What Becomes of the Broken Hearted
tpp
DVD of "Standing in the Shadows of Motown" (and just being my usual
bad-self, funkmeister that I am) and I really enjoyed Joan Osborne sing
"What Becomes of the Broken Hearted."
I played that segment many times to figure out the nuances in chord changes,
but I'm missing something (I guess I'm just too funky for own self). Can
anyone help me with the chords? I've got most of them, but some of the
turn-arounds are escaping me.
By the way, Bootsy is great on "Do You Love Me?"
Tom
LarryLarry2003
"What Becomes of the Broken Hearted.">>
She does nail it.
Larry
Sherm
wrote:
Great song. Key changes verse to chorus and back, right? How about
posting some of what you have. What key, for example?
Sherm
tpp
Here it is. This is what I got from the "Standing in the Shadows of Motown"
DVD. They perform it in Bb.
By the way, you'll have to put my text into courier font to see where I
placed the chords. The question marks are the changes I'm looking for.
Bb Dm Gm Eb
As I walk this land of broken dreams, I have visions of many things
Bb ? ? ? ?
Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion
C Em Am F
What becomes of the broken hearted, who had love that's now departed?
C ? ? ? ?
I know I've got to find, Some kind of peace of mind, Maybe.
Bb Dm Gm Eb
The fruits of love grow all around but for me they come a tumblin' down.
Bb ? ? ? ?
Every day heartaches grow a little stronger I can't stand this pain much
longer
Bb Dm Gm Eb
I walk in shadows Searching for light, cold and alone no comfort in sight,
Bb Dm ? ? ?
Hoping and praying for someone to care, always moving and goin nowhere
C Em Am F
What becomes of the broken hearted, who had love that's now departed?
C ? ? ? ?
I know I've got to find, Some kind of peace of mind, Maybe.
Bb Dm Gm Eb
I'm searching though I don't succeed, but someone look, there's a growing
need.
Bb ? ? ? ?
?
Oh, he is lost, there's no place for beginning, all that's left is an
unhappy ending.
Now what's become of the broken-hearted, who had love that's now departed?
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tpp
Tom
"Sherm" <jsherma...@lorainccc.edu> wrote in message
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> Those are the spots where I was hoping you could help me. This is a
> job for Sato, Evans, Naffin, etc.
>
> Sherm
>
Rick Del Savio
intro;
4/4 Slash after chord symbol to indicate beats F//// F//// F// Dm/
C/ Bb/Fbass //// F//// Gm//// Eb/Gbass//// Bb/Fbass ////
Bbdim7//// Eb7////
Eb7// Dm/C/ Verse Bb/Fbass //// F//// Gm//// //// Bb/Fbass//// F////
Gm//// A7// G7// Chorus C//// G//// Am//// //// C/Gbass //// Am//
G// G#dim7//// G#dim7// Dm/C/ Bb/Fbass//// F//// Gm////
Eb/Gbass//// Bb/Fbass//// C7/Ebass//// Eb7//// Eb7 // Dm/ C/
Bb/Fbass //// F//// Gm//// //// Bb/Fbass//// F//// Gm//// A7//G7//
Chorus. Phew. I hope that nails it. Cheers, Rick :) tpp
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post?
Sherm
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:55:36 -0400, "tpp" <pow...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
tpp
Looks good. I'm working with your information; I'm not quite there yet, but
you got me soooo close.
Thank you.
Tom
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Rick Del Savio
to see if my post with the chord changes appeared. I don't see it, but
yet others can. How is that? TIA, Rick :)
--
Sherm
this one. Thanks for posting those changes.
Sherm
Rick Del Savio
Rick Del Savio
own a DVD player at the time. I watched it on the pc. Then I had to buy
a DVD player. That tune is so moving, for me, on several levels. When I
heard it discussed here I immediately sat in front of the tv picking out
the changes. I think that part of that tunes charm is the harmonized
bass-line. 3rds and 5ths in the bass, that sort of thing. And what a
performance by Joan. Anyway, Cheers, Rick {:^D}
tpp
Joan Osborne really sings from the heart on it. My wife and I watched that
performance over and over again, with me trying to figure out the chords,
and she just taking it all in. In addition, we also watched Bootsy Collins
perform "Do You Love Me" just as many times.
