Guthrie Govan - Fusion Monster
sheets
David J. Littleboy
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=shjAI2VmqSs
That tapping bit is amazing, but what a horrendously ugly sound...
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
gant...@comcast.net
sheets
> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=shjAI2VmqSs
>
> That tapping bit is amazing, but what a horrendously ugly sound...
>
going through a polytone.
David J. Littleboy
On Dec 26, 10:18 pm, "David J. Littleboy" <davi...@gol.com> wrote:
>
> > That tapping bit is amazing, but what a horrendously ugly sound...
> Compared to what?
It has an edge to it that I found ugly and grating.
I don't mind Jorma's distorted sound, though. None of that amazing tapping,
though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYdr3rapUTo
tomb...@jhu.edu
It's a fine tone, but so processed he may as well be playing a
synthesizer.
pmfan57
I like a lot of other fusionmeisters sound better. Holdsworth, Scott
Henderson and some, but not all, Gambale sounds. Oh, forgot Bill
Connors. Not ugly, but not very nice tone on this clip.
He would sound a little farty on .016 flats. Those don't sound good
overdriven.
oasysco
Exactly! And ditch the pointy guitar or at least put some holes in it
like I'm doing on my ES-335 Studio where I'm using my dremel to cut f-
holes - not working out too well on the lower bout; may have to go
with differnt f-holes on eahc side and, who knows, I may have more
than 2 f-holes when all is said and done if I can't salvage the lower
bout.
Anyway, back to this guy... yes, I agree swap out the strings for
large flatwounds and play through a polytone or evans. And get rid of
the distortion. I don't know if he knows it or not, but his sound is
distorted, which is exactly the opposite of what he wants. Also, he
needs to shave his beard; makes him look too... well, like my dad,
rest his soul, used to say, "Beardo weirdo".
And why does he hit all those notes so fast. I'll tell you why!
Because he's not sure which note fits so he hits lots of them real
fast hoping most hit their mark. That's the mark of a beginner.
Besides all that, he seems like a fine young man, only he's not
allowed near my daughter... all that rock band business, you know.
Greg
tomsalvojazz
Guthrie is my favorite player right now. I lust after his chops and
his tone. That is a poor recording. Check this out. Tell me this
isn't amazing playing and tone. Suhr Std through Cornford Hurricane.
gant...@comcast.net
the clips that are floating around are from Cornford amp clinics where
the whole point is to show how good the amps sound.
Just my $.02, but I think his tone and playing are phenomenal.
Gantt
enamon
magazine
Phil
Its a (now) typical high gain, modern fusion sound a la Holdsworth,
Scott McGill, 80's Bill Connors, etc. It suits the style and
techniques. I did not find it ugly.
patmp...@gmail.com
Huge chops. That lick he plays at 1:20 is a jawdropper. That tapping
just before that where he is getting some sort of harmonic is cool
too. I think I´m a little too old to be in his target market, it is a
bit screaming rock melodramatic for me, but he sure can play. I´d go
to some trouble to see this guy.
Now going into picky critical mode. Guthrie needs more fluidity in
his harmonic conception. Every time the chord changes he changes
along with it. It sounds like a new solo for each chord. The chords
are dominating his play. He should have melodic continuity in spite
of the chords so all those seams don´t show. THEN, the next step
after that is to superimpose your own chords on top of the changes, go
to a change early, that sort of thing. Actually playing a melody
insteads of rhythmic scale/arpeggio licks wouldn´t hurt either. Some
sort of feeling beside excitement would be nice too. Like just about
everyone else in fusion he ignores dynamics. He needs to know more
about music. I can´t recall when I´ve heard a better technician
though. Everything is executed perfectly as far as I can tell, and
anybody who can do something I´ve never heard before gets on my list.
Here is some Guthrie that we mellow old folks can relate to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yPEewaalik
Go to 2:43 and listen to those chords. My that´s pretty. Not a whole
lot of sophistication here either, but it sounds very nice and that
counts for a lot. He´s not playing the chords but I guress that is
him overdubbed. I´´ve never heard such a pretty chimelike sound out
of a guitar before.
If you like fusion like this, check out Hiromi Uehara. She does all
those things recommended above. The next big thing in fusion. Piano
though.
mike
> On 26 dic, 20:39, sheets <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=shjAI2VmqSs
>
> Huge chops. That lick he plays at 1:20 is a jawdropper. That tapping
> just before that where he is getting some sort of harmonic is cool
> too. I think I´m a little too old to be in his target market, it is a
> bit screaming rock melodramatic for me, but he sure can play. I´d go
> to some trouble to see this guy.
