Looking for Rick Turner RN6?
Thelonious77
I saw there were a few on sale in the groups history (Jack had one, I
believe?).
I am interested in an RN6 (not the hybrid) or some other non-hybrid
neck amplified nylon string.
Thanks,
Erik
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
FWIW, I recently A/B'd an RN6 with the new Godin Multiac Duet
Ambiance, and the Godin sounded much better (for a fraction of a
price).
The Ambiance only comes in the Grand Concert size (non-hybrid neck)
which is what you are looking for.
Until this model came out, I was never too impressed with the sound of
the Godins...
It's the first electrified nylon string guitar I have ever heard that
actually sounds like a real classical that's been mic'd.
Thelonious77
And some have said the same thing about the RN6 (only natural sounding
electric-nylon).
I wish there was a shop that stocked all of the options...
sheetsofsound
i disagree completely. I've owned several godins and they are cheaply
built and not even close to the same league as the RN6. The RN6 has a
gorgeous electric sound. Comparing the RN6 to the Godin is like
comparing a 175 to a strat.
Thelonious77
I guess he is talking about the new Godin Ambiance?
http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultgrconambiancep.htm
Apparently, it was introduced last year and adds a Fishman Aura
imaging technology which you can read about here...
http://www.acousticfingerstyle.com/FishmanAuraPedals.htm
Sounds interesting, but there are only a few clips online I can find.
Has anyone else play this new Godin? Or used the above Fishman Aura
pedal?
sheetsofsound
I haven't tried that model. Looks promising but everything i've tried
of theirs has been mediocre. Every RT I've tried has been exceptional.
Factory made vs. hand made.
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
The Ambiance is brand new and it uses the Fishman Aura system.
It doesn't sound anything like any Godins that have gone before it.
I agree with you about the previous Godin models.
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
You are correct.
I was so impressed with the sound that I bought it on the spot.
Be sure to check one out if you can...
If you hear it on a decent acoustic amp, you will swear you are
hearing a mic'd classical.
sheetsofsound
the godins are extremely medicore instruments though. Unless something
radically changed, it needs more than just a pickup change. I'll give
one a try though but the RT was so far above any of the other Godins I
have played that it's hard to believe just a pickup would make that
much difference.
sheetsofsound
Just looked them up. $1500 is crazy for a godin. Get a used RN6 for
$1200 and be done. I may know someone selling one that I used to own.
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
One other thing you may not be aware of...
The RN6 has a noticeably shorter scale length.
If you're used to playing a standard classical, you may find this an
issue (since you mentioned that you want a "non-hybrid" neck).
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
I won't disagree with you about the difference in craftsmanship.
I'm just talking about the sound quality.
The difference was quite noticeable.
sheetsofsound
you played an rn6 next to the godin?
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
Yep.
I even had someone else play them both so I wouldn't be biased.
The RN6 was used, so for all I know, Turner may be using something
similar in his latest guitars.
It's definitely the Fishman electronics that are doing the trick.
FWIW, you may be able to achieve the sound of the Ambiance if you were
to play the RN6 through an Aura pedal, and get a custom image made for
it.
You should definitely test-drive one if you get the chance;
I'd love to see a review of one on your website...I really like your
product reviews.
sheetsofsound
i'm not going to spend $1500 on a godin but if you lend me yours I'll
add it to my review page!
Thelonious77
Point them to this thread. Thanks, Jack!
Mark Guest
I own an Aura pedal (nylon string model). It's OK, fixing most of the
quack in my Takamine 132sc, but it didn't help my Yamaha Silent
Guitar. A lot of the "images" are not my cuppa tea, but it made my Tak
gig-worthy (after owning it for nearly 20 years!)
All the best,
Mark Guest
Jazz Guitar
www.markguest.net
www.cdbaby.com/cd/markguest
Music produces a kind of pleasure which human nature cannot do
without."
Confucius (c.551-479 BC)
Thelonious77
Jonathan,
Tell me more about the custom images? Do users make these images?
Does a software program do it? Do you have to pay for additional
ones?
Thanks,
Erik
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
It looks like you ship your guitar to Fishman and they create the
image for you:
http://www.fishmanaura.com/code/customshop/intro.asp
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
I've heard mixed reviews about the Aura pedals (hit and miss), but the
images in the Ambiance were specifically created from the ground up to
complement that particular instrument.
I have been on a quest for many years to find a natural-sounding
amplified classical guitar, and this is the first one that comes close
in my opinion.
Tim McNamara
<bf97c82b-6575-42cd...@t23g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>,
Thelonious77 <eriksc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or used the above Fishman Aura pedal?