Tom
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paul asbell
tpp wrote:
>Hi Rick,
>
>Joan Osborne really sings from the heart on it. My wife and I watched that
>performance over and over again, with me trying to figure out the chords,
>and she just taking it all in.
>
>
>
>
I also was pleasantly impressed by Joan Osborne's performance on this tune.
BUT...
Make sure to check the original out, if you don't already know it. It's
always been one of my personal faves of the entire Motown ouevre, and
Jimmy Ruffin's original is just GREAT.
--
Best regards
Paul
tpp
You're absolutely right and I'm old enough to remember Jimmy Ruffin's
version when it was released, and it knocked me out then. I didn't mean to
take away from the original; but, all my gushing over Joan Osborne was
because I thought her rendition paid respect to the original.
By the way, thank you for teaching me a new word: oeuvre.
Tom
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paul asbell
tpp wrote:
>Paul,
>
>You're absolutely right and I'm old enough to remember Jimmy Ruffin's
>version when it was released, and it knocked me out then. I didn't mean to
>take away from the original; but, all my gushing over Joan Osborne was
>because I thought her rendition paid respect to the original.
>
Actually, that was exactly my feeling, too.
At the risk of confirming my "old fart' status, I've grown accustomed to
feeling that contemporary standards about "singing quality" have
loosened a lot over the years. Motown/Soul singers set a standard that,
IMO, precious few singers in the contemporary rock/pop world match. A
lot of current rock/pop singers appear not to be particularly concerned
whether they do justice to those standards... i'm sometimes not sure
whether contemporary audiences care much, either.
When you hear one (Joan Osborne, for example) who DOES, it's
noteworthy... that's why we're noting it!... ;-)
>
>By the way, thank you for teaching me a new word: oeuvre.
>
>
>
>
>
Sure... but dropping French words casually into a sentence is probably
not the way to some folks' hearts right about now. Maybe i shoulda said
"FREEDOM oeuvre".... ;-)
--
Best regards
Paul
Paul Asbell
pas...@paulasbell.com
www.paulasbell.com
Joe McNamara
always been one of my personal faves of the entire Motown ouevre, and
Jimmy Ruffin's original is just GREAT.<<
Word. A perfect record.
Bloodlines will tell. Gerald Levert, who tore up both the Tops toon and
"Shotgun" is the son of Eddie Levert of The O'Jays, and Jimmy Ruffin is David
Ruffin's big brother. And David Ruffin did OK, with, and after The Temps...
My Girl
Since I Lost My Baby
Beauty Is Only Skin Deep
Ain't Too Proud To Beg
(I Know) I'm Losing You
I Wish It Would Rain
I Could Never Love Another (After Loving You) (sorta solo)
My Whole World Ended The Moment You Left Me (solo)
The late David Ruffin's my favorite male singer who isn't Otis, Al Green, Sam
Cooke, Solomon Burke, Johnny Taylor, James Carr or O.V. Wright. They're all my
favorite male singer too*.
Joe
*along with BB, Marvin, Levi Stubbs (and bother Joe, a one-hit wonder as The
Contours frontman on the GREAT "Just A Little Misunderstanding", a forgotten
gem of the quality of WBOTBH, though I'll bet money that Asbell knows it),
Jerry Butler, Sam Moore and Dave Prater, Otis Clay, Roy Redmond, Ronnie Isley,
Lee Dorsey, Carl Hall, Syl Johnson, Bobby Bland, Howard Tate, Garnet Mimms,
Stevie Wonder, Ernie K-Doe, Little Milton, The Wolf, Muddy, Freddie and
Albert...got a lot of favorite male singers, it would seem. I'm an easy marker,
make one GREAT record like Jimmy Ruffin or King Floyd, yer on my list, which
also has to include Rufus Thomas, Bobby Womack, Curtis Mayfield, Chuck Jackson,
Dennis Edwards, Paul Williams (the Temptation who sang "Don't look Back", not
the weird little white dood), Tyrone Davis, Sir Harry Bowen and Sweet Pea
Atkinson, Russell Tompkins of The Stylistics, Eugene Record of The Chi-lites,
Philippe Wynne of The Spinners, Terry King and Bobby Evans, Juniors Parker,
Wells, and Walker, and The Star of "Star Time", The Hardest Workin Man In Show
Bizness, Soul Brutha #1...James Brown, James Brown,James Brown, James Brown.
