help w/ Raezors edge cab
guita...@earthlink.net
Guitar sound most important, my guitar is a Heritage Sweet 16 archtop.
Portability is somewhat of an issue as I dont like lugging huge cab's
around. Something that could handle vocals as well would be best. Rich
Raezer recommended the Twin 6 but I have not heard much about it. I
like the sound of he AI Coda R as well but not crazy about the downward
speaker. any suggestions out there? I play straight ahead jazz and some
intricate fingerstyle. Howard alden meets Barney kessel w/ a bit of
Chet Atkins thrown in. Clean clear and warm...thanks.
guita...@earthlink.net
jdah...@uiuc.edu
amp with
2 6" speakers in it and it does a nice job for vocals in a small room.
I bet
Rich's Twin 6 is a Grand Slam Home Run....I just bet...
danny...@cox.net
See this thread for some thoughts about the Coda:
Although the woofer on the Coda fires downward, the midrange and
tweeter face forward. The built-in lift leg eliminates the need for an
amp stand.
As a follow up, after a couple of years of using the Coda for all my
rehearsals and many of my gigs, I recently replaced it with a Clarus
SL-R and a Raezer's Edge NY 8, mostly because I prefer the RE sound. I
really love the sound of this rig, but it is a bit less convenient than
the Coda. I still use an RE Twin 8 Tower ER and Clarus 2R II for
bigger gigs. I'm hoping to see a NY 8 ER from Rich Raezer soon.
Danny
guita...@earthlink.net
edge cabs? There is a Coda R in my local shop but i am thinking that
the Clarus RE may be a bit more versitile. how does the NY 8 compare
with it? Rich Raezer recommended the twin 6 to me, i'm temped but
havent heard any other feedback on it and there is nowhere here in
Boston to check one out.
Peter Grey
sound than my T8, but isn't quite as warm (but then the T8 is the King of
warm...). It's better for my nylon string guitar than the T8. It still
sounds very nice for straight ahead stuff too. And, it's small and light
which is a Good Thing.
I use the T6 with a Polytone MiniBrain which to my ears is warmer sounding
amp than the Clarus. I would think that for your style the T6 would be a
very nice fit.
Peter
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danny...@cox.net
guita...@earthlink.net wrote:
> so how does the speaker on the coda compare in sound to the raezers
> edge cabs? There is a Coda R in my local shop but i am thinking that
> the Clarus RE may be a bit more versitile. how does the NY 8 compare
> with it? Rich Raezer recommended the twin 6 to me, i'm temped but
> havent heard any other feedback on it and there is nowhere here in
> Boston to check one out.
>
>
I though the thread I referenced had this comparison in detail.
I haven't played a T6 myself yet. I have a T8-T ER, S12 ER and NY8. Any
of them sounds great with any of my guitars.
The Coda sounds fine too, but compared to the RE's, it's a bit more
restrained, a little dryer and has less impact. I think the RE sounds
"lusher" (more lush). Probably what audiophiles call "euphonic
coloration", but I think this is a good thing in a guitar amp.
Danny W.
Skip Moy
included is the Acoutic Image Coda R and the amp line ranging from the 1R ,
2R, Focus, And SL-R
The coda R as you know has 3 drivers. This gives you a full range of tone
which can handle anywhere from acoustic gtrs to vocals. Comparing apples to
apples You would probably want to audition a RE- S-12ER or even a S-10ER to
It. In our listening tests I feel that the RE cabinets offer a warmer ,
rounder , more "organic" tone over the more "clinical" tone of the Coda R.
I attribute this to the differences in cabinet design , port structure and
the choice of inner components. The RE cabinets also seem to be "louder "
and project in a more focused direction (forward facing, full freq. speaker
design) over the downfiring woofer design of the Coda R which I prefer.
For archtop playing ( routed in and floating pickups) I normally use the
Clarus with any one of the RE cabinets we have here. Its a tonal preference.
