Dunlop Trigger vs. Kyser capo

[Les Cargill]

Time for a new capo. Anybody try the Trigger?

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Les Cargill

[Tony Done]

On 12/27/2013 11:22 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
> Time for a new capo. Anybody try the Trigger?
>

I've used the Trigger style years ago, and didn't like the inefficient
leverage, no problem with the Kyser I have. My current favourite is the
Planet Waves NS, quick and easy to adjust without dragging the strings
out of tune. Unlike the other popular screw capo, the Shubb (got one of
those too), which is quick, but really needs adjusting for each fret
position.

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[Steve Daniels]

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 19:22:17 -0600, against all advice, something
compelled Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.com>, to say:

>Time for a new capo. Anybody try the Trigger?

Don't fuck around. Just get the Shubb.

[Les Cargill]

Not a big fan of the thumbscrew. May get both a Shubb and a Kyser.

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Les Cargill

[JD]

I have a couple of Shubbs, one almost 40 years
old. They work great. I have a Victor that's good
and Planet Waves NS that's my current favorite.
The Kyser is junk IMNSHO. Didn't like the Trigger
either.

[hank alrich]

Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

> Time for a new capo. Anybody try the Trigger?

I've been using this:

http://www.planetwaves.com/pwProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=4115&productid=
612&productname=NS_Tri_Action_Capo_Black

AKA:

http://tinyurl.com/kpeqa7e

The previous iteration had several more parts, and after a while began
to rattle, as had its predecessor. This is a much better design, and the
way it goes together should prevent rattling when under pressure.

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[hank alrich]

Dave Johns has Shubb #2, which was the first one that worked. #1 didn't
cut it. #2 still works as it should.

I like the PW NS regular screw-clamp best, but I have experienced a
failure with one, so a Shubb rides shotgun everywhere I go.

[Les Cargill]

hank alrich wrote:
> Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Time for a new capo. Anybody try the Trigger?
>
> I've been using this:
>
> http://www.planetwaves.com/pwProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=4115&productid=
> 612&productname=NS_Tri_Action_Capo_Black
>

Oh, I rather like that... one-handed, but adjustable. It
doesn't have any parts on the fretboard side of the neck, either -
something I kinda hated about the Kyser.

> AKA:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kpeqa7e
>
> The previous iteration had several more parts, and after a while began
> to rattle, as had its predecessor. This is a much better design, and the
> way it goes together should prevent rattling when under pressure.
>

Thanks, Hank.

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Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

JD wrote:
> On 12/27/2013 10:30 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
>> Steve Daniels wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 19:22:17 -0600, against all
>>> advice, something
>>> compelled Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.com>,
>>> to say:
>>>
>>>> Time for a new capo. Anybody try the Trigger?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't fuck around. Just get the Shubb.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not a big fan of the thumbscrew. May get both a
>> Shubb and a Kyser.
>>
>
> I have a couple of Shubbs, one almost 40 years old. They work great.

I'll probably get one just in case.

> I
> have a Victor that's good and Planet Waves NS that's my current
> favorite.

Is that the same one that Hank put up a link to?

> The Kyser is junk IMNSHO.

It did okay. Served well a long time. That curlicue
that sticks up got in the way.

I loaned out ( read: gave it away ) at a gig
last month.

> Didn't like the Trigger either.

Ah. Thanks.

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Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

"We were put on this planet to fart around." - Kurt Vonnegut.

This being said, I'll probably get a Shubb just to compare. Thanks.

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Les Cargill

[Tony Done]

I've also got a Victor:

http://www.jimdunlop.com/product/victor-capo

Kinda quaint and old-fashioned but it works very well after I smoothed
up the worm gear with some valve grinding paste.

The modern designs of screw capoes like the PW are IMO a good deal more
user-friendly than the older designs.

One thing I like about the Kyser is the bright colours - less easy to
lose. Other manufactures of small gear should follow the example of many
tradesman's tools, which now come in high-visibility colours.

[hank alrich]

Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

> hank alrich wrote:
> > Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Time for a new capo. Anybody try the Trigger?
> >
> > I've been using this:
> >
> > http://www.planetwaves.com/pwProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=4115&productid=
> > 612&productname=NS_Tri_Action_Capo_Black
> >
>
> Oh, I rather like that... one-handed, but adjustable. It
> doesn't have any parts on the fretboard side of the neck, either -
> something I kinda hated about the Kyser.

All of that, plus helpfully fine screw thread on the adjustment
mechanism. Tension is fairly easily adjusted with the capo in place.

I find suboptimal matching of capo to fingerbgoard curvature an
invitation to buzz jungle tuning nightmares, so it helps that the PW NS
shape closely matches that of the McCollum fingerboards.

I don't normally deploy this type of capo outside of practice. I prefer
the simpler NS model, and the Shubb. I think the NS in either version
distorts tuning less than other capos I've used.

