New Dutch Prodigy!
charles robinson
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4207150030723270023&q=oscar+peterson
You can contact me privately for information as to where to send your axes:)
Charlie
Steven Bornfeld
I think his fingers are channeling space aliens through that computer
monitor.
Be afraid!!
Steve
k.e.maij
>###### asked me to post this:
>
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4207150030723270023&q=oscar+peterson
>You can contact me privately for information as to where to send your axes:)
Surprising and acrobatically, but I fear music is more then this.
I hope this young boy has his brain and soul connected to his
fingers. If so then be warned :-)
Would like to see more.
Sincerely
charlie
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kjs
stuff up there. I started it and then immediately got distracted by
something else going on. 30 seconds later....holy shit.
Listened a couple times. wow!
Ken
Phil T
frank
No need Charlie, I've already fed them into the wood chipper...
JP
No matter which way you carve it.
Hear obviously hears it. Probably transcribed it. And then got it down at
tempo.
You will be hard pressed to find a handful of players worldwide..at any
age..who can achieve this.
I congratulate him from the bottom of my heart on his talent and skill.
JP
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steinbergerstyler
amazing.
charles robinson
difficult falls into the realm of the possible but playing it up to tempo in
unison with Oscar is somrthing that almost defies comprehension. Think of
what he will be doing ten years from now!
Charlie
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hans van leeuwen
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Impressive enough. Onfortunately he doesn't name any jazz guitarists among
his favorites at his website, apart from fusionist Allan Holdsworth (that
should be enough for a start!). He's giving me the impression of a un-guided
missile: breathtaking speed but nobody knows where it will end. Fortunately
his talents are now coached at the Amsterdam Conservatory where he started
his studies in 2003.
Hans
k.e.maij
>SO unbelievable.
>No matter which way you carve it.
>Hear obviously hears it. Probably transcribed it. And then got it down at
>tempo.
>You will be hard pressed to find a handful of players worldwide..at any
>age..who can achieve this.
Don't you think that you're dazzled by the acrobatics?
There are many shredders around nowadays and much more musicians
can do this then just a handful. Its hard work and diligence but
not impossible.
I commend the work and the skills of this young man but I would
not overestimate this video.
I'd like to see something of its own stuff.
Sincerely
charlie
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charles robinson
do know is that he has chops to burn and impressive control of his
instrument, far beyond his years. Most people struggle for years to come
even close to that.Where it will all end up is anyones guess.
Charlie
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for 17 (his RH/LH coordination at that age is every bit as good as
Shawn Lane's was at that age). Also to me it was very joyful...look at
his glee when he nails it,that's a great thing !
daniel
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pmfan57
Holey moley!
Who said guitarists can't play like Oscar Peterson? I guess it must
have taken a lot of practice, like since he was 3!
hans van leeuwen
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> wow, a very impressive technical accomplishment for sure , especially
> for 17
He is 23 now.
danstearns
accomplishment for sure , even for 23 (wink
daniel
JP
Just great technique.
Shredding by metal players etc..where you have scalic runs at sauseam, and
sweep argeggios and tapping bits...most of it based on shapes a lot of the
time...often little musicality..(but sometimes great i have to say too
:)..but usually not.. IS a different thing to this.
Of course im not saying he's a great improviseor..maybe he is...but hes
young..and he's got a Oscar Peteson solo down..at tempo.
Thats rather impressive. Again..there wouldn't be many who could pull this
off.
And if he continues to do this type of thing...he sets himself up well to be
a great imrpovisor..if that is hwat he chooses to do.
It resonates with me cause i have jsut been transcibing OScars solo..rather
excepts from his Solo album...Live.
Came about cause ive done a lot of Joe Pass lately, and kept hearing these
great lines for Peterson that he uses repeatidly in ohter tunes (like all of
players)..and wanted to isolate a few.
And transcribing is hard enough...getting them underthe fingers is
harder...getting them at tempo is impossibble for me unless i change my
right had dramatically. Something im not preapred to do.
No i havent over estimated it i dont believe...Im not under any illussion.
It will ge wonderful to see him progress. But you never know...maybe, when
hes 5 years down the track..he might find he doesnt enjoy guitar and would
play basketball...lol
cheers
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> wow, a very impressive technical accomplishment for sure , especially
> for 17 (his RH/LH coordination at that age is every bit as good as
> Shawn Lane's was at that age). Also to me it was very joyful...look at
> his glee when he nails it,that's a great thing !
>
> daniel
That is what I got out of it, as well, Daniel. He was practically jumping
for joy at the end of that vid, and it was contagious. How could you not be
happy for him? If he takes that much pleasure in and shows that much joy
while improvising, he will certainly make some outstanding music, no matter
his technical abilities (which are obviously considerable).
Jon
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k.e.maij wrote:
> Surprising and acrobatically, but I fear music is more then this.
