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Gerry
Aug 11, 2012, 12:43:46 PM8/11/12
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[ For those with little to no experience with choro, the Brazilian
style/genre, this might be of interest. I think it has a great deal of
overlap with older jazz and can be of an improvisational music. ]
Many years ago (~20), when nobody much cared, I was told that there was
one lonely all-purpose volume of choro tunes. Culled from 40 years of
different publications, it had plenty of oddities and errors, but just
like the jazz Real Book was in dog-eared re-distribution among
enthusiasts. It was called 84 Chorinhos Famosos.
84CF is long out-of-print now. If you have a vague interest in choro,
it's a good place to start. It's here:
rmmgj.blogspot.com
If it inspires interest, there are some exceptional newer publications
of choro published by Irmaos Vitale. If you would like the where and
how of procurement, just let me know: I'm an errand-boy for Brazilian
music--send me!
--
Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
style/genre, this might be of interest. I think it has a great deal of
overlap with older jazz and can be of an improvisational music. ]
Many years ago (~20), when nobody much cared, I was told that there was
one lonely all-purpose volume of choro tunes. Culled from 40 years of
different publications, it had plenty of oddities and errors, but just
like the jazz Real Book was in dog-eared re-distribution among
enthusiasts. It was called 84 Chorinhos Famosos.
84CF is long out-of-print now. If you have a vague interest in choro,
it's a good place to start. It's here:
rmmgj.blogspot.com
If it inspires interest, there are some exceptional newer publications
of choro published by Irmaos Vitale. If you would like the where and
how of procurement, just let me know: I'm an errand-boy for Brazilian
music--send me!
--
Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
matelo...@gmail.com
Aug 11, 2012, 1:41:06 PM8/11/12
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great stuff Gerry, thanks.
A lot of choros come from polka ABACA forms/harmony.
Funny parallel; in gypsy jazz the bal musette waltzes are often the same forms/harmony.
Here's a gypsy jazz vers of a Brazilian choro waltz to demonstrate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVsfOoHdDa4
One of my fave jazzy choro bands:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f_z9-I9jGE
A lot of choros come from polka ABACA forms/harmony.
Funny parallel; in gypsy jazz the bal musette waltzes are often the same forms/harmony.
Here's a gypsy jazz vers of a Brazilian choro waltz to demonstrate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVsfOoHdDa4
One of my fave jazzy choro bands:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f_z9-I9jGE
Gerry
Aug 11, 2012, 2:58:04 PM8/11/12
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On 2012-08-11 17:41:06 +0000, matelo...@gmail.com said:
> great stuff Gerry, thanks.
My proselytizing pleasure! Is your first name pronounced Matelo?
> A lot of choros come from polka ABACA forms/harmony.
I find a lot of them are AABBCA if memory serves. Something like that.
In any case I LOVE a C section in Brazilian music or anywhere else when
it occurs.
> Funny parallel; in gypsy jazz the bal musette waltzes are often the
> same forms/harmony.
With no disrespect intended, I have long had problems understanding
what is meant by "gypsy jazz" in actual usage. It seems to Ωmean at
least 2 or 3 different things, contingent only on hairdo and use of
equipment, seemingly.
Musette--I am *crazy* about that stuff and it's much more difficult to
run down that choro by a long shot. It's also long been in a dormant
stage as a living/breathing genre as was Choro in the 60's and 70's.
But it continues. Accordion as a marker in music is still tough for
people to parse. Like choro it's range and overlaps in forms and styles
makes it somewhat confusing.
Are you interested in musette itself? I've managed to procure a
library of that stuff at no small expense, and it's a staple for my
reading studies.
> Here's a gypsy jazz vers of a Brazilian choro waltz to demonstrate:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVsfOoHdDa4
The only marker I can find that makes this "gypsy jazz" is the iffy
"pomp" in the 2nd guitar. The notes state "This is, of course, a
classical piece..." I don't know where he got that from. Bellinati
revived it for guitar with his Garoto project in '91, but it wasn't
stock guitar lit before that.
Here it is in the earliest version I've found, and I think it is the
"original":
http://tinyurl.com/93u5qlb
Agreed! This makes me want to work up a version of Pixinguinha's
"Rosa". I prefer Moura on clarinet.
Here's an odd cross-over: Just the other day snooping on the net
somewhere I ran across an early Herbie Mann album, who was early on the
Bossa boat in the 60's, and who was on alto? Paulo Moura! Blew me
away. I knew he'd been around for a long time, but didn't realize he'd
been there for that crew.
