OT Pistol Porn
LA
http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fiveseven.htm
We're talkin the braz rosewood of concealables here ladies and
gentlemen
LA
Misifus
Well, apart from the notoriety of being used to kill and wound more than
forty people at Fort Hood, I don't think a lot of it. It shoots a .22"
round at a little over 2200 fps - if you can get them. The ammunition
reputed to defeat body armor isn't for sale to civilians in the US, and
what you can get costs at least $2 per round.
Struck out again, Lenny.
-Raf
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LA
> LA wrote:
> >http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fiveseven.htm
>
> > We're talkin the braz rosewood of concealables here ladies and
> > gentlemen
>
> > LA
>
> Well, apart from the notoriety of being used to kill and wound more than
> forty people at Fort Hood, I don't think a lot of it. It shoots a .22"
> round at a little over 2200 fps - if you can get them. The ammunition
> reputed to defeat body armor isn't for sale to civilians in the US, and
> what you can get costs at least $2 per round.
>
> Struck out again, Lenny.
>
> -Raf
>
Mass murderer's Dream Machine
LA
Rich Watkins
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I don't care for a double-action-only pistol. Either the Glock Safe Action
or the classic single-action 1911 is much easier to sustain over a
langourous afternoon at the range, and both offer a consistent trigger pull
from first shot to last.
Also, as noted, the 5.57 round isn't a common one. I prefer something
that's available at any ol' Wal-Mart - 9mm or preferably .45 ACP.
The FN offering is hardly the ne plus ultra of handguns.
MGC: Happiness is a Warm (yes it is) Guuuuuun!
Limecat
David Hajicek
"Misifus" <rafse...@att.net> wrote in message
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> LA wrote:
>> http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fiveseven.htm
>>
>> We're talkin the braz rosewood of concealables here ladies and
>> gentlemen
>>
>> LA
>
>
> Well, apart from the notoriety of being used to kill and wound more than
> forty people at Fort Hood, I don't think a lot of it. It shoots a .22"
> round at a little over 2200 fps - if you can get them. The ammunition
> reputed to defeat body armor isn't for sale to civilians in the US, and
> what you can get costs at least $2 per round.
>
> Struck out again, Lenny.
>
> -Raf
>
purposes. If you also have a P-90 (not the pickup), it would be good to be
able to use the same rounds.
It is advertised as a personal defense weapon. I would like something in a
larger caliber. This has sufficient velocity so an armor piercing round
could go through the attacker, the wall behind and into your neighbor.
Perhaps they have a hollow point frangible round that would make more sense.
Maybe if you are worried that the burglar is wearing body armor, this could
be useful if you can get the steel tipped rounds.
Also, it has no single action capability (hammer hidden?). It is harder to
get good accuracy with the double action. The second round would be single
action, but that's an awkward compromise. A lot of ifs.
For home defense, a hollow point 9mm, 10mm or .45 would be a better choice
IMHO.
Dave Hajicek
Wamp
One of Fabrique Nationale better weapons. Sure a lot of Armed Forces round
the worls use it, i think just behind the AK-47.
Still give me a shoutgun for close in home defense.
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Misifus
At pistol velocities, even 2k fps, a larger diameter round is what I
prefer. However, the US has been sending its soldiers to war equipped
with .22 cal rifles for many decades now.
Peter Huggins
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???????
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Let me make clear that I'm by no means anti-gun
but in the realm of personal defense 99% of all
such encounters last less than 10 seconds and
expend no more than 3 rounds *total*. Carrying 20
rounds on one's hip concealed all day just doesn't
work and that gun is a bitch to conceal. If you
need more than a 5 shot .38 snubby you've let your
mouth write a check your ass can't cash anyway.
anyt...@contractorcom.com
<SPAMFROMTHE...@fbico.com> wrote:
>http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fal.htm
>
>One of Fabrique Nationale better weapons. Sure a lot of Armed Forces round
>the worls use it, i think just behind the AK-47.
>
>Still give me a shoutgun for close in home defense.
Or a CCTV link to the local police station - or even heat-sensitive
floodlights, or a barking dog....
Pete
Misifus
Make that a J-frame .357Mag, and I'll agree.
Misifus
If someone is trying to kill you, you don't have time to wait for the
police to arrive. By the time they can arrive, you will be dead, and
the police can arrest your murderer. That doesn't do you a lot of good.
JD
Trust me, at personal defense distances a .38
special HydraShock will more than do the job. My
personal lightweight favorite is the Ruger LRC.
Misifus
I only know what I carry.
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
>anyt...@contractorcom.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:49:01 -0500, "Wamp"
>> <SPAMFROMTHE...@fbico.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fal.htm
>>>
>>> One of Fabrique Nationale better weapons. Sure a lot of Armed Forces round
>>> the worls use it, i think just behind the AK-47.
>>>
>>> Still give me a shoutgun for close in home defense.
>>
>> Or a CCTV link to the local police station - or even heat-sensitive
>> floodlights, or a barking dog....
>>
>> Pete
>
>
>If someone is trying to kill you, you don't have time to wait for the
>police to arrive. By the time they can arrive, you will be dead, and
>the police can arrest your murderer. That doesn't do you a lot of good.
>
> -Raf
Yehbutyehbutyehbut...how many of you guys have actually had to fire a
single shot in anger - or self defence?
(Armed forces personnel excepted, of course).
Is the world outside your front door really that dangerous? I've spent
plenty of time in the 'States - never felt threatened once - and if
ever there was a soft target, I'm a walking one.
Pete
JD
I have in self defense, actually the defense of
someone else.
It's not *that* dangerous but it's better to be
pro-active and live longer.
It's not about feeling threatened.
esiegel
> http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fal.htm
>
> One of Fabrique Nationale better weapons. Sure a lot of Armed Forces round
> the worls use it, i think just behind the AK-47.
