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John Sorell

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Dec 31, 2009, 3:30:52 PM12/31/09
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What are you working of for next year? I'm working on a Joplin rag (Solace)
that I've started and stopped working on for the last eight or so years. I
made a personal commitment to finally get it worked up.

I'm also working on a fingerstyle arrangement of Waltz for Debbie by Bill
Evans.

John

Geezer51

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Dec 31, 2009, 3:34:24 PM12/31/09
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"John Sorell" <j.sorel...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I'm working on just being able to play.
Got diagnosed and I'm trying all the therapy possible in order to avoid
surgery.

I'm gettin' too old to feel this old.
Geezer


Geezer51

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"Geezer51" <geez...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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Uhhhhh, got diagnosed with Carpal tunnel syndrome.

And my short term memory's not what it used to be.

Did I mention that my short term memory's not what it used to be?

Jenn

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Dec 31, 2009, 3:44:09 PM12/31/09
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In article <Xns9CF27F4B75804...@130.133.4.10>,
John Sorell <j.sorel...@comcast.net> wrote:

I plan on writing a lot (I have a rag almost finished in my head, for
example), continuing Larry's Matilda, Laurence Juber's arrangement of
Rain.... mostly just getting better on the instrument.

John Sorell

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Dec 31, 2009, 3:46:03 PM12/31/09
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"Geezer51" <geez...@somewhere.net> wrote in
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It's not for sissies (getting old). Good luck with the therapy. I seem to
have hedged it off. Now If I can keep it at bay....

John

John Sorell

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Dec 31, 2009, 3:48:58 PM12/31/09
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Jenn <jennconduct...@mac.com> wrote in
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Is your rag for solo guitar? I'd love to see it when you are finished. I
kind of specialize in playing ragtime. If I get a couple more under my
belt I may have enough for a vanity pressing.

John

John

Jenn

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Dec 31, 2009, 4:19:49 PM12/31/09
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In article <Xns9CF2825D4AA36...@130.133.4.10>,
John Sorell <j.sorel...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Jenn <jennconduct...@mac.com> wrote in
> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS...@news.eternal-september.
> org:
>
> > In article <Xns9CF27F4B75804...@130.133.4.10>,
> > John Sorell <j.sorel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> What are you working of for next year? I'm working on a Joplin rag
> >> (Solace) that I've started and stopped working on for the last eight
> >> or so years. I made a personal commitment to finally get it worked
> >> up.
> >>
> >> I'm also working on a fingerstyle arrangement of Waltz for Debbie by
> >> Bill Evans.
> >>
> >> John
> >
> > I plan on writing a lot (I have a rag almost finished in my head, for
> > example), continuing Larry's Matilda, Laurence Juber's arrangement of
> > Rain.... mostly just getting better on the instrument.
> >
>
> Is your rag for solo guitar?

Yep

>I'd love to see it when you are finished. I
> kind of specialize in playing ragtime. If I get a couple more under my
> belt I may have enough for a vanity pressing.

Cool!

I also left off my list that I want to learn Todd Hallawell's Leola Kay.
A neat tune, I think.
>
> John
>
> John

Misifus

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Dec 31, 2009, 4:35:22 PM12/31/09
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I've got the germ of an idea for a new song. This one would be
geographic, of sorts. There's no way it'll be done in time for the New
Years Day Bjorkman.

-Raf

--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

Misifus

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Dec 31, 2009, 5:02:50 PM12/31/09
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Is that "Rain" the one that Jose Feliciano does? A friend gave me a new
CD that had that on it. I hadn't thought abut the tune in years, but
it's quite good.

John Sorell

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Dec 31, 2009, 5:04:27 PM12/31/09
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Misifus <rafse...@att.net> wrote in
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> John Sorell wrote:
>> What are you working of for next year? I'm working on a Joplin rag
>> (Solace) that I've started and stopped working on for the last eight
>> or so years. I made a personal commitment to finally get it worked
>> up.
>>
>> I'm also working on a fingerstyle arrangement of Waltz for Debbie by
>> Bill Evans.
>>
>> John
>
>
> I've got the germ of an idea for a new song. This one would be
> geographic, of sorts. There's no way it'll be done in time for the
> New Years Day Bjorkman.
>
> -Raf
>

You could title it "H1N1"...or maybe it's not that kind of germ.