> I hope this young boy has his brain and soul connected to his
> fingers. If so then be warned :-)
Hi Karl,
The thing is we're judging his playing solely by this clip, which if
you ask me is really, really impressive on its own, but my guess is he
has other skills besides this. A few weeks ago I brought up the point
on the "America's Been Tough On Jazz" thread that more and more young
players are playing jazz than ever before, which brought out the usual
crew of hand wringing worriers lamenting that there were more jazzers
in 1945, jazz is declining, etc. Let's face it, when you have more
people on the planet (estimated currently at 6,502,053,595) coupled
with widespread jazz listening and education you're going to have a
more accomplished players just by virtue of sheer numbers. Not all will
be geniuses, but my guess is good young players will likely outnumber
us "old guys" by at least two to one in the next few years.
Clay Moore
Gerry
His name is Wim Den Herder, I believe.
> There is no gymnastiscs here.
> Just great technique.
That!
> Shredding by metal players etc..where you have scalic runs at sauseam,
> and sweep argeggios and tapping bits...most of it based on shapes a lot
> of the time...often little musicality..(but sometimes great i have to
> say too :)..but usually not.. IS a different thing to this.
The metalists they encompass a vast are of talents. But there is a
freedom available with modern gizmos that can turn a touch of note into
sustain, and aid the bite of attack immensely. I'm not saying it's
easy--it isn't. I can approximate it crudely. Holdsworth and DiMeola
and very real virtuosi. But if you shut down my circuitry, and those of
the lesser metal doods, you'll find that not many have the level of
accuracy that Wim has.
> Of course im not saying he's a great improviseor..maybe he is...but hes
> young..and he's got a Oscar Peteson solo down..at tempo.
> Thats rather impressive. Again..there wouldn't be many who could pull
> this off.
> And if he continues to do this type of thing...he sets himself up well
> to be a great imrpovisor..if that is hwat he chooses to do.
He's a modern Paganini, it seems. He has this mechanical capacity to
amazing flights, but that doesn't mean he can noodle his way through
Satin Doll, does it. Europeans, in my sentiment, have a greater focus
on matters "precise" and efficient in some ways. Django. Petrucianni.
Lagrene. Others.
Anyway, a lot of guys COULD sound like Metheny, say. And many have.
But that doesn't mean they have the improv chops, compositional chops,
guys who see a bigger picture. Scope. I sure hope Wim Den Herder has
these things. Mechanically, he's fucking SCARY!
> It resonates with me cause i have jsut been transcibing OScars
> solo..rather excepts from his Solo album...Live.
> Came about cause ive done a lot of Joe Pass lately, and kept hearing
> these great lines for Peterson that he uses repeatidly in ohter tunes
> (like all of players)..and wanted to isolate a few.
>
> And transcribing is hard enough...getting them underthe fingers is
> harder...getting them at tempo is impossibble for me unless i change my
> right had dramatically. Something im not preapred to do.
If all I had done since I was 12 was practice the Oscar Peterson solo
think that Wim did, I'd still never be there. We all have very
different talents. Does anyone what that recording was?
> No i havent over estimated it i dont believe...Im not under any illussion.
> It will ge wonderful to see him progress. But you never know...maybe,
> when hes 5 years down the track..he might find he doesnt enjoy guitar
> and would play basketball...lol
I'm with you. I'm excited about him like I haven't been about "new
talent" in a long time. We'll see.
--
What a day this has been, what a rare mood I'm in.
Gerry
> A few weeks ago I brought up the point
> on the "America's Been Tough On Jazz" thread that more and more young
> players are playing jazz than ever before, which brought out the usual
> crew of hand wringing worriers lamenting that there were more jazzers
> in 1945, jazz is declining, etc. Let's face it, when you have more
> people on the planet (estimated currently at 6,502,053,595) coupled
> with widespread jazz listening and education you're going to have a
> more accomplished players just by virtue of sheer numbers.
Fascinating point. Ties in to what I was saying on "aural" tradition,
in that our ability to point to any music anywhere now-a-days: more
potential enthusiasts have access to it all.
> Not all will
> be geniuses, but my guess is good young players will likely outnumber
> us "old guys" by at least two to one in the next few years.
From your mouth to God's ears.
JP
I actually have this recording.
ITs taken from midway through where the RS drops out.
I would never have chose to transcrible that!
Live in Russia. The clip has the title pop up at start btw.
At the end of the day..its musicality that will make the difference.
That's why im not fussed about changing my technique to be able to
accomplish what Wim does.
I dont have the time to do it as an "older" player. THere are more
important things to focus on.
The lesson here is Wes.
But...i sure wished i had progressed as he and had devloped such a
technique.
Cause it can only add.
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Gerry
> I actually have this recording.
> ITs taken from midway through where the RS drops out.
> I would never have chose to transcrible that!
>
> Live in Russia. The clip has the title pop up at start btw.