>
> Now going into picky critical mode. Guthrie needs more fluidity in
> his harmonic conception. Every time the chord changes he changes
> along with it. It sounds like a new solo for each chord. The chords
> are dominating his play. He should have melodic continuity in spite
> of the chords so all those seams don´t show. THEN, the next step
> after that is to superimpose your own chords on top of the changes, go
> to a change early, that sort of thing. Actually playing a melody
> insteads of rhythmic scale/arpeggio licks wouldn´t hurt either. Some
> sort of feeling beside excitement would be nice too. Like just about
> everyone else in fusion he ignores dynamics. He needs to know more
> about music. I can´t recall when I´ve heard a better technician
> though. Everything is executed perfectly as far as I can tell, and
> anybody who can do something I´ve never heard before gets on my list.
>
> Go to 2:43 and listen to those chords. My that´s pretty. Not a whole
> lot of sophistication here either, but it sounds very nice and that
> counts for a lot. He´s not playing the chords but I guress that is
> him overdubbed. I´´ve never heard such a pretty chimelike sound out
> of a guitar before.
>
> If you like fusion like this, check out Hiromi Uehara. She does all
> those things recommended above. The next big thing in fusion. Piano
> though.
I think you nailed it, or at least put into words what I couldn't
express. This seems to me like rock and not fusion for the above-
mentioned reasons. All in all, he has his thing going on, and it's
quite impressive, although not my cup of tea. Actually, he reminds
me of Steve Vai a little, with a dash of everyone else thrown in.
Amazing chops; less amazing content.
Crazy guitar music!
Kevin Collins
> his harmonic conception. Every time the chord changes he changes
> along with it. It sounds like a new solo for each chord. The chords
> are dominating his play. He should have melodic continuity in spite
> of the chords so all those seams don´t show. THEN, the next step
> after that is to superimpose your own chords on top of the changes, go
> to a change early, that sort of thing. Actually playing a melody
> insteads of rhythmic scale/arpeggio licks wouldn´t hurt either. Some
> sort of feeling beside excitement would be nice too.
Well stated. I'd been thinking along these lines (the nit-picky stuff)
regarding Govan and others. Loved the clip, but I did notice these
aspects as well. I may be stealing some licks from your post in the
future...
----------------------------------------------------
Kevin Collins
http://kevsonicist.googlepages.com
DOUBLE YOUR IQ OR NO MONEY BACK
patmp...@gmail.com
The video has been removed by user.
sheets
guthrie forum...
http://www.online-discussion.com/GuthrieGovan/index.php
tomsalvojazz
> I hope you don't mind me copying your comments and posting them on the
> guthrie forum...http://www.online-discussion.com/GuthrieGovan/index.php
... where I'm SURE they'll be celebrated, since most of the members
there are Guthrie freaks ;-).
I personally disagree with some of these comments since I don't think
there should be any prescribed "correct" approaches to any style of
music including (oh my God!) Jazz. Perhaps those who can't follow
what Guthrie is actually doing need faster ears - better tracking, you
know? Listen to more than one example of his playing. Here's
another...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rpI-0tFMGw
Steve Vai isn't even in the same room as Guthrie. It's fine not to
like the sound or the style - that's a personal preference. But if
all you take away from this guy is that he has technical chops, then
you're missing something, I think.
patmp...@gmail.com
> I hope you don't mind me copying your comments and posting them on the
> guthrie forum...http://www.online-discussion.com/GuthrieGovan/index.php
Actually I would rather you did not. Going into their territory and
spray painting their idol I consider bad form. This is not the way to
win friends and influence people. Would you like to have them come
over here and dis Jim Hall?
As a fusion guitarist I give him an A-. As a jazz guitarist he gets a
C-. But I don´t see Mr. Guthrie claiming to be a jazz guitarist. The
only reason I brought it up was that the post is in a jazz guitar
group, so it is appropriate to view him in that context here. I see
him as a young man with a heck of a lot of talent who could be even
better with a little more knowledge.
sheets
> On 28 dic, 06:54, sheets <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I hope you don't mind me copying your comments and posting them on the
> > guthrie forum...http://www.online-discussion.com/GuthrieGovan/index.php
>
> Actually I would rather you did not. Going into their territory and
> spray painting their idol I consider bad form. This is not the way to
> win friends and influence people. Would you like to have them come
> over here and dis Jim Hall?