I'd like to make one of the Bjorkman's someday.

John

Jenn

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Dec 31, 2009, 5:09:04 PM12/31/09
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In article <7q4lcb...@mid.individual.net>,
Misifus <rafse...@att.net> wrote:

> Jenn wrote:
> > In article <Xns9CF27F4B75804...@130.133.4.10>,
> > John Sorell <j.sorel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> What are you working of for next year? I'm working on a Joplin rag
> >> (Solace)
> >> that I've started and stopped working on for the last eight or so years. I
> >> made a personal commitment to finally get it worked up.
> >>
> >> I'm also working on a fingerstyle arrangement of Waltz for Debbie by Bill
> >> Evans.
> >>
> >> John
> >
> > I plan on writing a lot (I have a rag almost finished in my head, for
> > example), continuing Larry's Matilda, Laurence Juber's arrangement of
> > Rain.... mostly just getting better on the instrument.
>
>
> Is that "Rain" the one that Jose Feliciano does? A friend gave me a new
> CD that had that on it. I hadn't thought abut the tune in years, but
> it's quite good.
>
> -Raf

No, it's a Beatles cover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyQqXZ_cEQc

Mike Brown

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Dec 31, 2009, 7:03:01 PM12/31/09
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John Sorell wrote:

Just trying to clean up my "style" with all my old stuff and, at the
moment having another unsuccessful go (the most recent of many) at
"Strange Fruit".

MJRB

Mike Brown

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Dec 31, 2009, 7:07:13 PM12/31/09
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Geezer51 wrote:

My carpal tunnel surgery (both hands at once a couple of years ago) has
been a great success. Just one tiny incision in the crease of the wrist
that you have to search for to see. No more trouble, just the arthritis now.

The seventeen year old inside me keeps asking why he has to cart this
aging carcass around.

MJRB

MJRB

Misifus

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Dec 31, 2009, 7:07:53 PM12/31/09
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Knowing that it was an LJ tune, I should have guessed it would be a
beatles number.

Peter Huggins

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Dec 31, 2009, 11:20:34 PM12/31/09
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Same as last year: work on perfecting "Maria Elena" and try to finish
"The Nick Lucas Method For Plectrum Guitar, Vol. I". Grin

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Sean

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Dec 31, 2009, 11:35:10 PM12/31/09
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I resolve to finally get "Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby?" up to
public performance level.

Also "Route 66."

Sean

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Dec 31, 2009, 11:35:44 PM12/31/09
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Huh? Can you speak up?

Shy Picker

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Jan 1, 2010, 12:17:17 AM1/1/10
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On Dec 31 2009, 3:30 pm, John Sorell <j.sorellREM...@comcast.net>
wrote:

First thing I want to do is remodel the practice/recording room.

I want to try to put together a better practice regimen not just for
learning new material but keeping strong on songs I already know. When
I start learning a new song, I get out of practice on older material
fast.

I need to network more and get to know more of the local musicians.
I've been out of the loop a long time. I might start attending the
monthly meetings of the Nashville Songwriter's Association over in
Kalamazoo if don't wind up working nights again.

Oh, songs? I want to learn a couple of Chris Smither songs. I also
need to try to finish a few originals I have started. And I want to
learn a few more old Bluegrass classics.

David

Dwight

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Jan 1, 2010, 1:58:21 AM1/1/10
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Truthfully what I want to work on is learning how to put all I've
learned into playing the guitar better on at least one song. What I want
to do is make that one song one of mine. Next year at this time I want
to be able to say I've finally completed a song from beginning to end
and be able to share it with everyone here and be proud of it, no excuses.

Dwight (hope everyone has a happy and healthy New Year in 2010, no
exceptions)

gregz

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Jan 1, 2010, 9:39:28 AM1/1/10
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Working on acoustic Midnight Rider, Allman Bros. Trying to get all the
leads and fill so the single note stuff is minimal.

Z

LA

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Jan 1, 2010, 9:57:10 AM1/1/10
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I'm thinking about remixing one of Pattis' tunes...' Tim Time' loops
with hip-hop beats and accordion ....Wow!


LA

John Sorell

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Jan 1, 2010, 10:42:11 AM1/1/10
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Sean <se...@fakemail.con> wrote in news:2Ye%m.58093$Db2.26427@edtnps83:

That's a fun tune. I used to do it in the trio I played with. We took it
pretty fast. We also did Route 66...another fun tune.

