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Duane81

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Dec 5, 2000, 11:49:58 PM12/5/00
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I know, i know... but c'mon, tell me the album that changed your life, and
hopefully i don't have it.. For me, the album that blew me away and made me
finally 'fell' and fall in love with jazz was Metheny's last trio album. Since
then, i have listened to some even better stuff, but i am looking for that
initial rush again.. or does that only come once??

-Duane

jbd...@my-deja.com

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In article <20001205234958...@ng-fi1.aol.com>,
For me it was Bitches Brew. The day I heard that was the first day of
the rest of my life. I wasn't even really into jazz when I heard it,
but when i heard it I knew I was missing something. It sparked a
discovery of not only jazz but of the arts as well. It opened up
worlds to me. Since then, I've become a musician and a jazz musician.
Most of the music I play now does not sound like Brew, but that's
because I've, in turn, gotten into much more stuff. Now Brew is just
one out of a multitude of musical influences, but that was the "changed
your life" music moment for me.

Josh


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Cribcage

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duane writes:

<< For me, the album that blew me away and made me finally 'fell' and fall in
love with jazz was Metheny's last trio album. Since then, i have listened to
some even better stuff, but i am looking for that initial rush again.. or does
that only come once?? >>

that's an interesting question. i'm not sure that it's ever quite the same as
the first time; however, if it makes you feel better, as i've learned more
about jazz i've become able to appreciate it more, and the "feeling" that now
comes with finding a spectacular cd is even better.

that metheny disc is a great starting point. i'm not a big fan of the pat
metheny group stuff, but that metheny/grenadier/stewart trio is as solid as
i've ever heard -- probably as close to the level of peterson/brown/ellis as
anyone can get.

crib

Tom Lippincott

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this is by no means what I would consider the "best jazz album" (I think it's
impossible to name just one) but the first jazz record I ever bought that made
me really start to love jazz and feel like I kind of "got it" was a record
called Miles Davis' Greatest Hits, particularly the tune My Funny Valentine,
which is from the record of the same name.

Tom Lippincott
Guitarist, Composer, Teacher
audio samples, articles, CD's at:
http://www.tomlippincott.com

Martin B.

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As far as guitar jazz goes the first time I heard Joe Pass' "Sounds of
Synanon" lp it was like a spiritual experience--especially in light of
the circumstances surrounding the recoring to begin with. I first
heard it around 1972 when it was 10 or 11 years old..

No way would I say that this is a "best" album though, just one that
was instrumental (pardon the pun) in fueling my desire to learn guitar
jazz and listen to others.

I do hope that someday that session will be released in its entirety
on CD.

Martin

juvenal

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"Duane81" wrote...

> tell me the album that changed your life

Midnight Blue. First listen, I really liked the feel. Upon subsequent
listenings, I suddenly "got it". I could hear the head & the solos, the
scales over the changes; jazz made sense, after all. Still one of my
favorites.

Timothy Juvenal

IvanDRodriguez

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Can't really say I have a "best" album. The first Jazz Album I ever
heard/owned, was Midnight Blue / Kenny Burrell. The cut "Soul Lament" was the
first chord melody I ever heard. It's not a very "busy" solo. Very laid back,
but penetrating.

It cut right through me and literally changed the way I felt about music. Jazz
became an important part of my life from that point on.

Ivan

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Pete Kerezman

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>... tell me the album that changed your life...

Modern Jazz Quartet "Third Stream Music," specifically the John
Lewis composition "Sketch."

Texas Pete
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Victor Magnani

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The first really good jazz album I ever got, which was also the first
really good jazz gutiar album I ever got, was "Jim Hall Live". Still
hasn't been topped!

There were only 3 musical epiphanies for me, "Jim Hall Live", Frank
Zappa's "Jazz From Hell", and Elliott Carter's "Third String Quartet".

