Good speaker cable and 90 degree jacks
Nick DiGennaro
Minibrain to the Raezer's Edge but I want two right angle jacks as I always
put the cabinet on a chair. I guess most of the good wire is too thick to
use the right angle jacks. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Nick
Skip Moy
connectors. We have specified our RE cabinets with Neutric connectors (NL-4)
which allow for the use of high end and thicker speaker cable. These are
pro audio standard speaker connectors known for their reliability and secure
connection. Rich Raezer has informed that he now offers these connectors as
standard equipemnt for his upcoming speaker models in addition to the 1/4"
jack.
There are at least two options to look at :
1) Modify the output jack on the mini brain ( if there is space) and the RE
cabinet to a neutric connector.
2) Use oversized straight 1/4" inline connectors which Switchcraft makes and
see if that will take the larger diameter cable you plan to use.
Skip
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Walter Campbell
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I use (based on good ole' Julian Hirsch's '70s Stereo Review test) 16
gauge lamp cord and switchcraft 90 degree jacks and have had very good
luck. Clip the neg side about 1/8" shorter than the positive side and
solder positive to the center pole and the neg side to the side of the
case and the back will fit on (tightly) and go together properly.
Works and sounds great. (all voodoo and magic $150 + cables aside <G>!)
Walt Campbell
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> Works and sounds great. (all voodoo and magic $150 + cables aside
<G>!)
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The cost of speaker cables can be WAY more than $150 as the following
link will attest. I'm thinking of getting some of these babies for my
stereo. What do you think? Reasonably priced? I always thought the
cables should be the most expensive part of a component stereo.
http://www.needledoctor.com/s.nl/sc.2/it.A/id.1403/.f
Stan Gosnell
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> http://www.needledoctor.com/s.nl/sc.2/it.A/id.1403/.f
Oh, yeah, I gotta get a few of those. They'll make my 10-watt mini system
from WalMart sound really great! I paid almost $100 for it, and those
cables will really round things out.
--
Regards,
Stan
Jazz Guy
difference in sound between the high price cables and average price.
Copper is copper the shielding is what matters most. Any interference
from EMI and RFI is what you need to remove, and get rid of them
dimmer switches.
Guy
pmfan57
Maybe YOUR ear. But I'm sure those $13,000 10' cables are worth every
penny. Those transparent glassy highs; those firm resonant lows!
Needle doctor also has $20,000+ turntables (gotta buy the tonearm
separately, of course).
Dave Stephens
Our friend Tom Gentry was kind enough to make me a cable out of Audioquest
"Slate" speaker cable. Unfortunately that's too thick to use for right
angles. Another option is to have Monster build you a Performer 500 or
Performer 1000 cable with rights on both ends.
Cables do indeed make a difference in the sound. I think the Monster is a
"best buy". It's not as good as the very best, but it's relatively
inexpensive. Another, more expensive alternative, is to call George
Alessandro and have him make you a "Speaker 2" cable with two rights.
Dave
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If you can't hear a difference, then the shielding doesn't matter. In fact,
many of us can hear a difference. You're correct that the shielding is
probably the most important issue, then the termination quality and finally
the wire guage and construction. Just because the cable is expensive doesn't
mean it'll sound better than a relatively cheap Monster.
See my comparative review in the August 2001 Just Jazz Guitar.
Dave
thomas
>
> Maybe YOUR ear. But I'm sure those $13,000 10' cables are worth every
> penny.
They're total shit. You can't get decent cable under six figures.
Lumpy
> > ...I'm sure those $13,000 10' cables are
> > worth every penny.
thomas wrote:
> They're total shit. You can't get decent
> cable under six figures.
It's all in the knobs.
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Lumpy
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Jazz Guy
if any body can hear the difference between them. I've had a lot of
cables over the years, there is a lot of nonsense in the HI FI cable
market, which is made worse by them Hi Fi magazines. Ask a pro
recording studio what cables they use for their speakers?
Guy
Dave Stephens
easy to hear IF you've got good equipment, like a Clarus SL-R with a
Raezer's Edge extended range cab. The Acoustic Image Coda will also reveal
the differences, as will Allen and Alessandro amps and most quiet tube amps.
Use an "acoustic" sounding guitar for the most revealing demonstration. I
find that playing fingerstyle also is more revealing.
Dave
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Stan Gosnell
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> If you've got lots of cables, why don't you just listen for yourself??
> It's easy to hear IF you've got good equipment, like a Clarus SL-R
> with a Raezer's Edge extended range cab. The Acoustic Image Coda will
> also reveal the differences, as will Allen and Alessandro amps and
> most quiet tube amps. Use an "acoustic" sounding guitar for the most
> revealing demonstration. I find that playing fingerstyle also is more
> revealing.
But if that's not what you're going to use when playing, why bother? I
think you should use whatever other gear you're going to use and see if
the cable makes a difference there. Who cares if the cable differences
can only be heard with a Clarus/RE and and an acoustic guitar played
fingerstyle if you're using a Tele and a small Princeton? Guitar cables
can definitely make a difference in the sound, but most standard cables
will sound pretty much the same in most situations, I think, especially
when you crank up the volume and start getting some distortion.
--
Regards,
Stan
Jazz Guy
> If you've got lots of cables, why don't you just listen for yourself?? It's
> easy to hear IF you've got good equipment, like a Clarus SL-R with a
> Raezer's Edge extended range cab. The Acoustic Image Coda will also reveal
> the differences, as will Allen and Alessandro amps and most quiet tube amps.
> Use an "acoustic" sounding guitar for the most revealing demonstration. I
> find that playing fingerstyle also is more revealing.