John

John Sorell

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Jan 1, 2010, 10:50:42 AM1/1/10
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Are you reproducing the outrageous vibrato that Nato Lima used in his
memorable recording from the 60s? He died a couple months ago. A friend
of mine studied with him for a while.

John

guitar...@webtv.net (Peter Huggins) wrote in
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> Same as last year: work on perfecting "Maria Elena" and try to finish
> "The Nick Lucas Method For Plectrum Guitar, Vol. I". Grin
>
> if mail to this address bounces, please forward to :
> guitarmaniax 'at' msn.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ---- " I`d dance with you Maria, but my hands are on fire " - Bob

Robert Harding

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Jan 1, 2010, 11:12:02 AM1/1/10
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my sound

hank alrich

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Jan 1, 2010, 11:19:02 AM1/1/10
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Robert Harding <rguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> my sound

How anachronistical. Nowadaze it's all about your look. Get with the
program!

--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
http://www.armadillomusicproductions.com/CarryMeHome.html
http://hankalrich.com/

John Sorell

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walk...@nv.net (hank alrich) wrote in news:1jbmxxg.cj5e0qp76gwwN%
walk...@nv.net:

> Robert Harding <rguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> my sound
>
> How anachronistical. Nowadaze it's all about your look. Get with the
> program!
>

He's got a funky hat for that.

John

Cliff

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Jan 1, 2010, 12:24:33 PM1/1/10
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On Dec 31 2009, 8:30 pm, John Sorell <j.sorellREM...@comcast.net>

wrote:
> What are you working of for next year? I'm working on a Joplin rag (Solace)
> that I've started and stopped working on for the last eight or so years. I
> made a personal commitment to finally get it worked up.
>
> I'm also working on a fingerstyle arrangement of Waltz for Debbie by Bill
> Evans.
>
> John

I'm learning 'Airmail Special' by Jim & Jesse, though i don't have
their version.
Nothing too challenging. Just wish i had a partner who could pick the
mando parts and sing harmony.

c.

John Sorell

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Cliff <clif...@ntlworld.com> wrote in
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I'd like to find a female singer to partner with on some 50's standards.

Chief Noda had a nice thing going with a female partner a few years ago.
I've got a CD from one of thier venues.

John

Tom from Texas

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Jan 1, 2010, 12:59:15 PM1/1/10
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I'm hoping to finally work out my arrangement of "Take Five". It may be
"Take Six and make it Irish".

--
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(The Tom Risner Fund for Deserving North Texas Guitarplayers is not liable
for any slander, hurt feelings, pointless moaning, or achy-breaky heartache
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Peter Huggins

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<<< From: j.sorel...@comcast.net (John Sorell)
<<< Are you reproducing the outrageous vibrato that Nato Lima used in
his memorable recording from the 60s? He died a couple months ago. A
friend of mine studied with him for a while.
John >>>
<<< guitar...@webtv.net (Peter Huggins) wrote in
news:19436-4B3D...@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net:
<<< Same as last year: work on perfecting "Maria Elena" and try to
finish "The Nick Lucas Method For Plectrum Guitar, Vol. I". Grin >>>

Thanks for the tip John, and Happy New Year to you. You must mean
Natalicio Moreyra Lima of the Brazilian duo Los Indios Tabajaras. For
many, that version would be the definitive one. I have the RCA Victor LP
from 1963. Mostly I've been influenced by the Ry Cooder and Roy Smeck
versions. And Nick's incredible flatpicking technique of course.... if
Nick ever made a recording of "Maria Elena" I am not aware of it.
Los Indios Tabajaras version was truly great as well, even if I have to
google their name to remember how to spell it correctly. . . hmmm, over
twenty different Tab arrangements online. Guess I'd better get working