The Coda R is frequently used to amplify ,or act as a near field monitor,
for "acoustic type instruments" such as flute, violin, acoustic grand piano
. It is normally used as a part, in conjunction with a P.A. system. For
archtop gtr , upright bass and vocals I would normally add a 12ER speaker to
compliment it ; connecting the additional speaker for greater volume,
increased headroom and increased punch that I feel it needs.
I have just ordered a twin 6 so I cannot comment on this unit yet. But From
other 6 " cabinets that we have here , I noticed a smoothness that I find
pleasing for the archtop gtr. The bass is not so boomy and the top end seems
to be extended a little further out to give more clarity. If the Twin 6 is
similar in nature then I think Rich will have another winner on hand. For us
portability,and power to weight ratios are also important issues.The Twin 6
seems to fit the bill. I can let you know my impressions on the twin 6 in a
few weeks from now.
Skip
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now for me it's down to that cab w/the clarus vs the coda r
thanks, karen
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Jeff Lange
between the T8, T6, NY8, 6/8 ER and Coda R with a customer using a Clarus
2R. Between the T6 and T8, the T8 is warmer and dare I say somewhat fuller.
The T6 has a more balanced tone but not as punchy as the T8 or NY8. Skip,
your guesses are correct. The T6 is another excellent cabinet. Although I
am speculating, the T6 may be a better choice for nylon string as it is warm
but more balanced than a T8. Nice size and 4 ohms is also a plus when
compared to the NY8 and 6/8. When tested, the T6 was better couple (sitting)
on the floor for the room we were in and the guitars (all hollowbodies).
Compared to the Coda, the difference in range was apparent but not always
welcome. I've never sung through an RE cabinet and would welcome
experiences. The one thing we did conclude is that all these cabinets
sounded good, period. However, given the ability to A-B, the differences
became apparent.
More testing to come.
Jeff Lange
www.JazzSelect.com
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> Skip, pleas post a review of the twin 6 as soon as you hear it. Right
> now for me it's down to that cab w/the clarus vs the coda r
>
> thanks, karen
>
>
If you're around the San Francisco area, you're more than welcome to come
listen to mine.
Peter
markr
Peter Grey wrote:
> I use the T6 with a Polytone MiniBrain which to my ears is warmer
sounding
> amp than the Clarus. I would think that for your style the T6 would
be a
> very nice fit.
>
> Peter
====================
Peter, Is there a significant difference in sound quality between the
clarus and the Minibrain when playing through the twin 8? I'm probably
in the minority, but I found the Clarus to be rather dry sounding. How
many watts does the MiniBrain have?
thanks,
Mark R
guita...@earthlink.net
probably buy either one of these just for the portability option. which
was warmer?
thanks, karen
Peter Grey
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Mark,
You are in the minority I suspect, but we're in it together. ;) I found the
Clarus dry sounding as well. As a result of some trades I owned both a
Clarus 1R (with the modded tone stack) and a MiniBrute head. I spent a
couple of weeks comparing them through a T8 and an S10. I liked the power
of the Clarus, but to my ears it wasn't as warm as the Poly.
I sold the Clarus to a bass player and sold the MegaBrian and bought the
MiniBrain, which in retrospect turned out to be a mistake (no more powerful
than the Mega Brute with annoying tone controls). I occasionally wish for
more power than the Poly produces (the label says 75 watts), but I still
prefer its sound.
Peter
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the 6/8-ER? I'm interested in an accurate acoustic sound but also on
occasion to play electric archtop with a less "clinical" sound.
Thanks.
Clyde
Dave Stephens
vocals) would be if you could mount it on a pole to get it up enough to
really project the vocals into the room. For guitar only, they're roughly
the same, IMHO.
Dave
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Dave Stephens
exactly the same way about the MiniBrain vs. Clarus.
My absolute favorite is the Clarus SL-R. It's got the flatness of the other
Clari, but with more breath in the attacks.
All the Polys, IMHO, are a little thick in the midrange and don't sound as
natural on nylon-string or steel-string flat top. The guys (and gals) that
prefer the MB use it for archtop with a midrangy sound.
Dave
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markr
enough headroom.