Victor

Kevin Van Sant

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The first jazz record I owned was a Concord jazz guitar sampler that I
found in, of all places, Indonesia. It had Herb Ellis, Howard
Roberts, Kenny Burrell, Cal Collins, Remo Palmieri, Joe Pass, Laurindo
Almeda, Charlie Byrd... maybe one or two more. It is far from any
lofty status of a "best" record, but it was the only jazz record I had
when I was a kid and I kept getting more and more drawn to it over the
years. I think there have been a number of records that have had big
impact on me since then though. Believe it or not, one of the first
records to begin pulling me out of rockdom was Pharaoh Sanders'
"Karma". The first Oscar Peterson record I heard killed me, as did
the first Miles record I got, which was purely by chance, "Workin'".
Monk's "Genius of Modern Music", and of course the first time I heard
Barney Kessel, I think it was Hampton Hawes' "Four" I was I was
completely whooped, same as when I heard Pass' "Virtuoso", and Wes'
"Smokin at the Halfnote". Or "Question and Answer". I believe my
answer to your question would be yes, that rush can occur again and
again, it seems to be most powerful upon introduction to a particular
artist.
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Kevin Van Sant
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Tom Walls

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Djangology '49(originally an LP entitled simply Djagology). During my
scufflin' years I used a stereo with only one speaker, so mono records were
preferred. This was one of my favorites. Django was a big influence, but I
think the only time anyone would hear it would be when I'm playing jazz on my
flattop.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/


peatea

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Even though there have been many excellent albums produced through the
years, "Time Out" by the Dave Brubeck Quartet has had the most influance on
me.
Pt

Jeff Gower

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In article <20001205234958...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, dua...@aol.com
(Duane81) wrote:

> I know, i know... but c'mon, tell me the album that changed your life.....

I was an 8-year-old kid, taking classical guitar lessons, bemoaning my
impression that the only "cool" guitarists played electric guitar, when my
teacher and my dad took me to see the Charlie Byrd Trio in 1969, which was
a revelation to me - afterwards I bought the 1963 "Byrd At the Gate"
record. That did it for me. Of course, it is by no standard the "best
jazz album" in my collection, but it was the first of many influential
ones for me, in that I remain to this day a nylon-stringer. ;-)

Jeff
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www.jeffgower.com

RWS880

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I would have to say Coltrane live at Birdland - Alabama.

Rob Stephenson

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I found the recent trio discs (studio and live) quite boring. Metheny
never seems to reach any intensity level in his improvisation and on disc
2 of the live disc when he starts playing his brand of noise I think I
found another coaster for my table!

There are other free/noise players who are true artists at what they do.
Some UI like, some not but Metheny should have given it up with the other
horrible noise disc he did.

Mark Cally

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When I bought "Undercurrents" by Jim Hall and Bill Evans, I remember sitting
and listening to it over and over and over. I couldn't believe two people
could be that telepathic. It was very exciting for me, and opened up my love
for the music.
Mark

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Max Leggett

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Django with the Hot Club of France. I'd heard jazz before then, but
Django pulled it all together for mae and made it make sense. And
after that, Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus. Mgnificent stuff.


Max

bes...@hotmail.com

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For me, there are two;

"Out to Lunch" by Eric Dolphy. This is a great CD that fits in
that "out, but not too out" class. Free jazz you can hum.

"Bing, Bing, Bing" by The Charlie Hunter Trio. This opened my eyes that
good jazz, by people like me that grew up on rock was being made. I do
not want to get started on a Charlie Hunter thread (he seems to drive
some people nuts), but I dig this CD. Especially the treatment he
gave "Come As You Are".

Bruce Stevens


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Joe Finn

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The best jazz album has yet to be recorded. It will feature great virtuoso
improvisation by well established players and some fascinating new talent. It will
be stylistically innovative and will have great popular appeal. It will be complex
and stimulating to critics and will feature simple melodies that anybody could
whistle. It will honor the tradition while breaking new ground. It will push the
envelope yet everyone will love it. Will any of us be on it? ...joe