John Sorell

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guitar...@webtv.net (Peter Huggins) wrote in
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> <<< From: j.sorel...@comcast.net (John�Sorell)
> <<< Are you reproducing the outrageous vibrato that Nato Lima used in
> his memorable recording from the 60s? He died a couple months ago. A
> friend of mine studied with him for a while.
> John >>>
> <<< guitar...@webtv.net (Peter Huggins) wrote in
> news:19436-4B3D...@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net:
> <<< Same as last year: work on perfecting "Maria Elena" and try to
> finish "The Nick Lucas Method For Plectrum Guitar, Vol. I". Grin >>>
>
> Thanks for the tip John, and Happy New Year to you. You must mean
> Natalicio Moreyra Lima of the Brazilian duo Los Indios Tabajaras. For
> many, that version would be the definitive one. I have the RCA Victor
> LP from 1963. Mostly I've been influenced by the Ry Cooder and Roy
> Smeck versions. And Nick's incredible flatpicking technique of
> course.... if Nick ever made a recording of "Maria Elena" I am not
> aware of it. Los Indios Tabajaras version was truly great as well,
> even if I have to google their name to remember how to spell it
> correctly. . . hmmm, over twenty different Tab arrangements online.
> Guess I'd better get working

Happy New Year to you also, Peter.

I haven't heard Ry Cooder's version. Does he use a slide?

John

Peter Huggins

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Jan 1, 2010, 5:13:36 PM1/1/10
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<<< I haven't heard Ry Cooder's version. Does he use a slide?
John >>>

Nope. Originally it was on the "Boomer's Story" album. There is a live
version sometimes available on you tube where Ry plays a gut string
guitar, solos by Flaco Jimenez on the accordion and by the trombone
player, George Bohannon (Ry once said he learned the tune from an old
Bunk Johnson record, Bunk played 'bone so it makes sense).

The whole concert was filmed by Les Blank (at the Catalyst in Santa
Cruz, CA. in 1987) and released only on laserdisc in Japan. For some
reason, Ry would never allow this great show to be re-released in the US
or anywhere else, so subsequently it has been bootlegged extensively. .
.

John Sorell

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guitar...@webtv.net (Peter Huggins) wrote in
news:4408-4B3E...@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net:

> <<< I haven't heard Ry Cooder's version. Does he use a slide?
> John >>>
>
> Nope. Originally it was on the "Boomer's Story" album. There is a live
> version sometimes available on you tube where Ry plays a gut string
> guitar, solos by Flaco Jimenez on the accordion and by the trombone
> player, George Bohannon (Ry once said he learned the tune from an old
> Bunk Johnson record, Bunk played 'bone so it makes sense).
>
> The whole concert was filmed by Les Blank (at the Catalyst in Santa
> Cruz, CA. in 1987) and released only on laserdisc in Japan. For some
> reason, Ry would never allow this great show to be re-released in the
> US or anywhere else, so subsequently it has been bootlegged
> extensively. . .
>

Interesting! I'd like to hear it. I had several Ry Cooder LPs way back
when. Each was totally different. He's one of the best all around
musicians I've heard.

John

DanielleOM

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Jan 1, 2010, 9:28:08 PM1/1/10
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"John Sorell" <j.sorel...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9CF27F4B75804...@130.133.4.10...
> What are you working of for next year? I'm working on a Joplin rag
> (Solace)
> that I've started and stopped working on for the last eight or so years. I
> made a personal commitment to finally get it worked up.
>
> I'm also working on a fingerstyle arrangement of Waltz for Debbie by Bill
> Evans.
>
> John

Strange, I am trying to get the following tunes etched in my memory. I did
not choose any of these. In each case someone else suggested these would be
good tunes for me. I suspect they were right.

For All We Know
At Last
I'm Gonna Sit Right Down and Write Myself a Letter PS I love the
rhythm I hear on the Willie Nelson CD, I have with this tune on it. Not
sure that's Willie playing the guitar or not. Someone was really getting a
great archtop rythm sound.


Danielle

No Busking

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Jan 2, 2010, 8:22:35 PM1/2/10
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On Dec 31 2009, 3:30 pm, John Sorell <j.sorellREM...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> What are you working of for next year? I'm working on a Joplin rag (Solace)
> that I've started and stopped working on for the last eight or so years. I
> made a personal commitment to finally get it worked up.
>
> I'm also working on a fingerstyle arrangement of Waltz for Debbie by Bill
> Evans.
>
> John

I'm working on trying to lose some of the belly that is pushing the
guitar neck further and further away.

- Mike

persisten...@yahoo.com

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Jan 2, 2010, 11:03:08 PM1/2/10
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Yurp...me too. On the wagon from Monday...have diezapam, will sleep..

Pete (nighty night!)

Steve Daniels

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On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:22:35 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
something compelled No Busking <goosecr...@gmail.com>, to
say:

> I'm working on trying to lose some of the belly that is pushing the
> guitar neck further and further away.


