what shall we discuss next
Jimmy Bruno
any thoughts? What about how little kids learn music in grade school? I
often thought that if you got a young kid around the age of 7 and started
developing his ear and at the same time explain to him what he was hearing (
a little theory) what would you get? I monster musician... I think
Mr.Will
I started playing around age 8, with classical lessons. There I was taught to
read, get "clear" notes, play in position, have relaxed hand technique, do
listening tests etc. I think it helped ALOT with playing, but its a double
edged sword. As a kid, you take it in just like you take anything else in -
maybe it was just me, but the level of conciousness and interaction just wasn't
there like it is now. Therefore alot of the time you can't explain things to
yourself or to others, you "just do them". I mean, its like someone saying "how
do you breathe" or "how do you blink" - you "just do it".
Also - because of learning the guitar at an early age, a kind of musical
immaturity developed - ie patience to sit down and actually learn something
that didn't just come as easily as breathing or blinking (and there is ALOT of
that). Really I had to take that three or four years out and come back to the
guitar after having studied djembe and percussion, otherwise I doubt I'd have
moved on. Not technically or ability wise, but mentally and in life in general.
I guess this is what I was referring to when I mentioned following the heart
and the balance between that and technique.
BTW - see you in August yes? At the jazz school!
Mr.Will
Jazz guitar and great photos
www.mr-will.co.uk
Willie K.Yee, M.D.
wrote:
>Any ideas???? What about how little kids learn music in grade school?
Well, just to ruin your day, the local school system where our band
director works, just cut out ALL of the elementary music education
from the budget for next year.
Out director, who works in the middle school music program, has been
late to rehearsals lately, working on his resume. How good can the
middle school program be if there is no elementary school program to
feed it?
Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://www.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org
Steve Modica
My kid is taking suzuki piano. He's 4. The biggest problem is keeping
him interested. He loves to sit down and play. In fact, he plays much
more interesting stuff now. He actually presses keys to make notes,
rather than just pounding on the keyboard. However when it comes to
getting him to practice hand position, or songs out of the book, he gets
bored.
Steve
Mitch Seidman
...And, with some luck, I'll be retired by the time he's starts
playing gigs!! Actually, many think that's a good time to start
developing someone's musical "hearing". Even if they have trouble
with the physical aspects of some instruments, they tend to be less
musically biased (i.e. concerned about what their friend's like to
listen to), and fearless('You ever watch a child ski?). they can even
just use their voice!
Nice topic Jimmy...Enjoy your days off!
Mitch Seidman
Doc
understand them is clouded by the media. They listen to TV and
radio, DVDs, and whatever that mostly has head banging music on it.
If you can get young children to listen to more complex harmonies it
would help. How many remember the radio we listened to back in the
50s when we heard Elvis and Holly mixed with Brubeck and Cole.
Unfortunately today we don't have this much of a choice. Most kids
are going to listen to what ever the rest are. I think if you try to
lay a b7 on a major7 and tell them it's a cool sound, they will
think your nuts.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION
--
Doc
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Tom Walls
says...
that David Liebman does it best in his book "A Chromatic Approach to Jazz
Harmony/Melody". I think it should be subtitled "How to get a sound like
this"
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/
Dan Adler
I try to do that with my daughter (7). We play Copy Cat:
http://www.alfredpub.com/copycat.html#top
both on the computer and on the keyboard trading roles. We do "simon
plays" (grown-up word: dictation) and stuff like that. It's really a
shame that they don't teach ear training in a more organized way at
this age. They soak it up the same way they soak up reading and
spelling - it's totally effortless and natural and playful. There's a
great site about teaching children piano (and music). Lots of stuff
there to learn for grown-ups as well.
Steve Modica
(only one or two generations old) and society just hasn't developed a
tolerance yet. Eventually, the large number of channels and things like
digital TV recorders will get rid of the problem. You watch.
We have a replayTV and we just record a very few shows. The ones we
really like. Because of this, any time we sit down, there's a copy of
our favorite show to watch (so we don't browse). The replaytv skips
commercials automatically. So it takes us about 20 minutes to watch a 30
minute show.
Steve
Billg...@attbi.com
I have a student I started with when he was 9 (maybe 8). I found it very
difficult to teach so young. So it was all about keeping it fun and easy in
the beginning. He is now 13 I've spent the last two years making sure we
just play at the end of each lesson. The goal at that portion of the lesson
is to get him to play by ear. So now I find it pretty exciting. He can
play the head to a handfull of standards (no real up tempo or bebop yet!)
and he can somewhat navigate around (improvise) in a tune if we discuss key
areas or key of the moment. But the point is while I have worked with him
on basics like reading, straight comping, major scales, triad arpeggios and
a little music theory and all MAINLY the emphasis is to play by ear. I have
tried to get him to solo using pentatonics as a choice of notes or on some
occasions to think diatonically in another or tell him to play an Eb major
scale and then I'll play any mode related to that BUT what worked more is
talking about soloing as a conversation. That has worked well. I am amazed
how far he's has come. Nobody did this with me I wish somebody had!
. So after all this blah blah where do I go from here to continue to with
the "hearing" portion?
