1974 Guild D50
madgamer
trying. I think there must be someone out there who wants a fine guitar
like this. It has no noticeable dings, scratches, dents or other marks.
It has a flat top, a straight neck low action, and very god sound. I am
the second owner the man who bought it new played it almost every day.
It has been in its OHC for several years in the possession of his son
who I bought it from. It required a luthier to reglue the bridge. In
all other respects this guitar is close to excellent except for the
first 5 frets show some wear after 30 years of use. I am asking $1200.
This is a bit over "book" value but this guitar is in very good
condition and I think this is a good price. I post this but have little
hope that I will find a buyer willing to take me up on this sale. I
feel if I can't get a good price for the D50 I will keep it. Email me
if interested.
Larry
Rick
Larry, you'll have a hard time getting $1200 for this guitar.
If it was Brazilian rosewood that would be one thing, but
Indian? C'mon, why would anyone pay $1200 for a
30-year old guitar with a reglued bridge, when a new one
is only a few hundred $ more?
Rick
LarryLarry2003
<<Larry, you'll have a hard time getting $1200 for this guitar. If it was
Brazilian rosewood that would be one thing, but
Indian? C'mon, why would anyone pay $1200 for a 30-year old guitar with a
reglued bridge, when a new one is only a few hundred $ more?>>
I have never heard this guitar (Guild D-50) Larry is selling, and I do not know
either Rick or Larry. However, a good friend, Michael, who now lives in Texas
has a collection of 19 high end acoustic guitars, mostly vintage Martins and
Gibsons with a few newer Collings, Santa Cruz, Taylor and Huss and Dalton
thrown in for good measure. In that collection there are 3 rosewood (he favors
mahogany) dreadnaughts - a Brazilian Santa Cruz Tony Rice, a Collings D-2H, and
a mid '70's Guild D-50.
Michael rates the Collings D-2H and the Guild D-50 as tops, and the Tony Rice
Brazilian a notch below these. I have heard and played his D-2H when he lived
in NJ, and it is super. I have not heard or played the D-50 or the TR. Just
going by his opinion, and I have a lot of faith in his evaluation of acoustic
guitars. So I would not brush off this '74' Guild D-50 too quickly.
My beater is a mid '70's Guild D-40. While not in the same league as my
Collings D-1, it blows away the Martin D-18 and one of my 2 Martin D-35's it
replaced, at a fraction of the price they were sold for.
Larry (another Larry).
Rick
I didn't mean to imply the D50 is a bad guitar, just that prices
on new ones aren't much more than what he's asking (I've seen
them starting at ~$1300), and the components are the exact
same (Indian rosewood, spruce top etc etc). Most people
would rather pay $1300 for a new guitar than $1200 for one
with a repaired bridge.
Rick
madgamer
you are right in what you state here. You must know that there are
certain things that a guitar can need done to it after a number of
years. Having a bridge come up is one such thing in this case it was
due not only to age but being in a HSC for a number of years with a set
of very heavy gage string tuned to standard pitch. The guitar was kept
humidified but not played. The bridge had not pulled up much and as you
know that the longer this goes on the worse it can get. In the case of
this D50 it was minimal. I also would point out that this bridge
problem happens a lot with 70's guild dreds. Because the D50 sounds
and plays so well and has no real marks or dings I feel it is worth more
than "book". I am willing to accept less than $1200 but not much. I
suspect that I will end up keeping it. I just thought that there might
be another person who would like to own a very nice old guild but I
guess not.
Larry
LarryLarry2003
<<Most people would rather pay $1300 for a new guitar than $1200 for one with a
repaired bridge.>>
Really??? Gee, I never paid much attention to whether the damned bridge had
been repaired or not. I evaluate the guitar as an instrument. Maybe I should
in the future.
I think most knowledgeable people would rather buy the best value that suits
their playing style and needs in their price range. Repaired bridge or not,
that may or may not be the new guitar.
In the comparison I referenced, the Guild D-50 (which happens to have had the
bridge replaced and a neck reset) blew away the $6000 newer Brazilian rosewood
guitar with the original bridge according to the owner of both. I guess this
is an exception to the rule though that a replaced bridge means the guitar is
bordering on worthless.
JD
Don't sweat it, Larry, people who don't understand what makes a guitar good
tend to be stuck in the automotive paradigm that new and no mileage= higher
value. New guitars take quite a while to get played in and a few trips to
the tech before they even start to reach their potential. If I could have
satisfied my lust for a wide necked cutaway OM with a used guitar, I'd have
gone for it in a heartbeat. $1200 for a 30 year old D-50 (a "real" Guild) in
the condition you describe would be a screamin' deal in my book. Let some
other bozo spend an extra $100 and an indeterminate number of years breaking
in a new guitar built by Fender. It's a no-brainer to me.
