-top guitars sound
and play like. I am here to tell you I own 2 real D'angelicos that I have
had for over 20 years each. I have owned 6 different real D'angelicos over
those same years. I play and endorse a Hollenbeck 18 in monster of a guitar.
I am not in the dark at all this Vestax D'angelico is a fine guitar and
better than almost anthing I have played. NO, it does not have the sound of
the real deal and it does not have the sound of the Hollenbeck. It does not
have that type of depth of sound and power but not many guitars I have
played in total do.

In the end for less than 1/2 the price of a Hollenbeck and 10 time the price
of the real thing, this guitar is wonderful. Don't be afraid to take the
risk These guitars are the most underrated I can name right now. The MIK
stuff is not as good but for $800 they are the deal of the century because I
have played evaluated them in detail.

--
Mark Cleary
Hollenbeck Jazz Guitars the Finest
Handcarved Jazz Guitars
http://members.cox.net/ruthster/hollenbeck/you may be happy.


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invisaman75

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Did you guys break the site?! I can't get to it anymore! :)

David J. Littleboy

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"invisaman75" <wvt75-...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Did you guys break the site?! I can't get to it anymore! :)

Yep. It looks to be down. Maybe it was a typo, and they really intended it
to be US$1800...

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan


>
>

invisaman75

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Nov 6, 2006, 8:29:50 PM11/6/06
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It's back and still $800.

Brian

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Nov 6, 2006, 11:24:06 PM11/6/06
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PISSED right now! Their checkout is choking on my Canadian shipping
address. I can enter a US one, but that doesn't do it for me because I
want one of these fie looking axes shipped to Canada. GRRRR!!!! ;-)

Brian

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Nov 7, 2006, 12:13:31 AM11/7/06
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Please help me out here... This web checkout problem I'm having may be
a blessing in that it forces me to consider the merit of the purchase
of one of these EXL-1DP models. I have three fine archtops already - a
Heritage Sweet 16, An Ibanez GB-10 and a Gibson ES-175.

I nearly jettisoned the Sweet 16 in favour of an Eastman John Pisano
model last year (the only Eastman model I've been truly taken with) but
I couldn't swallow the premium Jeff Hale wanted to do the deal for a
trade-in of the Heritage. Since then, I've been quite content to work
with the herd I have... Until today's GAS attach brought on by the
D-Angelico blow-out. Is there anything this guitar will do for me that
my current stable won't? HELP!! :-)

invisaman75

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Nov 7, 2006, 1:24:02 AM11/7/06
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OK, I will try to help you ... err ...ah ... you have way too many
guitars! Yeah right! It's like this: You are standing at the drug
dealers door and turn to another drug addict and you ask him should you
go in???

Hell yes, says the junkie! :)

Martacus

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Nov 7, 2006, 9:36:06 AM11/7/06
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To anyone who's placed an order for the D'Angelicos - did you receive
an acknowledgement yet or see any charge placed on your payment method
of choice?

Marty

to.vi...@gmail.com

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Nov 7, 2006, 9:38:07 AM11/7/06
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Hi,
Can anybody vouch that this was a legit site in the first place? It's
weird that they'd just pull their site off line. Hope I didn't get
ripped off.
Vic

Tone

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Nov 7, 2006, 11:07:38 AM11/7/06
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Stew Mac should sell a kit to graft "desirable" headstocks on necks, I
bet they could charge $500 easy. That plus a $300 Korean guitar and
you'd be all set :)

Just kidding (sort of.) I hope these things are actually a cut above
the Washburns or whatever that you could get for half the price. And
for that matter I hope you get a guitar at all! Good luck.

dunlop212

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Nov 7, 2006, 11:12:14 AM11/7/06
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> The MIK stuff is not as good but for $800 they are the deal of the century because I
have played evaluated them in detail.