>
> Still give me a shoutgun for close in home defense.
>
> --
> Wamp
>
> news:db2780bf-1fee-48dc...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fiveseven.htm
>
> > We're talkin the braz rosewood of concealables here ladies and
> > gentlemen
>
> > LA
One town over, an off duty cop was showing his laser sight off to one
of his buddies and killed a kid. I guess states rights and all that,
but here in the heavily populated east coast, in the country's safest
major city (New York, that is), "home defence" causes more accidental
deaths.
E
hans
Hey, ya talk to Brasshole much??
hans
hans
> "Misifus" <rafseib...@att.net> wrote in message
I love it when you boys talk dirty.
hans
R McAlister
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:28:47 -0600, Misifus <rafseib...@att.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >anyth...@contractorcom.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:49:01 -0500, "Wamp"
> >> <SPAMFROMTHECANtwamp...@fbico.com> wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fal.htm
>
> >>> One of Fabrique Nationale better weapons. Sure a lot of Armed Forces round
> >>> the worls use it, i think just behind the AK-47.
>
> >>> Still give me a shoutgun for close in home defense.
>
> >> Or a CCTV link to the local police station - or even heat-sensitive
> >> floodlights, or a barking dog....
>
> >> Pete
>
> >If someone is trying to kill you, you don't have time to wait for the
> >police to arrive. By the time they can arrive, you will be dead, and
> >the police can arrest your murderer. That doesn't do you a lot of good.
>
> > -Raf
>
> Yehbutyehbutyehbut...how many of you guys have actually had to fire a
> single shot in anger - or self defence?
>
I have....in self defense.
Misifus
A. I was in the Armed Forces.
B. Did you ever see an old movie called, "Blackboard Jungle"? I went to
a school like that in New Jersey in the 1950's.
C. Carrying a firearm in the United States is a right, not a privilege
or an expression of paranoia.
Shy Picker
> anyth...@contractorcom.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:28:47 -0600, Misifus <rafseib...@att.net>
> > wrote:
IMO, it can be a right and an expression of paranoia and an expression
of an over aggressive personality that wants to make others
uncomfortable. It depends on the person, of course, but I've seen all
three.
David
D Kennedy
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:38:50 GMT, anyt...@contractorcom.com wrote:
>Yehbutyehbutyehbut...how many of you guys have actually had to fire a
>single shot in anger - or self defence?
>
As a civilian I've pulled twice and shot once. Anger comes
afterward.
>(Armed forces personnel excepted, of course).
>
I'm ex-Navy, but they wouldn't let me carry. Extra hull openings are
frowned upon in submarines.
--
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1979 Yamaha FG-365S, 2003 Yamaha YRS-24B,
19xx Ibanez model 70, 19xx Kay banjo and a
1999 Fead�g Irish whistle.
LA
No...I tend to resort to my version of black humor in the wake of
unfathomable tragedy.
Why can a weapon of this nature, which despite what the ad copy says,
is clearly designed for military applications, be purchased off the
shelf by a civilian in a shithole gun store in Texas?
How many Rafs are there? People with gun fixations who school their
children, before they have reached age of reason, into the gun culture
in the same manner as religious types would indoctrinate theirs...
using fear as a premise.
In America? Way too many.
LA
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
I don't think Raf's got a gun fixation at all. Having talked with him
both on and offline about them I get the impression that he likes a
good bit of workmanship as much as anything else - fitness for purpose
and all that - bit like guitars in that respect.
Be clear, I'm not interested in another gun debate, but a was
interested to know if poeple who owned them had actually had a reason
to use them. There are parts of the UK where gun crime is supposedly
endemic but it's usually baddie-on baddie crime. You're much more
likely to hear gunshots over here on misty mornings in the countryside
when people are out shooting next Sunday's lunch.
Knife crime, though, is slightly more worrying - there's a lot of kids
out there carrying knives for 'self defence', and that's a worrying
slide towards the American attitude towards guns, and knives seem to
be just as effective at offing people as pistols.
Pete
Steve Hawkins
e50e40...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com:
Lenny, the police cannot protect you, any honest cop will confirm this.
That's a simple, verifiable and well documented fact. How you protect
yourself is completely up to you.
Now, on the subject of "unfathomable tragedy" and the "schooling of
children" explain to me why the current generation of children are
seemingly being raised to be completely unable to handle any crisis.
Steve Hawkins
LA
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> LA <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote in news:4b5ef670-f49c-4d2c-82a6-
> e50e401f4...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 9, 9:31 pm, hans <anybutb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 9, 10:53 am, LA <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fiveseven.htm
>
> >> > We're talkin the braz rosewood of concealables here ladies and
> >> > gentlemen
>
> >> > LA
>
> >> Hey, ya talk to Brasshole much??
>
> > No...I tend to resort to my version of black humor in the wake of
> > unfathomable tragedy.
>
> > Why can a weapon of this nature, which despite what the ad copy says,
> > is clearly designed for military applications, be purchased off the
> > shelf by a civilian in a shithole gun store in Texas?
>
> > How many Rafs are there? People with gun fixations who school their
> > children, before they have reached age of reason, into the gun culture
> > in the same manner as religious types would indoctrinate theirs...
> > using fear as a premise.
>
> > In America? Way too many.
>
> > LA
>
> Lenny, the police cannot protect you, any honest cop will confirm this.
Protect myself from what? My own fears?
> That's a simple, verifiable and well documented fact. How you protect
> yourself is completely up to you.
Well, I protect myself by living in an area with such a low crime rate
that I don't really think much about having to protect myself. That
said, I may, or may not, have a short barrel Mossberg 500 within easy
reach in my bedroom. :-)
>
> Now, on the subject of "unfathomable tragedy" and the "schooling of
> children" explain to me why the current generation of children are
> seemingly being raised to be completely unable to handle any crisis.
