Fender Hot Rod Deluxe as jazz amp?
Claus Rogge
150 instead and figure I´ll have around 6-700 Euro for a guitar amp.
Came across this one ... How´s that for a good, clean jazz sound? I´m
out of Amp Simulation - I want ONE AMP that I know real well so I can
get all I want out of it and that´s pure clean wooden tone!
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Jazzer
You can dial in a great jazz tone on it, but it is on the heavy side
for me.
Docbop
Depends on your idea of clean Joe Pass clean or some bite if you lay
into a note. The HR Deluxe is going to have so grit and bite to it.
Charlie X
recording..but (as u will read in a million other posts), there is no
headroom beyond 4 on the volume dial
The best 'one amp' that i have found is my Fuchs clean machine
100w...i love it and am considering a 150 as well. Its the only amp i
use, but the weight of either amp is a LOT for me.
invisaman75
I have a buddy that used a Hot Rod Deluxe for jazz guitar at one time
but he stop. He says it is too heavy. I don't think it is right for
jazz. I wanted a Fender sound I would get a Twin Reverb.
rpjazzguitar
I love the HRD sound,It's a great sounding amp. But I've never had to
play it really loud. I've been able to use it for rehearsals in a
quartet with a loud drummer -- it was fine -- but I don't know how
large a room you play before you need it mic'ed.
joe montgomery
I liked mine for jazz but I had a guy really temper the bias cool and
I changed out the ax7s for au7s...
I also did this with a Vibrolux reissue (1 channel only) and it was
very nice, very WES!
good luck,
jm
ps...clean spkr helps!
Dave
amps of that style, the pickup hits the 1st tube straight off, so depending
on your pickup's output and how hard you play, you can get a little light
breakup.
It's got bass, mid, treble, and presence, which provides a little more tonal
flexibility.
Aside from size and weight (45lbs), my only real beef sonically was that I
found it a bottom heavy. Certain notes would really resonate.
Mark Guest
I did not care for the one I had. I swapped it for a 68 Pro Reverb.
Much nicer amp. Of course, old Fenders are not as easy to find as the
HRD, and tend to be pricier. I have a Frenzel coming in that gives me
high hopes. Point to point, and they seem to have a lot of good
features for not too much money
Mondoslug
Seems like it should be clean enough.
Jonathan (Cleve)
> I´m about to switch amps - want to sell my AER Bass cube and buy a GK
> 150 instead and figure I´ll have around 6-700 Euro for a guitar amp.
> Came across this one ... How´s that for a good, clean jazz sound? I´m
> out of Amp Simulation - I want ONE AMP that I know real well so I can
> get all I want out of it and that´s pure clean wooden tone!
I don't know what your needs are for an amp. I had a Hot Rod Deluxe
for a while. It sounds very good as a practice amp, and pretty good as
a solo/duo amp. It lacks the clean headroom you'd need for a rhythm
section gig.
I agree with Mark Guest; the old Fender amps are a better bet, if you
have access to a good amp tech. I Ebayed my HRD and got an 60s Fender,
which has a tighter bass and is generally cleaner.
If you don't want to mess around with a 40+-year-old amp, you might
check out the Frenzels. I haven't used one, but Mark Why swears by
them and they look like a good deal in a well-made tube amp.
pmfan57
My 80s Rivera designed Fender Concert is sweet, point to point. Great
amp. Lucked out getting one of those. But my Hod Rod Deluxe is a
superb amp. I believe MVI uses one of these and he gets a great sound.
Claus Rogge
Thansk everybody for your input - there are so many fenders out there so
I get confused. I´ll see if I can find a place to try one out, instead
of going the ebay way ...
Thanks again!
Carl
compared to a Twin. That's a backbreaker.
Gizmo
I'm a big fan of Traynor amps. Made in Canada, great company. Check
out their YVC 20, it's about the size of a Fender Princeton, has a 12'
Celestion speaker.
Chickenhead
they are gawdawful heavy.
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Keith Freeman
smidgeon of valve overdrive.
Though since I got my ZT Lunchbox I haven't used the TomKat on gigs...
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Dave
> FWIW, my experience with the HRD is the same as CharlieX's. That and
> that they are gawdawful heavy.
They're 45 lbs...is that gawdawful? A Twin Reverb, now that's gawdawful.
Not that 45 lbs is light...but I think the fact that it's not all that
compact makes it seems worse.
Dave
> I love the tone of the HRD..i have 3 of them..they are great for
> recording..but (as u will read in a million other posts), there is no
> headroom beyond 4 on the volume dial
Just to sort of clarify...yes, the amp starts to run out of headroom above
4. But that's because, due to the taper of the vol pot they used, by that
point on the dial, the amp is running near full power. It's not that it has
less headroom than other 40W amps, it's just that the resolution of the vol
ctrl puts all the change right up front.
Joey Goldstein
> I´m about to switch amps - want to sell my AER Bass cube and buy a GK
> 150 instead and figure I´ll have around 6-700 Euro for a guitar amp.