The Shubbs are as close to indestructible as a capo can be, and they
perform very well. I can discuss failures of other makes and models of
capos. No such experience with a Shubb.

> > AKA:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/kpeqa7e
> >
> > The previous iteration had several more parts, and after a while began
> > to rattle, as had its predecessor. This is a much better design, and the
> > way it goes together should prevent rattling when under pressure.
> >
>
>
> Thanks, Hank.


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[Rich M]

Of all the capos I have used and collected, my favorite is the Shubb Deluxe with the roller bearing. I can adjust the pressure to just enough to minimize buzz without distorting the tuning. I have original shubbs too, but they're not as good as the deluxe.


I've been testing a Paige Clik. I like it because you can store it by simply loosening and sliding it above the nut.

Still like the Shubb Deluxe better.

[Les Cargill]

Both of 'em are here. They're different. I didn't understand the logic
of the Shubb at all from the pictures - you don't have
to turn a thumbscrew to put it on the same guitar it was on last time.


Either one works very well.

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Les Cargill

[Jonathan]

A very well-respected luthier once told me that Kyser capos can cause premature fret wear, which seems pretty reasonable to me, since they generate more pressure than you really need to get a clean barre.

[hank alrich]

Trying to envision how that would work.

Once the strings are pressed to the fretboard, additional pressure only
mashes the rubber further, and applies more force to the fretboard. How
would there be more pressure on the fret?

[Jonathan]

Good question, Hank.
Maybe other capos don't need to squeeze the strings as tightly against the fretboard to work. I vaguely remember when I used the Kyser many years ago that it pulled the strings slightly sharp, which would seem to indicate that more force was being exerted on the strings.
Then again, he could have been wrong.

[Les Cargill]

I have to wonder how that would work The Kyser, you had to reseat it
sometimes to get zero fret buzz. Neither the Planet Waves nor the Shubb
exhibit that.

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Les Cargill

[Mike Brown]

In article <lansjn$a8i$1...@dont-email.me>,

Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

> > A very well-respected luthier once told me that Kyser capos can cause
> > premature fret wear, which seems pretty reasonable to me, since they
> > generate more pressure than you really need to get a clean barre.
> >
>
>
> I have to wonder how that would work The Kyser, you had to reseat it
> sometimes to get zero fret buzz. Neither the Planet Waves nor the Shubb
> exhibit that.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

Most of the people I know who use spring capos seem to have to put them
on crooked on the neck to get them to be buzz free and then tweek the
tuning to get it right. And they take longer to put them on than I take
to fit either my Shubb or my NS.
MJRB

[Steve Daniels]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 09:03:16 -0800, against all advice, something
compelled walk...@nv.net (hank alrich), to say:

>Trying to envision how that would work.
>
>Once the strings are pressed to the fretboard, additional pressure only
>mashes the rubber further, and applies more force to the fretboard. How
>would there be more pressure on the fret?

A good capo won't mash the strings into the fretboard. I think it means
that.

[Jonathan]

On the subject of capos, I just noticed an anachronism in "Inside Llewyn Davis." I'm don't think Shubb capos were around in 1961 :)

[Mike Brown]

In article <2c13f9e9-db75-470e...@googlegroups.com>,

I wouldn't know. I've certainly had some of my Shubbs for a very long
time. I can still remember using the elastic type though.
MJRB

[jsorell]

Jonathan <gosto.d...@gmail.com> wrote in news:2c13f9e9-db75-470e-
9734-6f2...@googlegroups.com:

> Inside Llewyn Davis

I noticed that, too. What did you think of the movie as a whole?

I'm not big on movies. I'm usually hyped out before I get a chance to see
them and typically underwhelmed when I do see them; so I usually don't
bother. But, I will always go see a Cohen bros film. This one
dissapointed me as a Cohen bros film and left me wondering why it was
made as a movie in general. With all the awards and media chatter about
it I keep wondering what I'm missing.

I struggled to stay with it until three fourths the way through when I
realized it wasn't going to get any better. The last quarter was torture
for me.

I understand T-Bone purposefully kept the music 'hokey'. As the John
Goodman character said, "G C G C D G"....that was the entire movie for
me. It was like listening to the song 500 Miles repeatedly for 100
minutes.

John

[George Weston]

No, that would be "E A B E" but I know what you mean... ;-)

[Jonathan]

I was a little disappointed in this one, too.
It was not as entertaining as "Fargo," or "Brother Where art Thou," but, like all of the Coen Bros. movies, it had some clever touches, and some offbeat characters, like the musician-soldier with the odd way of speaking.
Also, the bit about Goodman the Jazzer mocking Llewen's "cowboy chords" was pretty funny.
The actor who played Llewen had a great voice as wel.
Being a "week-in-the-life" sort of movie, it didn't have much of a story, which perhaps made it a little less satisfying than those other two movies.
Actually, I have never seen one of the Coen Brothers' movies that I regretted watching.