elmcmeen
"Joe McNamara" <jom...@aol.com> wrote in message <snip>
> The late David Ruffin's my favorite male singer who isn't Otis, Al Green,
Sam
> Cooke, Solomon Burke, Johnny Taylor, James Carr or O.V. Wright. They're
all my
> favorite male singer too*.
>
> Joe
Joe, Joe, Joe...you forgot Levi Stubbs!
EM
paul asbell
>Bloodlines will tell. Gerald Levert, who tore up both the Tops toon and
>"Shotgun" is the son of Eddie Levert of The O'Jays,
>
Just caught Eddie in new orleans a few months back. Really fun show. I
confess that i'd not followed his every move, but told my wife we had to
catch him, cuz i've always loved the O'Jays, and "the apple doesn't fall
too far from the tree"...
>...
>The late David Ruffin's my favorite male singer who isn't Otis, Al Green, Sam
>Cooke, Solomon Burke, Johnny Taylor, James Carr or O.V. Wright. They're all my
>favorite male singer too*.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>*along with BB, Marvin, Levi Stubbs (and bother Joe, a one-hit wonder as The
>Contours frontman on the GREAT "Just A Little Misunderstanding", a forgotten
>gem of the quality of WBOTBH, though I'll bet money that Asbell knows it),
>Jerry Butler, Sam Moore and Dave Prater, Otis Clay, Roy Redmond, Ronnie Isley,
>Lee Dorsey, Carl Hall, Syl Johnson, Bobby Bland, Howard Tate, Garnet Mimms,
>Stevie Wonder, Ernie K-Doe, Little Milton, The Wolf, Muddy, Freddie and
>Albert...got a lot of favorite male singers, it would seem. I'm an easy marker,
>make one GREAT record like Jimmy Ruffin or King Floyd, yer on my list, which
>also has to include Rufus Thomas, Bobby Womack, Curtis Mayfield, Chuck Jackson,
>Dennis Edwards, Paul Williams (the Temptation who sang "Don't look Back", not
>the weird little white dood), Tyrone Davis, Sir Harry Bowen and Sweet Pea
>Atkinson, Russell Tompkins of The Stylistics, Eugene Record of The Chi-lites,
>Philippe Wynne of The Spinners, Terry King and Bobby Evans, Juniors Parker,
>Wells, and Walker, and The Star of "Star Time", The Hardest Workin Man In Show
>Bizness, Soul Brutha #1...James Brown, James Brown,James Brown, James Brown.
>
>
>
Now I KNOW ya must've been smoking something really good... to name
practically all my top-of-the-heap favorites, and to have forgotten
about Little Willie John!.... ;-)
At the risk of sounding like a broken record on the gospel kick, I'd
have to throw in Claude Jeter and Paul Owens of the Swan Silvertones,
Ira Tucker of the 'Birds, Silas Steele of the Spirit of Memphis, Junius
Cheeks, Pops Harris of the Soul Stirrers (in whose footsteps young Sam
Cooke walked), etc... I suspect I'm "preaching to the choir" w/ this, Joe...
But, Joe, I gotta admit, ya slid one by me w/ Roy Redmond. What's the story?
paul asbell
elmcmeen wrote:
>"Joe McNamara" <jom...@aol.com> wrote in message <snip>
>
>
>
>>The late David Ruffin's my favorite male singer who isn't Otis, Al Green,
>>
>>
>Sam
>
>
>>Cooke, Solomon Burke, Johnny Taylor, James Carr or O.V. Wright. They're
>>
>>
>all my
>
>
>>favorite male singer too*.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>
>Joe, Joe, Joe...you forgot Levi Stubbs!
>
>EM
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>*along with BB, Marvin, Levi Stubbs .....
>>
>
>
>
No he didn't!