So I'm VERY interested to hear thoughts about learning to hear
sorry this is such a ramble
Bill G
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Jimmy Bruno
music programs... at least out side of Philly
Jimmy Bruno
Soemtimes I think we all should learn that way
> From: Steve Modica <smo...@attbi.com>
> Organization: AT&T Broadband
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:44:44 GMT
> Subject: Re: what shall we discuss next
>
Jimmy Bruno
you anymore...... just kidding
> From: noah...@yahoo.com (Mitch Seidman)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com/
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
> Date: 20 Jun 2002 05:21:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: what shall we discuss next
>
Jimmy Bruno
interested in music to start with... I think you can get a young kid to
learn the sounds he is hearing. I have a friend, who sometime reads this
group, but he has taught his son perfect pitch. He started when the boy
was around 7. I think he is ten now and he can name any note or group of
notes on the piano or any other medium
> From: "Doc" <guitarm...@trimcrafters.com>
> Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
> Reply-To: "Doc" <guitarm...@trimcrafters.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:36:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: what shall we discuss next
>
Jimmy Bruno
> From: Steve Modica <smo...@attbi.com>
> Organization: AT&T Broadband
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:10:09 GMT
> Subject: Re: what shall we discuss next
>
Jimmy Bruno
what someone else has played... you may have everything you need to make
music. I remember when I first heard Giant Steps. I thought wow what is
this shit. I grabbed my guitar and started playing back the first two bars
of the solo then the next 4 etc... I loved the sound. Soon I was able to
use it(hear it) in other tunes. I always had a good ear and could play back
anything I heard. Listening to Coltrane and others like Oscar Peterson
etc... I had to get my technique up to their level. I did that by
practicing scales and arpeggios But if I couldn't hear things instantly I
would have given up . So when I teach a lot of what I do is to get a
student to associate a sound with a finger or picture on the guitar. That
was the whole purpose of my fingering book to keep the same sounds on the
same fingers. I have kept the choices to a minimum. when he fingerboard
becomes clearer in your mind, it doesn't matter what finger you use, or in
what position. It becomes possible to shift on any string and you are
inside one of the pictures. That's why a sax player or piano layer, they
have fixed notes, always can hear faster and read better than most
guitarist. Just imagine if you only had one position on the guitar and that
was it. It would become so easy to play anything
> From: <Billg...@attbi.com>
> Organization: AT&T Broadband
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:00:30 GMT
> Subject: Re: what shall we discuss next
>
Nazodesu
<d...@danadler.com> wrote:
I think your example is an example of how to produce a person
interested in music, quite possibly a musician. The basic
component--do it with mom and dad and your sibs. It seems the one key
phrase in the great musicians interview is "Oh, there was always music
around the house when I was a kid..."
Ellen & Thornton Lewis
when they were five.) On one it made no impression, the other can sing
harmony with me now, and plays the flute. I also have jazz on all the time
at home. At least they're familiar with the music, and the younger may
become, like me, a lifelong amateur. Which, frankly, I would prefer to her
becoming a scuffling pro. Thornton
Joe Finn
>
> Well, just to ruin your day, the local school system where our band
> director works, just cut out ALL of the elementary music education
> from the budget for next year.
>
> Out director, who works in the middle school music program, has been
> late to rehearsals lately, working on his resume. How good can the
> middle school program be if there is no elementary school program to
> feed it?
Even in a fully funded public school program problems abound. Especially
where jazz is concerned. Many such programs are deficient in terms of the
development of the rhythm section instruments since they are often set up
and run by brass and woodwind guys. The stage bands they put together often
have some decent horn players and a woefully inadequate rhythm section. My
point of view is that the rhythm section is the what drives the stage band.
Without a decent rhythm section the band will only develop so far.
The horn players get private instruction from an early age through the
school district and develop quickly into good readers. Some can even
improvise a little. Their contemporaries on piano are generally classically
oriented and have yet to learn chord symbols, repertoire or improv. The
guitar and bass guitar players are usually self taught rock guys who can't
read and the drummers are mostly atrocious.
I've been working with some rhythm section kids in my area. They don't get
what they need from the local school districts. For many of them it's the
first time they have had a chance to work with an instructor. I'm very happy
to be able to help to fill this void and the kids are fun to work with too.
....joe
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Lawson Stone
ji...@jimmybruno.com wrote on 6/20/02 2:38 AM:
HEre's one. What do you guys think of compulsory practice? Our 3 kids have
all taken music lessons at some time, from generally good teachers. My wife
wants to demand a certain amount of practice every day, and I have said that
if the lessons aren't generating enough enthusiasm to carry the kid through
the week, practicing because they are enjoying it, then the teacher is not
doing the job. She knows that perseverance, discipline, and hard work are
needed for success; I know that music is for most a "take it or leave it"
thing that a kid who is forced will just not pursue.
So anybody have an opinion on this?
BTW I'm posting this also on a separate thread in case other ideas get put
here.
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Lawson Stone
ji...@jimmybruno.com wrote on 6/20/02 10:35 AM:
> Hey Steve... I know a little about that method... it works very well.
> Soemtimes I think we all should learn that way
I know a guy who is making a splendid living teaching guitar lessons on
something sort of like Suzuki. It's called "Childbloom" and he gets young
kids in groups of 3 oe 4 for a lesson, and in the beginning it's all
ensemble playing. He can't handle the demand he's getting, and his students
are sticking with it and enjoying it, plus he's making a very fine (but not
opulent) living doing this.
This is a national kind of franchise thing, and there is info at
I don't know if my friend's success is due to the program, or due to his own
considerable gifts and passion as a teacher (this is a huge factor though)
but it seems to be working well, and the kids are learning to play.
Thom_j.
over to my place so I can learn all you know by the end of the week.
Per chance you dont remember I am about 30-40 minutes from you :)
A Teachable thom_j.
P.S. when you're done the billable amount check will be in the mail :)~
Thom_j.
that kids of today are hit with 'i.e. ads, mtv, movies, etc. etc. they
have a harder time just sitting down to learn, & practice?
Everything that I hear about kids is all "here & now" in their little
semi-processed minds. If they can't do it right away they split &
go play nintendo or something..
my 2c thom_j.
"Doc" <guitarm...@trimcrafters.com> wrote in message
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Wound3rd
>An addendum Doc, dont you also feel that with all the media blitz
>that kids of today are hit with 'i.e. ads, mtv, movies, etc. etc. they
>have a harder time just sitting down to learn, & practice?
>Everything that I hear about kids is all "here & now" in their little
>semi-processed minds. If they can't do it right away they split &
>go play nintendo or something..
>my 2c thom_j.
>
It ain't just kids.
Ever tune in to CNN Headline News and see how much info is available at any
given time?
Lots of stations are running crawls which promo upcoming shows.
End-of-show credits are now squeezed into an unreadable box while upcoming
shows are promoted.
....And these are not kids shows. TV doesn't want to take the risk that adult
mindspans aren't all that long either.
Ever notice too that the "canned laughter" seems to now be run through a
limiter causing all reactions to be the same in dynamics and content no matter
how funny or not-funny the script is?
OK, I'm done.