I was just joking. I would never do that.
> As a fusion guitarist I give him an A-. As a jazz guitarist he gets a
> C-. But I don´t see Mr. Guthrie claiming to be a jazz guitarist. The
> only reason I brought it up was that the post is in a jazz guitar
> group, so it is appropriate to view him in that context here. I see
> him as a young man with a heck of a lot of talent who could be even
> better with a little more knowledge.
Fair enough.
gant...@comcast.net
suspect he's up to the task.
Gantt
On Dec 28, 11:28 am, patmpow...@gmail.com wrote:
patmp...@gmail.com
> On Dec 28, 7:54 am, sheets <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I hope you don't mind me copying your comments and posting them on the
> > guthrie forum...http://www.online-discussion.com/GuthrieGovan/index.php
>
> ... where I'm SURE they'll be celebrated, since most of the members
> there are Guthrie freaks ;-).
>
> I personally disagree with some of these comments since I don't think
> there should be any prescribed "correct" approaches to any style of
> music including (oh my God!) Jazz. Perhaps those who can't follow
> what Guthrie is actually doing need faster ears - better tracking, you
> know? Listen to more than one example of his playing. Here's
> another...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rpI-0tFMGw
>
Well that´s damn good. If I were in a bar and heard that I would jump
up and down and scream. Those tricks with the harmonics are
wonderful. He shows a lot more harmonic sophistication and inflection
here, sort of a Scofield thing, so this is more to my taste. Some of
the precision is sacrificed, no big deal. Those downward bends near
the end are dynamite. That fast run up to the high note at the end
may be a cliche, but that is the best I´ve ever heard it done. Its
exciting. !
Now I´m going to get picky and critical again. He´s a prisoner of the
bar line. It almost sounds like a couple of guitarists trading two-
bar phrases. I´m sure he could learn to play longer lines and have
more flexibility, it isn´t hard. If he could learn to build a solo so
that the whole thing hangs together like a little composition that
tells a story, well, watch out world.
ray...@yahoo.com
Certainly the fusion guitarist must spend a high percentage of his/her
time on purely physical technique- scale after scale. One can wonder
whether a more compositional approach might have yielded a different
result (obviously it will).
Great composers seem to be fewer in number than great technicians.
Who has time to excel at both? Coltrane, Hancock, Parker are a few....
gant...@comcast.net
Gantt
Paul K
On 12/28/07 11:58 AM, in article
61b45eaa-3963-430b...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
"patmp...@gmail.com" <patmp...@gmail.com> wrote:
You are a tough critic! What guitarists *do* you like? I find Govan's
playing awesome, and I don't hear the weaknesses you mention. The first
minute of this clip is chock full of long lines. I understand this isn't
every jazz guitar fan's cup of tea, but I sure dig his playing.
Paul K.
gant...@comcast.net
plays circles around me and, I suspect, most of these tough critics.
I love his playing.
Gantt
7/4
sheets
demonstrates playing within this genre but answering the weaknesses
you hear here.
tomsalvojazz
Amen, Jaz! That's what I really wanted to say before but didn't have
the balls to.
mike
mike
And furthermore--c'mon, chest beating? Who's doing that? No way I
could play that stuff. He's an amazing player, no doubt. I just
don't care for it now--at one time I did.
With all due respect, does one have to like it all? It's OK to have a
negative opinion once in a while.
sheets
Very true. You're right of course. For example, I don't like Van
Halen's playing but if the two of us were on stage together, he'd
smoke me.
mike
>
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Jack,
There is a very good interview with GG here: http://tinyurl.com/2wqfoq
He is a sweet and humble cat and very open about his influences (Steve
Vai is the big one, believe it or not).
Dan Adler
I didn't really like the clips with the 335, but then I found these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOs7iLKaTI
which I find very enjoyable and amazing sound and technique.
Those fast triplet runs with 3 fingers on the same string are pretty
cool.
pmfan57
Now that "Robben Ford" clip is some badass fusion playing. MUCH
better than the originally posted clip, which had a strange edge to
the tone. I'm convinced that this guy is a fusion monster.
sheets
> On Dec 26, 9:39 pm, sheets <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=shjAI2VmqSs
>
> I didn't really like the clips with the 335, but then I found these:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOs7iLKaTI
>
Yeah, there's plenty of material there to transcribe. I heard that a
few weeks ago but had to restore my hard disk since then. Thanks for
the repost.
