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Comparable guitars to Martin 000C-16GTE

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pcma...@comcast.net

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Jan 18, 2005, 10:56:51 AM1/18/05
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Hi, I am in the early market (means I am looking and have not yet
convinced my wife that I really need it) for a 000C-16GTE or similar.

I have only played one of these, briefly, and want to compare it to
others of similar body style and price.

I play acoustic blues and slide blues.

Do you have any suggestions? (As if I didn't know the answer to that!)
As always, thanks in advance.
Paul

KenS

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Jan 18, 2005, 11:16:03 AM1/18/05
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I would certainly check out the Larrivee OM-05 (or the OM-09 if you
prefer rosewood). The workmanship is much nicer than the 000-16 series
(wood bindings, ebony fretboard and bridge). I was a big fan of
Martin's 16 series, but they lost me when they started using Micarta
for their fretboards and bridges. Hell, even the 15 series uses
rosewood. At any rate, the Larrivees are a much higher quality guitar
at this price point. They do have a different sound - some prefer it
and some don't. But if you are really stuck on getting a Martin 000
with a spruce top, I would try to find a used 000-18.

Since you are interested in blues and slide, you might also check out
some of the small-bodied Gibsons for comparison. You might have a hard
time getting a decent one, but you might find them suited to what you
play. For that matter, I think the Martin 000-15, 000-15S, 00-15, and
0015S are excellent for acoustic blues. I have a 000-15S which I use
for slide and it is great. Because of the Micarta thing, I wouldn't
touch one of the Martin 16's or 17's. Just my opinion, though - I am
something of a tradionalist in that I like a wodden guitar to be made
from wood.

Ken S.

Mitch

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Jan 18, 2005, 11:43:15 AM1/18/05
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Haven't played this model, but along those lines I would try to find an
OMC-15E. The price is right, and they are schweet!


falkn...@yahoo.com

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Jan 18, 2005, 2:04:51 PM1/18/05
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Paul,

Check out the Epiphone Masterbilt series. They have an OM size guitar
- I forget the model number, all solid rosewood/spruce (satin finish)
w/ ebony fingerboard, 1.75" nut, and the ones I've played had a lot of
tone and mojo. Street price well under a grand.

Mike Falkner

Tony Done

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Jan 18, 2005, 2:38:06 PM1/18/05
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I play traditional slide and acoustic blues, and I think that the Martin
000-15S is better for these styles than the 000-16. Other related
possibilities are 00-15, 000-15, 000-17S. The last one is very nice, if you
can find one. I actually play a D-16GT at gigs, and mostly a prewar Gibson
L-00 at home.

Re electrics, I personally would not buy an electrified guitar - I prefer
DIY. The setup I use is a PUTW #27, plus a soundhole mag, through an
outboard preamp/mixer. This is a bit more expensive, but it avoids having a
hole in the side of the guitar, I can mix and match components and I can
move it to another guitar if need be.

Tony D

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Tony Done

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Jan 18, 2005, 5:20:55 PM1/18/05
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I think the 000-18 is a nice guitar for that style. I agree that the micarta
is a turn-off for anyone playing a traditional style of music. - My D-16 is
from the "brown ebony" period, and is developing an interesting "reverse
sunburst", where the colour from the bridge is bleeding into the top.

Tony D

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Brian

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Jan 18, 2005, 8:35:01 PM1/18/05
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Mitch wrote:
> Haven't played this model, but along those lines I would try to find an
> OMC-15E. The price is right, and they are schweet!
>
>
A friend has the OMC-15E, love that guitar, deep rich wood and tone,
and a great fretboard. Just over a grand for it, a very fine axe.

Brian

MBarnett

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Jan 18, 2005, 10:03:25 PM1/18/05
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"KenS" <ksar...@uwf.edu> wrote:

> I would certainly check out the Larrivee OM-05 (or the OM-09 if you
> prefer rosewood). The workmanship is much nicer than the 000-16 series
> (wood bindings, ebony fretboard and bridge). I was a big fan of
> Martin's 16 series, but they lost me when they started using Micarta
> for their fretboards and bridges.

[Snip]

An older 000C-16 (no accompanying suffix) is a wonderful guitar. I had one I
bought new in '92 from Elderly Instruments. It was a thing of beauty, and one
of the top 2 best-sounding guitars I've ever played. Had to sell it, though, as
the neck just got to be too much for my aging left hand. :-(

Monte

Misifus

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Jan 18, 2005, 11:42:24 PM1/18/05
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pcma...@comcast.net wrote:


The Taylor 314CE would probably be a bit more, but you ought to
try one.

-Raf

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Mike brown

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Jan 19, 2005, 4:37:24 AM1/19/05
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In article <1106064963.4...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "KenS"
<ksar...@uwf.edu> wrote:


I think that the Micarta thing is not important IF YOU LIKE THE SOUND AND
THE FEEL OF THE GUITAR.

Having shouted that at you.

I also think that the Martin 000-15 is a good choice for your needs, an
amazingly versatile instrument which sounds good strummed, flatpicked, or
fingerpicked.

MJRB

KenS

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Jan 19, 2005, 9:21:20 AM1/19/05
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Well, I understand your point - but I still think build quality,
materials, and aesthetics play a role. When you can find a great
sounding guitar (that is also built well from quality materials) as
easily as you can these days, I don't see any excuse for settling for
less.