Bob
Jimmy Bruno
so experienced teacher a kid may not want to practice. I think music is
something you either want to do or not. I was practicing 5 to 6 hous a day
when I was 12 or 13 and didn't realize it. OF course it help that my
parents ere musicians and there was music in my house 24 hours oa day. I
also had an instant answer from my father if I couldn't hear something. he
had great ears. I played him petroushka once when I was 16. he picked up
the guitar and emulated almost the whole thing. First time through. as kid,
that's all I worked on was hearing...then when I heard hank Garland johnny
Smith, parker , Coltrane , stitt, Peterson, I knew I had to get my chops
together. My father didn't have tons of chops. Anyway... if a kid wants to
practice he will on his own. Maybe if you let it go for a while he/she may
come back to it on their own
> From: Lawson Stone <lawson...@verizon.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:36:19 GMT
> Subject: Re: what shall we discuss next
>
Nazodesu
<lawson...@verizon.net> wrote:
> My wife
> wants to demand a certain amount of practice every day, and I have said that
> if the lessons aren't generating enough enthusiasm to carry the kid through
> the week, practicing because they are enjoying it, then the teacher is not
> doing the job.
Quite possibly. On the other hand kid's time needs to be directed.
They may not be inclined to spend an hour a day on it--assuming they
are the one that picks and chooses activities. But once it's foisted
on them they enjoy it. And once the "habit" is set they'll police it
themselves.
But I also agree that being practice cop is not the way to go. I also
think that if they grouse about taking lessons, in conjunction with
being disinclined to practice, maybe you need a new teacher.
Doc
music in the media at all. I think as a parent or grandparent we
should try to except the stuff the kids are into also. I can see the
art in some of the things that they like, in fact I like some of the
singing groups and Alicia Keys is great. I cant see many kids
getting into be-bop or David Liebman.
--
Doc
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Jurupari
>wants to demand a certain amount of practice every day, and I have said that
>if the lessons aren't generating enough enthusiasm to carry the kid through
>the week, practicing because they are enjoying it, then the teacher is not
>doing the job.
Just the teacher? Under those circumstances I could never in good conscience
take a job teaching a student. I do the best I can to provide motivation and
interest, but there's no way I could guarantee it's enough to ensure
practicing, much less make it enjoyable, which appears to be a condition you've
set to qualify a teacher.
In an adult, we can maybe relate to football practice or track or something
that was enjoyable but grueling and physical as practice is to a youngster. It
hurts your fingers or lips or whatever until you toughen up, for example.
Professional educators have remedies to ensure cooperation with homework and
study assignments. As a teacher in the private sector I wouldn't want any part
of that.
She knows that perseverance, discipline, and hard work are
>needed for success; I know that music is for most a "take it or leave it"
>thing that a kid who is forced will just not pursue.
As a kid I studied cello, piano and trumpet. I loved playing, hated lessons.
In that case a little imposed discipline can work because the motivation is
there, but there are lots of scenarios.
>
>So anybody have an opinion on this?
that was mine.
Clif Kuplen
Jimmy Bruno
year old daughter listens to it all the time... and the Spice irls had a
good band as well.
I hate to admit this on this group but when I want to just relax and listen
to some music and have fun.... I listen to the oldies... all that 50's stuff
I really like. Also, I can listen to Willie Nelson sing a ballad any day
of the week... Total feel... nothing else... but I enjoy it
BB KING too. wow !
how did I get on this anyway..... here's a few more
Bonnie Rait... I think she has one of the best feels I've ever heard in any
style of music. And I mean her guitar playing. All the stuff Vinnie Bell
did on a lot of those 50's hits. The tune with the sitar solo is great. "
Hooked on a feeling"?
Love the Spiral Staircase hit "More today than Yesterday" and the tune
Vehicle" don't remember the group.
And my all time favorite "Venus' don't know why. my father played on that
one and a few others. I may have been in the studio the,n my father used to
say, because I would have been too young to remember the tune. but I still
like it.
Would love to hear about what non-jazz or non-serious music anyone listens
to. Bad choice of words... let's not go there ...(what is serious music and
what is not)
> From: "Doc" <guitarm...@trimcrafters.com>
> Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
> Reply-To: "Doc" <guitarm...@trimcrafters.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:30:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: what shall we discuss next
>
Max Leggett
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:53:38 GMT, Jimmy Bruno <ji...@jimmybruno.com>
wrote:
>And my all time favorite "Venus' don't know why. my father played on that
>one and a few others. I may have been in the studio the,n my father used to
>say, because I would have been too young to remember the tune. but I still
>like it.
>Would love to hear about what non-jazz or non-serious music anyone listens
>to. Bad choice of words... let's not go there ...(what is serious music and
>what is not)
>
I think what you're saying, Jimmy, is that there are only two kinds of
music - good music and bad music - and that stylistic differences mean
squat. As well as jazz, I'm a major Bach fan, the Everly Brothers are
great, and Dwight Yoakum kicks ass. As does everyone you listed. And
serious music is what the listener perceives to be serious [just to
boldly go where no sane man has gone before].
Thom_j.
the thread about our youngins'.. thom_j.
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Mark Guest
Do you do arrangements/derangents of any oldies? I'm planning to do so (60's
are my oldies). Lorne Lofsky has a Monkees tune (I'm a Believer) on one of
his CD's. Phil deGruy does "My Girl" and "Woolly Bully". If you can make it
sound good, then it's good music. (Is that safe to say around here?)
--
Mark Guest
JazzerWB at JahWho dot com
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Doc
oldies.
If it's done well it's good. I have always loved playing R&R it's
fun and if
it's a good band people love it. For my own head it's Jazz and the
farther
out it is the better I like it.---I'm Gone man
Doc
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RalphPatt
Just imagine if you only had one position on the guitar and that was it. It
would become so easy to play anything>
And that Jimmy, is the reason I went to the major third tuning 35 years ago
(well, maybe "anything" is not "easy").
For a discussion of the pro and cons of the major third tuning see my web site:
Ralph
Jimmy Bruno
think about music too much
> From: mleg...@NOSPAMsprint.ca (Max Leggett)
> Organization: Sprint Canada Inc.
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:03:55 GMT
> Subject: Re: what shall we discuss next
>
>
Jimmy Bruno
concord didn't think it was such a good idea.
Nazodesu
<jazzerw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Do you do arrangements/derangents of any oldies? I'm planning to do
> so (60's are my oldies). Lorne Lofsky has a Monkees tune (I'm a
> Believer)
Daydream Believer.
> on one of his CD's. Phil deGruy does "My Girl" and "Woolly Bully". If
> you can make it sound good, then it's good music. (Is that safe to
> say around here?)
There are many pop tunes that have enough fiber to sustain jazz
playing. Some of those Philidelphia International Thom Bell/Linda Creed
things are excellent material. I won't share titles--they're destined
for my first album! One I was really working on yesterday, sung by Cuba
Gooding SENIOR; "Everybody Plays the Fool (Sometime)" totally works
with a Wes feel. Grant Green killed with "Betcha By Golly Wow" also a
PI tune. Wilton Felder fantastic on ebass on that one.