The short answer.....IMHO the demise of family as we knew it.
LA
Steve Hawkins
6b2d67...@15g2000yqy.googlegroups.com:
Fear is not always a bad thing. Being prepared for a crisis is one
result.
>> That's a simple, verifiable and well documented fact. �How you protect
>> yourself is completely up to you.
>
> Well, I protect myself by living in an area with such a low crime rate
> that I don't really think much about having to protect myself. That
> said, I may, or may not, have a short barrel Mossberg 500 within easy
> reach in my bedroom. :-)
Good choices, all.
>> Now, on the subject of "unfathomable tragedy" and the "schooling of
>> children" explain to me why the current generation of children are
>> seemingly being raised to be completely unable to handle any crisis.
>
> The short answer.....IMHO the demise of family as we knew it.
>
> LA
Agreed!
Steve Hawkins
David Hajicek
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> I don't think Raf's got a gun fixation at all. Having talked with him
> both on and offline about them I get the impression that he likes a
> good bit of workmanship as much as anything else - fitness for purpose
> and all that - bit like guitars in that respect.
>
> Be clear, I'm not interested in another gun debate, but a was
> interested to know if poeple who owned them had actually had a reason
> to use them. There are parts of the UK where gun crime is supposedly
> endemic but it's usually baddie-on baddie crime. You're much more
> likely to hear gunshots over here on misty mornings in the countryside
> when people are out shooting next Sunday's lunch.
>
> Knife crime, though, is slightly more worrying - there's a lot of kids
> out there carrying knives for 'self defence', and that's a worrying
> slide towards the American attitude towards guns, and knives seem to
> be just as effective at offing people as pistols.
>
> Pete
A lot of people in the US carry knives, mostly as a tool. I carry a pocket
knife (except at work where it is not allowed) because it is useful for
opening boxes and cutting up recycled cardboard and all that. When I was a
kid, I was required to bring a pen knife to school to sharpen pencils. Try
that today.
It turns out each state has different laws about what size knife can be
carried. In Minnesota a lockback pocket knife has to be less than a 2 1/2"
blade. Non-hidden knives I think can 5 1/2" I think. I read that Texas has
a different restriction, however. The blade can be no longer than 68 1/2".
;>) Which means I can wear my Katana to the next get together.
I agree with you that a knife will kill almost as well as a gun. A baseball
(or Cricket) bat would also do nicely. I've heard of screwdrivers, chains,
sharpened bicycle spokes and all sorts of things being used as weapons. I
suspect people are the problem.
Dave Hajicek
Zeke Skarland
> Feh, I'll stick with my Ruger.
> Remind me again - what the hell does this have to do with Guitars
> ???????
>
> Oh right, I'ts "Off Topic". Jeez
I'm surprised you had to ask. "OT" is pretty clear, why did you read
it if you didn't want to?
Geezer51
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My name is on that list...self defense.
Geezer
Geezer51
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LA
Wrong again...not enough.
Geezer
Alan D.
On Nov 9, 1:26�pm, guitarman...@webtv.net (Peter Huggins) wrote:
>> Feh, I'll stick with my Ruger.
>> Remind me again - what the hell does this have to do with Guitars
>> ???????
>>
>> Oh right, I'ts "Off Topic". Jeez
>
What, you have to ask? I think the guitar/gun relation is pretty clear. Haven't
you see "Evil Roy Slade"?
Alan D.
Wilbur Slice
wrote:
>
>Well, I protect myself by living in an area with such a low crime rate
>that I don't really think much about having to protect myself. That
>said, I may, or may not, have a short barrel Mossberg 500 within easy
>reach in my bedroom. :-)
What a coincidence. I don't know what a "Mossberg 500" is, but I have
a short barrel within easy reach in my bedroom, too.
David Hajicek
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> "LA" <sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 9, 9:31 pm, hans <anybutb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Wrong again...not enough.
>
> Geezer
>
I think that most people need to be trained in some basic things. How to
drive a car safely, how to ride a motorcycle safely, how to use a gun
safely, how to use power tools safely, how to keep from asphyxiating
yourself, how to put out a grease fire, how to do cpr, how to keep from
accidentally poisoning yourself, how to keep from electrocuting yourself,
how to use a knife or chisel safely, how to use a ladder safely and numerous
other things, almost none of which are taught in school. So we have a lot
of lucky people out there.
As for guns, I feel that it would be useful for even anti-gun people to know
how to pick up a gun and make it safe, so that they can fulfill their desire
to not have people injured by guns. Or so that if they find a gun on the
street, they can control the gun and calmly call 911 and have the gun
removed rather than behave in some ineffective manner.
My wife is mostly anti-gun. Meaning she wishes that there were not so many
guns around, etc. When we had an escaped convict in the neighborhood
breaking into houses and kidnapping people. She asked me to leave a loaded
pistol with her (and our young children) when I went to work. She is
actually a good shot and would not have hesitated shooting someone
physically breaking into the house under those circumstances. Eventually
the convict was caught, but he had been not too many blocks away.
So my point is that a gun is a tool and it is useful to know how to use
tools IMHO.
Dave Hajicek
Sikora Family
>>
> For home defense, a hollow point 9mm, 10mm or .45 would be a better choice
> IMHO.
>
> Dave Hajicek
>
>
>
For home defense, a shotgun is better. Not concealable, but this is for
HOME defense.
Charlie (IMHO) Sikora :)
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> Feh, I'll stick with my Ruger.
> Remind me again - what the hell does this have to do with Guitars
> ???????
>
> Oh right, I'ts "Off Topic". Jeez
>
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Nah. Just on the other side of the pawn shop.
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Les Cargill
It is very interesting how different people view this subject. FWIW,
I know people who consider it to be *immoral* to go unarmed, because
then you're expecting somebody else to take care it for you. Seems
somewhat self-righteous to me, but whatever gets 'em through the day.
