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mylesgtr

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Dec 9, 2009, 5:15:03 PM12/9/09
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It appears Charlie Banacos has just passed away.

http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/showthread.php?t=42423

myles

paul

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Dec 9, 2009, 5:31:03 PM12/9/09
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I'm really sorry to hear this. A few years back, I mailed charlie
about lessons, and he sent me a nice, handwritten letter back. I
wasn't ready to commit to the amount of work at the time, and in
retrospect I regret that decision somewhat.

--paul

mylesgtr

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Dec 9, 2009, 5:50:29 PM12/9/09
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> I
> wasn't ready to commit to the amount of work at the time, and in
> retrospect I regret that decision somewhat.

i suspect you could get a very large chunk of what he taught from his
long time students. vic juris mentions in that thread having studied
with him for 12 years. gene ess who posts here sometimes mentions
being a student of his. i know rachel z studied with him for a
while. not the same as studying with him, but i'm sure a large body
of what he taught will live on this way.

myles

Dan Adler

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Dec 9, 2009, 9:14:23 PM12/9/09
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...and Mike Stern. How sad that he never wrote a book - that would
have been a great legacy.

-Dan
http://danadler.com

Derek

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Dec 9, 2009, 10:39:56 PM12/9/09
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And our own Joey Goldstein studied with Charlie I believe.

I know he was very protective about letting his teachings out.

Too bad he never wrote a book. Joey, assuming you read this, how do
you feel about sharing his stuff now?

Joey Goldstein

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Dec 10, 2009, 1:12:37 AM12/10/09
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That's very sad news.
I would have very much liked to take another round of correspondence
lessons with him sometime.
I guess that's not gonna happen.

R.I.P. Charlie, and thanks.

--
Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
joegold AT primus DOT ca

Joey Goldstein

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Dec 10, 2009, 1:14:57 AM12/10/09
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Maybe.
But Charlie had me sign a form that said I would not share his
materials. I'm supposing he did thatwith all of his students.
Mostly that meant his exact written exercises though, not the ideas
within them.

Joey Goldstein

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Dec 10, 2009, 1:24:56 AM12/10/09
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After I stopped studying with Charlie I was posting a lot on line about
a lot of his stuff.
Someone told Charlie about it and he called me, asking me not do it
anymore. So I stopped.
As I said elsewhere in this thread, when I first started with him he had
me sign a form saying I would not share his materials. But technically
all that means is that I'm not allowed to make photocopies or other
reproductions of his exact exercises.
I don't think there's any obligation on my part to not talk about his ideas.

But the ideas are simple. I could explain them in one fairly short post
here.
The thing about studying with Charlie, for me, wasn't just the ideas,
which are cool, but anybody can understand them. The thing with Charlie
was the way he had you work so intensely and thoroughly on the material
until you could play it.

Paul Mitchell Brown

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Dec 10, 2009, 1:53:25 AM12/10/09
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Terrible news. Charlie was obviously one of those guys like Ted Greene
who was born to teach and had a profound effect on so many people.

It would be great to see some of his materials edited and published
but it will depend on what Charlie requested from his family. These
things can turn into ethical minefields as the recent publication of
Nabokov's unfinished last work attests.

Gene

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Dec 10, 2009, 7:32:01 AM12/10/09
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Charlie did write a number of books:

Banacos, Charlie (1972). Pentatonic Scale Improvisation. Boston, MA
Banacos, Charlie (1972). Tonal Paralypsis: Book 1. Boston, MA
Banacos, Charlie (1972). Tonal Paralypsis: Book 2. Boston, MA
Banacos, Charlie (1972). Voicings in Clusters. Boston, MA
Banacos, Charlie (1972). Voicings in 5ths. Boston, MA
Banacos, Charlie (1972). Voicings in 4ths. Boston, MA

Gene

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Dec 10, 2009, 7:36:47 AM12/10/09
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It is with profound sadness that I have to say I will miss him
dearly. Charlie was a great teacher, musician, and human. He left us
much much too early. He changed the jazz world through his amazing
work ethic and passion.

Gene

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Dec 10, 2009, 7:41:13 AM12/10/09
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I've never heard about that. I never signed a form with him. But it
makes sense. Sort of like not wanting someone to buy your cd and then
posting free mp3s on their website. This has happened to me in Poland
and it was a drag.

Derek

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Dec 10, 2009, 10:42:54 AM12/10/09
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Gene wrote:
>Charlie did write a number of books:

>Banacos, Charlie (1972). Pentatonic Scale Improvisation. Boston, MA
>Banacos, Charlie (1972). Tonal Paralypsis: Book 1. Boston, MA
>Banacos, Charlie (1972). Tonal Paralypsis: Book 2. Boston, MA
>Banacos, Charlie (1972). Voicings in Clusters. Boston, MA
>Banacos, Charlie (1972). Voicings in 5ths. Boston, MA
>Banacos, Charlie (1972). Voicings in 4ths. Boston, MA

Gene, I have never seen/heard of these books. Do you know if they are
still published?

Truly a sad situation, but if anything about it is fortunate, is that
he did not suffer long. I guess we can't say that about the loved
ones he left behind.


Joey Goldstein

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Dec 10, 2009, 11:22:09 AM12/10/09
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I did not know that.
Do you have any idea how to order these books?

flatnine

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Dec 11, 2009, 8:14:04 AM12/11/09
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Seeing the world, it´s obvious God was in need of some good harmony
lessons, and when you are God...you can get the best!


Gene

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:13:10 PM12/11/09
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These books are long out of print.... I haven't seen them in a long
time. Glad I have my set.

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