Okay then, "Oscar Peterson - Live in Russia". But what's the tune?
> At the end of the day..its musicality that will make the difference.
> That's why im not fussed about changing my technique to be able to
> accomplish what Wim does.
> I dont have the time to do it as an "older" player. THere are more
> important things to focus on.
> The lesson here is Wes.
We each chose our lessons. I can't do the Wim thing either. Nor will I ever.
> But...i sure wished i had progressed as he and had devloped such a technique.
> Cause it can only add.
JP
Just Friends...its in big letters at the start of the video lol
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Dan Adler
the left hand you almost can't hear any discrepancy, like not even a
milisecond off. It's comical that some armchair players find anything
negative to say about this except to marvel at this guy's talent and
practice ethic.
mr.lurke...@gmail.com
envy crowd busts out "yeah but he has no soul" ... "just gymnastics"
etc.
Tom Walls
d...@danadler.com says...
the truth -- are there really some guys here that play the armchair?
wimden...@hotmail.com
I was looking in my mailbox and then I saw some FANMAIL, which was
talking about this forum. Well this is amazing :) Thank you very much,
you're very positive :)
I would like to tell you about my attitude, the way to learn this solo.
Maybe it can help you get yourself further in your progress.
The guitarists interested check http://home.wanadoo.nl/denherder for
guitartab
(download program www.guitar-pro.com)
When I was learning this solo. It was summer, I just finished first
schoolyear and I had all the time in the world. I immediately started
transcribing this solo. This was my ultimate goal. Nothing else in the
world was important to me. Only sleeping and eating were some necessary
things to do. It took me 8 hours to transcribe the solo and memorise
it. Then it took me another 8 hours to get it on speed. Next day I
recorded the video. (I guess this was video take 15, the reason I was
so happy at the end)
The most important thing is to be soooooo sure that this is your
life-goal. Nothing can substract your attention from it! At the moment
this is your most important thing to do on earth. Make it big.
I started with this strategy when I was 15 year and I wanted to learn
the Judas Priest solo. I took a small run (2 seconds) and said to
myself "Wim you're going to repeat this untill you can play it the rest
of your life" After 1 year I was able to play this. I only practised
this for 1 year on the guitar.
Now I can learn this in 5 minutes, but that's only because of the 1
year I put into this. All the time you invest will pay you back later.
I got a mail from steve asking me for the guitartab. Steve good luck!
If you're interested in other musical projects and sounds you can check
http://www.wimdenherder.tk
if you want to hear the mario bros 1 on guitar see
http://media.putfile.com/mario-guitar-madness
anyway thank you! I will join the discussion and see you around
greetz
Wim
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Yeah, Wim--it sounds soooo simple!!
Steve
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pmfan57
Thanks for posting. Obviously you use combinations of picking
techniques, including consecutive picking (sweeping). How did you
decide on the fingerings? Did you revise them if the picking wouldn't
lay right?
mr.lurke...@gmail.com
Amazing stuff!
Gerry
> After 1 year I was able to play this. I only practised
> this for 1 year on the guitar.
I kinda thought that was the basic approach.
Gerry
> Jerry?
> Just Friends...its in big letters at the start of the video lol
Gerry.
I guess I was distracted... j:-)
Gerry
> It's comical that some armchair players find anything
> negative to say about this...
I must have missed the negatives statements.
Joe Finn
>> What is most amazing is that he is playing ALONG with OP and except for
>> the left hand you almost can't hear any discrepancy, like not even a
>> milisecond off. It's comical that some armchair players find anything
>> negative to say about this except to marvel at this guy's talent and
>> practice ethic.
That's great stuff. It's amazing to hear and you can't help but wonder what
he'll be doing over the coming years. He's off to a great start and I hope
he has a long and productive career ahead of him. .......joe
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pmfan57
I have heard that Mario theme WAY too many times around my house (often
for hours on end). Thanks anyway. I won't let my piano playing son
hear this. He might want to learn it.
Joe
Johnny Asia
>anyway thank you! I will join the discussion and see you around
>greetz
>Wim
Welcome, Wim! Fabulous playing, I wish you the best.
A word of warning, though. As I type, American guitarists are meeting
with Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, to see if we can get the
Netherlands declared to be a threat to US guitar security. If we are
successful, all Dutch guitarists will be rounded up and placed in
guitar terrorist detention camps, and forced to play nothing but
Cowboy songs for the amusement of our storm troopers. The guitar
terrorists will be interrogated and tortured with banjos until they
give up their secrets.
Johnny
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http://johnnyasia.info
Video: Johnny Asia and Phoebe Legere
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6131365090139922718
"I say play your own way. Don't play what the public wants. You play what
you want and let the public pick up on what you're doing even if it does take
them fifteen, twenty years." - Thelonious Monk
Max Leggett
yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 8 Mar 2006 07:50:57 -0800, wimden...@hotmail.com decreed:
>
>>anyway thank you! I will join the discussion and see you around
>>greetz
>>Wim
>
>Welcome, Wim! Fabulous playing, I wish you the best.