Just commenting on the fact that this particular series will never
converge.
--
Les Cargill
JD
Well, you just *can't* expect Big Brother to be
proactive about protecting you, can you? Is it
"OK" to let yourself get taken out of your wife
and kids picture when you had the opportunity to
prevent it. I wouldn't call it necessarily immoral
but it sure reeks of "don't give a fuck".
Peter Huggins
<<< I'm surprised you had to ask. "OT" is pretty clear, why did you read
it if you didn't want to? >>>
First off, I read everything in RMMGA eventually, even the most asinine
posts... Second, it would be incorrect to assume I 'didn't want to'.
I asked because IMNSHO It is distasteful considering the recent
circumstances involving this model of handgun; but bad taste,
unfortunately, is not uncommon.
P. (got my NRA hunter safety certification when I was 10 years old)
Misifus
> David Hajicek wrote:
>>>
>> For home defense, a hollow point 9mm, 10mm or .45 would be a better
>> choice IMHO.
>>
>> Dave Hajicek
>>
>>
>>
>
> For home defense, a shotgun is better. Not concealable, but this is for
> HOME defense.
>
> Charlie (IMHO) Sikora :)
>
Sometimes. A lot depends on how much open space you've got in your
house. In cramped quarters, a long gun can be unwieldy.
-Raf (yup, both)
Peter Huggins
--
Les Cargill >>>
Not in the City Of Los Angeles . . .
Peter Huggins
clear. Haven't you see "Evil Roy Slade"?
Alan D. >>>
Nope, haven't seen it. But I did see Slade perform once. Nobody there
needed shooting but I could see how some people might think otherwise
<G>
P (and Roy Orbison in "The Fastest Guitar Alive").
Les Cargill
No, you can't. But I don't have the attention span for that
sorta thing. Look, violent death is remarkably less probable
than lots of other things. And I've bulls**t my way out
of more tight spots than I care to reveal.
> Is it "OK" to let yourself get taken out of
> your wife and kids picture when you had the opportunity to prevent it. I
> wouldn't call it necessarily immoral but it sure reeks of "don't give a
> fuck".
I'd probably rely on my wife and kids to settle the score. I DoGAF, but
only about controlling the outcome. I wouldn't enter into a fair fight
for anybody's money. See "Charlie Varrick" for details. Fair fights are
for stupid people.
When you post this ( and I am taking liberties I hope I'll be forgiven
for, because I'm only drawing on an image to make a point ) , I
visualize the character from Ren and Stimpy of George Liquor,
veins bulging.
Please understand. My earliest musical career was in places where
you were fairly likely *to* get shot, compared to the average citizen's
experience. Didn't happen often, but a handful of times were sufficient
to greatly exceed typical probabilities.
I adapted more appropriate strategies. Mainly because I
couldn't afford a damned gun. I had to skip eating for
a day to buy strings, yo.
I like guns. But it hasn't exactly been a priority. I can smell the
"Gimme Three Steps" moment *well* in excess of it coming on. Drawing
on Sun Tzu, the best place to be when a blow comes is somewhere else.
I'm a primate; a monkey. That's my evolutionary heritage. Monkeys
hightail it out of there. I haven't had to execute the manuever very
often. Only when I knew reason wasn't gonna work any more. it worked
*much* better than it should have. The secret is eye contact. Lock and
*sell*.
Now, if you're gonna tell me that you're better off blazing away
than GTFOut of there, I'm listening. The Q for that is pretty damned
narrow, and the *first* thing I know about it is I am out of my depth.
And since we're here, I think the finest piece of work I ever did was
talking the guitar player out of going to get his damned .357 one
night when the owner wasn't going to pay us. Nobody got hurt. We got
paid. The owner wasn't up to a few paltry syllogisms.
So go Alamo all you want to. I won't be there. I might be up on the
ridge behind you, sighting in. But it depends.
--
Les Cargill
JD
> Sikora Family wrote:
>> David Hajicek wrote:
>>>>
>>> For home defense, a hollow point 9mm, 10mm or .45 would be a better
>>> choice IMHO.
>>>
>>> Dave Hajicek
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> For home defense, a shotgun is better. Not concealable, but this is
>> for HOME defense.
>>
>> Charlie (IMHO) Sikora :)
>>
>
>
> Sometimes. A lot depends on how much open space you've got in your
> house. In cramped quarters, a long gun can be unwieldy.
>
> -Raf (yup, both)
>
Even an 18" shotgun can get hung up in a narrow
hallway.
JD
Sorry Les, it isn't about your wife and kids
"settling the score", it's about you making sure
you're still around to "be there". If it means
recognizing a "Gimme Three Steps" moment before it
happens or removing yourself before shit goes
down, that's OK, those are all valid skills to
have in your trick bag. Some day you may not have
a choice and will actually need the third option.
Les Cargill
But *understand me* - you leave significant levels of detail out.
If it means
>> recognizing a "Gimme Three Steps" moment before it happens or removing
> yourself before shit goes down, that's OK,
Of course it is. And that's worked really well.
> those are all valid skills to
> have in your trick bag. Some day you may not have a choice and will
> actually need the third option.
JD, outside of people sworn, I would be so very surprised.
--
Les Cargill
JD
5 incidents over my life where the mere presence
of a gun saved my bacon or somebody else's. I'd
just as soon not be the one surprised.
David Hajicek
<JD> wrote in message news:013279d2$0$1777$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
snip>
> Sorry Les, it isn't about your wife and kids "settling the score", it's
> about you making sure you're still around to "be there". If it means
> recognizing a "Gimme Three Steps" moment before it happens or removing
> yourself before shit goes down, that's OK, those are all valid skills to
> have in your trick bag. Some day you may not have a choice and will
> actually need the third option.
