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Anybody thinkig of trying Fender's new Excelsior amp for jazz?
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Greg D
Feb 6, 2012, 3:03:20 PM2/6/12
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13W, 2-6V6, 2-12AX7, bright/dark switch, 15" speaker - $299.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fender-pawn-shop-special-excelsior-13w-1x15-tube-guitar-combo-amp/h79027000001000
Greg
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fender-pawn-shop-special-excelsior-13w-1x15-tube-guitar-combo-amp/h79027000001000
Greg
thomas
Feb 6, 2012, 6:58:41 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 6, 3:03 pm, Greg D <oasy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 13W, 2-6V6, 2-12AX7, bright/dark switch, 15" speaker - $299.
>
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fender-pawn-shop-special-excel...
> 13W, 2-6V6, 2-12AX7, bright/dark switch, 15" speaker - $299.
>
The model name is a little too Harry Potter. But please let me know
how it sounds.
van
Feb 7, 2012, 12:14:52 AM2/7/12
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I'm not sure what to use anymore. Today I played a show (Pippin) with
my "rock" amp, a Peavey Transtube EFX 112, and then went straight to a
jazz big band gig, so I had to use the same amp. The leader told me
the amp sounded much better than my AI Coda or Cube-60 on my jazz
solos.
Maybe the Kent Armstong p/u that was specially made for the B-120
responds better with the PV than my old Seymour Duncan/ Seth Lover p/
u?
I don't know.
Tim McNamara
Feb 7, 2012, 1:28:55 AM2/7/12
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In article
<b934e5c5-b38a-472a...@dn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
I'm thinking it's a trade-off. If it's anything like my situation with
similar amps, I'd guess that the Peavey probably has a bit of subtle
distortion which fattens up the lead lines but makes the chords a bit
muddier; the AI and the Cube 60 are cleaner with the chords but the lean
lines sound a bit thinner.
In my case it's my Fender Pro Reverb vs an AI Claris 2r/Redstone 8" cab
or a Cube 60 or a really old MB II. The Pro Reverb's clean headroom is
just lower and the tube effects make solo lines sound beefier while the
chords are too thick. Of course the PR is a 2 x 12 with an open back,
so that may make the difference rather than how the signal is processed.
With the Cube 60 I use the Blackface setting and set the gain low, just
enough to roughen things up a smidge. I've also used a boost pedal with
that amp to fatten up the lines while being able to click it off and
have cleaner chords; that worked well.
My Clarus/Redstone setup seems to be the best compromise of the four
although I want to try the Clarus with a 12" cab. The 8" cab is a
little boxy sounding with my archtop (although it's great with my nylon
string and very good with my Tele).
--
This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in
unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in.
Theodore Roosevelt
<b934e5c5-b38a-472a...@dn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
similar amps, I'd guess that the Peavey probably has a bit of subtle
distortion which fattens up the lead lines but makes the chords a bit
muddier; the AI and the Cube 60 are cleaner with the chords but the lean
lines sound a bit thinner.
In my case it's my Fender Pro Reverb vs an AI Claris 2r/Redstone 8" cab
or a Cube 60 or a really old MB II. The Pro Reverb's clean headroom is
just lower and the tube effects make solo lines sound beefier while the
chords are too thick. Of course the PR is a 2 x 12 with an open back,
so that may make the difference rather than how the signal is processed.
With the Cube 60 I use the Blackface setting and set the gain low, just
enough to roughen things up a smidge. I've also used a boost pedal with
that amp to fatten up the lines while being able to click it off and
have cleaner chords; that worked well.
My Clarus/Redstone setup seems to be the best compromise of the four
although I want to try the Clarus with a 12" cab. The 8" cab is a
little boxy sounding with my archtop (although it's great with my nylon
string and very good with my Tele).
--
This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in
unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in.
Theodore Roosevelt
terrasbeest
Feb 7, 2012, 1:29:24 AM2/7/12
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On 6 feb, 21:03, Greg D <oasy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 13W, 2-6V6, 2-12AX7, bright/dark switch, 15" speaker - $299.
>
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fender-pawn-shop-special-excel...
> 13W, 2-6V6, 2-12AX7, bright/dark switch, 15" speaker - $299.
>
>
> Greg
No EQ.
rpjazzguitar
Feb 7, 2012, 2:07:29 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 6, 12:03 pm, Greg D <oasy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 13W, 2-6V6, 2-12AX7, bright/dark switch, 15" speaker - $299.
>
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fender-pawn-shop-special-excel...
> 13W, 2-6V6, 2-12AX7, bright/dark switch, 15" speaker - $299.
>
>
> Greg
At that price point, I'd be wondering if the pots and tubes are
mounted right on the circuit board. Whenever I have a problem with an
electronic device, that's usually the culprit.
van
Feb 7, 2012, 2:30:45 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 1:28 am, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article
> <b934e5c5-b38a-472a-8e28-86be44740...@dn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> Theodore Roosevelt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, you're probably right. The chords are too thick with the PV,
but I never realized it beefed up the single line things until last
night.
