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Ted Vieira

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Dec 11, 2002, 6:45:41 PM12/11/02
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There've been some threads lately about amp modeling. I've made a few
comments from time to time that I really liked my Line6 POD because of the
quality of sound, ease of use and overall convenience it brings to my life,
but I always thought it was better for playing rock and funk. I always
thought it sounded a little "hard" for jazz. Last night I did some more
programming on it and came up with a sound that I love for jazz; full,
round, warm, clear, etc....

I'm using the "Tube Preamp" modeling selection with a 2x12 cabinet setting,
a tiny bit of compression and verb. It really sounds great and I'm extremely
happy because I've always liked using it on my more commercial gigs
(R&B/funk) but was a little bummed about the sound for jazz. Now I can use
it for everything. I haven't had a chance to try the new POD XT yet (I'm
using the 2.0 version), and I haven't heard what the price is for that one
yet, but for the $300.00 I paid for the POD 2.0, I'm really happy.

Ted Vieira

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Bob R

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Dec 11, 2002, 6:49:34 PM12/11/02
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in article BA1D0F35.CC57%con...@tedvieira.com, Ted Vieira at
con...@tedvieira.com wrote on 12/11/02 6:45 PM:

> There've been some threads lately about amp modeling. I've made a few
> comments from time to time that I really liked my Line6 POD because of the
> quality of sound, ease of use and overall convenience it brings to my life,
> but I always thought it was better for playing rock and funk. I always
> thought it sounded a little "hard" for jazz. Last night I did some more
> programming on it and came up with a sound that I love for jazz; full,
> round, warm, clear, etc....
>
> I'm using the "Tube Preamp" modeling selection with a 2x12 cabinet setting,
> a tiny bit of compression and verb. It really sounds great and I'm extremely
> happy because I've always liked using it on my more commercial gigs
> (R&B/funk) but was a little bummed about the sound for jazz. Now I can use
> it for everything. I haven't had a chance to try the new POD XT yet (I'm
> using the 2.0 version), and I haven't heard what the price is for that one
> yet, but for the $300.00 I paid for the POD 2.0, I'm really happy.
>
> Ted Vieira
>

That's what I found too, Ted. The sounds are in there if you're willing to
do some serious tweaking. The tube preamp model has worked for me; the Vox
model can be very warm-sounding too, with the right EQ.

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daniel marti

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Dec 11, 2002, 7:39:57 PM12/11/02
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Nice to hear that there are pros out there not afraid to try and utilize the
newer technologies.

It would be nice to understand how you gals and fellas are using the POD in
your rig.. Front end to SS amp? Into a PA if so how do you monitor
yourselves.. What kind of speaker configurations do you use? The guitars?
etc

Peace,

Dan


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Ted Vieira

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Dec 11, 2002, 9:54:58 PM12/11/02
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> Nice to hear that there are pros out there not afraid to try and utilize the
> newer technologies.
>
> It would be nice to understand how you gals and fellas are using the POD in
> your rig.. Front end to SS amp? Into a PA if so how do you monitor
> yourselves.. What kind of speaker configurations do you use? The guitars?
> etc
>
> Peace,
>
> Dan


I've used my POD with an amp and gone direct and have been happy with both
applications. That's the cool thing... if you have to go direct, the POD can
still sound great. I originally picked up a POD when I was doing a lot of
work in Vegas and a lot of the rooms had "no-amps-on-stage" policies. Plus a
lot of rooms make you strike the stage every night, so the less gear you
have to move, the better. The POD really made my life a lot easier.

When I'm running it with an amp I go from my guitar to the POD -> 15 band
graphic eq -> Mesa 50/50 tube pwr amp -> then either a Mesa 1x12 sealed back
cabinet or a Marshall 4x10 slant cabinet (both cabinets sound great!)

For funk and R&B type gigs I've got a PRS McCarty and for the jazz gigs I
use my '78 Ibanez L5. I'm really happy with the way the both guitar are
sounding through the POD.