I'm not familiar with the "Gimme Three Steps" expression. Can you please
explain?
I prefer not being there when the shit starts happening.
Dave Hajicek
Les Cargill
> 5 incidents over my life where the mere presence of a gun saved my bacon
> or somebody else's. I'd just as soon not be the one surprised.
I would just as soon not be there.
--
Les Cargil
JD
Yeah, me neither but 2 of those folks could well
have been killed had I run away.
David Hajicek
"David Hajicek" <haj...@skypoint.com> wrote in message
news:IZadneHfW5rFp2fX...@skypoint.com...
Good plan. Get the heck out of there.
Dave Hajicek
Shy Picker
> Les Cargill wrote:
> > JD wrote:
> >> Les Cargill wrote:
> >>> Geezer51 wrote:
I believe another part of that equation is that I would rather not
risk injuring or killing another person because I want to keep a gun
around all the time because of a very small chance something nasty
would happen that I could not handle without a gun.
If these people, who should have a lot of training on handling guns,
have accidents, I believe the odds of having an accident is far more
likely than the need for a gun to defend myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=UoNLgZul2CE&NR=1
And, how about a DEA agent. Shouldn't they be so well trained that
they know what they are doing with a gun?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=DS9JiPSXwwc&feature=related
David
Misifus
It is a sad fact, the some law enforcement officers only perform the
minimum required training with their weapons. I believe LEO's have as
many, or more, negligent discharges than do the civilian public
-Raf
Les Cargill
I've been fortunate enough to miss that particular experience.
--
Les Cargill
Larry Brown
> Les Cargill wrote:
> > Geezer51 wrote:
Anyone who doesn't feel the need to carry a gun at all times doesn't
"give a fuck" about his family? That's over the top even for a gun
discussion.
Oh, and anyone who isn't a cop and has managed to get him or herself
into five situations where a gun was necessary probably could do with
some lifestyle changes, thereby making the gun alot less "necessary".
I don't mind people owning guns, they are going to wether I do or not.
I just don't think they should be able to buy mass amounts of them for
resale at gun flea-markets, and I don't care to have one on my person
all the time. I don't think that makes me "unprepared" or careless
about my family. It just makes me a normal person who doesn't walk
around in a state of hyper-vigilance waiting for "something to go
down" all the time. Sounds like an awful way to live.
Steve Daniels
something compelled Larry Brown <larry...@hotmail.com>, to
say:
> Oh, and anyone who isn't a cop and has managed to get him or herself
> into five situations where a gun was necessary probably could do with
> some lifestyle changes, thereby making the gun alot less "necessary".
Hear hear.
--
Howdya like that... we started playing guitar to impress the chicks and wind
up talkin' fingernails with old men.
Ray Boyce - 9.27.09
Steve Hawkins
news:trmof559s3dslm5ns...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:28:05 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
> something compelled Larry Brown <larry...@hotmail.com>, to
> say:
>
>> Oh, and anyone who isn't a cop and has managed to get him or
>> herself into five situations where a gun was necessary probably
>> could do with some lifestyle changes, thereby making the gun alot
>> less "necessary".
>
>
> Hear hear.
Missed all the Home Invasion, robberies/assualts/murders, that have
happened in Oregon? I'm not sure how my lifestyle affects someone who
decides to kick my door down while I'm at home.
No offense, but you two have no clue.
Steve Hawkins
Shy Picker
> On Nov 10, 8:09 pm, JD wrote:
> Oh, and anyone who isn't a cop and has managed to get him or herself
> into five situations where a gun was necessary probably could do with
> some lifestyle changes, thereby making the gun alot less "necessary".
Holy Cow! You hit the nail on the head, Larry.
That's exactly what I did. From growing up in Eastern Kentucky to
moving to the Hillbilly slums of Indianapolis and Richmond, Indiana
where I always felt I had to be alert. I would walk into a bar and
always notice where all the exits were and try my best to make sure my
back was against the wall.
Until I moved to Michigan, I never new that folks could consistently
get together and drink beer and never have a fight break out. Now I
live in a quite peaceful place out in the country and the closest
think I have seen to a fight the last 30 years is either on TV or a
harmless shoving match on the basketball court.
David
JD
Some of us don't play blind and deaf when someone
else is in trouble like the New Yorkers who let
Kitty Genovese get slowly murdered. I'll take my
lifestyle over some pussified, cowardly, salf
absorbed jackass anyday.
Ed Edelenbos
Talk about your basic self absorbed jackasses.
And old Lenny is sitting back laughing at each and every one of you.
Ed
Steve Hawkins
news:7m3krkF...@mid.individual.net:
Ed, you're not better than us, so please step down. Join the discussion or
not.
Steve Hawkins
Larry Pattis
> news:7m3krkF...@mid.individual.net:
>
> > It's kind of painful how so many of you are as easy to play as a $10
> > fiddle. Talk about your basic self absorbed jackasses.
> >
> > And old Lenny is sitting back laughing at each and every one of you.
> >
> > Ed
Steve Hawkins <res0...@verizon.netREMOVETHIS> wrote:
>
> Ed, you're not better than us, so please step down. Join the discussion or
> not.
>
> Steve Hawkins
Unitarian Universalist motto (heard in passing):
"We're better than you, because we're not, and we know it."
--
Larry Pattis
email: LP "at" LarryPattis "dot" com
http://www.LarryPattis.com
Steve Hawkins
news:121120091553567977%Neve...@spam.invalid:
>> "Ed Edelenbos" <ed...@spookeasy.net> wrote in
>> news:7m3krkF...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>> > It's kind of painful how so many of you are as easy to play as a
>> > $10 fiddle. Talk about your basic self absorbed jackasses.
>> >
>> > And old Lenny is sitting back laughing at each and every one of
>> > you.