You should check out Abel Ferreira e os Choroes if you haven't already
another great choro crew led by a clarinetist... who of course hefts
alto and tenor occasionally.
There is also Niltinho who is featured on some Nelson Sargento albums
and has some ancient LP's on Copacabana that I managed to scrounge from
a dusty bin somewhere. That's not an endorsement.
> great stuff Gerry, thanks.
My proselytizing pleasure! Is your first name pronounced Matelo?
> A lot of choros come from polka ABACA forms/harmony.
In any case I LOVE a C section in Brazilian music or anywhere else when
it occurs.
> Funny parallel; in gypsy jazz the bal musette waltzes are often the
> same forms/harmony.
what is meant by "gypsy jazz" in actual usage. It seems to Ωmean at
least 2 or 3 different things, contingent only on hairdo and use of
equipment, seemingly.
Musette--I am *crazy* about that stuff and it's much more difficult to
run down that choro by a long shot. It's also long been in a dormant
stage as a living/breathing genre as was Choro in the 60's and 70's.
But it continues. Accordion as a marker in music is still tough for
people to parse. Like choro it's range and overlaps in forms and styles
makes it somewhat confusing.
Are you interested in musette itself? I've managed to procure a
library of that stuff at no small expense, and it's a staple for my
reading studies.
> Here's a gypsy jazz vers of a Brazilian choro waltz to demonstrate:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVsfOoHdDa4
"pomp" in the 2nd guitar. The notes state "This is, of course, a
classical piece..." I don't know where he got that from. Bellinati
revived it for guitar with his Garoto project in '91, but it wasn't
stock guitar lit before that.
Here it is in the earliest version I've found, and I think it is the
"original":
http://tinyurl.com/93u5qlb
Agreed! This makes me want to work up a version of Pixinguinha's
"Rosa". I prefer Moura on clarinet.
Here's an odd cross-over: Just the other day snooping on the net
somewhere I ran across an early Herbie Mann album, who was early on the
Bossa boat in the 60's, and who was on alto? Paulo Moura! Blew me
away. I knew he'd been around for a long time, but didn't realize he'd
been there for that crew.
You should check out Abel Ferreira e os Choroes if you haven't already
another great choro crew led by a clarinetist... who of course hefts
alto and tenor occasionally.
There is also Niltinho who is featured on some Nelson Sargento albums
and has some ancient LP's on Copacabana that I managed to scrounge from
a dusty bin somewhere. That's not an endorsement.
matelo...@gmail.com
Aug 11, 2012, 3:22:48 PM8/11/12
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>Is your first name pronounced Matelo?
thats just a gypsy jazz joke name -I'm Matt Mitchell
>With no disrespect intended, I have long had problems understanding
yeah, just my own skewed perspective - bal musette existed before and separate from GJ.
>Are you interested in musette itself?
What I read was that Django et al worked in the bal musettes (a name for the place too, no?) as well as the Russian rooms in Paris to make a living - and these styles later became part of GJ - kind of like bossa is part of jazz. I read that the 1st 'disco balls' (for lack of a better name) originated in the bal musettes. Men would pay the girls for dances and there even was a lot of prostitution. The whole scene was very working-class.
great book: http://books.google.com/books/about/Gypsy_Jazz.html?id=smcDVbulh1gC
>You should check out Abel Ferreira e os Choroes
thomas
Aug 11, 2012, 4:15:07 PM8/11/12
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matelo...@gmail.com
Aug 11, 2012, 4:56:25 PM8/11/12
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also here's a GJ fakebook I put together with some waltzes in it:
http://www.gypsyguitar.de/downloads/gg-downloads/fakebook_django_2008.pdf
try Panique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ovtug9XGQ
http://www.gypsyguitar.de/downloads/gg-downloads/fakebook_django_2008.pdf
try Panique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ovtug9XGQ
Gerry
Aug 11, 2012, 6:39:17 PM8/11/12
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On 2012-08-11 19:22:48 +0000, matelo...@gmail.com said:
>> Is your first name pronounced Matelo?
> thats just a gypsy jazz joke name -I'm Matt Mitchell
>
>> With no disrespect intended, I have long had problems understanding
>> what is meant by "gypsy jazz" (GJ)
>
> yeah, just my own skewed perspective - bal musette existed before and
> separate from GJ.