Laissez-faire
"tomsalvojazz" <toms...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:992e6273-4fb4-4292...@r60g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 28, 7:54 am, sheets <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hope you don't mind me copying your comments and posting them
> on the
> guthrie
> forum...http://www.online-discussion.com/GuthrieGovan/index.php
... where I'm SURE they'll be celebrated, since most of the
members
there are Guthrie freaks ;-).
I personally disagree with some of these comments since I don't
think
there should be any prescribed "correct" approaches to any style
of
music including (oh my God!) Jazz. Perhaps those who can't
follow
what Guthrie is actually doing need faster ears - better
tracking, you
know? Listen to more than one example of his playing. Here's
another...
Steve Vai isn't even in the same room as Guthrie. It's fine not
to
like the sound or the style - that's a personal preference. But
if
all you take away from this guy is that he has technical chops,
then
you're missing something, I think.
-----------------
The clips I've seen don't take me anywhere. I like being taken on
a journey. He took me into a brick wall. He has some technical
skills, but where's the soul? Where's the story? Where's the
'blues'?
Laissez-faire
"Dan Adler" <d...@danadler.com> wrote in message
news:0b75f1a1-727a-45fe...@w38g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Much better, agreed. Great sound.
Dan Adler
These "in the style of" clips seem to be an advertisement for the
backing tracks.
Now that's what I call truth in advertising!
patmp...@gmail.com
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Well, I dig it a lot. This is the best fusion guitarist I´ve heard
since the good old days. In a jazz mode there is Pat Metheny, his
stuff tells a story. Aha! I have just the thing. Eric Clapton
playing Crossroads with Cream. I love the way he bends time like a
rubber band, dragging and rushing the time, he does the trick of
playing the change before it actually comes. Bar lines mean nothing
to him. The whole solo hangs together and builds to a climax. Its
gripping. I never tire of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkm9OiYvmPc
sheets
> On Dec 28, 4:56 pm, sheets <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 28, 4:15 pm, Dan Adler <d...@danadler.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 26, 9:39 pm, sheets <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://youtube.com/watch?v=shjAI2VmqSs
>
> > > I didn't really like the clips with the 335, but then I found these:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOs7iLKaTI
>
> > Yeah, there's plenty of material there to transcribe. I heard that a
> > few weeks ago but had to restore my hard disk since then. Thanks for
> > the repost.
>
> These "in the style of" clips seem to be an advertisement for the
> backing tracks.
I don't think so. He recorded that clip as an example because it's
been a very popular backing track for folks at www.thegearpage.net to
post solos over.
Martunes
at the tone Merchants in Anaheim a few years ago. His brother Seth (I
think plays bass). I discovered Guthrie when the cornford booth was
directly across the isle from us at NAMM. He would play all day long
even when no one is around and I listened to how he practices and
creates - it's really amazing. He can play standards and bop as well
as chicken pick like Johnny Hiland. He's a is a sweet, humble (and
really funny) guy who is a gem of a musician and I would never
criticize - him especially in public. He would never criticize another
player either - he would always point out the positives of someone's
playing instead.
ray...@yahoo.com
sheets
Wow, thanks Allen. I didn't realize you frequented internet chat
forums.
patmp...@gmail.com
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With more thought I think this is a better example. Heres some flashy
swinging melodic jazz. Sylvain Luc & Bireli Lagrene. Plenty of
liquid phrasing, long lines, and excellent dynamics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxM3vHe3noU
pmfan57
Holdsworth on this video concert has never been approached by any
other "lead" guitarist. No one has even come close really.
pmfan57
You didn't say it had to be by him, did you?
I now agree with you about Mr. Govan. He is a butt kicker all right
on those play alongs Dan mentioned. Kind of like Don Mock meets
Robben Ford in a dark alley.
pmfan57
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>
> With more thought I think this is a better example. Heres some flashy
> swinging melodic jazz. Sylvain Luc & Bireli Lagrene. Plenty of
> liquid phrasing, long lines, and excellent dynamics.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxM3vHe3noU
That is a great vid.
sheets
you're starting to scare me with the sports-fan approach to this. I
love holdsworth but his approach to playing over jazz standards showed
that he is human. That really is not his strength. He plays tonal
centers instead of playing inside the changes.
sheets
>
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>
> With more thought I think this is a better example. Heres some flashy
> swinging melodic jazz. Sylvain Luc & Bireli Lagrene. Plenty of
> liquid phrasing, long lines, and excellent dynamics.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxM3vHe3noU
that's great but I fail to see it's relation to govan. I could post a
brecker or coltrane video that makes just about any guitarist seem
childlike by comparison. What does it prove?!?