JD
John Youngblood
<jdb502...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I totally agree with you about the foolishness of the buying public
and the weird emphasis on new, unplayed instruments. It makes way more
sense to me that a 30 yr. old Guild would be more valuable, but I am
not the buying public, and that is who sets market pricing. I tried to
sell a beautiful sounding, nicely reconditioned, 70's D-40 a year ago
and no one was interested at just about any price. I resigned to using
it as a beater and its been a lot of jams with it and it often gets
complements which completes the irony...
Youngblood
Tivers
>and the weird emphasis on new, unplayed instruments. It makes way more
>sense to me that a 30 yr. old Guild would be more valuable, but I am
>not the buying public, and that is who sets market pricing.>>
I think the problem for most of us is not having access to, or confidence in, a
luthier with the talent to repair, and not injure, such an instrument. I've
bought quite a number of used or vintage guitars, and one needing repair is a
problem for me. What does it cost to reset a neck on an acoustic or reglue a
bridge or surface crack? I've never had it done.
ti
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JD
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>> I totally agree with you about the foolishness of the buying public
>> and the weird emphasis on new, unplayed instruments. It makes way
>> more
>> sense to me that a 30 yr. old Guild would be more valuable, but I am
>> not the buying public, and that is who sets market pricing.>>
>
> I think the problem for most of us is not having access to, or
> confidence in, a luthier with the talent to repair, and not injure,
> such an instrument. I've bought quite a number of used or vintage
> guitars, and one needing repair is a problem for me. What does it
> cost to reset a neck on an acoustic or reglue a bridge or surface
> crack? I've never had it done.
>
> ti
>
>
access to a good tech. I don't know any in Portland off the top of my head
but I'm sure Artichoke Music could refer one. If your business takes you
north, Cat Fox at Sound Guitar Repair in Ballard (206-783-7317) or John
Bentley in Everett are good at it. How much it costs depends on you. To
maximize the effect of a reset, a good refret (at least the first 4 frets on
a 'grasser's ax) is in order. Some folks cheap out at this point,
JD
Bill Chandler
brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
>Rick,
>you are right in what you state here. You must know that there are
>certain things that a guitar can need done to it after a number of
>years. Having a bridge come up is one such thing in this case it was
>due not only to age but being in a HSC for a number of years with a set
>of very heavy gage string tuned to standard pitch. The guitar was kept
>humidified but not played. The bridge had not pulled up much and as you
>know that the longer this goes on the worse it can get. In the case of
>this D50 it was minimal. I also would point out that this bridge
>problem happens a lot with 70's guild dreds. Because the D50 sounds
>and plays so well and has no real marks or dings I feel it is worth more
>than "book". I am willing to accept less than $1200 but not much. I
>suspect that I will end up keeping it. I just thought that there might
>be another person who would like to own a very nice old guild but I
>guess not.
>Larry
Hey, Larry...if I had $1200, I'd buy that D50 in a heartbeat...and I
wouldn't haggle a dime. Sounds like a sweetheart...those old Guilds
are magnificent instruments, in my experience.
Of course, I'll admit I'm kinda biased...
Bill (a brother of the Guild Guild) Chandler
-----
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madgamer
the time or the resources to keep let alone play more than 2 guitars.
In my book I would think it a shame to keep this guitar in its case and
only get it to play it once in a while. I think that any good player
would want to have it refreted so I would be willing to drop the price
to $1100. If I don't sell it I may bring it to TX5 if I manage to get
the money to get there in Oct 04.
madgamer
Larry
madgamer
It looks like it will be around and if I get to tx5 You can haggle with
me. Anyone who knows a little guitar history knows the D50 was
introduced to take on the martin D28,D18,D18 and I have not found a
martin that sounds as good as this Guild D50. I have not seen a large
number of these for sale. There have been a few on ebay including this
one. Old guilds sound good but will never reach the collector status of
some other brands but IMHO are bought and kept by players. So at least
you know why I am asking $1100-$1200.
Larry
JD
not playing it. My D-02 almost never comes out of the case but to sell it
for what the market would bear would be insane since I could never replace
it for what I'd get for it and when that one time a year comes around when
that's *the* ax you need you'll be kicking yourself for selling it. Don't
settle for chump change.
