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Michael L Kankiewicz

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Jan 12, 2005, 4:07:43 PM1/12/05
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Back in college (decades ago) I took a course on five-part sax writing.
The course was great, and I really did well in it. So over the years
things changed in my music career, but I'm now interested in arranging
some five-part stuff again. Two home moves and a marriage later, I can't
find my course materials. (I was meticulous about saving everything from
music school.)

Can anyone refer me to a source about five-part writing? A book? I
vaguely remember the basics, how to move the lines in parallel, keeping
the chromaticism true to the chord, but I'd really like to dig into this
in detail.

Thanks,
MK

tomb...@jhu.edu

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Jan 12, 2005, 4:15:25 PM1/12/05
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The Dick Grove "Arranging Concepts" book is first-rate on this. It's a
little
cryptic, but since it's a review for you I think it would be a great
source.

Nate Najar

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Jan 12, 2005, 6:36:11 PM1/12/05
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I really like Russo's "composing for the jazz orchestra" . It's a small
paperback i believe available from amazon.

Nate

alabaster

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Jan 12, 2005, 6:46:06 PM1/12/05
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"The Professional Arranger Composer" by Russel Garcia
"The Contemporary Arranger" by Don Sebesky

These are excellent books on arranging, mostly for jazz ensembles. They
both have extensive sections on saxophone arranging, in various numbers
and voicings. The Russo book that someone else mentioned is another
good resource.

You should also look at "Inside the Score" by Rayburn Wright, which has
full scores of a handful of big-band charts, with very detailed
annotations and analysis.

None of these books are specifically about "five-part sax writing," but
all have a portion dedicated to its techniques and voicings.

I know Sammy Nestico has an arranging books as well--perhaps you should
look into this.

Good luck,
chris.

Gerry

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Jan 13, 2005, 12:36:25 AM1/13/05
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In article <LviFd.7279$u47.207@trnddc09>, Nate Najar
<na...@natenajar.com> wrote:

> I really like Russo's "composing for the jazz orchestra" . It's a small
> paperback i believe available from amazon.

There's also another, much much larger book, by Russo on the topic.

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Mark Cally

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Jan 13, 2005, 10:19:53 AM1/13/05
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The best books I could recommend would be Russo's books "Jazz Composition
and Orchestration" (long) and "Composing for the Jazz Orchestra" (short).
They would tell you everything you wanted to know about writing 5 part
lines.

--
Mark Cally
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Gama

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Jan 13, 2005, 12:23:38 PM1/13/05
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Modern Jazz Voicings by Ted Pease and Ken Pullig.


On 1/13/05 10:19 AM, in article rlwFd.2918$so....@fe07.lga, "Mark Cally"

Gerry

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Jan 13, 2005, 7:51:07 PM1/13/05
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In article <rlwFd.2918$so....@fe07.lga>, Mark Cally
<mark...@charter.net> wrote:

> The best books I could recommend would be Russo's books "Jazz
> Composition and Orchestration" (long)

That's the book by Russo I was mentioning.

> and "Composing for the Jazz Orchestra" (short). They would tell you
> everything you wanted to know about writing 5 part lines.

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Michael L Kankiewicz

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Jan 14, 2005, 12:27:17 PM1/14/05
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Thanks for all of your suggestions. I was able to get every one of those
books at my library.

MK

Gerry

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Jan 14, 2005, 3:48:23 PM1/14/05
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In article
<Pine.GSO.4.05.105011...@hercules.acsu.buffalo.edu>,

Michael L Kankiewicz <mich...@buffalo.edu> wrote:

> Thanks for all of your suggestions. I was able to get every one of those
> books at my library.

Damn! Kicking it ol' school!

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acquaintance or a stranger.
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paul

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Jan 15, 2005, 1:48:47 AM1/15/05
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the nyc public library is great, I go there at least once a week. big
fan.