>
>> Are you interested in musette itself?
>
> Only as it applies to GJ I guess.
> What I read was that Django et al worked in the bal musettes (a name
> for the place too, no?)
Yeah, my understanding is that bal musette is only a place/party, not
>> Is your first name pronounced Matelo?
> thats just a gypsy jazz joke name -I'm Matt Mitchell
>
>> With no disrespect intended, I have long had problems understanding
>> what is meant by "gypsy jazz" (GJ)
>
> yeah, just my own skewed perspective - bal musette existed before and
> separate from GJ.
>
>> Are you interested in musette itself?
>
> Only as it applies to GJ I guess.
> What I read was that Django et al worked in the bal musettes (a name
> for the place too, no?)
the style.
> ...as well as the Russian rooms in Paris to make a living - and these
> styles later became part of GJ - kind of like bossa is part of jazz.
Sound logical. I got the impression that they were all just working
musicians, some of them Romani, some of them farmers who lost their
plot, some of them punks with a violin. In any case they all scrounged
for work and played everything anybody wanted. As swing became popular,
they jumped on board. Tango--why not.
Funny how in musette anything that has a Latin feel (other than tango)
is called a "java", as if it were a style/form. Maybe it is, I've yet
to analyze a center to it, though.
But between Django and crew playing such as Dinah or I'm Confessin' or
more the obvious musette type stuff--it's all pretty much just "hot"
music.
Actually, going back to choro, I think that choro and musette both had
a simultaneous rush of activity between 1900 and 1920, likely slacking
between 1914 and 1919 in France during the war. Music occupied a
completely different space in pre-radio (mid/late-20's) world.
> I read that the 1st 'disco balls' (for lack of a better name)
> originated in the bal musettes.
that they were relatively casual and lower-income settings with cheap
wine, but also a place you'd take granma and the kids too.
> Men would pay the girls for dances and there even was a lot of
> prostitution. The whole scene was very working-class.
spectrum. Eventually it occupied the whole spectrum. There is a Guy de
Maupassant story ("Paul's Mistress") that seems to hold a partial
reference, "Restaurant Grillon" is more or less a barge outside of
town. It's more a daytime activity with a chicken dinner, but as night
comes on you dance, start hitting the wine hard and picking fights.
That still exists but there's not much of it, and it is a shlep from
Paris proper.
It's likely a touristy thing too, I'd imagine.
> great book: http://books.google.com/books/about/Gypsy_Jazz.html?id=smcDVbulh1gC
Cool. Duly noted.
>> You should check out Abel Ferreira e os Choroes
>
> will do thanks
Gerry
Aug 11, 2012, 6:39:54 PM8/11/12
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On 2012-08-11 20:56:25 +0000, matelo...@gmail.com said:
> also here's a GJ fakebook I put together with some waltzes in it:
> http://www.gypsyguitar.de/downloads/gg-downloads/fakebook_django_2008.pdf
I already had this though I don't know where I got it. You put it
> also here's a GJ fakebook I put together with some waltzes in it:
> http://www.gypsyguitar.de/downloads/gg-downloads/fakebook_django_2008.pdf
together? Good for you!
Nate Najar
Aug 13, 2012, 5:03:11 PM8/13/12
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On Saturday, August 11, 2012 12:43:46 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
thanks and thanks and ever thanks!
Nate
unknownguitarplayer
Aug 14, 2012, 9:52:53 AM8/14/12
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What a cool book! Thanks, Gerry.
Peter
Aug 19, 2012, 9:09:55 PM8/19/12
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In article <fba41e07-ab7b-4363...@googlegroups.com>,
Gerry
Thanks so much for posting this!
Peter
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Gerry
Thanks so much for posting this!
Peter
--
Almost 800 compositions online - two of them don't suck:
http://www.acmerecords.com/l3_sheetmusic.php
www.mrgullible.com
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 9:38:11 PM8/19/12
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On 2012-08-20 01:09:55 +0000, Peter said:
> In article <fba41e07-ab7b-4363...@googlegroups.com>,
> unknownguitarplayer <unknowngu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What a cool book! Thanks, Gerry.
>
> Gerry
>
> Thanks so much for posting this!
Com muito prazer!
> In article <fba41e07-ab7b-4363...@googlegroups.com>,
> unknownguitarplayer <unknowngu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What a cool book! Thanks, Gerry.
>
> Gerry
>
> Thanks so much for posting this!
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