Mark: are you sold on the idea of an MIK pressed top with a floating
pickup? The ones I have played have been too heavy and dull sounding to
cut it as an acoustic guitar, and feed back too much to work as an
electric guitar. I am not sure I like the concept at $800. For that
dough an old epi zenith would murder it.

If it is a routed in pickup, you can, with a bit of looking, pick up
used high quality MIJ L-5 clones in that price range. A friend of mine
just picked up an immaculate Yamaha AE1200 for $900 shipped. On the new
MIJ front, MF has been selling Gretsch Tennessee Roses for $999.
Personally, I would take either of those guitars in a heartbeat over
any MIK jazz box I have ever seen.

I am using MIK generically, because all the ones I have seen are very
similar. Nice paint jobs, but heavy and dull sounding. So, I raise my
eyebrows when I see $800, MIK, and "deal of the century" in the same
paragraph. I am not sure of my ground, though, because another poster
indicated that these guitars were going for 2K or so before.

RickH

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Nov 7, 2006, 11:15:22 AM11/7/06
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invisaman75 wrote:
> D'Angelico is selling the Excel EXL-1DP and other Excels online for
> $800!!!
>
> http://www.dangelicodirect.com/store/pc/home.asp
>
>
> Other are selling them for much more!!
>
>
> http://www.jhalemusic.com/pages/DAngelico.html
>
> http://www.guitargal.com/dangelico.html
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260047719749

I was going to order one today, but their site is currently offline.
Is the site just down or gone? DNS is showing the IP as
[70.85.137.57], can anyone ping the IP? (ping is blocked on my network
right now so I cant check that). The site was still up at around 10pm
central time last night. They do have a phone number 732-380-0995 if
anyone wants to try to call it.

I dont currently have a long neck archtop so this box looked like a
good choice, glad I slept on it, will wait.

invisaman75

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Nov 7, 2006, 11:58:50 AM11/7/06
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Go the DA main site: http://www.dangelicoguitars.com/

click on Excel:
go to the model you want
go to add to cart
and it takes you to:

http://www.dangelicodirect.com/

I heard about DA On-line not via the web but from a person who is
closely associated with DA but not an employee. This person is a very
reliable source!

Martacus

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Nov 7, 2006, 12:03:50 PM11/7/06
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I pinged and received a response - going directly to the site
(dangelicodirect.com) gets a Plesk error. The site is registred to
Robert Blanda Photography; I just called him. He does the development
for that and a lot of other sites; D'Angelico has edit for product, and
it's a 'too much stock on hand' special that can seemingly stop at any
time. So, decide if you want to go for it, but it seems okay and it
seems like it might not be around long. I'm going to call D'Angelico -
I'll let you know if I hear anything that indicates negative news.

Marty

Brian

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Nov 7, 2006, 12:19:30 PM11/7/06
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I think their site has crashed. I got a confirmation of registration
last night when I set up an account. A little later, it appeared to
crash (I was getting database error messages on the page) and it still
hasn't come back. I emailed their sales dept. but I haven't received a
reply. So could be their whole server is FUBAR.

Michael L Kankiewicz

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Nov 7, 2006, 12:20:44 PM11/7/06
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On 7 Nov 2006, dunlop212 wrote:
>
> I am using MIK generically, because all the ones I have seen are very
> similar. Nice paint jobs, but heavy and dull sounding. So, I raise my
> eyebrows when I see $800, MIK, and "deal of the century" in the same
> paragraph. I am not sure of my ground, though, because another poster
> indicated that these guitars were going for 2K or so before.

I played the Greg Bennett Samick, and while it had a beautiful finish, it
felt big, bulky, and heavy. Pretty dead acoustically - pointless to have
the floating pickup.

On the other hand, I played a "D'Aspiranta", one of those Korean jobs that
that guy in CA offers periodically (looks like D'Aquisto), and it was
fantastic. Light, lively, excellent fit and finish, played and sounded
great for a pressed top. (And some beautiful pearl & abalone work to
boot.