>> >
>> > Ed
>
>
>
> Steve Hawkins <res0...@verizon.netREMOVETHIS> wrote:
>>
>> Ed, you're not better than us, so please step down. Join the
>> discussion or not.
>>
>> Steve Hawkins
>
>
>
>
>
> Unitarian Universalist motto (heard in passing):
>
> "We're better than you, because we're not, and we know it."
>
LOL! Now there's a comment that requires a couple of hours to decide if
you should be insulted or not.
Steve Hawkins
Larry Brown
wrote:
> Steve Daniels <sdani...@gorge.net> wrote innews:trmof559s3dslm5ns...@4ax.com:
>
> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:28:05 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
> > say:
>
> >> Oh, and anyone who isn't a cop and has managed to get him or
> >> herself into five situations where a gun was necessary probably
> >> could do with some lifestyle changes, thereby making the gun alot
> >> less "necessary".
>
> > Hear hear.
>
> Missed all the Home Invasion, robberies/assualts/murders, that have
> happened in Oregon? I'm not sure how my lifestyle affects someone who
> decides to kick my door down while I'm at home.
>
> No offense, but you two have no clue.
>
> Steve Hawkins
No clue? Reread my post. I did not say one shouldn't have a gun for
home protection. I was addressing those who feel the need to carry one
all the time while out of the house, and even then I understand there
are exceptions. Off duty cops, somebody leaving a late shift in an
unsafe part of town, etc... But strapping on a gun to go down to Home
Depot or your kid's soccer game on a Saturday afternoon? Just weird.
May nobody decide to kick down your door while you're at home, Steve.
But if it happens five times you must live in the wrong neighborhood.
Larry Brown
> Steve Hawkins wrote:
> >news:trmof559s3dslm5ns...@4ax.com:
>
> >> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:28:05 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
> >> say:
>
> >>> Oh, and anyone who isn't a cop and has managed to get him or
> >>> herself into five situations where a gun was necessary probably
> >>> could do with some lifestyle changes, thereby making the gun alot
> >>> less "necessary".
>
> >> Hear hear.
>
> > Missed all the Home Invasion, robberies/assualts/murders, that have
> > happened in Oregon? I'm not sure how my lifestyle affects someone who
> > decides to kick my door down while I'm at home.
>
> > No offense, but you two have no clue.
>
> > Steve Hawkins
>
> Some of us don't play blind and deaf when someone
> else is in trouble like the New Yorkers who let
> Kitty Genovese get slowly murdered. I'll take my
> lifestyle over some pussified, cowardly, salf
> absorbed jackass anyday.
Oh you can throw around insults like "pussified and cowardly" all you
want to tough guy, but I'm not the one who is so scared of the world
that he has to be packin' heat all the time. WhoTF Kitty Genovese is
and what "self-absorbed" has to do with this discussion, I do not know.
Jenn
Do you think that we could avoid using an entire gender's private parts
(or an entire gender) as an insult? TIA
JD
It was good enough for George Carlin.
Jenn
I'd make the same request of him, were I writing to him.
JD
You'd have better luck asking me; I can only guess
at what kind of scathing response George (rest his
soul) would have come back with upon such a
request. I'll try to keep the language somewhat
less acerbic but in light of some the *actions*
some folks are capable of a little thing like a
word shouldn't bother anybody. I'd bet some of the
stuff on your kids' video games is uglier.
Jenn
No kids, no videos. But there were kids and videos, ones that used a
gender as an insult wouldn't be in the house.
Wilbur Slice
<jennconduct...@mac.com> wrote:
>In article <00789d31$0$13112$c3e...@news.astraweb.com>, JD wrote:
>
>> Jenn wrote:
>> > In article <007894e8$0$17022$c3e...@news.astraweb.com>, JD wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jenn wrote:
>> >>> In article <009c09e8$0$12315$c3e...@news.astraweb.com>, JD wrote:
>> >>>>> Steve Hawkins
>> >>>> Some of us don't play blind and deaf when someone
>> >>>> else is in trouble like the New Yorkers who let
>> >>>> Kitty Genovese get slowly murdered. I'll take my
>> >>>> lifestyle over some pussified, cowardly, salf
>> >>>> absorbed jackass anyday.
>> >>> Do you think that we could avoid using an entire gender's private parts
>> >>> (or an entire gender) as an insult? TIA
>> >>
>> >> It was good enough for George Carlin.
>> >
>> > I'd make the same request of him, were I writing to him.
>>
>> You'd have better luck asking me; I can only guess
>> at what kind of scathing response George (rest his
>> soul) would have come back with upon such a
>> request. I'll try to keep the language somewhat
>> less acerbic but in light of some the *actions*
>> some folks are capable of a little thing like a
>> word shouldn't bother anybody. I'd bet some of the
>> stuff on your kids' video games is uglier.
>
>No kids, no videos. But there were kids and videos, ones that used a
>gender as an insult wouldn't be in the house.
You mean like "George Carlin was a prick"?
Jenn
Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
I wouldn't like that either. What's your point?
kol_isha
"Shy Picker" <ShyP...@aol.com> wrote in message On Nov 12, 12:28 pm, Larry
> On Nov 10, 8:09 pm, JD wrote:
> Oh, and anyone who isn't a cop and has managed to get him or herself
> into five situations where a gun was necessary probably could do with
> some lifestyle changes, thereby making the gun alot less "necessary".
Until I moved to Michigan, I never new that folks could consistently
get together and drink beer and never have a fight break out. Now I
live in a quite peaceful place out in the country and the closest
think I have seen to a fight the last 30 years is either on TV or a
harmless shoving match on the basketball court.
David
I live in the "burbs". Nice homes with backyard pools, kids playing safely
in the yards, etc. No bars with fights breaking out. The roudiest it ever
gets around here is when I do a house concert on my patio, and you can hear
the music down the street. And I would NEVER EVER in my wildest dreams own
a gun. Or use one. And I hope to God I'm never in a situation where I wish
I had one. But... even in the 'burbs," bad things are happening these days.