I had the Fishman Aura nylon pedal and found it disappointing, at least
with my particular classical guitar (Takamine EC 132C) and amps (Cube 60
and MB II). But the guitar's amped sound itself is incredibly cold and
quacky and maybe that the Aura just couldn't overcome a crappy signal to
begin with. Did I mention I hate piezos?
I sold the pedal to another poster here; I don't know how he's fairing
with it. There is a different Aura system from Fishman which allows for
the installation of other sound images which the small pedal doesn't do.
(I got an ART Tube MP preamp which helps warm the tone of the EC132C and
cuts the quack a lot, giving me the best sound from this guitar I've yet
gotten, and at Nate's suggesting I plan to get a Baggs Para Acoustic DI.
Those Tube MPs go for pretty cheap used, I paid $30 for mine.
Interestingly it makes all my electric guitars sound worse, but the Tume
MP is really intended as a mike preamp).
--
"I wear the cheese, it does not wear me."
Tim McNamara
<cfcd9429-e268-4efd...@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
Thelonious77 <eriksc...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've tried googling and YouTube as comparisons, but thus far all the
examples of the Turners I have found sound weirdly boingy, almost a
mouth harp tone. My old guitar teacher had an RN-6 for a while about
which he raved, but I never got to actually hear it or play it through
an amp. Very nicely crafted instrument, though. I've never played a
Godin.
I'm not surprised by the Turners being well made, given his history in
the business for 30-40 years.
Paul K
>
> I've tried googling and YouTube as comparisons, but thus far all the
> examples of the Turners I have found sound weirdly boingy, almost a
> mouth harp tone.
I wonder if you listened to my clips: perhaps they are boingy, but I love how
mine sounds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAP3B4qbEk
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7803427
and a couple of trio clips, poorly recorded:
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5450409
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CAXR67X1os
I dont have the discerning ear for gear that most guitarists have, however.
But it plays and intonates extremely well
P
>
--
http://www.youtube.com/TopologyPaul
http://www.soundclick.com/paulkirk
sheetsofsound
All 3 i've owned sound pretty much like yours. Gorgeous tones by the
way. The godin just sounds like an electric guitar IMO and I just
don't have faith in the electronics magically transforming it into a
wonderful instrument.
Thelonious77
Paul,
What are you playing the Turner through?
Thanks,
Erik
Paul K
It's embarrassing to admit, but a Zoom multiFX pedal. Reverb, a tiny bit of
EQ, and it boosts the signal a bit. In the two solo things it's then USB
cable direct to computer, in the gig recordings its into a Clarus/RE the twin
8, I think.
--
Paul K
http://www.youtube.com/TopologyPaul
http://www.soundclick.com/paulkirk
http://php.indiana.edu/~pkirk/
Thelonious77
Just wondering. I have an AI Corus.
Nothing is embarrassing if if sounds good. How does the Turner sound
direct into the AI? Do you need the Zoom for the actual sound of the
guitar?
Paul K
> >
> Nothing is embarrassing if if sounds good. How does the Turner sound
> direct into the AI? Do you need the Zoom for the actual sound of the
> guitar?
No, the FX unit just adds reverb. The EQ is minimal.
sheetsofsound
sounds fabulous through the AI or any full range system but it also
sounds amazing through a twin reverb...
Tim McNamara
<PM000480C...@paul-kirks-computer-3.hsd1.in.comcast.net>,
Paul K <user...@isp.net.invalid> wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
> >
> > I've tried googling and YouTube as comparisons, but thus far all the
> > examples of the Turners I have found sound weirdly boingy, almost a
> > mouth harp tone.
>
> I wonder if you listened to my clips: perhaps they are boingy, but I love how
> mine sounds:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAP3B4qbEk
>
> http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7803427
>
> and a couple of trio clips, poorly recorded:
>
> http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5450409
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CAXR67X1os
>
> I dont have the discerning ear for gear that most guitarists have, however.
> But it plays and intonates extremely well
I had not heard your clips, thanks very for sharing them.
I do hear this odd thing on the bass strings while the treble strings
sound great. It's a sound characteristic, to my ears, of piezos. The
sound is more of a pitched buzz than a pitch, but at least in this case
it's a *warm* pitched buzz instead of the cold sound I get from my
guitar. But jeez I really like the sounds of those trebles. The whole
thing sound sounds much better than my setup.
In "Triste" that bass string thing is not noticeable but with the other
instruments the sound of the guitar is not so front and center. Nice
playing too, BTW. I like how you extend the harmony.
What amp are you using?
drthoma...@gmail.com
I find the Aura and similar tech to be impressive at first listen, but
I get tired of it pretty quickly. It sounds too digital and fakey to
me.
skip
> In article
> <bf97c82b-6575-42cd-bc18-3fbac8619...@t23g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>,
were you able to use a different amp /speaker combo to audition the
aura- something that covers the full freq. range .As both amps/
speakers you mentioned above would color the takamine's tone in a non -
complimenting way.