The idea of taking significant pop tunes and using them as raw material
for jazz (just like Bird and Rollins and Miles in their respective time
periods), is one of the subjects of the "New" LA Jazz Scene post I put
put up this morning.
Bob Russell
ji...@jimmybruno.com wrote on 6/20/02 3:53 PM:
> Would love to hear about what non-jazz or non-serious music anyone listens
> to.
George Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Bjork, State of Bengal, Bebel Gilberto, Led
Zeppelin, Stanley Brothers, the Campbell Brothers, for starters.
Jimmy, when you say "Venus", you mean Frankie Avalon, not Shocking Blue,
right?
-- Bob Russell
http://www.bobrussellguitar.com
Adam Bravo
suppose, but over here, hardly anybody who took the elementary school class
continued to play on their instrument. When they got to junior high and
could rehearse every day, practice at lunch, etc., that's when it started to
work. I'm not advocating the budget cuts by any means; I'm just not sure how
much the elementary programs help the junior high.
"Willie K.Yee, M.D." <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 06:38:50 GMT, Jimmy Bruno <ji...@jimmybruno.com>
> wrote:
> >Any ideas???? What about how little kids learn music in grade school?
>
> Well, just to ruin your day, the local school system where our band
> director works, just cut out ALL of the elementary music education
> from the budget for next year.
>
> Out director, who works in the middle school music program, has been
> late to rehearsals lately, working on his resume. How good can the
> middle school program be if there is no elementary school program to
> feed it?
>
> Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://www.bestweb.net/~wkyee
> Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
> Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band
http://www.bigbluebigband.org
>
Thom_j.
but I dont turn my boob tube until atleast midnight & not even then
at times I am really into 'playing' with a CD, or even the radio. One
thiung about my area is we have great jazz' tv channels and a super
jazz' station that anyone can get off the net WRTI. Yes, Jack I like
your friends station too as I listened more lately, and you are right!
Still. if I'm playing I do not put the tv on at all but I do have music
running 24/7, even while I sleep, which isnt often..
my 2c thom_j.
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icarusi
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> Any ideas???? I have a few more days to kill. How 'bout you guys?
Joey,
> any thoughts? What about how little kids learn music in grade
school? I
> often thought that if you got a young kid around the age of 7 and
started
> developing his ear and at the same time explain to him what he was
hearing (
> a little theory) what would you get? I monster musician... I
think
We got quite a lot of early musical education of a 'doh-ra-me' type
and listening to pop classics and singing folk tunes and hymns. We got
the 'dots' at 11 onwards, then instruments, but it wasn't until I'd
hard the early Stones, Yardbirds and others that I *really* was
inspired enough to want to play myself.
When I was a kid and most tunes we used were diatonic I used to think
of half tones as sideways notes. The diatonic notes were stacked on
top of each other, but a half tone up was right of the stack and a
half tone down was left of the stack. I still like that idea although
it doesn't really work.
Icarusi
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Jimmy Bruno
adn Led Zepplin
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Michael Suh
What're your thoughts on the feasibility of developing a good ear in
adulthood? Seems everyone agrees that there's no replacing getting an early
start, but do you think it's possible for those who start playing music
later in life to have any real chance of getting to be a good musician?
Another way of approaching this question may be to ask whether a good ear is
an innate trait. If it is, the benefit of starting early would seem not as
decisive a question: you would be good no matter when you start.
What do you think?
in article B936F236.45C7%ji...@jimmybruno.com, Jimmy Bruno at
ji...@jimmybruno.com wrote on 6/20/02 2:38 AM:
Michael Suh
time I saw you perform was at the Blue Note in New York on Halloween. Ever
since I moved out here from New York I feel like I'm missing out on
everything.
Joe Finn
> Would love to hear about what non-jazz or non-serious music anyone listens
> to
T. Graham Brown, Steve Allen, old time Dixieland stuff and lots of Sinatra,
Tony Bennet and other younger singers like Krall and Connick. In the car I
listen to the easy listening station, country or classical. In the kitchen I
leave the classical station on all the time. ...........joe
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Nazodesu
<ji...@jimmybruno.com> wrote:
> Would love to hear about what non-jazz or non-serious music anyone listens
> to.
Latin musics, up now is Charanga Habanara, and some recent stuff by
Joao Bosco.
Revisited some Woody Guthrie last month after a long conversation about
him with a friend.
Got bit hard by a collection of tunes by Etta James. Holey moley can
she torque a ballad. Her "At Last" melts me. She delivers every line
with it's own personality, like Ray Charles. Every phrase gets a
special and unique stroke of it's own. There are, of course many jazz
players who do this. Fewer with each passing day. Turrentine in his
better recordings does this; "They All Say I'm the Biggest Fool"
illustrates perfectly. Holly Cole's "Girl Talk" ditto. Oops. Am I
back in jazz? Only barely.
It's such a pleasure to hear a great vocalist interpret a melody and
lyric.
But the truth is, as "non-serious" stuff goes, I listen to it quite
seriously. :-)
Florian Schmidt
> Would love to hear about what non-jazz or non-serious music anyone
> listens to. Bad choice of words... let's not go there ...(what is
> serious music and what is not)
>
arrr, one of my favourite questions :)
i like to listen to reggea, especially to
linton kwesi johnson
bejamin zephenia
peter tosh
bob marley (one hell of a songwriter)
macka b
mad professor
bookshelf soundsystem (this is more ragga-stuff)
then there's hiphop:
the roots
a tribe called quest
jeru the damaja
redman
mc solar (check the early "prose de combat". great album)
soon e mc
krs one
run dmc
all the old stuff
beasty boys.
then there's electronic music (as opposed to just electronic dance music,
this is _serious_ stuff):
luke vibert
all the ninja tune acts
aphex twin (if you haven't seen his windowlicker-videoclip you really
missed something)
funky porcini
kruder & dorfmeister
well, funk music is cool, too.. besides:
some pop music..
classic..
african music...
cuban music
brazilian music..
those weird japanese bands (like tokyo 5)
techno music..
house music..
what i can't stand is music which is not produced for the cause of good
music but _only_ for commercial success. i wouldn't listen to britney, if
you gave me 1$ per listening.. another thing is german "native" folk music.
that sux soooo bad. umpa umpa umpapa!! i must puke when i see it in
television and there's 12000 old people listening to some shit music and
clapping on 1 and 3.. argh..
and you?