>
>A word of warning, though. As I type, American guitarists are meeting
>with Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, to see if we can get the
>Netherlands declared to be a threat to US guitar security. If we are
>successful, all Dutch guitarists will be rounded up and placed in
>guitar terrorist detention camps, and forced to play nothing but
>Cowboy songs for the amusement of our storm troopers. The guitar
>terrorists will be interrogated and tortured with banjos until they
> give up their secrets.
>
That's the first intelligent foreign policy I've seen from that lot.
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Without music, life is a mistake.
Freidrich "Hep Daddy" Nietzsche
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> On 2006-03-08 05:52:39 -0800, "Dan Adler" <d...@danadler.com> said:
>
>> It's comical that some armchair players find anything
>> negative to say about this...
>
>
> I must have missed the negatives statements.
Solid or laminated armchair?
thom_j.
> the truth -- are there really some guys here that play the armchair?
flip floppin' - slip slappin' - tip tappin' tee'...
k.e.maij
Does this give me the permission to write what I have written?
http://www.bebop.ch/rmmgj/Karl_E._Maij_-_Just_Friends_2_chorus.mp3
this is my own improvised shit. If you can do this, then lets talk
about the matter if not then please don't be so impolite.
BTW this is recorded with the Manuel Rodriguez Flamenco C3. Rhytm
is fingerstyle and solo with the pick. I did not know that this
classical axe has such a sound for pick playing :-)
tomb...@jhu.edu
k.e.maij
>It sounds like you have some experience with the gypsy style!
Oh yes. Beside others, I love this music :-)
mr.lurke...@gmail.com
And, no, I can't play like you. Nowhere near it.
k.e.maij
>There is no gymnastiscs here.
>Just great technique.
Undoubtable he has a great technique. But there is always a
gymnastics in such a work. I don't want to make some one wrong of
course. I'm very impressed by the reactions here to this video. I
personaly can not judge a book by a cover. So I would like to see
more.
>Shredding by metal players etc..where you have scalic runs at sauseam, and
>sweep argeggios and tapping bits...most of it based on shapes a lot of the
>time...often little musicality..(but sometimes great i have to say too
>:)..but usually not.. IS a different thing to this.
I don't think that those guys playing Pagannini and other high
technical stuff do something else. And there are many.
>Of course im not saying he's a great improviseor..maybe he is...but hes
>young..and he's got a Oscar Peteson solo down..at tempo.
>Thats rather impressive. Again..there wouldn't be many who could pull this
>off.
I think this is possible for more players as they think for
themselves. Stubbornness is the key. And there are many good
players around. I would say 3-4 people I know personally if they
really wanted to get this nailed.
>And if he continues to do this type of thing...he sets himself up well to be
>a great imrpovisor..if that is hwat he chooses to do.
Oh I wished he as a young man with this energy would do that.
>It resonates with me cause i have jsut been transcibing OScars solo..rather
>excepts from his Solo album...Live.
Oscar is good for guitar players anyway. I listen to him a lot. My
favourite record is "We get requests".
>Came about cause ive done a lot of Joe Pass lately, and kept hearing these
>great lines for Peterson that he uses repeatidly in ohter tunes (like all of
>players)..and wanted to isolate a few.
Yes these guys ase just out of this world. Musicians of the
century.
>And transcribing is hard enough...getting them underthe fingers is
>harder...getting them at tempo is impossibble for me unless i change my
>right had dramatically. Something im not preapred to do.
There is always a price to pay.
>No i havent over estimated it i dont believe...Im not under any illussion.
>It will ge wonderful to see him progress.
I don't think this is a illusion. But see it this way: It has to
do with Kung Fu or any other style of high concentration
exercises. He described it in his post. Its a matter of the mind
and not of the fingers. Fingers are following the mind and not
vice versa ;-)
>But you never know...maybe, when
>hes 5 years down the track..he might find he doesnt enjoy guitar and would
>play basketball...lol
Would be too bad but everybody has to find his own way.
k.e.maij
>Impolite? You're the one telling the kid he's not making music.
>And, no, I can't play like you. Nowhere near it.
It might be a wrong expression I've used but what he did has a lot
to do with music but is'nt the end product. We have seen a part
of the work which is used to make good music. And he is on a very
good way. Can you agree with this?
I think your outburst was a bit rough. I speak Swiss German and
english is still a foreighn language to me, just a bit leniency
please.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Your English is fine. (So is Wim's).
He sounds like a truly amazing young man, and certainly not a braggart.
With his apparently diligent and humble attitude, I'd bet he'll go far.
k.e.maij
>>>Impolite? You're the one telling the kid he's not making music.
>>>And, no, I can't play like you. Nowhere near it.