Skip
Tim McNamara
<169116d1-cb95-4c80...@t31g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
skip <ts...@hotmail.com> wrote:
No,I wasn't able to try it through different amps. I have what I have
and just don't have the space in my small house to add more and more
amps. I don't want to end up with my house looking like Ted Greene's
apartment...
Paul K
Well, it could be the strings I'm using, and the action is a bit too low,
probably much lower than typical on a classical, so it oucld be a touch of
fret buzz, I know I get some on the G string. I think I hear what you mean,
though.
>
> In "Triste" that bass string thing is not noticeable but with the other
> instruments the sound of the guitar is not so front and center.
Well that's the thing that always strikes me: the tone seems to
depend so much more on the room/context than the equipment.
Nice
> playing too, BTW. I like how you extend the harmony.
Thanks
>
> What amp are you using?
>
Clarus/RE in the gig clips, straight to the compute in the home clips.
Paul K
Tim McNamara
<PM000480D...@paul-kirks-computer-3.hsd1.in.comcast.net>,
Paul K <user...@isp.net.invalid> wrote:
After I posted that I sat down with my classical and stuck my ear down
near the strings and the soundhole; I have just put new set of Labella
413P on there a couple days ago. I noticed, somewhat faintly, that same
quality and hadn't really paid close attention to it before. It may be
that this is a natural string sound, rather than a piezo sound per se,
which becomes more evident when amplified through a piezo pickup. When
I have more time I am going to experiment more with this- the upshot
potentially being that I may have to revise how I hear this sound.
> > In "Triste" that bass string thing is not noticeable but with the
> > other instruments the sound of the guitar is not so front and
> > center.
>
> Well that's the thing that always strikes me: the tone seems to
> depend so much more on the room/context than the equipment.
That's true- a nice living room tone can be practically inaudible on the
bandstand.
> > Nice
> > playing too, BTW. I like how you extend the harmony.
>
> Thanks
> >
> > What amp are you using?
> >
> Clarus/RE in the gig clips, straight to the compute in the home
> clips.
Thanks for that info. A number of people I have talked to like that
combo for both nylon string and archtops (and some seem to dislike it,
based on threads here in the past). I had a line on buying a set like
that for a *very* good price a year or so ago but the seller backed out
when he started thinking about playing *his* classical amplified.
Your "home sound" was very nice and "present" with just enough reverb to
make it sound like a room rather than direct-to-digital.
Thanks for the info, Paul. I'm going to have to give these another look.
Mark Guest
(snip)
> After I posted that I sat down with my classical and stuck my ear down
> near the strings and the soundhole; I have just put new set of Labella
> 413P on there a couple days ago. I noticed, somewhat faintly, that same
> quality and hadn't really paid close attention to it before. It may be
> that this is a natural string sound, rather than a piezo sound per se,
> which becomes more evident when amplified through a piezo pickup. When
> I have more time I am going to experiment more with this- the upshot
> potentially being that I may have to revise how I hear this sound.
Hi Tim,
Have you tried the TI Rope Core strings? They change the nature of the
sound *substantially*, adding a lot more treble. Sounds like a steel/
nylon hybrid. Not a traditional nylon sound, but I enjoyed them for a
while.
BTW, thanks for the Aura. It's sitting in my studio waiting for me to
level or refret the Tak. It might work for me.
Jonathan (not from Cleveland)
wrote:
I don't have experience with any of the pedals...just the Godin
Ambiance.
Go check one out at a music store and decide for yourself :)
Tim McNamara
<5c5d425c-2ba7-4a23...@d2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Mark Guest <mark.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 11:55�pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote: (snip)
> > After I posted that I sat down with my classical and stuck my ear
> > down near the strings and the soundhole; I have just put new set of
> > Labella 413P on there a couple days ago. �I noticed, somewhat
> > faintly, that same quality and hadn't really paid close attention
> > to it before. �It may be that this is a natural string sound,
> > rather than a piezo sound per se, which becomes more evident when
> > amplified through a piezo pickup. �When I have more time I am going
> > to experiment more with this- the upshot potentially being that I
> > may have to revise how I hear this sound.
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Have you tried the TI Rope Core strings? They change the nature of
> the sound *substantially*, adding a lot more treble. Sounds like a
> steel/ nylon hybrid. Not a traditional nylon sound, but I enjoyed
> them for a while.
I've not heard of those before.
> BTW, thanks for the Aura. It's sitting in my studio waiting for me to
> level or refret the Tak. It might work for me.
I hope that it pans out for you.