Maybe you could get something like a reverse Ovation.

Dorgan

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"No Busking" <goosecr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> - Mike

Buy a longer strap.

dorgan


persisten...@yahoo.com

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On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:03:08 -0800, Steve Daniels <sdan...@gorge.net>
wrote:

Oh maan........that would sell by the shitload!

Pete

Tom from Texas

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"Steve Daniels" <sdan...@gorge.net> wrote in message
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Would a reverse Ovation actually have good tone?

LA

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On Jan 3, 1:29 pm, "Tom from Texas" <trisne...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Steve Daniels" <sdani...@gorge.net> wrote in message

>
> news:5n50k5lpaeavuukb1...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:22:35 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
> > something compelled No Busking <goosecreekm...@gmail.com>, to

> > say:
>
> >>     I'm working on trying to lose some of the belly that is pushing the
> >>     guitar neck further and further away.
>
> > Maybe you could get something like a reverse Ovation.
>
> Would a reverse Ovation actually have good tone?


Yeah, but then you'd have a bad neck.

LA

Mike Brown

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Tom from Texas wrote:

> "Steve Daniels" <sdan...@gorge.net> wrote in message
> news:5n50k5lpaeavuukb1...@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:22:35 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
>>something compelled No Busking <goosecr...@gmail.com>, to
>>say:
>>
>>
>>> I'm working on trying to lose some of the belly that is pushing the
>>> guitar neck further and further away.
>>
>>
>>Maybe you could get something like a reverse Ovation.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Would a reverse Ovation actually have good tone?

It'd have to be an improvement.

MJRB

No Busking

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> >I'm working on trying to lose some of the belly that is pushing the
> >guitar neck further and further away.
> > - Mike
>
> Buy a longer strap.
>
> dorgan

It's the reach of my arms that's the problem.

Mike

Norman Draper

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Jan 7, 2010, 12:57:33 PM1/7/10
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I'm working on several songs from Guy Clark's new album.

I have never made resolutions for the new year, but that changed this
time around. There are some things I want to change and verbalizing
them, even to myself, seems to be an effective way of pushing them
along.

Working out is one of them. I recently spoke to a friend about the
meds he's taking for high blood pressure and the others he takes to
counteract the side-effects of the be meds. He takes about twelve in
all. It's a viscious cycle I want to avoid. I take no prescreption
drugs and want to keep it that way.

But reading the posts here..... I am NOT getting preachy.. well,
trying not to... LOL! Excercise (a much hated word in the US) is an
amazingly simple answer to many of our physical ills. Here's a brief,
much-edited list I found of the benefits of working out:

Are you still making excuses for not exercising? Do you continue to
ignore the fact that walking (or running, biking, aerobics, or
swimming) is good for you? What benefits do you normally equate with
regular workouts? Weight loss? Muscle toning? Breathing fresh air? An
improved cardiovascular system?

Did you know that exercise also helps you maintain a better outlook on
life, makes you smarter, and keeps you from catching a cold? Would you
reconsider going out and working up a sweat? Regular exercise
increases stamina. Working out makes you smarter. Physical activity
promotes a healthier lifestyle. You sleep better when exercise is part
of your day. Exercise wards off illness.
Physical activity is a mood elevator.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0826/is_3_19/ai_102553597/

My goal is to be able to run five miles comfortably four or five days
a week. I also have to start some weight trainging, something I
haven't done for years. Anything else I want as a result of all this
will be pretty much automatic... lower blood pressure (mine isn't
high, but I want it lower), weight loss, and other stuff.

By the way, those of you who have met Kate have seen an example of all
this. She's in the gym twice a day. She has diabetes and excercise
controls it to the point that she takes no meds. The deal really does
work that way with all sorts of physical ills.

Sermon over!!

Oh... One more thing. I have a sign over my door that says "Go For A
Run, You Fat Fuck". So far, it's working!


Norman (On My Way For A Run NOW!) Draper


Mike Brown

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Just a warning Norm. Both running and weight training Can (not does)
have negative effects too, mainly joint damage (excess wear).

I am a good example of this. As an ex racing and compulsive touring
cyclist (I covered more than 28,000 miles in a year on one occasion) I
have some problems that I believe to be related to that. Not that I'd
have missed the riding for anything.