>> It might be a wrong expression I've used but what he did has a lot
>> to do with music but is'nt the end product. We have seen a part
>> of the work which is used to make good music. And he is on a very
>> good way. Can you agree with this?
>> I think your outburst was a bit rough. I speak Swiss German and
>> english is still a foreighn language to me, just a bit leniency
>> please.
> Your English is fine. (So is Wim's).
Thank you, I use Babylon http://www.babylon.com for words I don't
know.
> He sounds like a truly amazing young man, and certainly not a braggart.
Did not mention that. I was just wondered about the reaction of
some writers.
BTW I wish I had this chops in this age. Man my life would be
different now ;-)
> With his apparently diligent and humble attitude, I'd bet he'll go far.
Me too.
When I click on his website only a white page appears. Does this
mean I'm using windows?
Johnny Asia
decreed:
>Does this give me the permission to write what I have written?
>http://www.bebop.ch/rmmgj/Karl_E._Maij_-_Just_Friends_2_chorus.mp3
Yes! I like your playing, and your attitude.
Joey Goldstein
It's hard to tell how much the kid is into jazz or improvising though
from his other clips. But just to be able to play along with Oscar at
that tempo, with no clams...that's gotta teach you something about jazz
and about swinging, even if you don't want to be a jazz player.
Yikes.
charles robinson wrote:
>
> ###### asked me to post this:
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4207150030723270023&q=oscar+peterson
>
> You can contact me privately for information as to where to send your axes:)
>
> Charlie
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>
>
> Thanks for posting. Obviously you use combinations of picking
> techniques, including consecutive picking (sweeping). How did you
> decide on the fingerings? Did you revise them if the picking wouldn't
> lay right?
Well, I'll post the tab here (hope you can read it, it's supposed to be
displayed in Courier)
It's difficult to tell you exactly for every note what I use, but in
general a downbeat should have a downstroke, and notes on too many
different strings will be stroken with sweep technique.
E||-----------------------|--------------------------|
B||-----------------------|--------------------------|
G||-------3-5--7-----3-5--|--6--6----3-------6-3-5-3-|
D||-----------------------|-------------4------------|
A||-----------------------|--------------------------|
E||-----------------------|--------------------------|
-------------------------------|----------------------------------|
-------------------------------|----------------------------------|
-------5-3-5-3-----5-3-5-3-----|--6-3-6-3-----6-3-6-3-----6-3-6-3-|
--3------------5-3---------5-3-|----------5-3---------5-2---------|
-------------------------------|----------------------------------|
-------------------------------|----------------------------------|
----------------------------------|----------------------------------|
----------------------------------|------------3-------------3-------|
------7-5-3-----------------7-6-4-|--5-----------5-2-3---2-3---3-2---|
--5-2-------5-----3---------------|----2-5-3-4---------5-----------5-|
--------------6-3---3-6-4-5-------|----------------------------------|
----------------------------------|----------------------------------|
--------------------------8-5-6---|-------------------------------------|
--------------------6-7-9-------9-|--10-8-6-----------------------------|
--6---5---3---5-6-8---------------|---------8-5-6-7---------------------|
----5---5---5---------------------|-------------------7-10-9-7-8--------|
----------------------------------|-----------------8------------8-11-9-|
----------------------------------|-------------------------------------|
----------------------------------|---------------------------------------|
----------------------------------|---------------------------------------|
-----10---10---8-10---8-10-8------|--10-8-10-8-----10-8-10-8-----10-8-----|
-----------------------------8----|------------8-------------8--------8---|
--10---------------------------10-|--------------9-------------9--------9-|
----------------------------------|---------------------------------------|
----------------------------------|------------------3-8-7-5-6-------|
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k.e.maij
>> Surprising and acrobatically, but I fear music is more then this.
>> I hope this young boy has his brain and soul connected to his
>> fingers. If so then be warned :-)
>The thing is we're judging his playing solely by this clip, which if
>you ask me is really, really impressive on its own, but my guess is he
>has other skills besides this. A few weeks ago I brought up the point
>on the "America's Been Tough On Jazz" thread that more and more young
>players are playing jazz than ever before, which brought out the usual
>crew of hand wringing worriers lamenting that there were more jazzers
>in 1945, jazz is declining, etc. Let's face it, when you have more
>people on the planet (estimated currently at 6,502,053,595) coupled
>with widespread jazz listening and education you're going to have a
>more accomplished players just by virtue of sheer numbers. Not all will
>be geniuses, but my guess is good young players will likely outnumber
>us "old guys" by at least two to one in the next few years.
If you have a look at the gnutella or edonkey networks then I
could get jealous about the free access to information these
youngsters have. Ok its not legal, but they have access and they
use it.
Very much of the instruction videos from REH, Hot Licks, Homespun,
Rittor etc. with all kinds of guitar players, Jazz, Rock, Blues
etc. can be downloaded for no cost. Gigabytes of music, instuction
material and jam tracks, almost all of the Jamey Aebersold series
and many other stuff is there at their fingertipps.