ray...@yahoo.com
Hey, c'mon, you said "demonstrates playing within this genre". And
this sure does!
patmp...@gmail.com
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>
> > With more thought I think this is a better example. Heres some flashy
> > swinging melodic jazz. Sylvain Luc & Bireli Lagrene. Plenty of
> > liquid phrasing, long lines, and excellent dynamics.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxM3vHe3noU
>
> that's great but I fail to see it's relation to govan. I could post a
> brecker or coltrane video that makes just about any guitarist seem
>
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I pointed out some of Govans shortcomings. The OP asked for some
guitar players that lacked such shortcomings, ie. were strong in the
areas of flexibility, dynamics, and so-called "musicality." So I
gave it to him as best I could.
shawnab...@bellsouth.net
dislike musicians. The jealous guys with no chops say that he has no
feel and the defensive guys with megachops challenge by saying "post
your clips!"
sheets
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>
> > > With more thought I think this is a better example. Heres some flashy
> > > swinging melodic jazz. Sylvain Luc & Bireli Lagrene. Plenty of
> > > liquid phrasing, long lines, and excellent dynamics.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxM3vHe3noU
>
> > that's great but I fail to see it's relation to govan. I could post a
> > brecker or coltrane video that makes just about any guitarist seem
> > childlike by comparison. What does it prove?!?- Ocultar texto de la cita -
>
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>
> I pointed out some of Govans shortcomings. The OP asked for some
> guitar players that lacked such shortcomings, ie. were strong in the
> areas of flexibility, dynamics, and so-called "musicality." So I
> gave it to him as best I could.
i dunno. Holdsworth is great but I don't hear dynamics in his playing
so much. In fact, that compressed tone seems to be at the same volume
all the time. It proves nothing other than the fact that it's easy to
type a good solo.
patmp...@gmail.com
>
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>
> > > > With more thought I think this is a better example. Heres some flashy
> > > > swinging melodic jazz. Sylvain Luc & Bireli Lagrene. Plenty of
> > > > liquid phrasing, long lines, and excellent dynamics.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxM3vHe3noU
>
> > > that's great but I fail to see it's relation to govan. I could post a
> > > brecker or coltrane video that makes just about any guitarist seem
> > > childlike by comparison. What does it prove?!?- Ocultar texto de la cita -
>
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>
> > I pointed out some of Govans shortcomings. The OP asked for some
> > guitar players that lacked such shortcomings, ie. were strong in the
> > areas of flexibility, dynamics, and so-called "musicality." So I
> > gave it to him as best I could.
>
> i dunno. Holdsworth is great but I don't hear dynamics in his playing
> so much. In fact, that compressed tone seems to be at the same volume
> all the time. It proves nothing other than the fact that it's easy to
>
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You have confused posters. I praised the dynamics present in the
playing of Sylvain Luc & Bireli Lagrene.
ray...@yahoo.com
Of course he could smoke you- music is his full time job. If you had
all day to practice it would be a different story.
gant...@comcast.net
mike
>
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>
> > > > With more thought I think this is a better example. Heres some flashy
> > > > swinging melodic jazz. Sylvain Luc & Bireli Lagrene. Plenty of
> > > > liquid phrasing, long lines, and excellent dynamics.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxM3vHe3noU
>
> > > that's great but I fail to see it's relation to govan. I could post a
> > > brecker or coltrane video that makes just about any guitarist seem
> > > childlike by comparison. What does it prove?!?- Ocultar texto de la cita -
>
> > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
>
> > I pointed out some of Govans shortcomings. The OP asked for some
> > guitar players that lacked such shortcomings, ie. were strong in the
> > areas of flexibility, dynamics, and so-called "musicality." So I
> > gave it to him as best I could.
>
> i dunno. Holdsworth is great but I don't hear dynamics in his playing
> so much. In fact, that compressed tone seems to be at the same volume
> all the time. It proves nothing other than the fact that it's easy to
> type a good solo.
Jack, Holdsworth's legato style is so strong that you cannot discern
the picked notes from the slurred notes, and he worked particularly
hard at developing that--it's not compression. There's also a quality
in his legato playing that many don't realize, and it's that he
strikes the strings with his finger in a downward motion, like a
hammer striking the strings in a piano, rather than pulling it off to
the side, if you picture that, avoiding what he calls "meowing", which
I understand what he means. A lot of the metal guys had that. He's
definitely brought legato playing to a level like no one else,
although John Etheridge and Ollie Halsall were very good at it.