Gerry

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Jan 15, 2005, 12:34:23 PM1/15/05
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In article <1105771727....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, paul
<pcsa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> the nyc public library is great, I go there at least once a week.

Really? I thought they had been abandoned. I've lived the bulk of my
life within a block (and *twice* 1 or 2 houses from) the local library.

I'm always surprised that even students in universities try to find
things on the interent and failing that simply bail and move on to
other resources rather than walk the requiste 4 minutes to the library.

Most of the greatest books I've ever read, both fiction and non-fiction
on all topics, were encountere accidentally while hunting something
else in a library.

I went to the Main NYC library (42nd?) a couple of years back, into the
micro-fiche catacombs to find the 1957 phone book that housed my
family's address in Astoria, Queens. When I finally came across the
name of my father, gone some 35 years, in the telephone book, the hair
stood up on the back of my neck. I felt like I should actually call
the number. Very odd experience.

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paul

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Jan 15, 2005, 4:04:51 PM1/15/05
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the nyc library is greatest thing since sliced bread. you can reserve
online and get any book/cd/dvd you want delivered to your local branch,
you can renew online, they have automated kiosk check out so no waiting
in line to check out books, etc. a lot of people use it also, because
there are always millions of people there when I go.

plus they have a great music library near lincoln center where you can
get any score you want.

--paul

Don Judy

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Jan 15, 2005, 9:02:44 PM1/15/05
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"Gerry" <add...@domain.com> wrote in message
news:150120050934239514%add...@domain.com...

> In article <1105771727....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, paul
> <pcsa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > the nyc public library is great, I go there at least once a week.
>
> Really? I thought they had been abandoned. I've lived the bulk of my
> life within a block (and *twice* 1 or 2 houses from) the local library.
>
> I'm always surprised that even students in universities try to find
> things on the interent and failing that simply bail and move on to
> other resources rather than walk the requiste 4 minutes to the library.
>
> Most of the greatest books I've ever read, both fiction and non-fiction
> on all topics, were encountere accidentally while hunting something
> else in a library.
>
> I went to the Main NYC library (42nd?) a couple of years back, into the
> micro-fiche catacombs to find the 1957 phone book that housed my
> family's address in Astoria, Queens. When I finally came across the
> name of my father, gone some 35 years, in the telephone book, the hair
> stood up on the back of my neck. I felt like I should actually call
> the number. Very odd experience.
>
> --
Gerry,

A few years ago it seemed the local libraries were dying, no one there, the
internet was killing them. They've reinvented themselves with internet
access *and* their books, periodicals, reference and interlibrary loan.
Paper is being read again in great quantity. The library is hoppin'! And I'm
in a small town, very conservative with a college whose students of course
do not frequent the local library but their own.

dj -- library user and abuser since 1955


Gerry

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Jan 15, 2005, 9:57:17 PM1/15/05
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In article <1105820099....@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, paul
<pcsa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> plus they have a great music library near lincoln center where you can
> get any score you want.

Now that's news to me. Can you take them OUT? Or are you forced to
review in the library? If you can say where exactly it's named/located
that would be swell. Usually inter-library loans can secure some of
that stuff--I maybe able to put my hands on complete scores of some
stuff I'd really like to see.

ken

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Jan 15, 2005, 11:55:45 PM1/15/05
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Gerry wrote:

> Now that's news to me. Can you take them OUT? Or are you forced to
> review in the library? If you can say where exactly it's
named/located
> that would be swell.

It's called the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts. I'm
pretty sure you can take them out. I remember reviewing some scores
with someone that was borrowed from there.

What happens alot though is that they have copy machines on the floor
so you just copy what you want right there...

They also have a huge video/dvd library. I borrowed a bunch of the
jazz videos there, including some of the Ralph Gleason Jazz Casual
series.
Here's the link:

http://www.nypl.org/research/lpa/lpa.html

Ken

Gerry

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Jan 16, 2005, 2:24:47 AM1/16/05
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In article <1105851345.0...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ken
<kubo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks, duly noted.

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