Ted Vieira


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Norman Webb

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Dec 11, 2002, 10:51:20 PM12/11/02
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Ted Vieira <con...@tedvieira.com> wrote in message
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> There've been some threads lately about amp modeling. I've made a few
> comments from time to time that I really liked my Line6 POD because of the
> quality of sound, ease of use and overall convenience it brings to my
life,
> but I always thought it was better for playing rock and funk. I always
> thought it sounded a little "hard" for jazz. Last night I did some more
> programming on it and came up with a sound that I love for jazz; full,
> round, warm, clear, etc....
>
> I'm using the "Tube Preamp" modeling selection with a 2x12 cabinet
setting,
> a tiny bit of compression and verb. It really sounds great and I'm
extremely
> happy because I've always liked using it on my more commercial gigs
> (R&B/funk) but was a little bummed about the sound for jazz. Now I can use
> it for everything. I haven't had a chance to try the new POD XT yet (I'm
> using the 2.0 version), and I haven't heard what the price is for that one
> yet, but for the $300.00 I paid for the POD 2.0, I'm really happy.
>
> Ted Vieira

Ted

Have you tried the SoundDiver program from Line6 to connect the POD to a
computer via midi?

You get a much more user friendly access to the POD (I actually have a
Flextone II) and can control a lot more parameters.

In addition you can save the patch to disk and even maybe post the patch so
we could try your sound.

Regards

Norm Webb


thom_j.

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Dec 11, 2002, 11:48:40 PM12/11/02
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"Norman Webb" wrote:
> Ted
> Have you tried the SoundDiver program from Line6 to connect the POD to a
> computer via midi?
>
> You get a much more user friendly access to the POD (I actually have a
> Flextone II) and can control a lot more parameters.
>
> In addition you can save the patch to disk and even maybe post the patch
so
> we could try your sound.
>
> Regards
>
> Norm Webb

Norm W, I have the POD GuitarPort, & I wondered if the
"tones" have the same file extension? xxx.gpt? tia. thom_j.

>


Ted Vieira

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Dec 12, 2002, 12:00:30 AM12/12/02
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> Ted
>
> Have you tried the SoundDiver program from Line6 to connect the POD to a
> computer via midi?
>
> You get a much more user friendly access to the POD (I actually have a
> Flextone II) and can control a lot more parameters.
>
> In addition you can save the patch to disk and even maybe post the patch so
> we could try your sound.
>
> Regards
>
> Norm Webb

No I haven't tried the software yet. I've always wanted to, but have kind of
always forgotten about it. I'll check it out. Thanks for reminding me.

Ted

thom_j.

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Dec 12, 2002, 12:11:40 AM12/12/02
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Ted, I would have presented my query below to you too
but I know you run a MAC.. :^) cheers thom_j.

> Norm W, I have the POD GuitarPort, & I wondered if the
> "tones" have the same file extension? xxx.gpt? tia. thom_j.

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EHHackney

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Dec 12, 2002, 12:30:14 AM12/12/02
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What 15-band EQ do you use, Ted? I have been thinking about getting one of
these.

Hack
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Chip L

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Dec 12, 2002, 7:25:33 AM12/12/02
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Ted - I'm curious about the POD. I also play the R&B gig occasionally and
have been using a Digitech RP 100 modeler/MFX as my sole effects box. Tossed
all the stomp boxes. I've even modeled a Twin and gone direct although the
tone is not as good as a miked Fender (Deluxe).

The Digi is a floor unit. My q's about the POD:

Can to combine FX?

How do you switch in a gigging situation? Floor? Hand?
Is the "floor board" a must if you're going to gig w/ a POD?

Thx
Chip L

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Mikkel Bech-Petersen

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Dec 12, 2002, 9:10:13 AM12/12/02
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"Ted Vieira" wrote

>
> No I haven't tried the software yet. I've always wanted to, but have kind
of
> always forgotten about it. I'll check it out. Thanks for reminding me.
>

Yes - you really should give yourself some time to check it out. I always
found it a little hard to get the right tone using my POD, but after
discovering the SoundDiver program I have been able to program a lot of
presets I really like. Plus you can download a bunch of presets from the
Internet for inspiration.