You are right - the Micarta thing may not be such a big deal. But it
would stick out like a sore thumb to me - and I would probably never be
able to "bond" with that guitar for that reason.

The 000-15 is a superb instrument - especially for the price. If you
don't need the extra two frets, the 000-15S is even better to my ears.

pcma...@comcast.net

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Jan 19, 2005, 9:39:54 AM1/19/05
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Thanks, this is exactly the type of thread I was hoping for. I also
do not need the electrioniics pre-intsalled and certainly see the value
in going after-market. A couple of follow-up questions:

Does the 000-15 come in a cutaway? What is the price?
What is best price I could hope to find on the Larivee OMV-05 and the
Taylor 314CE?

Thanks in advance
Paul

Misifus

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Jan 19, 2005, 9:54:40 AM1/19/05
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pcma...@comcast.net wrote:


I suspect you will only find the 000-15 with both cutaway and
electronics, actually an OMC-15E. The Taylor, likewise comes
with both cutaway and electronics, or neither. The Taylor will
probably run in the range of $1300, and a OMC-15E Martin, Just
under a thousand.

For what it's worth, the prime difference between a 000-15 and an
OM-15 would be that the 000 has a 1-11/16 nut and the OM has a
1-3/4 in nut. The Taylor would have a 1-3/4 in nut.

KenS

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Jan 19, 2005, 11:56:26 AM1/19/05
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The OMV-05 can be had for 1500-1600. I'm not sure whether it is proper
to recommend dealers here, but if you email me I can give you some
places to call (ksar...@uwf.edu).

I don't see any 15 series models with cutaways - you can get
electronics but I would rather have that done on my own anyway.

The $1500 may be a bit more than you are looking to spend, but it has
been my experience that it is the most cost effective route to go ahead
get what you want. ;)

Ken S.

Mike brown

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Jan 20, 2005, 6:11:42 AM1/20/05
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In article <1106145594....@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"pcma...@comcast.net" <pcma...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks, this is exactly the type of thread I was hoping for. I also
> do not need the electrioniics pre-intsalled and certainly see the value
> in going after-market. A couple of follow-up questions:
>
> Does the 000-15 come in a cutaway?

No.

> What is the price?

Someone in the US will have to answer that.

> What is best price I could hope to find on the Larivee OMV-05 and the
> Taylor 314CE?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Paul

MJRB

Mike brown

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Jan 20, 2005, 6:13:15 AM1/20/05
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In article <QwuHd.19199$ph.3762@okepread01>, Misifus <raf_s...@cox.net>
wrote:


Yes, I think that the OM is better as a pure fingerpicker, but isn't quite
as versatile as the 000.

MJRB

Misifus

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Jan 20, 2005, 5:47:55 PM1/20/05
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Mike brown wrote:


At one time, there were several differences between the two, but
today it's pretty much just the nut width. If one is comparing
it with other guitars, the fact that the Taylor also uses a 1-3/4
in nut helps put that in perspective.

pcma...@comcast.net

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Jan 24, 2005, 9:13:58 PM1/24/05
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I played a Taylor 314CE and a Larive OMV-03, both with electronics. I
really liked them both but did not spend a great deal of time with
either of them. Any thoughts on the relative merits of either of
these.

The Taylor was about $400 more. Also what are the difference between
the Larivee OMV-03 and 05.

Again, thanks in advance,
Paul

don hindenach

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Jan 24, 2005, 10:13:50 PM1/24/05
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Martin, Taylor, and Larrivee are all fine companies. All three
companies (and many others) make meritorious guitars, The relative
merit is up to you, as you are the buyer. Happy choosing.

My professional opinion about acoustic guitar electronics is that you
are far better to purchase the guitar for the acoustic sounds, and then
add after-market pickups for the plugged-in sound. Others, of course,
will disagree. Pick a path, enjoy the walk.

The difference between a Larrivee -03 and an -05 guitar is that the -05
is shinier. Shinier costs more (ooohhhhh! pretty lights. . . . . . . .
)

--
-don hindenach-
donh at audiosys dot com

hg

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Jan 25, 2005, 12:39:18 PM1/25/05
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According to Taylor's website, the back and sides are sapele. Now I don't
really know what kind of wood that is, but I have been seeing it alot from
different manufacturers. Taylor makes fine guitars. I'm not a big fan of
their sound so I don't own any.

The Larrivee has mahaony back and sides. I have an OM-05 and am very
pleased with it. Sound is great and playing action was perfect from the
start. The 03 is satin and the 05 is gloss. Also, I believe the 03 is made
in Canada and the 05 and above is made in USA.

Since you are looking at guitars with factory pick-up, I'm assuming you are
planning on plugging in. I have heard that satin can cause unwanted noise
when brushed against your clothing while playing. I don't know since the
two guitars I have with pick-ups are both gloss.

There are several reputable online Larrivee dealers that can give you a
great price. I've dealt with guitaradoptions.com on three occasions and can
only say good things about Dave. Two others I believe are andysguitars.com
and notableguitars.com. I'm not sure of their spellings. Check out
http://www.larriveeforum.com./

Hope this helps.

Mike

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