(In case you're wondering, I own 3 well known high quality carved-tops for
reference.)

One small thing about most of these guitars that does bother me is the
jack in the lower bout. If the guitar is a keeper, first thing to do is
put in an end-block jack in it. (IMHBEO)

MK

RickH

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Nov 7, 2006, 1:20:14 PM11/7/06
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Yes I found the big 17 inch Samick to have a stiff top with too much
polyurethane that killed the tone too. But my 16 inch AF105 has a
light and lively top with a fairly loud woody tone, so not all cheap
MIA's are like that. I also heard good stuff about that Phillips (I
think thats the name) guitar that a guy job-lotted out of Korea for a
while last year. He ran out the last time I looked but was offering
what some on Yahoo said was a lively guitar also in the same price
range. Hopefully this D'Angelico is using a similar pressed top to my
AF105 and the D'Aspiranta, because I just love that headstock. There
is also Mr Stroup who I hear makes a lively, low priced archtop:

http://www.stroupguitars.com/

rpgu...@gmail.com

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Nov 7, 2006, 3:27:12 PM11/7/06
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I got an initial email saying I was order #51, but nothing since. That
was Sunday night and now it's Tuesday evening. I am raising an eyebrow
and beginning to think that I should try to cancel it explicitly...

to.vi...@gmail.com

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Nov 7, 2006, 4:00:12 PM11/7/06
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Invisiman,
Thanks for the heads up, and the followup.
I'm encouraged.
Vic

invisaman75

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Nov 7, 2006, 8:51:05 PM11/7/06
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I ordered one about an hour ago.

ott...@hotmail.com

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Nov 7, 2006, 10:15:07 PM11/7/06
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I clicked on the "More Info" for the EXL 71 and it gives the weight as
27 Lbs. ?
Bg

ott...@hotmail.com

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Nov 7, 2006, 10:16:58 PM11/7/06
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Oops Exl-1 it is, my typo, but 27 lns anyway
Bg

invisaman75

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Nov 7, 2006, 10:43:14 PM11/7/06
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shipping weight in a case inside a box, sound right

nul...@gmail.com

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Nov 8, 2006, 10:47:41 AM11/8/06
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while we are on this topic..

anybody tried the hofners verythins (contemporary model, something like
that)? It costs like US 600++.

rpgu...@gmail.com

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Nov 8, 2006, 12:49:27 PM11/8/06
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"Your guitar will be shipped today"
Email received from DA... with a tracking number. Oh well, I tried to
cancel the order via email but I guess that didn't work. The saga
continues!

beja...@hotmail.com

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Nov 8, 2006, 5:37:27 PM11/8/06
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Okay, got a question.

The natural/blonde/amber color names don't seem to be consistent across
the models. Some show "Natural (Blonde)" or "Blond Vintage Natural" or
"Natural" or "Vintage Natural" or "Vintage Natural (Amber)". Sheesh.

I'm interested in the EXL-1SH (single humbucker model), but I was
hoping to get it in the darker amber finish (not light blonde). That
model lists as one of its colors "Blond Vintage Natural"...anybody know
if that's the light blonde or more like the "Vintage Natural" that the
pic of the EXL-1DP shows?

Have I totally confused you all? Well, join the club.

Bryan

RickH

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Nov 8, 2006, 6:07:52 PM11/8/06
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Here is the nearest I can tell for the EXL-1DP which I was interested
in:

If you click the link on the left that says $500 to $1000 I think that
page shows the 5 available colors for the EXL-1DP but on different
models:

Black
Classic Sunburst
Natural
Transparent Wine Red
Vintage Natural

There are more colors overall but not for the 1DP, on those other
guitars that have more colors the "Vintage Natural" is also suffixed by
the word "(amber)" which to me means the "orange colored one". So by
deduction I would say Vintage Natural is the amber (orangeish due to
photography) one. The other 4 colors above are self-explanatory with
Natural being blond.