> Came across this one ... How´s that for a good, clean jazz sound? I´m
> out of Amp Simulation - I want ONE AMP that I know real well so I can
> get all I want out of it and that´s pure clean wooden tone!
>
My experience in renting them a few times is that they sound real nice
at low volumes but break up a bit too early for me when pushed.
There's also a problem with the Bass control in that it's almost
impossible to attenuate the bass enough for many sounds. I.e. Too much
bass for lots of things.
It's my understanding that there is a common and easy mod available for
the Bass problem that makes this better.
I prefer the 2 X 12" Devilles which have a bit more wattage, headroom
and volume. But they're heavier.
For jazz, if it has to be a tube amp, I'd rather use a 100 watt Mesa myself.
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Joey Goldstein
> On 9/22/2010 4:39 PM, Claus Rogge wrote:
>> I´m about to switch amps - want to sell my AER Bass cube and buy a GK
>> 150 instead and figure I´ll have around 6-700 Euro for a guitar amp.
>> Came across this one ... How´s that for a good, clean jazz sound? I´m
>> out of Amp Simulation - I want ONE AMP that I know real well so I can
>> get all I want out of it and that´s pure clean wooden tone!
>>
>
> My experience in renting them a few times is that they sound real nice
> at low volumes but break up a bit too early for me when pushed.
> There's also a problem with the Bass control in that it's almost
> impossible to attenuate the bass enough for many sounds. I.e. Too much
> bass for lots of things.
>
> It's my understanding that there is a common and easy mod available for
> the Bass problem that makes this better.
>
> I prefer the 2 X 12" Devilles which have a bit more wattage, headroom
> and volume. But they're heavier.
>
> For jazz, if it has to be a tube amp, I'd rather use a 100 watt Mesa
> myself.
>
Also I hear that the design, with the tubes mounted on a circuit board
is not very durable or long lasting.
Jonathan (Cleve)
>
> My experience in renting them a few times is that they sound real nice
> at low volumes but break up a bit too early for me when pushed.
> There's also a problem with the Bass control in that it's almost
> impossible to attenuate the bass enough for many sounds. I.e. Too much
> bass for lots of things.
That was pretty much my experience with the one I had. It sounded good
at low volume, but if you pushed it at all, the bass had a mushy
boominess that got to be annoying. And it broke up too early to use
with a rhythm section.
> It's my understanding that there is a common and easy mod available for
> the Bass problem that makes this better.
I hear that's a good mod, but I never actually heard the mod. You'd
still have a low power amp though.
Nate Najar
mmm mark 4 works for any gig under the sun!
N
Joe Finn
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I played through one of these once. It was a situation where the all the
gear was provided by a sound contractor. I didn't like the amp. It's ok at
low volume but lacks the power and headroom you need for clarity at typical
performance volume levels. ....joe
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>
zepa
> On Sep 24, 7:41 pm, Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > My experience in renting them a few times is that they sound real nice
> > at low volumes but break up a bit too early for me when pushed.
> > There's also a problem with the Bass control in that it's almost
> > impossible to attenuate the bass enough for many sounds. I.e. Too much
> > bass for lots of things.
>
> That was pretty much my experience with the one I had. It sounded good
> at low volume, but if you pushed it at all, the bass had a mushy
> boominess that got to be annoying. And it broke up too early to use
> with a rhythm section.
Same for me.
One thing that grabbed my attention: I can be wrong, but George Benson
seems to be using a HR Deluxe
in his DVD "Absolute Benson", and his tone there is fantastic,
especially considering that is playing with
his (full and eletric) own band + an orchestra (!).
The HR is just behind him (with a mic), and sounds perfect.
Another strange thing in that particular video are those 2 Roland
JC-120s positioned side-by-side,
a little more behind. One of them is being used by Benson's rhythm
guitarist, I assume.
Perhaps both, but that seems too much for someone that stays there
playing chords the whole concert.
The second JC-120 can be there just as a backup amp, I don't know.
Would Benson be running in stereo, using the Fender HR and one JC-120?
ZP
DannyW.
> On Sep 24, 7:41 pm, Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> > For jazz, if it has to be a tube amp, I'd rather use a 100 watt Mesa myself.
>
On Sep 24, 11:28 pm, Nate Najar <n...@natenajar.com> wrote:
>
> mmm mark 4 works for any gig under the sun!
>
> N
In '91 I bought a MK IV head and matching EV-12L cabinets for a pop-
rock group I had. I wound up using it for all my jazz stuff too--the
power-amp switching options made it work for any size room or venue we
played, while my basic settings remained the same. It was pretty much
the only amp I used for the next ten years.
Danny W.
Jazzer
> My experience in renting them a few times is that they sound real nice
> at low volumes but break up a bit too early for me when pushed.
> There's also a problem with the Bass control in that it's almost
> impossible to attenuate the bass enough for many sounds. I.e. Too much
> bass for lots of things.
I had the same experience with them.
> I prefer the 2 X 12" Devilles which have a bit more wattage, headroom
> and volume. But they're heavier.
I also prefer the Devilles (the 2x10"s in particular).
They don't have the boominess and are more 'transparent' overall than
the HRDs.