This might be one of the reasons for the raising technical skills
of the joung musicians nowadays.
I remember 25 years ago I just had no money to buy the expensive
instruction books and no other source around then the records from
the flea market, an expensive LP every now and then and a lot of
tape copies in horrible quality.
You say I'm an old fart? Seems so, I'm 42.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
>
> Thank you, I use Babylon http://www.babylon.com for words I don't
> know.
>
>
>> He sounds like a truly amazing young man, and certainly not a braggart.
>
>
> Did not mention that. I was just wondered about the reaction of
> some writers.
>
> BTW I wish I had this chops in this age. Man my life would be
> different now ;-)
>
>
>> With his apparently diligent and humble attitude, I'd bet he'll go far.
>
>
> Me too.
> When I click on his website only a white page appears. Does this
> mean I'm using windows?
>
> Sincerely
> charlie
This page? It works for me, and I'm running windows XP.
k.e.maij
>> When I click on his website only a white page appears. Does this
>> mean I'm using windows?
> This page? It works for me, and I'm running windows XP.
>
>http://www.wimdenherder.tk/
Uh, when I shut down my Norton firewall then it works.
charles robinson
Charlie
"k.e.maij" <qmi...@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
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Tom Walls
robins...@comcast.net says...
> Gerry can remember when there was only one jazz guitar book!
> Charlie
Mickey Baker?
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
Gerry
> In article <Ud2dncdCY7m...@comcast.com>,
> robins...@comcast.net says...
>> Gerry can remember when there was only one jazz guitar book!
>> Charlie
>
> Mickey Baker?
I forget...
charles robinson
something like that before (it seems to be more common with horn and piano
players).
Charlie
"Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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omar
by thinking some things are impossible (for us).
Congrats Wim, can we hear/see some more? I'd like to hear/see the
judas priest!!
Look out Art Tatum!!
charles robinson
musicians are less likely to develop things like Alzheimer's, etc. because
their minds remain active while try to play these things....
please don't prove him wrong!
Charlie
"Gerry" <some...@sunny.calif> wrote in message
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pmfan57
Eddie Lang's books are great and they are available for download at
www.djangobooks.com. Not real heavy improv (although a bunch of his
breaks are transcribed in the more advanced of the two) but great for
mastering the guitar plectrum style.
charles robinson
to have become available again fairly recently. Mickey Baker was around and
now that think about it there was another other one by a guitarist who had
a school in California (not Howard) that wasn't too bad for chords and
unusual reharms but that was about it.....
Charlie
"pmfan57" <jwra...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> Hey!, I'm giving a Doctor guitar lessons and he just told me yesterday that
> musicians are less likely to develop things like Alzheimer's, etc. because
> their minds remain active while try to play these things....
> please don't prove him wrong!
> Charlie
I wonder if there is any literature on this.
Steve
> "Gerry" <some...@sunny.calif> wrote in message
> news:200603091229168930-somewhere@sunnycalif...
>
>>On 2006-03-09 12:26:59 -0800, Tom Walls <tw...@cornell.edu> said:
>>
>>
>>>In article <Ud2dncdCY7m...@comcast.com>,
>>>robins...@comcast.net says...
>>>
>>>>Gerry can remember when there was only one jazz guitar book!
>>>>Charlie
>>>
>>>Mickey Baker?
>>
>>I forget...
>>--
>>What a day this has been, what a rare mood I'm in.
>>
>
>
>
thom_j.
> Gerry can remember when there was only one jazz guitar book!
> Charlie
thom_j.
> Hey!, I'm giving a Doctor guitar lessons and he just told me yesterday
> that musicians are less likely to develop things like Alzheimer's, etc.
> because their minds remain active while try to play these things....
> please don't prove him wrong!
> Charlie
curious tee'...
Johnny Asia
<bornfe...@dentaltwins.com> decreed:
>charles robinson wrote:
>
>> Hey!, I'm giving a Doctor guitar lessons and he just told me yesterday that
>> musicians are less likely to develop things like Alzheimer's, etc. because
>> their minds remain active while try to play these things....
>> please don't prove him wrong!
>> Charlie
>
> I wonder if there is any literature on this.
>
>Steve
http://www.berklee.edu/news/2002/02/brain.html
Dr. Schlaug's data showed that while total brain volume is about the
same regardless of musical ability, musicians tend to have larger
motor cortexes than non-musicians. Also, years of repetitive practice
can lead to the strengthening of existing synapses and even the
formation of new ones.
Johnny Asia
>
> I wonder if there is any literature on this.