As for the EXL-1SH I would say if the word Blond is in the color or the
color name is simply Natural then it will be the light white color.
The Vintage Natural would be the darker amber (orangeish) one.

I dont know if this helps, but their web site does need a color chart,
it is confusing.

ott...@hotmail.com

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Nov 8, 2006, 8:27:40 PM11/8/06
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beja...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Okay, got a question.
>
> The natural/blonde/amber color names don't seem to be consistent across
> the models.

It could depend on what wood is under the finish: Maple, different
types of Spruce?
Bg

rpgu...@gmail.com

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Nov 8, 2006, 9:11:50 PM11/8/06
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Mine will arrive tomorrow. Darn things are shipped from New Jersey,
where I live. They probably haven't even figured out the sales tax
thing yet... I shouldn't even write about it...

I'll post a first impression, probably in a new thread.

Roger

invisaman75

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Nov 8, 2006, 9:16:37 PM11/8/06
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Let everyone in the group know when you get it. Mine is due Friday.
Thanks!

beja...@hotmail.com

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Nov 8, 2006, 10:49:21 PM11/8/06
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I know you'll disclose all tomorrow, but I can't wait. ;) What
model/finish did you order?

Bryan

da...@redstoneaudio.com

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Nov 9, 2006, 1:03:10 AM11/9/06
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On 8 Nov 2006 19:49:21 -0800, beja...@hotmail.com wrote:

I'm guessing an SH in Vintage Blonde.


dave

zzzj...@gmail.com

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Nov 9, 2006, 8:03:48 AM11/9/06
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Hi there,

so is this reliable? It looks almost to good to me...
I tried to order on but I get errors when I check out... As I live in
Spain it doesn't like my address eventhough there is the possibility to
check Spain as destination.

Cheers
Jo


Martacus ha escrito:

Michael L Kankiewicz

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On 8 Nov 2006 beja...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Okay, got a question.
> The natural/blonde/amber color names don't seem to be consistent across
> the models. Some show "Natural (Blonde)" or "Blond Vintage Natural" or
> "Natural" or "Vintage Natural" or "Vintage Natural (Amber)". Sheesh.

Guitarists are truly a very strange breed. Can you imagine a violinist
being that worried about the shade of their instrument's finish?

MK

rpgu...@gmail.com

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Nov 9, 2006, 9:36:00 AM11/9/06
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Yes, it would be the EXL-1SH in Vintage Natural (yellowish). Geez, I
hope it's not an $800 paperweight. I was playing my PRS HB Spruce last
night and thinking, why the hell did you buy another archtop when you
have *this* ??

On the other hand, my L-5 is not doing it for me any more... the PRS
really suits me.

But anyway, once I can break away from the family this evening I'll
post a quick mini review. Then I'm sure the rest of you will chime in
when you get yours and totally refute my impressions, and we'll have a
100 post debate about it.

;-)

Gotta love it!

Michael L Kankiewicz

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Nov 9, 2006, 10:12:24 AM11/9/06
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I'll bet a lot of people are *really* pissed. They seem to have really
screwed up the market. There are a bunch of them on ebay at the normal
price, and not a single bid on any of them.

MK

charles robinson

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Nov 9, 2006, 11:33:04 AM11/9/06
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Does anyone know if they are returnable?
Charlie

"Michael L Kankiewicz" <mich...@buffalo.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.05.106110...@joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu...

Mac

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Nov 9, 2006, 11:38:08 AM11/9/06
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Tried to order one Monday night. Seemed to go through ok, then the site
went down. Did not receive a confirmation or acknowledgement so tried
to email the "orders @" address (came back as invalid), and the
"information @" address (no reply to 2 emails). I then sent a fax after
deciding to cancel and asked for an acknowledgement (no reply).
Finally, I called this morning. Was told they didn't have the color I
wanted. I told them I had been trying to reach them and thanks for
letting me know! The guy seemed like he couldn't have cared less.

