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Joe Pass: I Remember Charlie Parker (what kind of guitar)?

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Jonathan (not from Cleveland)

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Nov 4, 2009, 9:36:42 AM11/4/09
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This morning I was listening to the track "Just Friends" on the Joe
Pass album "I Remember Charlie Parker,"
and it sounds like he is playing a classical guitar (which would seem
a bit improbable).
If he is playing an archtop, he's getting a really incredible tone...
If anyone happens to know what gear he used on this recording (guitar,
strings, amp), I'd be very interested.
Or at least an educated guess :)

Thanks,
Jonathan

Bill C

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Nov 4, 2009, 10:34:51 AM11/4/09
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On Nov 4, 2:36 pm, "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)"

IIRC I think I read somewhere that Joe Pass used a Borys nylon string
for recording at some point ...

335

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Nov 4, 2009, 12:06:54 PM11/4/09
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On Nov 4, 8:36 am, "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)"

He played a classical guitar on a few different recordings. Songs for
Ellen is another one where he played a classical guitar.

Jonathan (not from Cleveland)

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Nov 4, 2009, 12:21:17 PM11/4/09
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Interesting.
I guess I need to listen to more of his recordings.
To me, his tone sounds a million times better on this track than on
the ones where I've heard him use an archtop.
I wonder what his thoughts were on the matter.

335

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Nov 4, 2009, 2:33:35 PM11/4/09
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On Nov 4, 11:21 am, "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)"
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He played a number of different guitars, mostly archtops. I think the
ES-175 was pretty much his signature sound as on Intercontinental. He
played a Fender Jaguar early on too. Most of his later live stuff was
on the Ibanez signature which sounded a bit thinner than the ES 175.
He played other archtops too at various times.

oscard

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Nov 4, 2009, 2:37:28 PM11/4/09
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On Nov 4, 8:36 am, "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)"
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I had that playing my car on the way to work too and I was thinking
the same, that sure sounds like nylon strings! Nice album, great
playing.

tomb...@jhu.edu

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Nov 4, 2009, 6:38:03 PM11/4/09
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On Nov 4, 8:36 am, "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)"
<gosto.do.vio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This morning I was listening to the track "Just Friends" on the Joe
> Pass album "I Remember Charlie Parker,"
> and it sounds like he is playing a classical guitar (which would seem
> a bit improbable).


That's a nylon string. Joe cut three entire solo guitar albums on
nylon string guitars.

Jonathan (not from Cleveland)

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Nov 5, 2009, 12:08:42 PM11/5/09
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Do you happen to know the names of the other two?

Thanks,
Jonathan

Fred

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Nov 5, 2009, 12:48:45 PM11/5/09
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Songs for Ellen is one of them.


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On Nov 5, 11:08 am, "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)"

<gosto.do.vio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 6:38 pm, "tombr...@jhu.edu" <tombr...@jhu.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 4, 8:36 am, "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)"
>
> > <gosto.do.vio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This morning I was listening to the track "Just Friends" on the Joe
> > > Pass album "I Remember Charlie Parker,"
> > > and it sounds like he is playing a classical guitar (which would seem
> > > a bit improbable).
>
> > That's a nylon string. Joe cut three entire solo guitar albums on
> > nylon string guitars.
>
> Do you happen to know the names of the other two?
>
> Thanks,
> Jonathan

Here are the recordings with Pass on nylon string AFAIK. There might
be more.

Songs for Ellen
Unforgettable ( same session as Songs for Ellen but a separate
release)
I Remember Charlie Parker

He plays a nylon string on a few selected tracks on the duo records
with Ella.
( Take Love Easy has at least one track with JP on nylon string) There
are other tracks with Ella where JP plays a nylon string but I don't
know the titles offhand.

335

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Nov 5, 2009, 12:59:30 PM11/5/09
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I think " You Took Advantage of Me" is one where he plays nylon
string. You could do a search to see which of the Fitzgerald/Pass
records that one is on.

Jonathan (not from Cleveland)

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Nov 5, 2009, 1:38:38 PM11/5/09
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On Nov 5, 12:48 pm, "Fred" <nob...@home.com> wrote:
> Songs for Ellen is one of them.
>
> "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)" <gosto.do.vio...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:031fc912-cded-4ecb...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 4, 6:38 pm, "tombr...@jhu.edu" <tombr...@jhu.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 4, 8:36 am, "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)"
>
> > <gosto.do.vio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This morning I was listening to the track "Just Friends" on the Joe
> > > Pass album "I Remember Charlie Parker,"
> > > and it sounds like he is playing a classical guitar (which would seem
> > > a bit improbable).
>
> > That's a nylon string. Joe cut three entire solo guitar albums on
> > nylon string guitars.
>
> Do you happen to know the names of the other two?
>
> Thanks,
> Jonathan

Thanks

Jonathan (not from Cleveland)

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Nov 5, 2009, 1:39:07 PM11/5/09
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Thanks

tomb...@jhu.edu

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:31:12 PM11/5/09
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On Nov 5, 11:08 am, "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)"

<gosto.do.vio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 6:38 pm, "tombr...@jhu.edu" <tombr...@jhu.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 4, 8:36 am, "Jonathan (not from Cleveland)"
>
> > <gosto.do.vio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This morning I was listening to the track "Just Friends" on the Joe
> > > Pass album "I Remember Charlie Parker,"
> > > and it sounds like he is playing a classical guitar (which would seem
> > > a bit improbable).
>
> > That's a nylon string. Joe cut three entire solo guitar albums on
> > nylon string guitars.
>
> Do you happen to know the names of the other two?

I was thinking of Songs for Ellen and Unforgettable. Both are from the
same session, a year or two before Joe died, and were released by
Pablo. They are really good records. Everyone always cites the
Virtuoso record, but I think Joe continued to develop as a solo
guitarist, and these recordings twenty years after Virtuoso are among
his best solo work. Unless you like the flashy chops, in which case go
with the earlier stuff.

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