-Mark R
Jack Zucker
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The 6/8ER is my favorite Extended Range RE cab. In comparison the T6 is a
little thin in the bass and the S12ER is slightly bloated (unless you stuff
the ports with socks and get it way up off the floor). Both the T6 and 6/8ER
are good on the high strings, but the 6/8 has more richness and fullness on
the bottom strings. The efficiency is close for both. I haven't run into
anyone yet that didn't like the 6/8ER, but some think the T6 is too "dry."
If you've heard the Coda R, that's the closest thing to the T6. I would
think that the T6 would be excellent with female vocals, but I haven't
actually tried that application.
When weight is not a concern, like in my living room, I love the NY8 and
6/8ER together for archtop and I use only the 6/8ER for nylon.
Dave
Dave
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>exactly the same way about the MiniBrain vs. Clarus.
>
> My absolute favorite is the Clarus SL-R. It's got the flatness of the
> other Clari, but with more breath in the attacks.
>
> All the Polys, IMHO, are a little thick in the midrange and don't sound as
> natural on nylon-string or steel-string flat top. The guys (and gals) that
> prefer the MB use it for archtop with a midrangy sound.
>
> Dave
I agree with your comments about the Poly for nylon and flat top. It IS
"mid rangy", which I like when used with an archtop. If I was using the amp
exclusively for nylon and flat top, I might go with the Clarus.
Peter
acous...@verizon.net
6/8ER together with the NY8 (I have a Clarus SL-R), it's suitable for
electric archtop where a little more warmth is desirable?
Clyde
Mark Kleinhaut
Dave Stephens wrote:
> Well, I can talk about these two.
>
> The 6/8ER is my favorite Extended Range RE cab. In comparison the T6
is a
> little thin in the bass and the S12ER is slightly bloated (unless you
stuff
> the ports with socks and get it way up off the floor). Both the T6
and 6/8ER
> are good on the high strings, but the 6/8 has more richness and
fullness on
> the bottom strings. The efficiency is close for both. I haven't run
into
> anyone yet that didn't like the 6/8ER, but some think the T6 is too
"dry."
> If you've heard the Coda R, that's the closest thing to the T6. I
would
> think that the T6 would be excellent with female vocals, but I
haven't
> actually tried that application.
>
> When weight is not a concern, like in my living room, I love the NY8
and
> 6/8ER together for archtop and I use only the 6/8ER for nylon.
>
> Dave
>
> Dave
I'm with Dave on this about the 6/8ER, it's magnificant. I also find
pairing it with the S-12 is a huge sound for playing large halls- the
extra articulation of the ER offers up the best stage sound I've ever
had. I'm really done buying gear (for now::))
Dave Stephens
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that are a little less ambitious, the 6/8ER -- NY8 combination gives a
really fantastic stage sound. The main advantage of going to the S12 is more
efficiency, but the NY8 will cover you in most situations.
Dave
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Greger Hoel
wrote:
>Mark is an extreme sound hound
Lemme guess: you feed him Pedigree Pal only?
>(and I admire him for that).
Mostly for his shiny coat, eh?
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But on the floor, the bottom end was just right.
The problem with reviews as they relate to sound, it subjective. I believe
the 6/8 is a great cabinet but I feel the T6 is more balanced. I am not a
fan of extended range cabinets although I appreciate the tone. My guitar
has a floating mini humbucker with surprising low end. I am also a fan of
AI cabinets such as the Contra EX. I tend to think of AI as a full range
cabinet while the RE is an instrument/style specific cabinet. I do agree
the T6 may be "dry" next to the T8 but we've already established that the T8
and its lonely brother, the NY8, are more dynamic. The real problem is that
different ears/different guitars/different rooms make different opinions
when we're talking about subtle nuances.
I was home with the sick child today so I could not continue my testing.
Tomorrow, I will try vocals through the cabinet although I am loosing the
6/8 to a new home in WI.
Jeff Lange
www.JazzSelect.com
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Skip Moy
like for you to try out for your opinion.
Skip
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Unknown
wrote:
>The main advantage of going to the S12 is more
>efficiency, but the NY8 will cover you in most situations.