I have had both hips replaced, have bad arthritis in the main joints of
both thumbs (and in some finger joints, but that can't be blamed on the
bike), and have deterioration in my neck joints (the head position
needed on a racing bike).

I also know a couple of ex runners who have serious knee and ankle problems.

It doesn't happen to everybody, but it is a possibility.

MJRB

Fred Pierce

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Running down the hills here, is, of course, tricky - going easy on the
knees etc. In the summer though, at the bottom of the hill, is the
Atlantic House and the Village Dog. Running up the hill after a "rest
stop" at either of those places is a real challenge.

Seriously though - couldn't agree more (with the cautions as noted by
Mike). I take some meds but would have been much worse but for the
workouts. Keeping HDL up in particular - I can almost predict the
numbers based on how much I've been doing or skipping workouts. Much
easier up here with the cool weather - makes me *want* to move around.

fdp

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cobscookbaymusic.com
Easternmost Fred in the U.S.

Norman Draper

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Mike and Fred,

I'm well aware of the dangers.... Mike, that is an ASTONISHING number
of miles!!

I was a decent competitive runnr. I ran over 100 miles a week three
time during the twenty years I was pretty serious about it. I ran
about fifty marathons, from fairly well to grindingly slow. I will
never, ever do another. My goal is to shuffle down the Boardwalk at a
moderate pace and watch the world slip by.

Hills.... Other than a serious blunder this past Thanksgiving morning
in Berwick, PA, I haven't run hills in ages. I hope to never run up
another, and hope even more to never run down one. My goal is
fitness, not speed. Fred, WALK down those hills!!

Hopefully, I'll get another twenty years out of my legs ( I have no
serious problems... yet!) By then I'll be ready to cash in my chips
and send Dorgan that guitar he lusts after. :-)

Mike.... You said, "Not that I'd have missed the riding for
anything." I couldn't agree with you more. The amazing degree joy,
the friends I met and still cherish, the thrill of just physically
wringing myself out completely.... If the doctors told me that
running had shortened my life by ten years, I'd look them in the eye
and say it was well worth it.

"The goal is not to arrive at the end with a perfectly preserved and
pristine body but to slide in sideways, beat up, totally worn out and
screaming.. WOW.. what a ride!"


Norman (That Pretty Much Sums It Up!) Draper

Mike Brown

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>
> "The goal is not to arrive at the end with a perfectly preserved and
> pristine body but to slide in sideways, beat up, totally worn out and
> screaming.. WOW.. what a ride!"
>
>
> Norman (That Pretty Much Sums It Up!) Draper
>

Right on the mark.

MJRB

Tom Reese

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My suggestion is to buy some golf clubs and a carry bag and get out
and play. Golf courses are beautiful places to take walks, smacking
the hell out of a golf ball is great therapy (especially when it goes
straight) and you'll burn calories by the banana boat.

Tom (needing to renew my membership) Reese

Misifus

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No

>
> Hopefully, I'll get another twenty years out of my legs ( I have no
> serious problems... yet!) By then I'll be ready to cash in my chips
> and send Dorgan that guitar he lusts after. :-)
>

Norm, you might want to start taking some Chondroitin with Glucosamine
Sulfate. It's over the counter and my orthopedist says taking it will
prevent problems with your cartilage.

-Raf

--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

Norman Draper

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Raf,

At this point Advil really does an amazing job. I take it maybe twice
a week.

Here's some information on the other stuff"


The journal of my medical specialty, American Family Physician,
recently published an article about the use of dietary supplements in
osteoarthritis. They gave a “B” evidence rating to both glucosamine
and chondroitin. This means there is inconsistent or limited-quality
patient-oriented evidence. They recommended the use of glucosamine
sulfate, saying, “Overall, the evidence supports the use of
glucosamine sulfate for modestly reducing osteoarthritis symptoms and
possibly slowing disease progression.” They did not exactly recommend
chondroitin, although they said it “may provide modest benefit for
some patients.”

Here's the article: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=27

I'm a big believer in the march of science. I'm waiting for the
introduction oh the New Body Pill.... :-)


Norman (Still Pretty Happy With The Old One) Draper

Norman Draper

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Tom,

It's a long story... I have clubs, but the friend I was going to golf
with went to that big putting green in the sky.....