The Pro Reverb has two 12s? That must make it as heavy as my my SF
1970 Twin Reverb. How do you carry it?
I have an orange, Japanese Cube that I bought new in 1985, so I don't
have the option to use modeling with it. It used to have a nice Ed
Bickert sound till the speaker finally dried up and cracked, Now it's
got more of a Kenny Burrell sound, with the lightweight speaker my
tech put in it. Like the Coda/RS, only good for jazz.
> In article
> <b934e5c5-b38a-472a-8e28-86be44740...@dn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, you're probably right. The chords are too thick with the PV,
but I never realized it beefed up the single line things until last
night.
The Pro Reverb has two 12s? That must make it as heavy as my my SF
1970 Twin Reverb. How do you carry it?
I have an orange, Japanese Cube that I bought new in 1985, so I don't
have the option to use modeling with it. It used to have a nice Ed
Bickert sound till the speaker finally dried up and cracked, Now it's
got more of a Kenny Burrell sound, with the lightweight speaker my
tech put in it. Like the Coda/RS, only good for jazz.
Tim McNamara
Feb 7, 2012, 3:05:58 PM2/7/12
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In article
<0e69ba1b-9b82-418d...@l1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > my nylon string and very good with my Tele). - Show quoted text -
noticed some of this with mine, so your post just sort of connected to
that.
> The Pro Reverb has two 12s? That must make it as heavy as my my SF
> 1970 Twin Reverb. How do you carry it?
It hasn't left the house more than once or twice in the past 15 years.
With two JBL K120s in it, it weighs about 80 lbs. I can't hardly pick
the thing up without needing hernia surgery afterwards. It needs some
work after years of neglect and I am pondering trying some "neo"
speakers in hopes of getting a decent sound and a weight reduction of
about 20 lbs (I need a weight reduction of about 20 lbs, too).
> I have an orange, Japanese Cube that I bought new in 1985, so I don't
> have the option to use modeling with it. It used to have a nice Ed
> Bickert sound till the speaker finally dried up and cracked, Now it's
> got more of a Kenny Burrell sound, with the lightweight speaker my
> tech put in it. Like the Coda/RS, only good for jazz.
I've never tried one of those orange Cube 60s. They look a bit more
compact that the modern Cube 60, which is already pretty compact.
<0e69ba1b-9b82-418d...@l1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Yeah, you're probably right. The chords are too thick with the PV,
> but I never realized it beefed up the single line things until last
> night.
Coincidentally I have been doing some playing around with amps and
> Yeah, you're probably right. The chords are too thick with the PV,
> but I never realized it beefed up the single line things until last
> night.
noticed some of this with mine, so your post just sort of connected to
that.
> The Pro Reverb has two 12s? That must make it as heavy as my my SF
> 1970 Twin Reverb. How do you carry it?
With two JBL K120s in it, it weighs about 80 lbs. I can't hardly pick
the thing up without needing hernia surgery afterwards. It needs some
work after years of neglect and I am pondering trying some "neo"
speakers in hopes of getting a decent sound and a weight reduction of
about 20 lbs (I need a weight reduction of about 20 lbs, too).
> I have an orange, Japanese Cube that I bought new in 1985, so I don't
> have the option to use modeling with it. It used to have a nice Ed
> Bickert sound till the speaker finally dried up and cracked, Now it's
> got more of a Kenny Burrell sound, with the lightweight speaker my
> tech put in it. Like the Coda/RS, only good for jazz.
compact that the modern Cube 60, which is already pretty compact.
thomas
Feb 7, 2012, 5:21:31 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 2:07 pm, rpjazzguitar <rpjazzgui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> At that price point, I'd be wondering if the pots and tubes are
> mounted right on the circuit board. Whenever I have a problem with an
> electronic device, that's usually the culprit.
I would bet they are made very cheaply. They still might sound okay
>
> At that price point, I'd be wondering if the pots and tubes are
> mounted right on the circuit board. Whenever I have a problem with an
> electronic device, that's usually the culprit.
until they break, but I'm guessing they have cheap transformers and do
distortion better than clean.
Charlie X
Feb 8, 2012, 4:21:52 PM2/8/12
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THe new fender machete looks fantastic..but its 2k and 70 lbs...but
check the youtube on them...seems perfect if they were 1/2 the price
and weight.
check the youtube on them...seems perfect if they were 1/2 the price
and weight.
Greg D
Feb 8, 2012, 7:00:58 PM2/8/12
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the 90's even down to the pedal board that comes with it. Fender
bought the Sunn name and then tried to capitalize on it with some
rather expensive tube amps in the 90's. 50W; check. White piping;
check. 12" speaker; check. Squarish cab; check.
I bought one soon after they flopped when Sam ash picked up Fender's
remaining stock. I paid $399 shipped for the 12" combo. The head went
for $299 on clearance. They were priced well over a grand, IIRC.
I hated that amp; it was loud, heavy and sounded like an ice pick
being thrust between my ears (for cleans). A few years later those
amps became semi-collectible and now people happily pay over a grand
for 'em. I remember thinking to myself, I should get 3 or 4 of these
and keep them in the box so I can sell 'em 10--15 years out.
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