--
florian schmidt
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http://www.arted.biz/mista.tapas
smooth
Schmidt's post;
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:53:38 +0200, Jimmy Bruno wrote:
>
> > Would love to hear about what non-jazz or non-serious music anyone
> > listens to. Bad choice of words... let's not go there ...(what is
> > serious music and what is not)
> >
What do you think of Guru's Jazzmattaz ?
Comming from the rapscene, the first album (feat. Mc Solaar, Ronny
Jordan, Courtney Pine and others) opened a new world to me.
> what i can't stand is music which is not produced for the cause of good
> music but _only_ for commercial success. i wouldn't listen to britney, if
> you gave me 1$ per listening.. another thing is german "native" folk music.
> that sux soooo bad. umpa umpa umpapa!! i must puke when i see it in
> television and there's 12000 old people listening to some shit music and
> clapping on 1 and 3.. argh..
Then you have never heard the (only on vinyl) 12" remix of Das
Schlagerfestival :O))
--
Mike
Johnny Asia
wrote:
I love Bach too but it makes me
>think about music too much>>
That's similar to what Joe Zawinul said. Back in the 70's
I got to hang out backstage at the first Weather Report gigs in
Greenwich Village, and afterwards at Bradley's.
The one thing that stuck in my mind was Joe Z carried
a small boombox, and right after the gigs, and while
sitting around at Bradley's, he played Beatle tapes,
CSNY and other 60's rock. I was amazed at first,
asking in astonishment "You're a Beatles fan??"
He said he had to listen it to relax, and
stop thinking about music. I had incorrectly assumed
that he would have been too "hip" for that.
+
Johnny Asia and the Woodstock Quantum Ensemble
live at the Knitting Factory, NYC:
http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/2404/2404397.html
Jimmy Bruno
Pick on fingering or pitch collection or one position on the guitar.. you
can start with a major scale or any other scale. Extract all the arpeggios
that are in the scale. Make short melodies that land and stay on a
specific note o f a chord. You have to start with static harmony at
first(chords that don't move) maybe take a C scale) try playing lines that
revolve around the root,,, then try the 3rd, 5th etc till you get all 7.
Try all the notes a 1/2 step below each partial then try 1/2step below and a
diatonic note above which will usually be a whole step./ You need to do it
SLOW. try landing on a note outside the scale and then resolve it to an
inside tone. you can put other notes in between the outside note and the
note of resolution, you need to do it real slow and MOST important.... stay
in one position. use the same fingers for the same partials always. There
are five place to do this on the guitar as I see it. Once you can do that
5 times then you can start to play horizontally, I mean across the
fingerboard not up and down. If you do it right you will see that you can
move up or down on any string and be inside on eof the five pictures. You
can make your own pictures of course as long as you stick with them I don't
think it matters. There is a lot to it but it can be done very easily.
Transcribing can work for some people. after a while you will be able to say
"Oh , I know that sound...it's the 3rd fo the chord etc..
I like to do it with the guitar... that way I can kill two birds with one
stone. Now I don't have to write it down and now I know where that sound is
on the guitar and under what finger. I think it gets harder when you get
older because you don't have the time to spend. But take one note every two
weeks. that's 24 weeks for all twelve... bad news is that it will only be
over one chord. Try a min7th a dom , a maj7th and a min7-5. It is easier
to show you this than it is to write about it
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Jimmy Bruno
other dates will get added to it
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Jimmy Bruno
a friend and I can't believe how well she handles all this sucess. Love her
playing and singing.... nice lady
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Jimmy Bruno
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Jimmy Bruno
should at least be familiar with the lyrics if they are going to play those
type tunes. I think it also helps phrasing tunes with no lyrics. Phrasing
a melody is a lost art. I don't hear any of the newer guys doing anything
in that direction at all
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Jimmy Bruno
know from your list
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Thom_j.
your .pdf of "Six Essential Fingerings"? Or is it more about
the finger patterns you use? 6V2, 5V2, 6V4, 5V4 & into the
"Hs" and so on? thom_j.
"Jimmy Bruno" wrote:
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Nazodesu
<pope_ab...@Xyahoo.com> wrote:
> Joe Z carried a small boombox, and right after the gigs, and while
> sitting around at Bradley's, he played Beatle tapes, CSNY and other
> 60's rock. I was amazed at first, asking in astonishment "You're a
> Beatles fan??" He said he had to listen it to relax, and stop
> thinking about music. I had incorrectly assumed that he would have
> been too "hip" for that.
I'm unsure if this relates:
I saw an interview with novelist Joyce Carol Oates. She said that
while working on a novel she couldn't allow herself to read fiction,
because she was so tuned to her ongoing project that the other fiction,
it's characters or situations, would inevitably work it's way into her
own.
So instead she read purely non-fiction and the more arcane the better.
The interviewer asked her what she was reading during her current
project and she said it was a book on tropical water-born deseases. She
went on to discuss a few hideous cooties that can infect the feet and
rot your brains out.
The only way she could avoid the art in fiction was to confuse the
matter with pure information. I wonder if the Beatles provided the same
off-axis distinction from music proper.
Nazodesu
<ji...@jimmybruno.com> wrote:
Jimmy do you know where the return key is on that Mac?
Sometimes it makes things so much easier for folks to read if you put a
couple of double-spaces in there.
No offense. Can you imagine 32 bars of unbroken 8th notes without a bar
of rest?
Nazodesu
<ji...@jimmybruno.com> wrote:
> I do listen to a lot of Sinatra and bennett. Lately, dianna Krall. see's
> a friend and I can't believe how well she handles all this sucess.
If she's a friend of yours I'd love to know what working with Claus
Ogerman and Tommy LiPuma was like...
Florian Schmidt
> I like Bob Marley from the little I have heard but that is the only name
> I know from your list
Well, i suppose, one might call this the generation gap. I started playing
guitar at age 15 (1990) or so, but never knew what i was doing and i was
too lazy to listen to my ears. I just played some fingerings. Then at age
17 or so i got into techno (man if you've never been to a techno club and
felt this hours long heartbeat-frequency-matching 1-2-3-4 pulse which
drives you just mad if you let go and get it, you missed something).. Well
i started using the computer for making some music and in the course
discovered quite a lot of new music, since i had my ears opened by then.