One of these days I'm going to pick them up and conquer the links,
much the same way I conquered the Boston Marathon....

Right.........


Norman (NOT The Conquerer) Draper

Tom Reese

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my suggestion:

get some basic instruction from someone (grip etc) and spend a little
time at the driving range before you go to a course.

there's a LOT of rhythm and tempo in a golf swing and a long list of
musicians who are golf fanatics including Willie Nelson and Vince
Gill.

Fred Pierce

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Running Music Makers Argument Group? Glucosamine S seems to work for
me, but I often find myself thinking of supplements as similar to
Elephant Repellant. Must work - I don't see any elephants, and I'm
afraid to stop taking the stuff in case there really are elephants
around.

On hills - yeah, running downhill is a bad idea, though I'm not
putting as many lbs/sqrinch as most. Uphill though (so I've read) just
gives you a better workout in a shorter time. Most I've ever run
though is a mile and a half. I've also read that much more than that
is overkill. Doing it for fun of course is what it is. As with most
things, variety is the thing to go for.

Of course, up here there's actual air to breathe. In MD, I'd start
feeling pretty good running a long and then get a nice blast of
monoxide - so much for the health benefits. I'd guess the brdwalk is
good though - french fry fumes won't hurt you much, will they?

Norman Draper

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Running (up) hills is a GREAT workout and really has an amazing
fitness/time-run ratio. Like anything, it can be easily over-done.
Are you saying that the most you've run is 1 1/2 miles, or is that
just on hills? I don't pay attention to distance, although it's
difficult not to. I was raised in the mileage-counting era.... These
days I run for time, about thirty minutes at this point.

French fry fumes have no effect at all; it's the cheesesteak aroma
that makes me want to stop.....

The air... Speaking about it invites a Copenhagen-style discussion,
and I will have no part in that! The environment is fine, the air is
clear, the oceans are pristine, and the polar bears are becoming world-
class swimmers! All is good!!!

And... Life is grand!


Norman (No Disputes Here!) Draper

Norman Draper

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I've been out on the course with His Willness.... Ever see him swing
a driver? Talk about needing lessons!! He can however, hit the ball
pretty damned well.

He had an interesting comment about the game. "It's just a little
white ball that just sits there. It doesn't move. You don't have to
chase it. WHY is it so hard to hit?"

He was asked when he would retire. His answer was, "I play guitar and
I play golf. Which one should I give up??"


Norman (I'm Changing My Name To Arnie) Draper

John Sorell

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Norman Draper <norman...@verizon.net> wrote in news:b7f78e7b-21c4-
486a-862d-1...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:

I suggest drinking heavily.

Joe Jordan

Misifus

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Jan 8, 2010, 4:34:24 PM1/8/10
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John Sorell wrote:
> Norman Draper <norman...@verizon.net> wrote in news:b7f78e7b-21c4-
> 486a-862d-1...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jan 8, 9:04 am, Misifus <rafseib...@att.net> wrote:
>>> No
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hopefully, I'll get another twenty years out of my legs ( I have no
>>>> serious problems... yet!) By then I'll be ready to cash in my chips
>>>> and send Dorgan that guitar he lusts after. :-)
>>> Norm, you might want to start taking some Chondroitin with Glucosamine
>>> Sulfate. It's over the counter and my orthopedist says taking it will
>>> prevent problems with your cartilage.
>>>
>>> -Raf
>>>
>>> --
>>> Misifus-
>>> Rafael Seibert
>>> Photos:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
>>> home:http://www.rafandsioux.com
>> Raf,
>>
>> At this point Advil really does an amazing job. I take it maybe twice
>> a week.
>>
>> Here's some information on the other stuff"
>>
>>
>> The journal of my medical specialty, American Family Physician,
>> recently published an article about the use of dietary supplements in
>> osteoarthritis. They gave a �B� evidence rating to both glucosamine

>> and chondroitin. This means there is inconsistent or limited-quality
>> patient-oriented evidence. They recommended the use of glucosamine
>> sulfate, saying, �Overall, the evidence supports the use of

>> glucosamine sulfate for modestly reducing osteoarthritis symptoms and
>> possibly slowing disease progression.� They did not exactly recommend
>> chondroitin, although they said it �may provide modest benefit for
>> some patients.�

>>
>> Here's the article: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=27
>>
>> I'm a big believer in the march of science. I'm waiting for the
>> introduction oh the New Body Pill.... :-)
>>
>>
>> Norman (Still Pretty Happy With The Old One) Draper
>>
>
> I suggest drinking heavily.
>
> Joe Jordan


Joe always has had the right attitude.