People are homeless. People are hungry. People are out of work. The world
is going mad. Shootings in Orlando, Texas, Portland.
So for the first time in a long time, I don't feel as safe as I used to.
Even here in the burbs... homes are being broken into daily. We bit the
bullet, we installed a complete alarm system. Every window, every door.
Glass shatter detectors, motion detectors, monitored system, hooked in
wirelessly so that if the phone lines are cut, the alarm goes off anyway.
And that's as far as I will go. Beyond that... if it came to having to live
in a world where the only way to survive was by carrying a gun, I'm not so
sure it's a world I would want to have any part of anyway. I try to take
precautions, but at a certain point, you have to have faith that it'll all
be okay.
--
Best,
Arlene
--------------------------------------
"Kol_Isha" - A Woman's Voice
kol_isha
"Jenn" <jennconduct...@mac.com> wrote in message
>
> Do you think that we could avoid using an entire gender's private parts
> (or an entire gender) as an insult? TIA
Amen. (Or let's make that... Awomen!) :)
hank alrich
I've midwifed five deliveries. Ain't no man on earth as tough as a
pussy.
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
Jenn
Steve Hawkins
news:hdim8o$k6p$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> "Shy Picker" <ShyP...@aol.com> wrote in message On Nov 12, 12:28 pm,
> Larry Brown <larrybro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 10, 8:09 pm, JD wrote:
>
>> Oh, and anyone who isn't a cop and has managed to get him or herself
>> into five situations where a gun was necessary probably could do with
>> some lifestyle changes, thereby making the gun alot less "necessary".
>
>
> Until I moved to Michigan, I never new that folks could consistently
> get together and drink beer and never have a fight break out. Now I
> live in a quite peaceful place out in the country and the closest
> think I have seen to a fight the last 30 years is either on TV or a
> harmless shoving match on the basketball court.
>
> David
>
>
> I live in the "burbs". Nice homes with backyard pools, kids playing
> safely in the yards, etc. No bars with fights breaking out. The
> roudiest it ever gets around here is when I do a house concert on my
> patio, and you can hear the music down the street. And I would NEVER
> EVER in my wildest dreams own a gun. Or use one. And I hope to God
> I'm never in a situation where I wish I had one. But... even in the
> 'burbs," bad things are happening these days. People are homeless.
> People are hungry. People are out of work. The world is going mad.
> Shootings in Orlando, Texas, Portland.
>
That happened half a mile from my house.
Steve Hawkins
sheltech
speaking of guns , guns don't kill people , people shooting guns at each
other kills people ...
but I digress, so to get back on the topic of gun porn, I present you
with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMx-qyvPUos
Wilbur Slice
My point is that saying that doesn't insult all men, and calling
someone a pussy doesn't insult all women. As a matter of fact, this
whole thread has certain aspects of guys comparing the sizes of their
penises. But that's not an insult to all men.
Some people just need to lighten up.
Larry Pattis
<wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:10:31 -0800, Jenn
> <jennconduct...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <4slpf5hhgoehobtr5...@4ax.com>,
> > Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> You mean like "George Carlin was a prick"?
> >
> >I wouldn't like that either. What's your point?
>
> My point is that saying that doesn't insult all men, and calling
> someone a pussy doesn't insult all women. As a matter of fact, this
> whole thread has certain aspects of guys comparing the sizes of their
> penises. But that's not an insult to all men.
>
> Some people just need to lighten up.
>
In fact, quite a while back we had a wonderful human being by the name
of Elizabeth Papapetrou participating on this forum.
She was a terrific person, knowledgable about technical issues, was
writing for AG Magazin,e and involved in many aspects of the music
business (talented singer-songwriter as one)...
...I remember quite well the several times she just flat out posted
that "we" (the man-folk here) needed to stop waving our dicks around.
Period.
Sadly, Elizabeth passed away a number of years ago.
I miss her.
...oh, and boys (as she would appropriately call us), quit waving your
dicks around.
Bob Dorgan
> ...oh, and boys (as she would appropriately call us), quit waving your
> dicks around.
>
Jenn
Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:10:31 -0800, Jenn
> <jennconduct...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <4slpf5hhgoehobtr5...@4ax.com>,
> > Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> You mean like "George Carlin was a prick"?
> >
> >I wouldn't like that either. What's your point?
>
> My point is that saying that doesn't insult all men, and calling
> someone a pussy doesn't insult all women. As a matter of fact, this
> whole thread has certain aspects of guys comparing the sizes of their
> penises. But that's not an insult to all men.
I think that it's a little different when it looks like one is using a
gender word to describe someone as weak and cowardly. But that's just
me, I guess. Like, "no one with a "pussy" would be expected to stop and
help those people."
>
> Some people just need to lighten up.
I'll accept your view for exactly what it's worth, as always. Thanks.
hans
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:10:31 -0800, Jenn
>
> >In article <4slpf5hhgoehobtr58t0ln644dca1ld...@4ax.com>,
> > Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
>
> >> You mean like "George Carlin was a prick"?
>
> >I wouldn't like that either. What's your point?
>
> My point is that saying that doesn't insult all men, and calling
> someone a pussy doesn't insult all women. As a matter of fact, this
> whole thread has certain aspects of guys comparing the sizes of their
> penises. But that's not an insult to all men.
>
> Some people just need to lighten up.
I love it. Lighten up about people who compare their penis-surrogates
(guns) and engage in object adulation regarding a killing mechanism?