>
> Dave
TEST
1 Average quality Guitar Cable
1 Expensive Guitar Cable.
1 twin Jack plug adapter
1 Preamp.
1 24 bit recorder. M-Audio Delta 410
(Both cable the same length)
I recorded my guitar, so two tracks were recorded simultaneously
(Using the twin jack adapter), one with the Average quality cable the
other with the Expensive quality cable.
I analysed the resulting wave files, both by ear and graphically on
the wave Frequency Analyser and there is no difference between the two
tracks.
Try it yourself, and prove that there is no difference between most
cables.
Guy
Dave Stephens
situations where you can hear the differences, then forget about it. OTOH,
if you do play in situations where you hear the differences (like in a
studio or our living rooms) then it's worth spending a few more dollars to
get good cables.
Dave
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Dave Stephens
I can gather a group of electrical engineers that DO hear the differences.
There are reasons for the differences (mainly termination design and
diulectric design). It's not mumbo jumbo.
Still, if you don't hear it, forget about it, but don't tell the rest of us
it doesn't exist when it's so easy to hear.
Dave
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Jazz Guy
I am an Electrical Engineer BEng(Hon) Manchester University UK, the
place where Rutherford first split the atom. So get using them
frequency analysers and tell people the truth.
Guy
Stan Fong
Everyone's mileage will vary depending on the guitar, pickup and amp
they're using. I can hear the difference using my equipment. But
that's my equipment. I tend to think those using flatwound strings,
and darker sound will hear less of a difference. On the other end of
the spectrum would be someone with a brighter sound using roundwounds,
Clarus/ RE Extended Range, and brighter pickup will obviously hear a
difference.
Stan
Stan Gosnell
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> Everyone's mileage will vary depending on the guitar, pickup and amp
> they're using. I can hear the difference using my equipment. But
> that's my equipment. I tend to think those using flatwound strings,
> and darker sound will hear less of a difference. On the other end of
> the spectrum would be someone with a brighter sound using roundwounds,
> Clarus/ RE Extended Range, and brighter pickup will obviously hear a
> difference.
The coax used for guitar cables makes a difference because of the
capacitance. High-capacitance cable will cut highs, sometimes a lot. Some
people like this, but I prefer to have the cable deliver everything to the
amp or other box, and set the tone there. I don't believe speaker cable,
given a reasonable gauge, makes a difference that can be heard.
--
Regards,
Stan
Danny W.
The ear and the eye share something in common--there are some things
they can resolved that the best instrumentation can't. As a graduate
EE I've learned that if my ears hear a difference that instrumentation
doesn't show, it means that the instrumentation simply isn't adequate
to the task.
A guitar pickup is far fom an ideal source--it has resistance,
capacitance and inductance that interacts with that of the cable. The
more of it the cable has, the more loading the pickup sees and the
more affect this has on the frequency response of the combination. If
you don't think a cable affects the sound, try playing through a
100-foot cable and see what it sounds like. Conversely, a guitar with
built-in preamp will never sound like a guitar without one, no matter
how you set the tone controls, because the pickups don't see the cable
loading (although some preamp designers are hip enough to put in some
RC across the pickups to simulate this).
About 30 years ago I was tired of commercial cables breaking, so I
bought 500 feet of Belden low-capacitance cable and a couple of boxes
of metal Switchcraft plugs and made my own in a variety of lengths.
These have never failed, are quieter and sound better than any of the
generic cables I've used. A couple of years ago I tried to Klotz
LaGrange cables and found they sounded much better with any of my
guitars, and significantly better than the typical cables I compared
them to. At $60 with a lifetime guarantee, it's hardly worth being any
more scientific than just listening to them through the Clarus/RE I
play through every day.
I've played thousands of gigs over the years and have never seen one
spectrum analyzer in the audience. It's all about what you can hear,
not what you can measure.
Danny W.
Lumpy
I used to dig my sound. Used a $20 cable.
Then I got a $200 cable. Doesn't sound like
it used to. So I bought a $100 pedal to simulate
that vintage tone that I used to dig. I didn't like
the sound of the pedal when active, but I found that
the "tone suck" that the non-bypass pedal created
worked just right to make that $200 cable sound
like that good old $20 cable.
Lumpy
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smoy
conference meetings by any means , but here are some comments for your
reference. Included are some excerpts from past posts.
What I did ( while keeping any control untouched on the same gtr, amp
settings , and gtr settings) was to change equal lengths of spk cables
back & forth between a Clarus and a RE 12 ER and noted the results. I
choose to use a 12 ER speaker as it has a tweeter in the circuit.
The test was between a stock 14 gauge speaker cable and the Audioquest
Bedrock solid core cable. Both cables were using Neutric 4 pole
speaker connectors.To my ears the audioquest cable produced the
smoother sound that I was hearing from both the Clarus/RE and a
Polytone that I was modifying at the time.
BTW I tried another audioquest cable (lower end and thinner model) and
it did not sound good at all. The spk cables made up of 14 ga lamp
cord, by comparsion sound muddy and less focused than the "hi-Fi
cable".
For practical reasons and ,although you can hear the loss, we will use
14 ga lamp cord for Sound Reinforcement gigs for spk runs. I had a
friend come over and I conducted this same speaker cable test for him,
he told me which tone he prefered each time ( audio quest bedrock).
So from this, for now, I would say yes there is a discernible
difference between speaker cables.
In the studios I prefer to use self powered type speakers such as
Mackie, Event, Genelec to eliminate the extra variables that I have
found that exist when interfacing between amps and speaker cables.
I hope this is useful information.
Skip
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