Fred Pierce

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...

Yeah - I think I went past 1.5 once or twice. Always hilly. There was
a long one that would often get the better of me and I'd have to drop
to a walk about 2/3 up it.

I just want to try snowshoing. No, I don't mean running in them.

I heard the bears were buying up the retired fishing boats. For
trolling.

Mike Brown

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Jan 8, 2010, 4:43:32 PM1/8/10
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Golf is a good walk ruined.

MJRB

Les Cargill

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Jan 8, 2010, 4:43:49 PM1/8/10
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Just change the last one to Greg.

--
les Cargill

Mike Brown

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Misifus wrote:

> No
>
>>
>> Hopefully, I'll get another twenty years out of my legs ( I have no
>> serious problems... yet!) By then I'll be ready to cash in my chips
>> and send Dorgan that guitar he lusts after. :-)
>>
>
> Norm, you might want to start taking some Chondroitin with Glucosamine
> Sulfate. It's over the counter and my orthopedist says taking it will
> prevent problems with your cartilage.
>
> -Raf
>

It didn't help me, and I took it for several years.

MJRB

Norman Draper

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Hmmmm....

Arnie Norman.....

Alegend is born!!


Norman (IV!!) Draper

Dorgan

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"Norman Draper" <norman...@verizon.net> wrote:

One of my favorite stories about seniors working out:

In this little town I grew up in, there was a little convenience store with
a a couple of gas pumps, a few groceries, a hell of a beer selection and
quite a wide choice of tobacco products.

The owner was an older guy who had run it for 40 years or more.
He was a big man, probably 6'4" and at least 300 lbs.

He was also a tough guy and the stories about his scrapping days were
legendary.
Everybody was intimidated by him, but I was young, stupid and cocky, so I'd
bust his balls.
He'd respond.

Once in a while, it was positive....


I went in there all the time as a youth and he really liked me because I
played halfway decent football and he loved football.
He gave me the benefit of his version of life's wisdom several times and
the guy was as funny and as wise as anyone I've ever met..

We became very good friends.

Everytime I went in there, he'd want to play some kind of game..something to
show how quick his reflexes were.
He was as quick as a cat with his hands.

The game we'd play:
You put your hands palm down on top of your opponents hands and try to move
them before he could slap your hands.
The old goat was quick.
I'd beat him once in a while, but he'd get me more often than not. And, the
old SOB hit hard!
I can't count how many times I left that store with hands redder than a beet
and still stinging from the beating he'd give me.

I really liked him a lot. I still miss him.

Fast forward a few years and he was getting really old, really fat and had
lost his edge completely.
But those eyes still had a light in them that could light up a room.

I walked in one night and noticed he had lost weight.

"Hey, Jess...you're looking good. You've lost some weight"...

"yep, I've been jogging"...


"JOGGING???"

"Yeah, that's what I said, you little pissant.

I've been jogging. I was really doing well and lost about 30lbs until that
son of a bitch I hired to run for me quit".


dorgan


Misifus

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I'll be frank. I think it helps me, but I'm not sure. My orthopedist
recommended it, and I have great confidence in him. However, I don't
always take it. Lately, I've been sick and I'm taking so much
medication for that, that I've cut back on none-essentials. It seems
that exercise is more effective than anything else, but it may be a
combination of exercise and Chondroitin/Glucosamine.

Unlike Norm, I take a handful of pills morning and night, and I'm mighty
glad to have them - they're keeping me alive.

Mike Brown

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I don't exactly exercise, but I'm pretty active mucking about with old
cars and motorbikes. Bending and stretching, and crawling underneath.

The same with my hands playing guitar, if I don't play every day my
hands stiffen up.

I find that the less I do the less I can do, so I try to keep at it.

MJRB

Misifus

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Yeah, I've got to keep active or I stiffen up, too. However, I overdid
it a bit at the gym a couple of months ago and my shoulder stayed sore.
I have found that a couple of months of (involuntary) rest have
allowed the shoulder to heal completely.

Between the weather and my health, I haven't been able work out, but I'm
looking forward to resuming. As usual, I'll have to ease back into it.

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