Regards

Mikkel


Ted Vieira

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Dec 12, 2002, 10:51:12 AM12/12/02
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Actually, it's just an old DOD stereo 15 band eq. Not the Cadillac of eq by
any means, but since the POD doesn't have a graphic eq built into it's
programming, I just thought I'd through it in for a little extra control.
That's one thing I wish that Line6 would've included with the POD. Maybe
they did something like this for the XT. I don't know, haven't had a chance
to look at it yet.

Ted

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Ted Vieira

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Dec 12, 2002, 11:06:47 AM12/12/02
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> Ted - I'm curious about the POD. I also play the R&B gig occasionally and
> have been using a Digitech RP 100 modeler/MFX as my sole effects box. Tossed
> all the stomp boxes. I've even modeled a Twin and gone direct although the
> tone is not as good as a miked Fender (Deluxe).
>
> The Digi is a floor unit. My q's about the POD:
>
> Can to combine FX?
>
> How do you switch in a gigging situation? Floor? Hand?
> Is the "floor board" a must if you're going to gig w/ a POD?
>
> Thx
> Chip L

Hey Chip,

There is a minimum amount of fx combining. The FX on the POD are pretty
minimal. You can't do a lot of editing and programming the way you could
with a unit like a Digitech 2101, or something like that where you can
combine FX (as many as you want) in any order and have page after page of
parameters to set up.

Here are the isolated FX you can select from:
Delay, Rotory, Flangers, Chorus, Trememlo, Compressor

Here are the combinations:
Delay w/Comp., Delay w/Tremelo, Delay w/Chorus, Delay w/Flanger, and Delay
w/Swell.

It's got a global reverb just like an amp would have.

You can 'tweak' the settings of each effect a little. I really like the
minimal approach Line6 has taken with this. It's set up for very practical
sounding results and you can usually get what you want fairly quickly. This
works fine for me because I don't really use a lot of FX.

The 'Floorboard' that you can use with the POD works great. It comes with a
global wah that you can turn on and off like a CryBaby, and it comes with a
global volume thats pretty smooth.

For my needs, the POD is really well set up. I love having one unit that's
so portable that can cover all my playing situations.

Ted


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Ted Vieira

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Dec 12, 2002, 11:10:45 AM12/12/02
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> Yes - you really should give yourself some time to check it out. I always
> found it a little hard to get the right tone using my POD, but after
> discovering the SoundDiver program I have been able to program a lot of
> presets I really like. Plus you can download a bunch of presets from the
> Internet for inspiration.
>
> Regards
>
> Mikkel

Yeah, that really sounds great. I'm looking forward to playing with it. Do
you just hook the POD up via MIDI? Can you hear the changes while you're
programming on the computer? So far the POD's been pretty easy to get what I
want out of it, but I can see how having the graphic interface of the
computer could make things even easier.

EHHackney

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Dec 12, 2002, 11:41:16 AM12/12/02
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Thanks, Ted.

A more complete E.Q. is the thing that is missing for me in all the multiple FX
units - either a multi-band EQ, preferrably at least 15-band, or at the least
something like the LR Baggs PADI, which has bass, tunable mid, presence, highs
and a tunable notch.

The Yamaha AG-Stomp, made for acoustic guitars, has something like that built
in, but doesn't have lots of the other effects that would be good to have
available. It's pretty pricey, too.

Hack
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Max Leggett

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Dec 12, 2002, 2:07:54 PM12/12/02
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On 12 Dec 2002 16:41:16 GMT, ehha...@aol.com (EHHackney) wrote:

>A more complete E.Q. is the thing that is missing for me in all the multiple FX
>units - either a multi-band EQ, preferrably at least 15-band, or at the least
>something like the LR Baggs PADI, which has bass, tunable mid, presence, highs
>and a tunable notch.

That's my only gripe with the Pod - the bass/mid/treble controls seem
more cosmetic than anything else. But a nice unit all the same - I
find that dialoing in an inaudible amout of drive helps fatten things
up.

Norman Webb

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Dec 12, 2002, 6:41:25 PM12/12/02
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>
> Yeah, that really sounds great. I'm looking forward to playing with it. Do
> you just hook the POD up via MIDI? Can you hear the changes while you're
> programming on the computer? So far the POD's been pretty easy to get what
I
> want out of it, but I can see how having the graphic interface of the
> computer could make things even easier.
>
> Ted
>

Yes, you connect via midi and the graphical interface changes the POD
parameters in real time. When you get the sound you want save it to disk and
on the POD.
As I mentioned before you can change the parameters of many of the effects.
eg the wah wah can have the range and the way the wah changes with pedal
movement altered.