Maybe you really missed the point of what LA was trying to post:
guns suck they are not cool when they are bigger or last longer or
are more active after drugs are taken.
guns suck. you can rationalize all about how you need to self
defend, I guess that;s your choice , it's legal, blah blah
the fact remains GUNS SUCK
hans
Cliff
My friend Gerry, an eccentric, intellectual postman ( ! ) wrote a
funny rappin' anti-gun piss-take, you might like :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-WXw0VatTU
c.
Steve Hawkins
890a1a...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 13, 7:50�am, Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:10:31 -0800, Jenn
>>
>> <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >In article <4slpf5hhgoehobtr58t0ln644dca1ld...@4ax.com>,
>> > Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> You mean like "George Carlin was a prick"?
>>
>> >I wouldn't like that either. �What's your point?
>>
>> My point is that saying that doesn't insult all men, and calling
>> someone a pussy doesn't insult all women. �As a matter of fact, this
>> whole thread has certain aspects of guys comparing the sizes of their
>> penises. �But that's not an insult to all men.
>>
>> Some people just need to lighten up. �
>
> I love it. Lighten up about people who compare their penis-surrogates
> (guns) and engage in object adulation regarding a killing mechanism?
Wilbur was commenting on a reaction to the descriptive use of the female
anatomy, not guns. Get a grip (pun intended).
So, how's the weather on your planet?
Steve Hawkins
Shy Picker
wrote:
> "Shy Picker" <ShyPic...@aol.com> wrote in message On Nov 12, 12:28 pm, Larry
Luckily there hasn't been much around here. There was a few break-ins
a couple of decades ago and that was about a mile away and they mostly
just stole the feller's guns. And then, a year later, did it again.
There have been a few murders and attempted murders within a five mile
radius of where I live but those have always been family related. A
husband killed his wife, a son killed his brother and set out to kill
his parents but failed, a daughter tried to poison her parents and
siblings. The last one has been over a decade ago.
But I have been a bit nervous lately concerning the actions of my
Wife's brother who lives next door. When his dad died a few months
ago, he got about 80% of his dad's estate he tried to lie, cheat ans
steal more so we had it out with him. He is a bit of a coward but can
be dangerous when he gets really drunk and he has been drinking a lot
lately. And now his wife's family says that he has been deeply
depressed and out walking through the corn field late at night. I do
keep a ball bat handy.
I still think that the odds of something bad happening are small. And
there is no 100% safe no matter how many guns a person keeps in his
house.
David
Geezer51
Jenn,
Ya just gotta realize that all men are animals...
Some of us just make better pets.
Geezer
JD
You could also look at in terms of Jungian
archetypes; a man not living up to warrior/king
role may just have a little too much estrogen in
his system.
John Sorell
news:hdkgso$uni$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
...and some make better pelts.
John
John Sorell
Jenn
Or just the right amount.
JD
Ah, I get it, you subscribe to the notion that men
and what is characteristically male behavior
aren't "right". I'm a joyful bundle of positive
male energy that doesn't buy into the underlying
male bashing that seems to prevail among the
politically correct. I embrace the feminine side
of who I am. Get over it. "Pussy" is just a word.
MKR
> In article <3toqf55mmkv6s8isrf7cq08chl5hmv4...@4ax.com>,> > <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > >In article <4slpf5hhgoehobtr58t0ln644dca1ld...@4ax.com>,
> > > Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
>
> > >> You mean like "George Carlin was a prick"?
>
> > >I wouldn't like that either. What's your point?
>
> > My point is that saying that doesn't insult all men, and calling
> > someone a pussy doesn't insult all women. As a matter of fact, this
> > whole thread has certain aspects of guys comparing the sizes of their
> > penises. But that's not an insult to all men.
>
> I think that it's a little different when it looks like one is using a
> gender word to describe someone as weak and cowardly. But that's just
> me, I guess. Like, "no one with a "pussy" would be expected to stop and
> help those people."
So calling someone "weak and cowardly" (pussy) is an awful insult to a
whole gender, but usign a "gender word" like "prick" to call someone
an aggressive and unempathetic jerk is not? Or it's somehow okay
(because all men *are* aggressive and unempathetic jerks)? Or what?
(and btw - I disagree that the meaning of the word "pussy" is "weak
and cowardly")
>
> > Some people just need to lighten up.
>
> I'll accept your view for exactly what it's worth, as always. Thanks.
Wow. That's pretty unempathetic. But only passive-aggessive, I
guess...
sheesh!
MKR
> On Nov 13, 7:50 am, Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:10:31 -0800, Jenn
>
> > <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac.com> wrote:
> > >In article <4slpf5hhgoehobtr58t0ln644dca1ld...@4ax.com>,
> > > Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
>
> > >> You mean like "George Carlin was a prick"?
>
> > >I wouldn't like that either. What's your point?
>
> > My point is that saying that doesn't insult all men, and calling
> > someone a pussy doesn't insult all women. As a matter of fact, this
> > whole thread has certain aspects of guys comparing the sizes of their
> > penises. But that's not an insult to all men.
>
> > Some people just need to lighten up.
>
> I love it. Lighten up about people who compare their penis-surrogates
> (guns) and engage in object adulation regarding a killing mechanism?
> Maybe you really missed the point of what LA was trying to post:
What? Huh? Maybe *I* missed the point??? I said "lighten up" about
the politically correct objection to certain words, not guns...
Oh, nevermind...
Ed Edelenbos
"John Sorell" <j.sorel...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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We all do what we're good at.
Ed
JD
Not like any of *us* complain about waving
silicone enhanced cleavage around.
Misifus
Women aren't animals, too?
Sheesh!
Vegetables or minerals?
-Raf
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sheltech
and who determines what "the right amount " is anyway?. natural
variations, environmental factors (anyone smoke a lot of dope when they
were younger ?). there is no "right amount" , there's a normal range,
and besides, that's not the only factor involved in whatever the hell
this is about . I agree: get over it.
D
sheltech
don't totally suck . might get me one someday to go plinking
out back by the river.
D