I suppose your musical influences lie some few more years back.. I don't
wanna make wild guesses about your age, but jazz was pop music once, too
;)
There's loads of shitty electronic music. loads of shitty rap music..tons
of shitty reggae and sadly, shiploads of bad classical music.. But in
every style there's some gems (except for german "volksmusik" which is
completely undiscussable ;)
oops, i forgot.. man there's bad jazz out there, too.. probably even at
the same ratio like in any other style (except for, err.. german
volksmusik)..
So what it comes down to.. err, do i have a point? yeah.. If you have some
filesharing program installed, i would suggest you start a search on some
of these acts i listed in my previous post, you'll surely find something,
and maybe you like it :)
Jay Vyas
> I have thought about doing a jazz version of some of the oldies tunes but
> concord didn't think it was such a good idea.
>
I just picked up an album by Bobby Broom, called "Stand", where he
plays some songs that were a part of his life when he was younger, in
a "jazz" style. I find it a very fresh and deep album. Too bad
Concord didn't think it was a good idea for you...
I'd go nuts to hear you play greasy blues/soul jazz in an organ trio
format - maybe you could run that by Concord? :-)
With regards to kids (I have a 5.5 year old son, and a 2.5 year old
daughter) - mine are exposed to pretty much all music - rock, blues,
oldies, children's music, jazz, classical, you name it if it's good we
listen to it. About a year ago I asked my son what he wanted to
listen to. He said "jazz". I put on a jazz album, and the first song
was a blues, and he said, "Dad, that's blues, I asked for jazz!".
Totally blew me away. He is not a musical prodigy in any way (a chip
of the old block!), but I guess since he is exposed to it all the
time, and we talk about it, he picked up on it, no big deal. We have
some friends who are into cooking and food, and their son at three
years old, when asked if he wanted spaghetti for dinner, if he was
served some other kind of noodle, he'd say, "Hey, that's not
spaghetti, that's penne!". Again, I think it's because his folks were
into it, and didn't dumb it down for him.
Jimmy - Hope you make it out to Northern California soon!
Jay
Johnny Asia
wrote:
>
>> Joe Z carried a small boombox, and right after the gigs, and while
>> sitting around at Bradley's, he played Beatle tapes, CSNY and other
>> 60's rock. I was amazed at first, asking in astonishment "You're a
>> Beatles fan??" He said he had to listen it to relax, and stop
>> thinking about music. I had incorrectly assumed that he would have
>> been too "hip" for that.
>
>I'm unsure if this relates:>
>matter with pure information. I wonder if the Beatles provided the same
>off-axis distinction from music proper.>>
Yes, that's very similar to what Joe Z said. He also said it helped
him to unwind from the intense music that went through his
mind during the gigs.
There was some very intense music going on then, back in
"the best days of the band" (Joe Z's words), when Miroslav Vitous
played bass.
Jay Vyas
> In article <B937AC7E.46B4%ji...@jimmybruno.com>, Jimmy Bruno
> <ji...@jimmybruno.com> wrote:
>
> > Would love to hear about what non-jazz or non-serious music anyone listens
> > to.
>
Ivan "Boogaloo Joe" Jones
Gotten into organ trio type stuff recently - Tony Monaco, Joey D, some
of the older funky albums with Benson on guitar, i.e, Lonnie Smith
I guess lots of guitar oriented heavy rock - UFO, Joe Satriani, Steve
Vai, Deep Purple, Vinnie Moore, Jason Becker, old Journey (Neil Schon
is so under-rated), early Van Halen, Jimi Hendrix
Paul Butterfield Blues Band (Michael Bloomfield blows me away...)
Anything Motown with James Jamerson on the bass!
Jimmy Bruno
above the starting or ending notes of the scale and you get what I call a
pitch collection or a place to choose notes
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Jimmy Bruno
intermediate improvisers should start by hearing... later, if you need to
know what you are playing get a good book. I have found the elementary
texts by Piston a good place to start.
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Jimmy Bruno
listening to will creep into the tunes or the recording
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:17:32 GMT
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>
Jimmy Bruno
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> Date: 21 Jun 2002 07:40:02 -0700
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Jimmy Bruno
two line answers now they are too long.
Kinda of like the music biz. You can't make them all happy.
Is this what you mean.
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> From: Nazodesu <mus...@adelphia.net>
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Jimmy Bruno
at a festival etc. she is on the road constantly
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Jimmy Bruno
comercial music 'till I was in high school. Both my parents were musicians.
The only thing I heard in my house was jazz and a lot of jazz vocalists. I
never heard the Beatles play anything till I was 16 and went out with this
girl who loved them. "she Love you Yeah yeah yeah" I hated that tune. Bu
the things we all do for ... well you know the rest of that sentence..
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Nazodesu
<ji...@jimmybruno.com> wrote:
> No... but I will look for it. Before guys would complain about my one or
> two line answers now they are too long.
>
> Kinda of like the music biz. You can't make them all happy.
>
> Is this what you mean.
>
>
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Far be it for me to tell a stylist about style, but yeah. Your answers
aren't too long, they just needs some formatting.
First, in most news readers you needn't hit the return key, it will
wrap lines for you naturally.
the ellipses (...) may seem hip... may seem to feel like they're
injecting a conversational pause... but they don't READ like a pause
though...they read like one long sentence... especially if you never
capitalize... and you're never sure... where the hell does this thing
ends or where to look for something... like the subject or the name he
was trying to remember... or did he change topics or is this one
sentence...
Just use a period. Ellipses don't READ like a pause, but a comma does.
For communication my view is that ellipses and parentheses suck.
Ellipses because you don't know where you are anymore and parentheses
(even though it's true the can be useful) are just a reverse-engeered
sentence that should have been written differently (did I say that
right), or a way of interrupting yourself (not always the best thing).
Easier to read a sentence in order. It's not always the most
understandable thing to interrupt yourself. It's much easier to write
the way you think though, it's true.
At the end of a related series of ideas you hit the return key twice.
And at the end of a sentence you put a period so people will know
you've finished rather than had a power outage.
My views all. But isn't this easy to read?
Tom Walls
pope_ab...@Xyahoo.com says...
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:17:32 GMT, Nazodesu <mus...@adelphia.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Joe Z carried a small boombox, and right after the gigs, and while
> >> sitting around at Bradley's, he played Beatle tapes, CSNY and other
> >> 60's rock. I was amazed at first, asking in astonishment "You're a
> >> Beatles fan??" He said he had to listen it to relax, and stop
> >> thinking about music. I had incorrectly assumed that he would have
> >> been too "hip" for that.