Mike
sheets
>
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>
> > > > > With more thought I think this is a better example. Heres some flashy
> > > > > swinging melodic jazz. Sylvain Luc & Bireli Lagrene. Plenty of
> > > > > liquid phrasing, long lines, and excellent dynamics.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxM3vHe3noU
>
> > > > that's great but I fail to see it's relation to govan. I could post a
> > > > brecker or coltrane video that makes just about any guitarist seem
> > > > childlike by comparison. What does it prove?!?- Ocultar texto de la cita -
>
> > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
>
> > > I pointed out some of Govans shortcomings. The OP asked for some
> > > guitar players that lacked such shortcomings, ie. were strong in the
> > > areas of flexibility, dynamics, and so-called "musicality." So I
> > > gave it to him as best I could.
>
> > i dunno. Holdsworth is great but I don't hear dynamics in his playing
> > so much. In fact, that compressed tone seems to be at the same volume
> > all the time. It proves nothing other than the fact that it's easy to
> > type a good solo.
>
> Jack, Holdsworth's legato style is so strong that you cannot discern
> the picked notes from the slurred notes, and he worked particularly
> hard at developing that--it's not compression. There's also a quality
> in his legato playing that many don't realize, and it's that he
> strikes the strings with his finger in a downward motion
Of course I realize that. Whatddya think, i'm a holdsworth dummy? That
in itself doesn't change the comment I made about dynamics. The fact
is that you need the help of the right hand to vary dynamics. That's
why the tappers have a relatively limted dynamic range - Even the ones
who don't use "gain". In holdsworth's case, the gain along with the
compressed tone limit his range. Anyway, we're off on some kind of
tangent here and I am not dissing holdsworth at all. He's one of my
favorite players in history but it was pointed out in this thread that
his dynamics were superior to Guthrie's and in that one comparison, I
disagree...
pmfan57
There is a live Tempest album that has BOTH Halsall and Holdsworth.
It's supposed to have some amazing playing on it.
Jack is absolutely right about Holdsworth not relying on compression.
He sounds like himself on acoustic, as can be heard on the two Gordon
Beck albums The Things you See and Sunbird.
ray...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Sure- playing music all day would change your playing.....big time.
Whether it would be as good as Van Halen would also require
creativity, sure.
Do I think? Sometimes.
patmp...@gmail.com
http://www.myspace.com/guthriegovaneroticcakes
There is an example of some chicken picking that is completely
outrageous. He somehow imitates the violin! then throws in some
pedal steel for good measure. There is something called Slidey Boy
sort of a Carlton thing with a nice relaxed groove that uses popping
and glissandos like you´ve never heard them before and is quite
pretty. How versatile can you get?
There is a video called Wonderful Slippery Thing that seemed
relatively hohum until about 80% of the way through he picks up a
slide, puts it over the pickup and plays a brief passage that sounds
like a broadcast from an alien planet. So even does noise guitar very
well. Fives has quite a nice melody, he sure can play legato.
Dan Adler
It pretty much says verbatim that this is a promotional series
released by the company (bluesjamtracks.com) - though the website
seems offline:
patpow...@gmail.com
From what I gather Mr. Govan doesn´t have a demanding practice routine
and never did, which is a big surprise. Instead came from a musical
family and was surrounded by music and musicians since birth, and
started to play before he went to school. When he entered the first
grade he was surprised to find out that most people don´t play a
musical instrument. I´m also told that he thinks about music during
99% of his waking hours.
sheets
> On 26 dic, 21:39, sheets <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=shjAI2VmqSs
>
> From what I gather Mr. Govan doesn´t have a demanding practice routine
> and never did, which is a big surprise.
I heard he practices 8 hours a day
gant...@comcast.net
thinking must be done with a guitar in his hands.
paul
>
> I heard he practices 8 hours a day
the interview posted upstream is very interesting and cool, from
reading it I seriously doubt he could tell you how much he practices.
he said something about mentally practicing while he's on the train
going to work (teaching), and it seems like he has a lot going on and
a very busy schedule. definitely didn't get the impression he was
sitting around practicing all day, or that he was at all rigorous
about it.
--paul
sheets
> a very busy schedule. definitely didn't get the impression he was
> sitting around practicing all day, or that he was at all rigorous
> about it.
That may be the case now. Paul Bollenback used to practice 8 hours a
day but I doubt he does anymore for the same reason...