>
>Dave
Dave:
Pardon my ignorance. What exactly does the word "efficiency" mean in
the above sentence?
Tim
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guys?
Peter
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Mark Kleinhaut
Greger Hoel wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:12:34 GMT, "Dave Stephens" <dcs...@swbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Mark is an extreme sound hound
>
> Lemme guess: you feed him Pedigree Pal only?
>
> >(and I admire him for that).
>
> Mostly for his shiny coat, eh?
>
> --
WOOF............:)
Dave Stephens
97dB at one meter with one watt, while the S12 might give 99dB a one
watt-meter. It's easier to get loudness with more efficient speakers than by
adding watts at the amp.
Dave
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> Dave, I have to disagree. With the T6 off the ground, the low end was
> weak. But on the floor, the bottom end was just right.
Agreed, for guitar. This thread indicated a potential use for female vocal.
For that, I think you may want it off the floor. Maybe Skip Moy has used it
in that application, if so, what do you think Skip?
Dave
joemont...@hotmail.com
experimenting now with NY8 + S10 into Clarus 1R...I have a fairly large
studio room, soundproofed but not on a "pro" level - NY8 in one corner,
S10 in the other...I walk around the room playing guitar and what I get
is a kind of non-localized sound, even standing in front of one or the
other...no direction, it's just "there."
It is a different sound entirely from using either cab on it's own...
Still trying to put words into what I think I'm hearing...
Efficiency, Saturation, more Punch maybe ---very even volume from
either speaker...and real clarity (I feel) thru the LOW INPUT as
opposed to HI input.
I see it as a great benefit when spread out on a stage and no PA mixing
or sound guy...I place one cab on the other side of drums and hope
whoever's over there likes it enough not to unplug me!..
Now the only question is which cab would I rather hear? <grin>
Tough call...
JM
Dave Stephens
tonal balance.
You mentioned you studio, are you miking out in the room with a single mono
mic, or what? I could see that working well, but generally I'd probably just
mic one or the other, unless you're trying to get a lot of ambiance. Have
you tried a stereo chorus in that setup?
Dave
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Unknown
wrote:
>It's relative loudness with the same input. For instance, the NY8 might give
>97dB at one meter with one watt, while the S12 might give 99dB a one
>watt-meter. It's easier to get loudness with more efficient speakers than by
>adding watts at the amp.
>
>Dave
>
Thanks.
Skip Moy
Although it worked I missed hearing the tweeter , Saying that I know that
Diane Hubka uses a twin 8 for her vocals. I think Rich installed an Ultimate
cup on the bottom of the spk. which allows the twin 8 to sit on a speaker
stand.
The S-12ER, at this time is still my favourite "all round guitar amp /single
vocal ,one cab, mini system."
IMO I'm not too concerned about the bass response for vocals in a Twin 6 as
it is easy to dial it in if not enough. Most mics that we use ( Shure Beta
58, Audix OM-5) have proximity effect built in anyway.( bass response
increases as you get closer to the mic) I am interested to hear how the
upper freq response feels like. The T6 goes to about 8k which may be ok.
Typically with the 12ER I use a little tweeter , just enough to get the
crispiness which I find most people like. With the Coda R sometimes I switch
the tweeter in , but it really depends on the voice and the mic we are
using. I'll give you my impressions when I get the T6 next week
Skip
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Dave Stephens wrote:
> The NY8 and S10 are VERY close cousins. There's isn't a big different
in
> tonal balance.
Dave,
That explains why I like both of them so much!!! <grin>
And since I now have a 10' speakon to speakon via Jeff Lange, I'll
slave out the NY8 and keep the S10 ovr by me!
>
> You mentioned you studio, are you miking out in the room with a
single mono
> mic, or what?
I was just walking around listening to them unmiked --
I had an S 12 and sound guys were always asking me to roll of the
bottom end...10 or 8 much better for me.
and that NY8 for portability...yeah! finally, after a Vox Super Beetle,
a Super Rev. with 4 jbls, a mesa boogie in an anvil flight case, and a
twin rev. with jbls...
awright!
JM