> >
> >I'm unsure if this relates:>
>
> >The only way she could avoid the art in fiction was to confuse the
> >matter with pure information. I wonder if the Beatles provided the same
> >off-axis distinction from music proper.>>
>
>
> Yes, that's very similar to what Joe Z said. He also said it helped
> him to unwind from the intense music that went through his
> mind during the gigs.
>
> There was some very intense music going on then, back in
> "the best days of the band" (Joe Z's words), when Miroslav Vitous
> played bass.
>
>
and Airto on drums. Definitely my favorite period for this band.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/
Johnny Asia
wrote:
>> There was some very intense music going on then, back in
>> "the best days of the band" (Joe Z's words), when Miroslav Vitous
>> played bass.
>> >>
>
>and Airto on drums. Definitely my favorite period for this band.
>--
>Tom Walls
>the guy at the Temple of Zeus
>http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/>>
early gigs. His improvisations were something to behold,
he was like a man possessed. Later, the band seemed to
lose it's spark, it was about 18 months after those gigs,
after Weather Report got famous, at a gig in CT, that Joe Z. said the
thing about "those were the best days of the band",
talking about those early gigs.
Cornell....hmmmm.....maybe Joe Finn and I can
recruit you for one of our Woodstock events?
We always have lots of fun.
Joe Zawinul's Fender Rhodes stuff I heard at those
early Weather Report gigs inspired the tune below.
( along with some Phillip Glass & a touch of Bitches Brew)
Jimmy Bruno
appreciate the tips. I thought that this thing automatically wrapped the
lines.
> From: Nazodesu <mus...@adelphia.net>
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:56:58 GMT
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Lawson Stone
ji...@jimmybruno.com wrote on 6/20/02 2:38 PM:
> I don't think it is a good idea to force a id to practice. even with a not
> so experienced teacher a kid may not want to practice. I think music is
> something you either want to do or not. I was practicing 5 to 6 hous a day
> when I was 12 or 13 and didn't realize it. OF course it help that my
> parents ere musicians and there was music in my house 24 hours oa day. I
> also had an instant answer from my father if I couldn't hear something. he
> had great ears. I played him petroushka once when I was 16. he picked up
> the guitar and emulated almost the whole thing. First time through. as kid,
> that's all I worked on was hearing...then when I heard hank Garland johnny
> Smith, parker , Coltrane , stitt, Peterson, I knew I had to get my chops
> together. My father didn't have tons of chops. Anyway... if a kid wants to
> practice he will on his own. Maybe if you let it go for a while he/she may
> come back to it on their own
This is my view Jimmy. But I'm really trying to turn this matter over as
many different ways as I can. The wife differs, and she's a smart lady with
a lot of drive of her own, so we're really working over this issue when we
aren't doing other more fun stuff.
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Lawson Stone
juru...@aol.com wrote on 6/20/02 3:29 PM:
>
> Just the teacher? Under those circumstances I could never in good conscience
> take a job teaching a student. I do the best I can to provide motivation and
> interest, but there's no way I could guarantee it's enough to ensure
> practicing, much less make it enjoyable, which appears to be a condition
> you've
> set to qualify a teacher.
>
Thanks for that comment. I think maybe I have been too demanding in my own
mind. I have few choices, in our small town, there are only a few teachers,
and the one we have is very kind, able, and all that.
I guess as a teacher myself (not music) I feel an obligation to work as hard
in the affective domain as in the other domains of instruction, and
sometimes music teachers don't seem to feel any obligation to inspire.
But surely you're right, the teacher alone can't be held responsible for
that.
Lawson Stone
ji...@jimmybruno.com wrote on 6/20/02 3:53 PM:
> hey you know... I like the band that plays behind Brittany Spears. My 12
> year old daughter listens to it all the time... and the Spice irls had a
> good band as well.
> I hate to admit this on this group but when I want to just relax and listen
> to some music and have fun.... I listen to the oldies... all that 50's stuff
> I really like. Also, I can listen to Willie Nelson sing a ballad any day
> of the week... Total feel... nothing else... but I enjoy it
> BB KING too. wow !
What a week. Huge fights, monster flames, and now Jimmy Bruno admits he
likes the band that plays behind Brittany Spears.
This is historic.
Frankly, if I got to be behind Brittany Spears while she was dancing, I'd be
inspired too!
Lawson Stone
jazzerw...@yahoo.com wrote on 6/20/02 4:35 PM:
>
> Do you do arrangements/derangents of any oldies? I'm planning to do so (60's
> are my oldies). Lorne Lofsky has a Monkees tune (I'm a Believer) on one of
> his CD's. Phil deGruy does "My Girl" and "Woolly Bully". If you can make it
> sound good, then it's good music. (Is that safe to say around here?)
I was going to try a chord-melody arrangement of "Ma-na-ma-na" remember
that?
Lawson Stone
ji...@jimmybruno.com wrote on 6/20/02 5:19 PM:
> I have thought about doing a jazz version of some of the oldies tunes but
> concord didn't think it was such a good idea.
Hey Joe Pass did Hank Williams, both early (Mosaic boxed set) and late.
Then there was "Stones Jazz"
I'm still looking for that record
Jimmy Bruno
classical musicians, that say thank God my parents made me practice.
a student at the University actually thanked me a few years after he
graduated for breaking his balls about making him practice everything and
every tune in all 12 keys.
> From: Lawson Stone <lawson...@verizon.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:52:20 GMT
> Subject: Re: what shall we discuss next
>
Jimmy Bruno
thing. I don't think they sold very well
> From: Lawson Stone <lawson...@verizon.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:00:09 GMT
> Subject: Re: what shall we discuss next
>
Mark Guest
Hmmm...jazz versions of bubble gum music. Don't let Kenny G get hold of
this.
--
Mark Guest
JazzerWB at JahWho dot com
"Lawson Stone" <lawson...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Wound3rd
I just wanted to be able to hang out with you guys and act cool.
Wait til I tell my friends!
Bob
Bob Russell
woun...@aol.com wrote on 6/21/02 2:37 PM:
> I really have nothing intelligent to say.
> I just wanted to be able to hang out with you guys and act cool.
> Wait til I tell my friends!
LOL! Sure you don't wanna flame somebody?