And while we're on the subject of Levi, did you ever catch the movie
remake of "Little Shop of Horrors"? If so, you'll know why I'm asking...
if not, TRUST ME...
Joe McNamara
about Little Willie John!.... ;-)<<
Musta been the Fever! Doh!
At the risk of sounding like a broken record on the gospel kick, I'd
have to throw in Claude Jeter and Paul Owens of the Swan Silvertones,
Ira Tucker of the 'Birds, Silas Steele of the Spirit of Memphis, Junius
Cheeks, Pops Harris of the Soul Stirrers (in whose footsteps young Sam
Cooke walked), etc... I suspect I'm "preaching to the choir" w/ this, Joe...<<<
I'm with you, just separating out the sacred from the secular.
But, Joe, I gotta admit, ya slid one by me w/ Roy Redmond. What's the story?<<<
Another in a long line of killer singers produced by Jerry Ragovoy. Everything
I've ever heard by him is on "The Best of Loma Records," a 2 CD compilation
from 1995 that I'm thinking' you NEED to own. Looks like Redmond cut two
singles in '67 "Ain't It Terrible"/"A Change Is Gonna Come," the latter of
which dare, I say it, compares favorably with Cooke's original, and later in
the year "That Old Time Feeling"/"Good Day Sunshine" (yup, the Beetles toon).
Loma was Warner Brothers attempt to market a soul label from '64-68, much of
the production & writing load shouldered by Ragovoy. Unbelievable stuff, mostly
by folks I'd never heard of, with a few exceptions. Carl Hall's "You Don't Know
Nothing About Love" is worth the cost of the set by it's lonesome, and the
liner notes are only lacking in track personal listings, otherwise a nicely
done job. (Call me obsessive, but I wanna know if it's Eric Gale and Cornell
Dupree, or is it Hugh McCracken and somebody else.... Is it Rainey or Jemmott?
Tee or Griffin? I KNOW it's Purdie!)
5 cuts by Ike & Tina, 3 from Brooklyn's own J.J. Jackson (unfortunately NOT "I
Dig Girls", but two other tunes in addition to the required "It's All Right",
one of which might be an even BETTER record than "It's All Right")
All three Lorraine Ellison singles, Linda Jones "Hypnotized" ("Hip-mo-tized,
you've got me hip-mo-tized"), Solomon Burke (or the World's Greatest Solomon
Burke Imitator) recording as "Lukas Lollipop", people who appeared briefly to
record tunes by folks like Phil & Don, Van McCoy, Big Jay McNeely, as well as
Ragovoy and Bert Berns, (and their various pseudonyms). The pre-Rascals
original of "Good Lovin," pre-Janis original of "Try (Just A Little Bit
Harder"). The Mighty Hannibal. Ben Aiken. "The Teen Tubans," fer chissakes,
reminding us that "We Need to Be Loved." As My Old Man used to say, "C'mon,
whattya want, egg in your beer?"
Outstanding playing behind all the singers, and even the crummy toons have
brilliant moments.
Paul, buy this CD and if you don't like it, I'll buy it from you. I mean, until
you hear "The Apollas" singing what appears to be a lament to lost virginity,
"Who Would Want Me Now" ("now that you've got everything I had to give, baby")
penned by The Everly Brothers, I think there's a big hole in your soul. <g>
Besides, it's got the greatest live-in-the-studio-record-evuh-recorded, "Stay
With Baby" by impossibly talented Lorraine Ellison
Joe
"Ohhhh, look at that sun!" Roy Redmond, 1967
Joe McNamara
paul asbell
Joe McNamara wrote:
>....
Well, Joe, your batting .1000 in my book so far... I figger i've gotta
get this.
Actually, i did a search right after you mentioned it, found this URL,
and ordered it...
http://www.cheap-cds.com/surf/disps/154270
I assume the Ike and Tina cut is NOT the original "A Fool in Love"...
maybe a knockoff?
I wonder if the "Lukas Lollipop" moniker was an allusion to Solomon's
concession business?