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rob

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I don't have a "best Jazz" album. As someone else mentioned earlier
they are too many great albums. But for me, John Mclauglin's "My Goals
Beyond" and Pat Martino's "Live!" turned my ears upside down. I
first heard "My Goals Beyond" around 71-72 and after hearing that
album, I had to learn more about Mclaughlin. In the process of
discovering John Mclaughlin's influences I made this wonderful trip
backward through Miles,Coltrane, Chalie Parker,Lester Young etc. I
haven't been the same since.
As a player, PMs "Live!" album just floored me. I started playing
rather late in life about 20 or so and was primarlily an aspiring
blues,rock player. In 73' I had a friend who worked in a record store
who told me I had to hear this album by Pat Martino. At the time I
didn't know who he was. . Man, when I heard Martino's version of
"Sunny" I was stunned. I must of worn out a couple copies of that
record trying (operative word) to play along. rob taft

rob

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On 06 Dec 2000 15:38:34 GMT, rws...@aol.com (RWS880) wrote:

>I would have to say Coltrane live at Birdland - Alabama.
>
>Rob Stephenson

One of my personal favorites. A powerful piece where Coltrane invokes
the emotions, heartache and passion of the era. Played it a couple of
days ago and still moves me. rob taft

sdey...@my-deja.com

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KIND OF BLUE and GIANT STEPS were the two that prompted me to start
actively seeking out jazz music. However, the album that really blew me
away in my early days as a jazz listener was Sonny Rollins' THE BRIDGE.

Mike Ellenberger

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Great variety in what everyone lists as an "eye-opener". I
think the album that really made me want to play jazz was
"Willow Weep for Me" by Wes. What those guys did with the
songs recorded on that record just astounded me. I believe this
record had the recording of "Impressions" on which you can
hear Wes laughing. I always assumed this was Wes.

Mike

--
Mike Ellenberger
Listen to some soundclips at
http://home.att.net/~grumpmeister/MikesJazzPage.html

Jose Paulo Xavier Pires

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Duane81 wrote:

Jimmy Smith and Wes: " The further advantures of Jimmy and Wes"
The first jazz record I listened.
That album changed my life and is still one of my favorites.


dominique poublan

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> I know, i know... but c'mon, tell me the album that changed your life,

Although it isn't his best album and not only a "jazz album", I think my
"best jazz album" is the one I discovered Miles Davis with : "The Man With A
Horn" with a great Mike Stern's solo in song "Fat Time".
After that, this album pushed me to discover a lot of what Miles did before,
acoustic and electric : Kind Of Blue, Bitches Brew, Miles in The Sky
etc.....and a lot of other jazz-men from Archie Shepp to Coltrane....and a
lot more :-)

Dominique

RG

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You guys were introduced to jazz with some pretty sophisticated stuff!

Me? Swiss Movement - Les McCann/Eddie Harris. Somebody snuck the LP
on at a party between Zeppelin and Yes albums. I never looked back.

First jazz guitar head turner, El Hombre - Pat Martino.

-RG


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Rilke3432

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Mine was also a Metheny record, "Question and Answer". That record just blew my
mind open. I had heard "jazz guitar" and was really bored by most of it,
including Pass, Kessel, Scofield, Green and others but that record just opened
up everything to me because of the emotion in it, it wasn't a technical thing.
(although now after trying to play the things that he plays - and makes sound
so damn easy - on "Solar" for 10 years, I realize how technical it IS!).

After that, I fell in love with Wes Montgomery and Jim Hall. But I have to say,
Metheny is still the man for me - and his new live trio disc has more ideas
than just about any record I have heard in the past few years - and a kind of
variety on it that I don't think there is any guitarist on earth who can
effectively compete with in terms of improvisational depth and invention - not
to mention feeling and soul.

Lndsh95725

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Miles- Kind of Blue, Nefertiti, Tribute to Jack Johnson.
Beatles-Revolver,White Album. Joe Pass-Virtuoso, For Django. John Coltrane-
Live at Birdland, Love Supreme. Stevie Wonder- Innervisions, Songs in the Key
of Life. Anything by Bird and Diz, and Bill Evans-You're gonna hear from me.
Can I put anything by Tal Farlow on my list? Ok then. Oh and anything by Wes,
except maybe the California Dreamin' stuff. This list is getting out of hand.
Any King Crimson fans out there? Bye.

Nathaniel Najar

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The record that made me pick up the instrument is Wes Montgomery's "Smokin
at the Half Note."

Nate

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Willie K. Yee, MD

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> >... tell me the album that changed your life...