JD
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George W.
but never really "had it". I was selling it and the buyer pointed out
a minor finish problem so I took it to Martin. While looking it over
they decided to re-set the neck along with doing a complete refinish
of the body. There had always been a slight hump where the neck meets
the body. The guitar that came back three months later was a cannon.
By then the deal was done but I doubt I would have sold it if I had
known how good it could sound. I got a fair price but this was a
guitar that had had some major work done to it. For a couple of
hundred dollers more the buyer could have got a new model that may not
have sounded nearly as good.
I forget my point........
G.
Mike Rickard
> the time or the resources to keep let alone play more than 2 guitars.
> In my book I would think it a shame to keep this guitar in its case and
> only get it to play it once in a while. I think that any good player
> would want to have it refreted so I would be willing to drop the price
> to $1100. If I don't sell it I may bring it to TX5 if I manage to get
> the money to get there in Oct 04.
sell an excellent 70's all-original D-50 sunburst in this group for less
than $1000 and despite the alleged presence of a bunch of Guild guys here no
one even commented on it. I finally dumped it on eBay.
Mike
madgamer
Part of the reason I posted this was that I wanted to gage how it would
be received. There is a great deal of difference between market value
and appraised value. I am constantly reminded of the guitars that get
sold for the highest price are not always the best sounding. The point
you are trying to make is perhaps in the last sentence. I think I
really never intended to sell the D50 but I just wanted to see if there
was anyone who saw the real value in this type of guitar...well I guess
you live and learn.
Larry
Rick
> me. Anyone who knows a little guitar history knows the D50 was
> introduced to take on the martin D28,D18,D18 and I have not found a
> martin that sounds as good as this Guild D50.
Guild and Martin have distinctly different ideas of what "good"
means. Martin has never produced a guitar that can match the
booming bass and twangy treble of, say, a Guild F50R, while
Guild has never produced a guitar that can match the crystal
clear top end of a Martin D28. One has to get into Martin's
expensive dreadnaughts (D41 or higher) to even begin to
match Guild's low end.
Rick
Tivers
>Part of the reason I posted this was that I wanted to gage how it would
>be received. There is a great deal of difference between market value
>and appraised value. I am constantly reminded of the guitars that get
>sold for the highest price are not always the best sounding. The point
>you are trying to make is perhaps in the last sentence. I think I
>really never intended to sell the D50 but I just wanted to see if there
>was anyone who saw the real value in this type of guitar...well I guess
>you live and learn.
>Larry
>
Well, you're ahead of the game. Most of us have sold our best guitars already.
I was in the retail music business at a time when Paul Customs were changing
hands for $400, Martins for $600, D50s for the same kind of money, Mastertone
Banjos for $800, Strats for more than they bring new these days, Teles for next
to nothing, and very classy Japanese guitars (the "lawsuits") for $250. Jazz
boxes had almost no market at all. If I'd kept all those guitars, I could buy
Kuwait today.
Just bought a F65ce, used, of course, for about $1200. A new 3012 a month ago
for the same kind of money. If the F65 sounds as good as the 3012 does, I'll be
blissed out. But you start stringing these mid-tier purchases together and
you're talking about serious money.
Buying collector's guitars gets tricky, because fashions change. But like Ray
Charles has said, the only serious question is "What's it sound like?" And that
question can't be answered via the net. That's why you're having trouble
getting your price. Buyers can either "spray and pray" in the mid-range, like
I've been doing, selling off the purchases that just don't make the grade, or
you go to retail stores and play every Breedlove and Gallagher and Larivee you
can until you fall in love.
I got lucky with the 3012 and my D28. Don't know about the F65 until it get's
here. That's the risk.
Tivers
>It looks like it will be around and if I get to tx5 You can haggle with
>me. Anyone who knows a little guitar history knows the D50 was
>introduced to take on the martin D28,D18,D18 and I have not found a
>martin that sounds as good as this Guild D50.
I've got a D28 that I'll put up against your D50, winner take all. Who wants to
be on the judging committee? And who's the player? Need a good flatpicker.
madgamer
many guitars I found none better than my 1975 mossman great plains,
After getting a twisted neck repaired with out putting a new one on the
mossman had perfect intonation and great action and sound. As good as
it was I wanted a 1 of a kind, hademade,custom designed and so I had
Scott Baxendale of colfax guitar shop in Denver build me one. He gave me
$3000 in trade. this was late Aug. 03 and I sent him the mossman for a
down payment with some cash. I bought the D50 on ebay as a fill in till
the Baxendale was done. I thought I could sell it and get some of the
money it cost me back. It sounds good so I decided if I can't get what
its worth I will keep it unless I can find some one to pay my price(not
likely). Thanks for your insight.
