FX for Nylon to sound like Steel?

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John

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Jun 27, 2004, 4:12:57 PM6/27/04
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What sort of effects would make nylon classical guitar sound more like
a steel string? The nylon sound could come either from a piezo pickup
or from a mic.
Thanks,
John

foldedpath

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Jun 27, 2004, 4:35:00 PM6/27/04
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jo...@lownoisedevices.com (John) wrote in
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That's an uphill battle, because the sustain and note envelope will never
be the same as steel strings. It might be better to just go with the
strengths of the nylon string sound, and then get a steel string guitar if
you need that different sound.

If you really have to do this, I'd start with a good compressor... not a
floor pedal unit, a good rackmount compressor like FMR's RNC model.
Experiment with the settings to see if you can get a bit more sustain,
without killing off all your dynamics. You'll probably want to enhance the
highs, which sound comparitively dull on nylon strings. Instead of EQ, I'd
try doing that with the BBE enhancer effect after the compressor. That will
brighten up your highs without sounding quite as artificial as high EQ
adjustment can sound. All of this won't sound exactly like a steel string,
and it will really sound like crap if you over-do it. But a little bit of
this treatment might get you a little closer to the steel string sound.

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Mike Barrs

David Kilpatrick

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Jun 27, 2004, 6:46:14 PM6/27/04
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foldedpath wrote:

Have a listen to 'Ropes of Sand' on
http://www.soundclick.com/davidkilpatrick

This is a fairly processed Lowden S25J nylon - under saddle EMG pickup,
Trace preamp with scooped shaping, reverb etc. The lead line is not
exactly like steel (indeed, you can't get airy jangle from nylon no
matter what you do) but it's a decent sustained and bright effect.

The biggest difference is in the strings. Change to extra high tension.
The brightest trebles are flamenco, or Savarez plastic filament wound
(noisy and odd feeling but brilliant), or the ones I use now - Aquila
Alchemia Nylgut High Tension (www.aquilacorde.com or .it). The Aquila
strings are unlike any I've ever used and impart a brilliant, sustaining
treble to a classical guitar whether plugged in or not. So far I've not
made a recording with them, only used one set, due to order more.

David

Mike brown

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Jun 28, 2004, 4:30:57 AM6/28/04
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>
> Have a listen to 'Ropes of Sand' on
> http://www.soundclick.com/davidkilpatrick
>
> This is a fairly processed Lowden S25J nylon - under saddle EMG pickup,
> Trace preamp with scooped shaping, reverb etc. The lead line is not
> exactly like steel (indeed, you can't get airy jangle from nylon no
> matter what you do) but it's a decent sustained and bright effect.
>
> The biggest difference is in the strings. Change to extra high tension.
> The brightest trebles are flamenco, or Savarez plastic filament wound
> (noisy and odd feeling but brilliant), or the ones I use now - Aquila
> Alchemia Nylgut High Tension (www.aquilacorde.com or .it). The Aquila
> strings are unlike any I've ever used and impart a brilliant, sustaining
> treble to a classical guitar whether plugged in or not. So far I've not
> made a recording with them, only used one set, due to order more.
>
> David


David.

That

www.aquilacorde.com

site is excellent, thanks for posting it.

I won't be using it at the moment, but I have a very old English classical
guitar for which I have never found strings that completely satisfied me.

I've used Savarez Yellow Card (extra high tension) for years, but will
certainly try some of the various Aquila types in due course.

MJRB

Al Carruth

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Jun 28, 2004, 9:40:15 AM6/28/04
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You could go the 'all natural; route, and switch to Thomastic "S" series
classical strings. These have a core of fine steel wire rope, even on the high
E, but are designed to have the same overall tension as 'normal' nylon strings.
They're sort of expensive, but they will give your classical guitar that steel
sound.

Alan Carruth / Luthier

David Kilpatrick

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Jun 28, 2004, 1:36:52 PM6/28/04
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Al Carruth wrote:


Oh no they won't... (all reply: oh yes they will!)

I've tried them and what the actually do is make it sound slightly like
a banjo. It isn't a nylon sound, and it is certainly not a conventional
steel sound either. kind of dark and twangy.

David

Al Carruth

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Jun 29, 2004, 10:21:06 AM6/29/04
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David Kilpatrick wrote:

<<I've tried them and what the actually do is make it sound slightly like
a banjo. >>

OK. What I should have said was that the strings themselves have a 'steel'
sound, rather than a 'nylon' or 'gut' one. How they will sound on your
particular instrument will depend on the instrument. I've put them on a few of
my guitars and they've sounded like steel strings, although not exactly like a
'real' steel string guitar.

There are some fairly important acoustical differences between boxes designed
for steel and nylon strings. The different stings have different spectral
balances, and the instrument has to be designed to make a 'guitar' sound given
the differences in the input.

I suspect that one reason the Thomasic "S" strings have worked pretty well on
my guitars is that I tend to build more toward the heavier 'Hauser' style than
the lighter 'Spanish' school. I can see where those strings would make a light
top sound 'banjoey'.

Alan Carruth / Luthier
http://www.alcarruthluthier.com

misifus

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Jun 29, 2004, 5:55:16 PM6/29/04
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Al Carruth wrote:


I've tried the Thomastik-Infeld Classical "C" strings and they
have a much more "steel-like" sound especially on the trebles.
Me, I didn't care for them. I like my nylon string guitars to
sound like nylon string guitars.

-Raf

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Rafael Seibert
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http://www.ralphandsue.com

Craig C. Brandau

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Jun 30, 2004, 10:38:05 PM6/30/04
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Why do you want to do this?

raelk...@gmail.com

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Mar 5, 2018, 2:40:08 PM3/5/18
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i have a korg pandora px4a which has steel string and 12 strings settings, you can get em second hand, might be worth a look

mark.b...@gmail.com

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Mar 6, 2018, 3:36:01 AM3/6/18
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14 years on, I suspect John's either found a solution or stopped caring...

Steve Hawkins

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Mar 6, 2018, 10:34:22 AM3/6/18
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mark.b...@gmail.com wrote in
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....or saved up enough for a used Martin or Taylor.

Steve Freides

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Mar 6, 2018, 2:25:19 PM3/6/18
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Spruce top, high tension strings.

Or a Martin or Taylor.

-S-


Steven Bornfeld

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Mar 11, 2018, 3:20:11 PM3/11/18
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...or a Framus.

Shane Cammell

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Aug 1, 2020, 8:00:28 AM8/1/20
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I'm curious about this idea as I play a nylon string but am influenced by Tommy Emmanuel. I can't play a steel string as the strings break my right hand nails. Just thought the idea of a bright attack for a few tunes might be handy :)
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