Charlie Christian with Benny Goodman.

Really.

I think I am the last person on the planet for whom CC was the first
jazz guitarist I ever HEARD. Not counting Bill Smith, who was a
Pittsburgh local who dropped outta sight decades ago.

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Florian Schmidt

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On 06 Dec 2000 04:49:58 GMT, dua...@aol.com (Duane81) wrote:

>I know, i know... but c'mon, tell me the album that changed your life, and
>hopefully i don't have it.. For me, the album that blew me away and made me
>finally 'fell' and fall in love with jazz was Metheny's last trio album. Since
>then, i have listened to some even better stuff, but i am looking for that
>initial rush again.. or does that only come once??

for me it was django, too (like for the poster opf the other answer)..
but i still do not know the title of the album.. i was about 14 or 15
years old, and i had music-class in what u would call "high school" in
america. i do not know what the subject of that class was exactly, but
our tacher made us listen to different music, mostly classical.. one
day he said "listen to this!" and put on some weird energetic pulsing
sound with a violin and a guitar as the leading instruments.. i asked
my teacher "what is this" (i was mostly into zztop and kiss and bob
marley at that time).. he said "django rheinhardt".. i asked "can u
make me a copy of it?". he said "Sure".. i gave him a 90 minute tape
and he put on 90 minutes of django rheinhardt.. at that time i thought
the violin player was django.. anyways.. in the following weeks i sat
at home and listened to this tape over and over again and i asked
myself "from where do these guys get this energy and these melodies?".
this i ask myself still today.. i am still wondering which records
these are, for i lost the tape and really miss it.. all the
djangorecords i listened to (except of the tape) had a really crappy
sound. the music is wonderfull, but the recording sucks..so which
records that u know of feature grappelli and rheinhardt and have a
really good sound (recordingwise)?


--
Florian Schmidt
lo...@gmx.de
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Phil Bedaw

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Miles Davis---Sketches of Spain. Heard it first when I was a wide-eyed
freshman in Boston in 1963. Literally became part of the soundtrack of
my life.


Adam Bravo

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Oddly enough, "A Charlie Brown Christmas," and Vince is still my favorite
player.

"Duane81" <dua...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I know, i know... but c'mon, tell me the album that changed your life, and
> hopefully i don't have it.. For me, the album that blew me away and made
me
> finally 'fell' and fall in love with jazz was Metheny's last trio album.
Since
> then, i have listened to some even better stuff, but i am looking for that
> initial rush again.. or does that only come once??
>

> -Duane

RobinsonCHAZZ

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<< tell me the album that changed your life...
>>
It was an album by guitarist Bill Jennings who used to record with Willis
Jackson and Jack Mc Duff during the 50's. I was very much into the blues when I
was around 17 and bought it thinking that it was a hardcore blues album. Later
"Kind of Blue " ( Miles) pulled me all of the way over. CR


Soapy10999

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>I know, i know... but c'mon, tell me the album that changed your life, and
>hopefully i don't have it..

Breezin', I was like 13 or 14 when my first teacher gave me that w/ some Wes on
hte other side. Totally opened new doors. Because of the experience I
encourage/demand all my students to bring me blank tapes/CD's so they hear have
the same opportunity.

Bunker

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Any album Thelonious Monk
Kind of Blue- Miles Davis
Heavy Weather - Weather Report
A Love Supreme- Coltrane


Duane81

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>I can't say that an album ever changed my life. Getting married, yes;
>having children, yes; an album, not hardly. Lots of them I really like,
>
>but change my life? Nah....

Sorry to hear that :)

Duane81

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>I can't say that an album ever changed my life. Getting married, yes;
>having children, yes; an album, not hardly. Lots of them I really like,
>
>but change my life? Nah....

Didn't mean to send that last message already... but jazz has truly changed my
life, finally 'getting' jazz opened my mind to an understanding of art.
Before, i was more impressed by the acrobatics of the guitarist, the realism of
the painting, etc.. but now i understand art for what it is. It truly runs
very deep and was definately triggered by that album.. i do mean that.

Duane81

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>I can't say that an album ever changed my life. Getting married, yes;
>having children, yes; an album, not hardly. Lots of them I really like,
>
>but change my life? Nah....