>
>Steve
>
>
http://www.aarp.org/learntech/wellbeing/staying_sharp_brain_workouts.html
Researchers are learning that such activities as board games or cards,
playing a musical instrument, reading, writing for pleasure, doing
crossword puzzles, and even ordinary social interaction increase
mental function. A 21-year study published in the New England Journal
of Medicine in 2003 found that performing one such activity用laying
Risk or Scrabble, for example曜ust once a week is associated with a 7
percent reduced risk of dementia, including Alzheimer's. Performing
more activities more frequently may cut risk as much as 63 percent.
charles robinson
I'll ask him the next time that I see him.
Charlie
"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfe...@dentaltwins.com> wrote in message
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Thanks Johnny. Your synapses can't ever really be too strong now, can
they?
Steve
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> Never mind it looks like Johnny got it for you.....Charlie
A lot of the stuff I've heard/seen is pretty much intuitive
use-it-or-you'll-lose-it kind of stuff. I think you have to be pretty
careful making inferences about (for example) motor cortex activity and
subsequent dementia. But I wasn't kidding about asking the question--it
does make sense that the kind of intense, focused mental activity of
making music would tend to keep things working, if mental activity
actually can do this in itself.
Steve
charles robinson
of preventing or alleviating aging disorders.
Charlie
"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfe...@dentaltwins.com> wrote in message
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charles robinson
New York area during the mid twentieth century painting Bird Lives on the
sides of subway cars.....
Charlie
"thom_j." <thom_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Max Leggett
<robins...@comcast.net> wrote:
>It might open a new field in which music lessons are given for the purpose
>of preventing or alleviating aging disorders.
>Charlie
Yet another reason music should be taught in the schools, but don't
get me started ..........
--------------------------------
Without music, life is a mistake.
Freidrich "Hep Daddy" Nietzsche
---------------------------------
Steven Bornfeld
charles robinson wrote:
> It might open a new field in which music lessons are given for the purpose
> of preventing or alleviating aging disorders.
> Charlie
Maybe Dr. Willie can weigh in.
There is a practice of music therapy:
Steve
JP
Congrats on your playing.
I wish you a long career.
JP
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rofire
charles robinson wrote:
> ###### asked me to post this:
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4207150030723270023&q=oscar+peterson
>
> You can contact me privately for information as to where to send your axes:)
>
> Charlie
It is quite excellent to be sure. It does sound a bit faster because
it is in sync with Peterson and you can sometimes hear a tiny glitch
between the two. still, it is amazing technique. I'd probably get
injured trying to achieve that solo :(
Gerry
<bornfe...@dentaltwins.com> said:
> charles robinson wrote:
>
>> Hey!, I'm giving a Doctor guitar lessons and he just told me yesterday
>> that musicians are less likely to develop things like Alzheimer's, etc.
>> because their minds remain active while try to play these things....
>> please don't prove him wrong!
>> Charlie
>
> I wonder if there is any literature on this.
There must be somewhere. A study was done among the elderly at a
number of retirement homes, and in private residence relative to
memory. Conclusive results: piano players had considerably greater
"mental acuity" and rapid access to memory than did those that were not
piano players.
Though it may help retain our thinking ability, the jury is definitely
out over whether it has any effect on people with a definitive
diagnosis of Alzheimer's disease.
But that research always begged a number of questions in my mind--would
the same thing be applicable to all instrumentalists? Were all the
pianists generally sheet-music readers, or did they play from memory?
In what proportion were they "excercising" their noodles by reading and
translating to physical activity versus the process of producing music
only? My (wholly unproven) theory is that they are "back dooring" their
way into the memory cavern by using music as a skelton-key, rather than
pursuing it through sequential logic circuits.
Another study involved a wandering accordionist that played in nursing
homes. She had numerous encounters in which people were flabbergasted
by an Alzheimers sufferer who had not spoken a word in a year suddenly
began singing every single word of "I'm Just Wild About Harry" or some
such when the accordionist played it.
My 92-yr old mother-in-law whose memory has her asking us whether we
had an opportunity for vacation 5 times in the course of 30 minutes,
can sit down at the piano and honk out jillions of old standards
error-free. Then she gets up and confuses me with her brother-in-law,
40 years dead.
I use to keep pointers to some of these studies. I forgot where they went...
Tom Walls
some...@sunny.calif says...
>
> >> Hey!, I'm giving a Doctor guitar lessons and he just told me yesterday
> >> that musicians are less likely to develop things like Alzheimer's, etc.
> >> because their minds remain active while try to play these things....
> >> please don't prove him wrong!
> >> Charlie
> >
> > I wonder if there is any literature on this.
>
> There must be somewhere.
>
My impression was that among physicians it's conventional wisdom. My
mother was at risk for alzheimer's and her doctor encouraged her piano
playing and crosswords pursuits for this reason. In spite of her
enthusiastic participation her mental condition seemed to be declining
before she passed due to other problems.
wimden...@hotmail.com
http://home.wanadoo.nl/denherder
you can download the movie, the soundfile and the guitartab seperately
if you want to hear only the guitar, just only listen to the left side
of the recording.
you'll hear oscar on the other side.