I went through being juiced at first, to anger at being ignored, to
apathy---so I won't be getting a D'Angelico anytime soon. I was a tad
leery to begin with, and there are plenty of other fish in the sea.

Hope they are great for those of you that get one.

invisaman75

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Nov 9, 2006, 3:07:30 PM11/9/06
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Yeah, they called a friend and told him the transparent red was not
available in the DP so he picked another color.

No matter how you look at it there will be better deals to come!

Martacus

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Nov 9, 2006, 3:31:28 PM11/9/06
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Same here - when I read the previous post, I decided to call them and
check if mine was out of stock (also red); I switched to natural, since
they might be out of vintage natural as well. As long as I have
something that shows the wood grain I'm happy... We'll see about sound
when I get it, but Roger's post gives me a lot of hope.

Marty

Willie K. Yee, MD

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Nov 9, 2006, 7:55:11 PM11/9/06
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:04:07 -0500, Michael L Kankiewicz
<mich...@buffalo.edu> wrote:
>Guitarists are truly a very strange breed. Can you imagine a violinist
>being that worried about the shade of their instrument's finish?
>

A few Strads are known by their color. like the "Red Diamond."

Kevin Van Sant

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Nov 10, 2006, 1:23:24 PM11/10/06
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On 4 Nov 2006 19:41:43 -0800, "invisaman75" <wvt75-...@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
<1162698103.6...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> :

>D'Angelico is selling the Excel EXL-1DP and other Excels online for
>$800!!!
>
>http://www.dangelicodirect.com/store/pc/home.asp
>


You Bastard! I have never before in my life succumbed to GAS. But
D'Angelico's have always had a mythical status for me. And even if
these aren't actually D'Angelico's, they have the same effect on me.
Actually I've had two students with these reissues. One was a
NY-something, which at that point was the only guitar I ever played
which I liked as much as my L5. The other student had an Excel which
was around $1500 and was a great guitar too. At $800 I have
succumbed.

btw, the other guitar I've played now which I like as much as my L5 is
one made by an independent Luthier (in NJ I believe) called Palen. I
have a student who recently got two. Every time he comes in the first
note he plays makes me stop mid thought because the guitar sounds just
so amazing. Even just one note.


_________________________________________
Kevin Van Sant

http://www.kevinvansant.com
CDs, videos, mp3s, gigs, pics, lessons, info.

Martacus

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Nov 10, 2006, 1:52:33 PM11/10/06
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Hi all,

Who has/hasn't received ship confirmation yet? I ordered Sunday but
have only received the first email. (I called to check and found that
my color was OOS, so I switched to another color.) I'm just curious as
to how quickly things are going. (OK, so I want to try this guitar
ASAP....)

Thanks,
Marty

tom walls

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Nov 10, 2006, 1:54:13 PM11/10/06
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In article <3dg9l25uevjdqkugi...@4ax.com>,
kvan...@pobox.com says...

>
> You Bastard! I have never before in my life succumbed to GAS. But
> D'Angelico's have always had a mythical status for me. And even if
> these aren't actually D'Angelico's, they have the same effect on me.
> Actually I've had two students with these reissues. One was a
> NY-something, which at that point was the only guitar I ever played
> which I liked as much as my L5. The other student had an Excel which
> was around $1500 and was a great guitar too. At $800 I have
> succumbed.
>
>
>
If this guitar is better than my Epi ES175, then I don't deserve it. So
there.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus

David J. Littleboy

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Nov 10, 2006, 3:19:29 PM11/10/06
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"tom walls" <tw...@cornell.edu> wrote:

> If this guitar is better than my Epi ES175, then I don't deserve it. So
> there.

Yes you do.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan


invisaman75

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Nov 10, 2006, 9:41:42 PM11/10/06
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I sent a request to cancel my order. I supposed to get it today but I
never got any shipping confirmation. I called and left messages but no
response as of yet. Having a guitar like this at this price may be nice
but I think I will pass!
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