Larry
Tivers
>it was I wanted a 1 of a kind, hademade,custom designed and so I had
>Scott Baxendale of colfax guitar shop in Denver build me one.
I've never owned a guitar of that class. Never paid more than $2000 for a
guitar--so my perspective is limited. I don't think I've even played a guitar
worth that much. So my D28 is the nicest guitar I've ever heard, by default.
But the Guild 3012 is the sweetest 12 I've ever heard--again, by default. Never
touched a Breedlove. A 6 and a 12 by Breedlove would have me selling all my
other guitars to pay for them. Or,,,anybody want to buy a complete digital
video studio???
Bill Chandler
brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
>Bull,
>It looks like it will be around and if I get to tx5 You can haggle with
>me. Anyone who knows a little guitar history knows the D50 was
>introduced to take on the martin D28,D18,D18 and I have not found a
>martin that sounds as good as this Guild D50. I have not seen a large
>number of these for sale. There have been a few on ebay including this
>one. Old guilds sound good but will never reach the collector status of
>some other brands but IMHO are bought and kept by players. So at least
>you know why I am asking $1100-$1200.
>Larry
I'll try not to take that personally...B-{)}
I'm not too impressed generally by "collector status" of a
guitar--it's the sound and feel that are more important to me. I once
sat in a room full of high-end factory made guitars (Martins and
Taylors, mostly, IIRC) at Meridian Music in Indianapolis. Took 'em
down off the wall, and played 'em, one by one. Not a one of them
(including a Martin D-45) that I would have traded my '85 Guild D16-M
for. Money ain't the issue--it's the sound and the feel.
IMNSHO.
I hope you make it to TX-5, Larry (hell, I hope I do...). I'd love to
meet you, and drool on your Guild...even if I couldn't afford to buy
it, which I know I can't.
That's one of the big problems with these Gatherings...all the
incredible guitars you can play...and get hooked on...but not afford.
Did I mention the presence of Alan Dunwell, Jamie Kinscherff, and
Kathy Wingert at these Gatherings? Oh, man, you'll have GAS by the
time you're done...
Bill (GASsing again) Chandler
Bill Chandler
brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
>
Mike--It always seems that the good stuff shows up when I'm broke.
(And that is a pretty common state of affairs, too...)
Not a big fan of sunbursts, but those D-50's are just sweet guitars.
Wish I coulda gotten her from you...
Bill Chandler
madgamer
I really love that is undergoing MAJOR repair ($600-$800). I can tell
you the Baxendale sounds,plays and looks great but then so do guitars
costing $4000-$6000 less. Was it worth it to have a one of a
kind....only time will tell.
Larry
madgamer
Remember that the quality of my Guild D50 is just ONE MANS opinion. It
might be a P.I.S. in reality.:-).
Larry
Mat777rix
I have a Guild D-30 maple that's awesome..so much so.that i sold my first
acoustic a Martin J40m, and that guitar was no slouch! my .02 cents. matt
JD
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Good thing you didn't go in there when they had a roomfull of Webbers. The
burbs of Indy was the *last* place I expected to find a Webber much less 6
of them.
JD
madgamer
Larry
Bill Chandler
brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
<snip>
>Good thing you didn't go in there when they had a roomfull of Webbers. The
>burbs of Indy was the *last* place I expected to find a Webber much less 6
>of them.
Kinda glad I missed that. GAS pains get so expensive...
Bill (ok, so I'm NOT glad I missed it...) Chandler
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Mat777rix
>Is it the one with maple back and sides and a jumbo shape?
>Larry
>
Larry, you are thinking of the Guild J30.. my D30 is dreadnought shaped
w/arched maple back...
matt
madgamer
......Sure you do! I saw a D30 advertised on ebay but it was right
after I bought my Guild D50 so I had no money. If I ever sell the D50 I
would love to get one like yours if I could find one.. Well I guess I
can dream..thanks for the info.
Larry
Mat777rix
>From: madgamer
>If you ever want to sell
>......Sure you do! I saw a D30 advertised on ebay but it was right
>after I bought my Guild D50 so I had no money. If I ever sell the D50 I
>would love to get one like yours if I could find one.. Well I guess I
>can dream..thanks for the info.
>Larry
>
Larry, why don't you list your d50 on Ebay..never know..it might sell..
matt
madgamer
takes me up on it I am not sure if I WILL sell it :-)
Larry