--
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Paul
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Joe McNamara
With Me Baby" by the impossibly talented Lorraine Ellison
Joe McNamara
Different toon, yer eyes played a trick on you. It's "A Fool For Fool," and Ike
produced it and I assume played the galloping Fender on it.
I wonder if the "Lukas Lollipop" moniker was an allusion to Solomon's
concession business?<<
That's one of the greatest stories I've ever heard. This toon sounds like
Burke, is written by Burke, but Bishop Burke has denied that it's him. There's
more in the liner notes, I don't want to spoil it.
I saw King Solomon last year at The Great American Music Hall and he's still
got everything he ever had (and then some) vocally. He's kinda too big to walk
or stand much, so, as befitting "The King of Rock and Soul" he performed most
of the night seated his throne, surrounded by his 11 piece band, which included
a blonde supermodel harpist -not the spit-drippin', three dollar Hohner kinda
harp, a real freakin harp onstage with the B-3 (played by the blind organist
from Bishop Burke's church, natcherly), a real piano, 4 horns and bbass, drums
&guitar. There was a 5th horn player who doubled as Burkes valet, patting his
huge Milk Dud head dry of sweat and supplying Solomon with and endless stream
of long stemmed red roses which he distributed to the women in the audience.
Astounding what he can put across sitting down - he's one of the greatest
entertainers I've ever seen, with only the Rev. Al Green topping him, and Green
can move. A tie in the chops department, with Burke getting the nod for
"selling" the song and spontaneity.
I happened by the teevee and looks like Burke may be performing tomorrow night
on Bravo @ 9pm.
Ain't cheap-cds.com great? I find a lotta stuff there.
Best
Joe
Dick Thaxter
> "Joe McNamara" <jom...@aol.com> wrote in message <snip>
>
>>The late David Ruffin's my favorite male singer who isn't Otis, Al Green,
>
> Sam
>
>>Cooke, Solomon Burke, Johnny Taylor, James Carr or O.V. Wright. They're
>
> all my
>
>>favorite male singer too*.
>>
>>Joe
>
>
> Joe, Joe, Joe...you forgot Levi Stubbs!
>
> EM
>
And how about Jackie Wilson?
Dick Thaxter
elmcmeen
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Absolutely. You should hear his version of Danny Boy--mind-blowing.
EM
>
paul asbell
That WAS an oversight. maybe we're ALL smokin' a bit... ;-)
Paul
paul asbell
Joe McNamara wrote:
>I wonder if the "Lukas Lollipop" moniker was an allusion to Solomon's
>concession business?<<
>
>That's one of the greatest stories I've ever heard. This toon sounds like
>Burke, is written by Burke, but Bishop Burke has denied that it's him. There's
>more in the liner notes, I don't want to spoil it.
>I saw King Solomon last year at The Great American Music Hall and he's still
>got everything he ever had (and then some) vocally. He's kinda too big to walk
>or stand much, so, as befitting "The King of Rock and Soul" he performed most
>of the night seated his throne, surrounded by his 11 piece band, which included
>a blonde supermodel harpist -not the spit-drippin', three dollar Hohner kinda
>harp, a real freakin harp onstage with the B-3 (played by the blind organist
>from Bishop Burke's church, natcherly), a real piano, 4 horns and bbass, drums
>&guitar. There was a 5th horn player who doubled as Burkes valet, patting his
>huge Milk Dud head dry of sweat and supplying Solomon with and endless stream
>of long stemmed red roses which he distributed to the women in the audience.
>Astounding what he can put across sitting down - he's one of the greatest
>entertainers I've ever seen, with only the Rev. Al Green topping him, and Green
>can move. A tie in the chops department, with Burke getting the nod for
>"selling" the song and spontaneity.
>
Sounds great... wish I had caught it. I thought he sounded quite good on
Derek Truck's CD a while back.
>I happened by the teevee and looks like Burke may be performing tomorrow night
>on Bravo @ 9pm.
>
Gotta check that show... even if it IS my birthday!
>
>
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Best regards
Paul
Paul Asbell
pas...@paulasbell.com
www.paulasbell.com
John Sorell
I can't believe the Great American Music Hall is still around! I
attended performances there in the early '70s.
John
John Jones
> By the way, thank you for teaching me a new word: oeuvre.