-- Bob Russell
http://www.bobrussellguitar.com
Thom_j.
I'm gonna give myself a "gold star" for the day..haha :)
a swollen headed thom_j.
P.S. this old fert learns from both Joey G & Jimmy B.
Onto the dim7th of Pat Martino soon..lol
"Jimmy Bruno" <ji...@jimmybruno.com> wrote in message
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Tom Walls
pope_ab...@Xyahoo.com says...
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:42:43 -0400, Tom Walls <tw...@REMOVEcornell.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >> There was some very intense music going on then, back in
> >> "the best days of the band" (Joe Z's words), when Miroslav Vitous
> >> played bass.
> >> >>
> >
> >and Airto on drums. Definitely my favorite period for this band.
> >--
> >Tom Walls
> >the guy at the Temple of Zeus
> >http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/>>
>
> Joe Z. played Fender Rhodes and acoustic piano at those
> early gigs. His improvisations were something to behold,
> he was like a man possessed. Later, the band seemed to
> lose it's spark, it was about 18 months after those gigs,
> after Weather Report got famous, at a gig in CT, that Joe Z. said the
> thing about "those were the best days of the band",
> talking about those early gigs.
>
> Cornell....hmmmm.....maybe Joe Finn and I can
> recruit you for one of our Woodstock events?
> We always have lots of fun.
>
> Joe Zawinul's Fender Rhodes stuff I heard at those
> early Weather Report gigs inspired the tune below.
> ( along with some Phillip Glass & a touch of Bitches Brew)
>
> +
I'd really enjoy that if I was at all nearby; unfortunately, Ithaca's
several hours away. The Knitting Factory clip brings Terry Riley's "In
C" and "Curved Rainbow in Thin Air". I like what you're doing on guitar,
especially on that section about sixteen and a half minutes into it.
Thom_j.
is play along with just about anything I am listening too, you
fast fingered guyz are too fast for me but if the tempo is abit
slower I'll do almost ok, but my chord/melody is not where
I want it yet. 'i.e. I feel it stinks or as we say here, its crap. :)
"Jimmy Bruno" <ji...@jimmybruno.com> wrote in message
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Tom Walls
tw...@REMOVEcornell.edu says...
Whoops, I meant to say...
"The Knitting Factory clip brings Terry Riley's 'In
C' and 'Curved Rainbow in Thin Air' to mind. I like what you're doing on
Thom_j.
were not *rock* '.i.e. norwegian wood, day in a life, rocky
racoon, all you need is love and so on. I never understood
how so many 'odd forms' of music came out of basically
2-4 guys.. To me it was intriguing, my 2pence :) thom_j.
"Jimmy Bruno" <ji...@jimmybruno.com> wrote in message
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Johnny Asia
>> Joe Zawinul's Fender Rhodes stuff I heard at those
>> early Weather Report gigs inspired the tune below.
>> ( along with some Phillip Glass & a touch of Bitches Brew)
>>
>> +
>
>I'd really enjoy that if I was at all nearby; unfortunately, Ithaca's
>several hours away. The Knitting Factory clip brings Terry Riley's "In
>C" and "Curved Rainbow in Thin Air". I like what you're doing on guitar,
>especially on that section about sixteen and a half minutes into it.
>--
>Tom Walls >>
Thanks Tom, that means a lot to me. That part, at 16:30, is where
I start to have my fun.
That recording was the very first gig of the band I started this
past winter with Gus Mancini. Gus taught at NYU, and started the first
jazz workshop at Brooklyn Consevatory, and has played countless gigs
for 40 years.
The flute player, Sean Schulich, had premiered a
composition for flute and piano at Columbia U. that night, then
hopped in a cab to the Knitting Factory. I had never met him
before that night, Gus invited him down to join us. At the begiining
of the tape, you can hear Gus telling Sean what key it's in etc.
We'll be recording this summer, we worked on the music since
then. Joe Finn came down and played with me and Sean
one time too. I wish we had taped that session!
We have a gig next month, in Kingston, NY
Joe Finn, me, Gus, Sean and Karl, the bass player.
Wound3rd
>From: Jimmy Bruno ji...@jimmybruno.com
> "she Love you Yeah yeah yeah" I hated that tune. Bu
>the things we all do for ... well you know the rest of that sentence..
I'm 48 also and it was not til recently I really gained a respect for that
song. I've heard it a billion times but one can still hear stuff "for the first
time" anyway.
Lyrically it ain't great but the production on that thing is great.
Ya gotta remember to put that recording up against 1964 standards of pop.
We saw these guys on Ed Sullivan and although our parents were convinced it was
just noise (OK, I get it, now) WE JUST KNEW something special was happening.
My confession:
Yes, I have some of the "Have A Nice Day" CDs.
Lotsa memories from '76-'78!
Bob
Thom_j.
Wound3rd
>
>Hmmm...jazz versions of bubble gum music. Don't let Kenny G get hold of
>this.
>
>--
>Mark Guest
Too late.
Bob Russell
woun...@aol.com wrote on 6/21/02 3:57 PM:
That came out before I'd started playing. I didn't know anything yet about
harmony or whatever, but I knew those chord changes didn't sound like
anything I'd heard before on the radio. And that sixth chord at the end of
"yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah" killed me. Still does. "Help" absolutely destroyed
me. "Strawberry Fields" - aaauuugh! Words fail me.
Wound3rd
>
>-- Bob Russell
Yeah, but who else would think of taking two recordings in different keys and
putting them together?
It worked.
Bob
Bob Russell
woun...@aol.com wrote on 6/21/02 4:18 PM:
No, that's what I mean - if "Help" destroyed me and "She Loves You" killed
me, I can't even think of a word for what "Strawberry Fields" did to me.
Atomized me? Reduced me to a quivering puddle of protoplasm?
The combination of those guys and that time were pure magic.
Wound3rd
>The combination of those guys and that time were pure magic.
>
Yup.
Ever tried playing (in tune) along with revolution?
Just one of those cool little things they did just to amuse the guitar types.
Bob
ps.....years later I finally decided on a favorite B's tune.
It has to be Day Tripper!
Bob
Bob Russell
woun...@aol.com wrote on 6/21/02 4:25 PM:
On slow gigs, I often amuse myself by seeing how many ways I can work the
riff from "Day Tripper" into songs. Never fails to amuse me, anyway.
Probably pisses off anyone else who notices. C'est la vie.