You'll notice that I have a strange delay sound which makes it very
staccato.
I also transcribed other Peterson solos but never put them online. If
you want, I can put some other files online.
by the way does anyone have Peterson's phonenumber or
contact-information? because I would like to send this movie to him. no
info at oscarpeterson.com
A while ago I started using a new tuning:
EADGCF (in perfect fourths)
because this makes the guitarneck symmetrical :)
everything is universal applyable. the E-chord shape is always a major
chord everywhere.
if you want to play the A-chord, it's still this E-shape. Also the
D-chord is the E-shape.
This is really interesting, especially for jazz. Let me name some
advantages:
1. you don't have positions anymore. I mean, they are not important
anymore. Because it's everywhere the same if you start on the same
note.
2. you have 70% less motoric possibilties for the same music (which for
me never made sense)
3. you have 200 % invested time left (see point 2)
4. you can use Universal Shapes everywhere. Licks are always applyable,
same for chords, triads, tricks, oscar licks etc..!!
5. You don't have to transpose anymore (this is the main point :) )
6. In jazz you don't play often in the key of E or A, so the open
string advantage of the highest strings C and F are better of use here!
It's also nice that it is not important anymore where you transcribe on
the neck :)
This is really nice thing and I would really advise you to experiment
with.
> Do you have any audio of just the guitar without the piano?
>
> Amazing stuff!
Steven Bornfeld
Just tell her you're the one with the neck scarf.
Steve
SO
along to any book or reference with "lifespan development" or "developmental
psychology" in the title, you'll be able to read about the corpus of work
over the last couple of decades or more (my day gig is psych
lecturer/researcher). I am supposed to be working now (even 'though it's
Saturday but I'm at home not the office) and it's not my speciality, so I'll
have to leave the searching to you or others. But basically there is a lot
of correlational evidence so far along the lines that people who have
careers or lifestyles that require/encourage them to use the mind a lot are
less likely to experience many of the dementia-related nasties than
"cognitively inactive" people. Of course, this type of evidence can never
rule out the simple explanation that some other factor is responsible both
for the lowered dementia risk and for the higher mental abilities required
to do the job/play bridge etc. That is where the longitudinal and other
prospective studies come in.
At any rate, even if it were to be completely genetic and so you had a
lowered dementia risk whether you played or not, would you stop playing? If
anything, you could be happier in such a case to have more years of playing
left. Back to preparing classes now.
SO
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JP
I'm really enjoying the tab you posted.
Just focusing on the first chorus.
There's enough in there to keep me busy for quite some time.
It's a great solo. The Peterson solo with the Rhythm section before the
bass solo is also fantastic.
Im wondering what lead you to focus on Oscar. I think its a great thing.
But interested cause it is
a little unusual to have a goal to get a blistering 2 chours Peterson down
on guitar. Was it a favourite solo of yours.
Were you interested in his lines? How did it come about?
I've lifted a number of lines and phrases that i like from players like
Wynton Kelly and Red Garland.
They ...IMHO..have the bebop language/phrasing ingrained. Lately i've
transcribed a few things from Jarrett.
Nowhere near the virtusoity of your Peterson effort.
Do you play any solo pieces?
JP
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Steven Bornfeld
SO wrote:
> As well as the longitudinal studies that some others have cited, if you get
> along to any book or reference with "lifespan development" or "developmental
> psychology" in the title, you'll be able to read about the corpus of work
> over the last couple of decades or more (my day gig is psych
> lecturer/researcher). I am supposed to be working now (even 'though it's
> Saturday but I'm at home not the office) and it's not my speciality, so I'll
> have to leave the searching to you or others. But basically there is a lot
> of correlational evidence so far along the lines that people who have
> careers or lifestyles that require/encourage them to use the mind a lot are
> less likely to experience many of the dementia-related nasties than
> "cognitively inactive" people. Of course, this type of evidence can never
> rule out the simple explanation that some other factor is responsible both
> for the lowered dementia risk and for the higher mental abilities required
> to do the job/play bridge etc. That is where the longitudinal and other
> prospective studies come in.
>
> At any rate, even if it were to be completely genetic and so you had a
> lowered dementia risk whether you played or not, would you stop playing?
I'd rather not look at the old family tree, thank you very much!
Steve
mr.lurke...@gmail.com
Gerry
> I apologize for my rude comments to you.
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I'll do that in the future.
k.e.maij
>I apologize for my rude comments to you.
Oh, it's ok thank you.
I guess we both should be more clear in our expressions.
Sincerely
charlie
--
Karl E. Maij
http://www.bebop.ch/rmmgj
pmfan57
Or else you can just hit "post message" with no text typed in yet, and
then, when it tells you you can't do that, it puts the previous posts
in there. You can go down and type under all that. They should fix
that.