One more thing on this :):
As the essay in the booklet of Coltrane Live at Birdland puts it: "[Jazz] is
one reason why suicide seems so boring."

Stan Gosnell

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dua...@aol.com (Duane81) wrote in <20001208121512.07503.00006850@ng-
cs1.aol.com>:

Music has certainly made a difference in my life, & it would be far poorer
without music, but I like other kinds of music also. There is a difference
between music and a particular album. I would hate to have to live without
music, but I can't think of a particular album I couldn't live without
hearing.

F.

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"Mark Cally" <mile...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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> When I bought "Undercurrents" by Jim Hall and Bill Evans, I remember
sitting
> and listening to it over and over and over. I couldn't believe two people
> could be that telepathic. It was very exciting for me, and opened up my
love
> for the music.
> Mark

oh man. their versions of My Funny Valentine (especially what is now track
2 on the disc) still send shivers down my spine.

it was one of a series of individual tunes that gradually got me into jazz
because i thought those tunes were so cool.: first it was Wayne Shorter
doing Footprints and Infant Eyes, then Monk's Well You Needn't. took me a
while trying to get my head inside that Blue Note greatest hits of Monk,
starting in college. what really did it, i think, was Bill Evans and Scott
La Faro on Gloria's Step, Alice in Wonderland (used to hum/"conduct" that
one a lot...:), and Jade Visions as standouts on Sunday at the Village
Vanguard, whereupon someone recommended Undercurrents.

Kind of Blue and then Green Dolphin St. off of '58 Miles clinched it. :)

damn, this is cool thread. now i have to go back and listen to some of this
stuff that i haven't heard in a while...

> Duane81 <dua...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Since


> > then, i have listened to some even better stuff, but i am looking for
that
> > initial rush again.. or does that only come once??

i get that rush listening to live jazz, more than just once...every once in
awhile i get hit with an epiphany from live performance that makes me go
track down the record. last time it happened was with Metheny doing Song
for Bilbao here a couple a years ago, but it took me awhile to actually go
get Travels. come to think of it, i think that's why i latched onto
Footprints and jazz in general, was through live performance. Jim Hall was
the first jazz concert (and a hell of a good one) i ever saw (circa 1987?
1988?), and did a great workshop earlier that day, so i guess i can blame
him for starting it. :)

cheers,
frank

Fazzoli

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If you want to talk about inspirational albums, coming from a guitarists
standpoint there is no other besides "For Django" by Joe Pass. That album
changed my life forever.


Søren Olsen

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> >
> For me it was Bitches Brew.

For me, too! Actually, Stan Getz playing Antonio Carlos Jobim was the
beginning ... but I remember the day I listened to Pharao's Dance for the
first time ... yes, the first day of the rest of my life was the right way
to put it.

Soren Olsen

Al Schlimm

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Metheny's Bright Size Life. No doubt about it. I simply didn't play the
same after that.


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> "Duane81" wrote...


> > tell me the album that changed your life
>

> Midnight Blue. First listen, I really liked the feel. Upon subsequent
> listenings, I suddenly "got it". I could hear the head & the solos, the
> scales over the changes; jazz made sense, after all. Still one of my
> favorites.
>
> Timothy Juvenal
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Søren Olsen

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Feb 4, 2001, 6:00:48 AM2/4/01
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Hey, where's the beginning of this thread?? I didn't have the time to go
through all mails a week ago, and now all of them except two have
disappeared! Does this newsgroup have archives??

Soren Olsen

Stan Gosnell

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Feb 4, 2001, 1:21:25 PM2/4/01
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type...@worldonline.dk (Søren Olsen) wrote in
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>Hey, where's the beginning of this thread?? I didn't have the time to go
>through all mails a week ago, and now all of them except two have
>disappeared! Does this newsgroup have archives??

Internet providers have differing times for keeping newsgroups. Also
newsreaders may or may not show read articles. The only archive I know of
is dejanews.

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Regards,

Stan

gerry garavaglia

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Feb 5, 2001, 3:51:56 PM2/5/01
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Deja.com should give you the postings from this thread.\


Gerry

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