>
> Tom
>
I saw a cable-tv special on Willie Nelson sometime ago in which Kinky
Friedman made some comment about Willie's oeuvre, to which Willie
responded something like "Will it get infected if I scratch it?"
John
Joe McNamara
Me too. Lee Brenkman is still the FOH engineer for prime shows, 30+ years. He's
starting to get to know the room now.
Joe
Joe McNamara
Paul
>><BR><BR>
Legend has it that he was singin "Lonely Teardrops", at the line "My heart is
cryin - cryin" when he was stricken on stage at the Latin Casino*. For fact, no
one went to his aid for quite a while because it was assumed that his drop to
the floor was part of the show. A terribly sad end, his last 9 years spent in a
vegatative state. My EXTREME bad.
My ommision of the one guy who 2/3 the people I named would prolly call THEIR
favorite male singer is inexcusable, and I hereby withdraw from this group, nay
the entire innernet, in my suburban white dood shame.
But before I go, a shout out to one of the few guys who could keep up with
Wilson in the moves catagory, and a man who developed an instantly identifiable
voice - Mr. Joe Tex.
All the other Favorite Male singers I forgot to mention included:
Pickett (what was I thinking?) Ray FREAKING Charles - what kinda bullshit list
are you running McNamara, without Ray Charles? Roy Orbison? "Crying" not good
enough for you, Mr. Wannabe? And what's with los Hermanos Everly mentioned
only as writers? No Lloyd Price, are you DEAF? Bobby Patterson, William Bell,
The Fantastic Johnny C? You mention The Fantasctic Johnny "C"? and you don't
give it up for Calvin White of "C and The Shells? Are you gonna tell me that
"You Are The Circus" isn't as great a performance as Joe Hinton's "Funny"? Any
list that excludes James & Bobby Purify is one I don't want to read! You moron,
you left off both Clarence Carter AND Percy Sledge. Whatsamatter with Joe
Simon, little Joey? Clyde McPhatter, Ben E. King, Rudy Lewis and Johnny Moore-
got something against The Drifters, who produced almost as many frontmen as The
Soul Stirrers. Speakina Soul Stirrers, Lou Rawls ain't cool enough for your
cockamamie list?
Ooooh, Smokey Robinson not good enough for us, eh? Forget it, your not worth
talking to and I'm killfileing you as of this moment. Never darken my virtual
towels again.
paul asbell
John Jones wrote:
>
>
>I saw a cable-tv special on Willie Nelson sometime ago in which Kinky
>Friedman made some comment about Willie's oeuvre, to which Willie
>responded something like "Will it get infected if I scratch it?"
>
>
>
>
Only if you scratch it, but don't declare it to the IRS... ;-)
--
Best regards
Paul
paul asbell
Joe McNamara wrote:
>...
>
> Forget it, your not worth
>talking to and I'm killfileing you as of this moment. Never darken my virtual
>towels again.
>
>
>
Ahhhh, don't take it so hard, Joe. I'm sure, back when you were a
YOUNGER man (like that little dig?) little brainfarts wouldn't happen as
much... but hey, we're all much older and wiser now... right?... ;-)
Actually, i figured that Percy Sledge was a simple omission, and Jackie
Wilson escaped all of us somehow, but when I thought to myself "How come
Joe left out Pickett?", I figured (because of MY own prejudices) that
maybe because he stole SO much from Junius Cheeks without giving credit,
maybe that put him down a notch.... but, see, maybe that's just ME!
But Ray Charles... I mean, when you're accepting an Academy Award, you
thank your producer, your manager, the cast, the wife and family, yadda,
yadda, but how many people thank GOD?... (unless, of course, you're a
rap/urban artist, in which you ALWAYS do... I've always wondered if
main-street white middle america reflects on what that's about)...
point being... Ray is, well, he's RAY CHARLES... he goes without
saying... he's the ne plus ultra, the sine qua non, the Gott in Himmel,
the... (can I get an amen..)... the unmoving mover, the... well, you
know what I mean.
Don't worry about forgetting brother ray... we all knew what you meant...
--
Best regards
Paul
Paul Asbell