One aspect that I wish I had the time to investigate is that if you use midi
backing tracks from a midi controller you should be able to send out program
data on a separate channel to the pod to alter the effects at the
appropriate time in the song.

Regards

Norm

Ted Vieira

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Dec 13, 2002, 5:34:39 PM12/13/02
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> Ted, I would have presented my query below to you too
> but I know you run a MAC.. :^) cheers thom_j.

Ah yes, I live in the land of Mac. :-) Thanks Thom. I am looking forward to
checking out using the computer to do editing. Who knows when I'll actually
get around to it, but it sounds great.

Ted

Ted Vieira

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Dec 13, 2002, 5:39:45 PM12/13/02
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> One aspect that I wish I had the time to investigate is that if you use midi
> backing tracks from a midi controller you should be able to send out program
> data on a separate channel to the pod to alter the effects at the
> appropriate time in the song.
>
> Regards
>
> Norm

I would think so. I knew some guys who worked out of L.A. that were in
heavily 'sequenced' bands... keyboard parts, bass parts, drum and percussion
parts, even light shows were all programmed in the sequences. Some of the
guitar players I knew were even having the sequencer send appropriate
parameter changes to their processors during the songs. It was pretty
interesting... not really my 'bag' though. I would imagine the POD would be
able to accept MIDI data in that fashion.

thom_j.

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Dec 13, 2002, 6:05:31 PM12/13/02
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Just get that next CD done.. ya will? :^) Happy Holidays tee'jay

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Gnease

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Dec 14, 2002, 5:53:21 PM12/14/02
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FYI to those who are registered owners of PODs (1 or 2):

Line6 will upgrade your PODs firmware for free. To check your firmware version,
hold down the manual button while turning on the unit. After "P O D 2.0" or
similar scrolls across the display, the version number will appear. The current
firmware is 2.3 (or 2.4?). If your version is older (1.0 through 2.2), call
Line6 tech support with the S/N and version. They will send you a PROM (memory
chip) to replace that in your unit.

I haven't done any critical comparisons, but the general consensus of the POD
list server subscribers is the upgrade substantially improves several of the
models.

-Greg


Bill Francis

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Dec 15, 2002, 1:01:27 PM12/15/02
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My Pod does not show a firmware number. It spelles out "POD2.0", and then
goes to the last preset I was using.

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Gnease

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Dec 15, 2002, 3:20:12 PM12/15/02
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>My Pod does not show a firmware number. It spelles out "POD2.0", and then
>goes to the last preset I was using.
>
>--
>Bill Francis

Bill:

Continue to press the manual button during the entire readout process. Just
checked mine: I get (one character at time):

P o d 2 . 0 <pause> 2 . 3

It is possible that an original 2.0 version does not register a second " 2 . 0"
If you can't get it to read anything different, just call Line6 and tell 'em
yours is a 2.0. Tech support is friendly -- I doubt they will give you a hard
time.

-Greg

Bill Francis

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Dec 15, 2002, 5:17:23 PM12/15/02
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Thanks, Greg
The manual button did the trick; I have version 2.1

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icarusi

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Dec 16, 2002, 8:49:49 PM12/16/02
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EHHackney <ehha...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks, Ted.
>
> A more complete E.Q. is the thing that is missing for me in all
the multiple FX
> units - either a multi-band EQ, preferrably at least 15-band,
or at the least
> something like the LR Baggs PADI, which has bass, tunable mid,
presence, highs
> and a tunable notch.

If you can manage with 10 band mono, the Roland EQ-20 pedal has 9
memories for alternative settings of the graphic.

Icarusi
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EHHackney

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Dec 17, 2002, 7:49:33 PM12/17/02
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>If you can manage with 10 band mono, the Roland EQ-20 pedal has 9
>memories for alternative settings of the graphic.
>
>Icarusi

That sounds interesting. I'll look at it.

Thanks,

Hack
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